
I’ve always been fascinated by the thermocouple and its ability to generate electricity from heat. I’ve often wondered if we could put millions of thermocouples into places where heat is a byproduct of some other operation and capture it as electricity. That may soon happen.
From light.sci-toys.com: In 1821, physicist Thomas Johan Seebeck discovered an interesting effect when he heated a junction of two different metals. He found that they generated an electric current. Actually, he thought it was a magnetic effect, because what he had noticed was that a compass needle was deflected as the current flowed through the wire.
Today, we call the thermoelectric effect he discovered by his name — the Seebeck effect. He must have had a very sensitive compass, because the currents that are generated are very small. Unless the wires are formed into a coil around the compass, to increase the magnetism of the current carrying wire, it would be difficult to notice any movement.
But a modern voltmeter is sensitive enough to show the effect, as shown in the photo. Now that concept has literally taken a quantum leap.
From University of Arizona News – Quantum physicists turn waste heat into power

University of Arizona physicists have discovered a new way of harvesting waste heat and turning it into electrical power. Taking advantage of quantum effects, the technology holds great promise for making cars, power plants, factories and solar panels more efficient.
What do a car engine, a power plant, a factory and a solar panel have in common? They all generate heat – a lot of which is wasted.
University of Arizona physicists have discovered a new way of harvesting waste heat and turning it into electrical power.
Using a theoretical model of a so-called molecular thermoelectric device, the technology holds great promise for making cars, power plants, factories and solar panels more efficient, to name a few possible applications. In addition, more efficient thermoelectric materials would make ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, obsolete.
The research group led by Charles Stafford, associate professor of physics, published its findings in the September issue of the scientific journal, ACS Nano.
“Thermoelectricity makes it possible to cleanly convert heat directly into electrical energy in a device with no moving parts,” said lead author Justin Bergfield, a doctoral candidate in the UA College of Optical Sciences.
“Our colleagues in the field tell us they are pretty confident that the devices we have designed on the computer can be built with the characteristics that we see in our simulations.”
“We anticipate the thermoelectric voltage using our design to be about 100 times larger than what others have achieved in the lab,” Stafford added.
Catching the energy lost through waste heat has been on the wish list of engineers for a long time but, so far, a concept for replacing existing devices that is both more efficient and economically competitive has been lacking.
Unlike existing heat-conversion devices such as refrigerators and steam turbines, the devices of Bergfield and Stafford require no mechanics and no ozone-depleting chemicals. Instead, a rubber-like polymer sandwiched between two metals acting as electrodes can do the trick.
Car or factory exhaust pipes could be coated with the material, less than 1 millionth of an inch thick, to harvest energy otherwise lost as heat and generate electricity.
The physicists take advantage of the laws of quantum physics, a realm not typically tapped into when engineering power-generating technology. To the uninitiated, the laws of quantum physics appear to fly in the face of how things are “supposed” to behave.
The key to the technology lies in a quantum law physicists call wave-particle duality: Tiny objects such as electrons can behave either as a wave or as a particle.
“In a sense, an electron is like a red sports car,” Bergfield said. “The sports car is both a car and it’s red, just as the electron is both a particle and a wave. The two are properties of the same thing. Electrons are just less obvious to us than sports cars.”
Bergfield and Stafford discovered the potential for converting heat into electricity when they studied polyphenyl ethers, molecules that spontaneously aggregate into polymers, long chains of repeating units. The backbone of each polyphenyl ether molecule consists of a chain of benzene rings, which in turn are built from carbon atoms. The chain link structure of each molecule acts as a “molecular wire” through which electrons can travel.
“We had both worked with these molecules before and thought about using them for a thermoelectric device,” Bergfield said, “but we hadn’t really found anything special about them until Michelle Solis, an undergrad who worked on independent study in the lab, discovered that, low and behold, these things had a special feature.”
Using computer simulations, Bergfield then “grew” a forest of molecules sandwiched between two electrodes and exposed the array to a simulated heat source.
“As you increase the number of benzene rings in each molecule, you increase the power generated,” Bergfield said.
The secret to the molecules’ capability to turn heat into power lies in their structure: Like water reaching a fork in a river, the flow of electrons along the molecule is split in two once it encounters a benzene ring, with one flow of electrons following along each arm of the ring.
Bergfield designed the benzene ring circuit in such a way that in one path the electron is forced to travel a longer distance around the ring than the other. This causes the two electron waves to be out of phase once they reunite upon reaching the far side of the benzene ring. When the waves meet, they cancel each other out in a process known as quantum interference. When a temperature difference is placed across the circuit, this interruption in the flow of electric charge leads to the buildup of an electric potential – voltage – between the two electrodes.
Wave interference is a concept exploited by noise-cancelling headphones: Incoming sound waves are met with counter waves generated by the device, wiping out the offending noise.
“We are the first to harness the wave nature of the electron and develop a concept to turn it into usable energy,” Stafford said.
Analogous to solid state versus spinning hard drive type computer memory, the UA-designed thermoelectric devices require no moving parts. By design, they are self-contained, easier to manufacture and easier to maintain compared to currently available technology.
“You could just take a pair of metal electrodes and paint them with a single layer of these molecules,” Bergfield said. “That would give you a little sandwich that would act as your thermoelectric device. With a solid-state device you don’t need cooling agents, you don’t need liquid nitrogen shipments, and you don’t need to do a lot of maintenance.”
“You could say, instead of Freon gas, we use electron gas,” Stafford added.
“The effects we see are not unique to the molecules we used in our simulation,” Bergfield said. “Any quantum-scale device where you have a cancellation of electric charge will do the trick, as long as there is a temperature difference. The greater the temperature difference, the more power you can generate.”
Molecular thermoelectric devices could help solve an issue currently plaguing photovoltaic cells harvesting energy from sunlight.
“Solar panels get very hot and their efficiency goes down,” Stafford said. “You could harvest some of that heat and use it to generate additional electricity while simultaneously cooling the panel and making its own photovoltaic process more efficient.”
“With a very efficient thermoelectric device based on our design, you could power about 200 100-Watt light bulbs using the waste heat of an automobile,” he said. “Put another way, one could increase the car’s efficiency by well over 25 percent, which would be ideal for a hybrid since it already uses an electrical motor.”
So, next time you watch a red sports car zip by, think of the hidden power of the electron and how much more efficient that sports car could be with a thermoelectric device wrapped around its exhaust pipe.
Reference: Giant Thermoelectric Effect from Transmission Supernodes. Justin Bergfield, Michelle Solis, and Charles Stafford. ACS Nano Sept. 2010.
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Whoa, this is a computer simulation. They haven’t actually built this device!
In other words, it is a Computer Model! While I hope they have success, we know how reliable computer simulations are.
REPLY: Think of it like Autocad for molecular structures – Anthony
Nice. Could we power all of The Goreacle’s mansions from his own hot air?
“I’ve often wondered if we could put millions of thermocouples into places where heat is a byproduct of some other operation and capture it as electricity. That may soon happen.”
Has happened.
I was looking into this a while ago to use the waste heat from some computers to drive plenum fans to remove the heat from where my commuters are running and distribute it into the rest of the house during the winter (they have AC in their room for the summer)
I heat the house with an electronically controlled very high efficiency recycled wood pellet stove (www.harmanstoves.com). So I also looked into using the TEG to provide the 3 amps it takes to run the pellet stove exhaust blower, heat distribution blower, auger motor and electronics, but the cost for 400 watts was a bit much. If the price comes down, I’m in.
http://www.tegpower.com/products.html
“Universal TEG Battery Charger
Model: UTEGEC
Retail Price: $139.99
Shipping: $9.00
Delivery Time: 1 to 2 weeks.”
“Wood stove TEGs are no longer available for purchase directly from this website, however you can purchase them locally.”
Note: I am not affiliated with these company in any way.
I suspect some of the claimed theoretical efficiency will be lost in translation from computer design to hardware reality, but it sounds good anyway.
I’ve been using 4 peltier cpu cooling units (3.5 oz) to recharge small batteries on winter backpacking trips by putting them over my home made titanium woodstove (3 oz) and sitting a pan of cold water on top to cool the opposite sides.
That is just awesome.
See what happens when the power of science is utilised for GOOD, as opposed to EVIL?
Andrew 30, how far do your commuters run, and where are they running to?
I always found that putting commuters on a hampster wheel was most unsatisfactory, as the commuters went around in circles, and didn’t actually go anywhere, and thus became disenchanted – not to mention not being “commuters” any more, because they did not in fact commute anywhere.
Have you solved the secret, and harnessed the power of your commuters on a distance-running treadmill? I am impressed that you thought to aircondition their room in summer, but surely this uses more energy than can be generated?
The only question I would ask about that technology is how you create a ‘wire’ if the benzene ring side chains in the wire backbone are at positions 1 and 3 – it’d take some pretty controlled steric reactions to make it straight……….
But a really fascinating article, nonetheless……………
I believe the Russians use TEG’s to operate gas pipeline valves in remote locations. They use some of the gas from the pipeline to generate the heat required for the Thermo Electric Generators. Not very efficient but a lot cheaper than running power cables to out of the way places. It’s specialist applications in specific situations like that where the technology is currently viable.
Nice stuff. Not built yet, though. Let’s see what real problems come up when they try to fabricate it, and then fabricate it economically.
I also find this comment a little worrying: “With a very efficient thermoelectric device based on our design…” They may mean that their design is already very efficient. But it’s easy to read as weasel words.
“Using the waste heat from an automobile they could power an electric lightbulb.”
Waste heat from automobile has got to be around 10kw …. provides 100W of energy. Wow! This is going to change the world! (Not)
It’s an old idea, my grandfather had a thermo thingy which was heated on the stove producing electrical current to run the wireless.
Umm…. if convertible into actual technology, this could be very good news.
But I’m a bit suspicious about anything that is only done ‘in theory’. Theories are only any good when verified by experiment..or in this case building the b…y thing.
I’m also a bit suspicious of their explanation of getting the electrons to go two different ways around a benzene ring…years ago the accepted concept was that the symmetrical and joined structure of benzene encouraged ‘resonance’ in the electron wave…whereby they were all simultaneously spread across the whole molecule. With this (admittedly primitive) concept, there is no possibility for electrons to go one way or another. Maybe the ideas have moved on…quantum mechanics is notoriously difficult to explain using model sbaed on everyday experience. But that one doesn’t ‘feel’ right to me.
So overall a slightly qualified welcome so far… great that it was an undergraduate who discovered the effect. Just shows that it is not only the trained and tenured professionals that can do real science. Any ‘resonances’ to any other fields there?
marcus25 says: (September 29, 2010 at 12:54 am) It’s an old idea, my grandfather had a thermo thingy which was heated on the stove producing electrical current to run the wireless.
Would really like to hear more on that, Marcus.
From the story: …the devices of Bergfield and Stafford require no mechanics and no ozone-depleting chemicals.
Think they could have managed to at least hint there would be less, or a net loss of, CO2 as well…
Roger Carr
probably worked on the same principle as these
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From reading “The Field” and thinking about all the brilliant scientists this book writes about, I have the strong impression that the aspect of Quantum
MechanicsPhysics called the “Zero Point Field” has huge potential for exploration, to help our energy requirements as well as other things – but is still seen as off-topic or “flat-earthist” by those guarding conventional science.What I love here is the delight in new ideas and lots of views, and the humanity of courtesy, all of which creates such a fertile environment for exploration – unlike the paradigm of cutthroat / paywalls / non-debate / alarmism / obfuscating elitism / power-grabbing politicization / that’s come to a head with the IPCC, Mann’s hockey stick, and Climate Science generally, which will surely slowly throttle itself.
Thanks for another interesting lead.
Nice, but I want a generator to tap into ZPF. And modify gravity as well.
So
ps: The Pioneer and Voyager probes are still working!!
Sorry mods. accidental posting.
What I mean is:
So I can have a trip with the Milleneum Falcon to the stars, and the toilet working the right way…. 🙂
This is new? Thirty years ago I was humping bloody great propane cylinders up mountains to power thermal generators for battery chargers to run navigation beacons. Does time run more slowly in Arizona?
@Ross Jackson says:
September 28, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Whoa, this is a computer simulation. They haven’t actually built this device!
In other words, it is a Computer Model! While I hope they have success, we know how reliable computer simulations are.
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These scientists aren’t trying to change government policy based on their computer models though. Nor are they claiming that this proves anyhting.
They have created a computer simulation to see if the theory has any merit and will then see if it works in practice.
Marcus — thanks for the URL to the TEG 5000 — Thermo Electric Generator
Hope they go from theory to lab device to prototype then to large scale manufacturing without too many issues. One issue is how rusting can be accelerated when disparate metals contact each other. It’s long road, so to speak.
Until they grasp the simple fact that particles are purely tangential points on waves, they will continue saying they are both particles and waves, whilst wondering why they are making such slow progress.
The nature of the particle depends upon the perspective relative to the universe and its frequency. The universe consists not of matter or missing matter or dark energy but information transmitted in waves and simply defined by a system of interlock co-ordinates.
Dont ask for a link, I am trying to develop the theory into a working model (snip) sorry about the rude word, emm a working hypothesis
Ferric patella!
@Kaboom, before you poke fun at someone else’s typos (although your gags were funny), be sure you’re spelling hamster correctly.
Bit silly giving the game away when it has not been built yet.
I hope they have comprehensive patents on it……
Thermocouples is also one way electrical power is generated by an Atomic Battery for use in space probes.