
By charles the moderator
I have no other comment.
From congress.org
Global Warming could make Humans EXTINCT within 50 years
Kill mechanisms list
Global Warming could make the human race EXTINCT. The #1 kill mechanism is famine. See “The Long Summer” by Brian Fagan and “Collapse” by Jared Diamond. Shifting winds and warmer oceans have already created a weird moving checkerboard of drought and flood that has interfered with agriculture here and elsewhere.
The extra heat has caused heat related deaths already.
The book “Six Degrees” by Mark Lynas says: “If the global warming is 6 degrees centigrade, we humans go extinct.” The book lists several kill mechanisms, the most important being famine and methane fuel-air explosions. Other mechanisms include fire storms.
“Under a Green Sky” by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007 says H2S bubbling out of hot oceans is the final blow at 6 degrees C warming.
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read the rest at congress.org
“Per “Climate Code Red”, we need ZERO “Kyoto gas” emissions RIGHT NOW and we also need geo-engineering because we have already gone way beyond the safe CO2 level of 300 to 325 ppm. We are already at 455 ppm equivalent [including greenhouse gasses other than CO2]” – edwardgreisch
Stating that our CO2 max tolerance is 325 ppm and then exaggerating present day CO2 concentration by lumping it in with other “greenhouse” gases is just plane deceitful.
Hmm, not as bad as “Half of American Babies are below Average Weight!” but bad enough.
The extinction of a species promotes always the expansion of the biodiversity; so… what’s the problem? Were not they in support of “Gaia” methods of shifting? 🙂
Why is watching stupidity so fascinating?
To Mark Lynas: The peak of the Eemian interglacial was almost 6°C warmer than now. It just so happened that at that time archaeologists find the very first possibilities of human culture. Ice ages didn’t evolve culture; extremely warm interglacials did.
To Fagan: The Little Ice Age killed off a third of the entire European population due to famine. During the 1990s “warmest decade” cited by so many alarmists, more people were born and survived the decade than died during the two plus centuries at the depth of the Little Ice Age.
RomanM says:
June 29, 2010 at 6:38 am
“Fortunately for us, Mr. Greisch is already working on ideas to avoid the catastrophe, At this site (bottom of the page):”
[Gresch]“Cover the ice free Arctic Ocean and melted tundra peat bog lakes with white or aluminum coated ping pong balls.”
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I don’t know about anyone else here but I’m going to look into investing in ping pong ball manufacturers stock. They will need a lot of ping pong balls.
Where do they go from here? Extinct in 25 years?
“Global Warming could make the human race EXTINCT. The #1 kill mechanism is famine.”
The kill mechanism of famine is brought about by tying up arable land with biofuels, subsidies not to grow food, replanting with native species (Fairtrade, coffee growers), installing wetlands with tax money, raising costs of energy and transport through “renewable” power, and banning important agricultural products such as pesticides and fertilizers, along with gov’t meddling in water use based on their scare models.
We can all manage a year or two of drought. But it is the “violence of well-intentioned governments” that changes dearth into famine.
Swarm – The War on Global Warming
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2010/jun/21/copenhagen-climate-change
Coalition of the Willing: Post-Copenhagen animation
Where do we go after last year’s failed Copenhagen climate change conference?
Coalition of the Willing is an animated film that attempts to answer that question, and the Guardian can exclusively show the video prior to its official launch tomorrow. The film was made by Knife Party Productions, a 24-person animation global collective helmed by Simon Robson.
Sponsored features: Win an LG LED TV … and home cinema system
Well, the following comment has been posted by Dr. Giovanni Macchia
The Climate Summit, Regional Coordinator, EU on Louise Gray’s “Michael Mann says hockey stick should not have become ‘climate change icon’ article:-
giovannimacchia
1 hour ago
The global warming is a reality. As a physicist, I trust only in the measurements, in the theoretical models and in the logic , of course. The temperature increases is shown at the following address http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ : the data are taken from a worldwide network of metereological station since the 1870: as you can see it is unprecedent in the last 30 years. I am speaking on the global temperature, not on the local one. However, you can see that the global temperature increases both in NH and SH.
The increase of the mean sea level was observed also from satellites and is shown here http://sealevel.colorado.edu/: the GIA effect is considered equal only to around 0.3 mm/year. The data are a mean, of course: different sea level can not contradict that value and, indeed, are measured: as you can see here http://sealevel.colorado.edu/maps.php :the 12 mm/year of seal level increase near the pacific islands is a real nigthmare for me.
Other evidences of other climate changes effects on sea ice and glaciers are here: http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html and http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html. All the data are available for reproducibility (myself did it). The non anthropogenic forces (both external and terrestrial) are oscillatories (sun-spot, solar irradiance and the ocean oscillatory related phenomena, like the AMO) and, therefore, they can not justify the trends in the global temperature. Therefore, the effect is anthropogenic.
Dr. Giovanni Macchia
The Climate Summit
Regional Coordinator, EU
So there you go, easy ain’t it? The EU Regional Coordinator says so. Mind blowing, so very simple, I do trust that Giovanni’s nightmares abate soon, he really should get a good night’s sleep in order to coordinate. My view is that Giovanni should find himself his own summit to be on. The tide has turned and it is coming in fast, and it ain’t nothing to do with sea level.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7849441/Michael-Mann-says-hockey-stick-should-not-have-become-climate-change-icon.html#disqus_thread
Biggest load of cobblers I’ve ever read!
Even the most rabid CAGW proponent must be squirming with embarrassment that this drivel has been published. The religion of man-made climate warming is even nuttier than I thought – cargo cult science at its best… :-))
Interesting how the same people who believe that a 0.0001 change in CO2 concentration will make earth uninhabitable, also believe that we can make Mars (0.95 CO2 concentration) habitable.
Some people are complete morons.
tallbloke said on June 29, 2010 at 6:58 am:
Well that’s just stupid. Everyone knows it’s the Polonium-210 in tobacco that’s the real problem.
NY Times
Scinece Magazine
Mayo Clinic paper
Just Google for “polonium in cigarettes” which is also a “frequently searched for” Google suggestion.
As read about on this helpful scientific site:
Hmm, I wonder if one can get “organic” tobacco grown without these dangerous phosphate fertilizers.
The “rebuttal” is found in the Independent’s (UK) reporting of the Mayo paper in 2008:
Would that be strawberries that were grown with those dangerous phosphate fertilizers?
Algae blooms, water contamination, and now radiation poisoning… Who knew phosphate fertilizers could be this deadly? Why, get rid of them and practically no one will die from cigarette smoke-related cancers. Just imagine how many other cancers we could practically eliminate!
Paging Gail Combs et al…
Newsflash! Global Warming stole my car keys sometime between 11pm and 6am on June 28-29!
Gail Combs says:
June 29, 2010 at 5:53 am
Ric Werme says:
June 29, 2010 at 5:11 am
My 100th birthday will be in October 2050. Hope they mean the end of the year, I’d hate to miss my party. I’ll see if can age quicker to have the party a few years earlier.
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Maybe we can have that birthday party together. mine is the tail end of September.
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Perhaps we should go for a year long party, mine’s in August.
I think the warmists have finally jumped the shark.
The difference between min and max in Ipswich outside Brisbane was 20 degrees Celsius today….. They all must be dead then!
Oh no, its worse than we thought. only 40 Super Bowls left and they will ban CO2 from the beer!
“Can we please move on from apocalyptic doomsday scenarios? These conversations never go anywhere and everyone is very clear about how you feel on this issue. – gavin”
Quote of the week?
“Gladys, according to this web site we’re doomed.”
“Again?”
“Yup. Gosh, it all seems so…futile. Maybe I shouldn’t–”
“Oh no, you’re still putting the trash out, Gavin!”
(sigh) “Yes, dear.”
I’m betting in all their approaches to compensate for “global warming”, they’ll eventually execute something that tips the earth into the next Ice Age. Then we’ll all be cooling our heels without benefit of CO2-producing heat sources. It will demonstrate what happens with zealous adherence to an illogical cult and will make their hysterical claims of total human annihilation come true. What complete and absolute jerks!
So… I guess we’ll survive past 2012 then? This is good news 😉
Day of the Triffids was a very good science fiction book although they totally trashed the story in the movie attempt.
Perhaps the author of this could get some practice at breathing with higher amounts of CO2 by putting a paper bag over his head, like they make you do when hyper-ventalating. This would solve a couple of problems for us here: It would calm the guy down by getting his CO2 levels adjusted (does he know he exhales CO2?) and we would not have to worry about actually seeing what he may look like.
Is the Armageddon Point 6°C above the current temperature… Or is it 6°C above the pre-industrial era temperature?
The current average global temperature is round 15°C. Throughout most of the Phanerozoic the average global temperature was round 22°C. Temperatures did spike up a bit higher at the Permian & K-T extinctions… So… {Sarcasm Mode On}I think we have at least 8°C to go before we start boiling the H2S out of the oceans. {Sarcasm Mode Off}
Phanerozoic Temp v CO2
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
June 29, 2010 at 9:17 am
210 Po is one of my favorite isotopes, having spent many hours in photographic darkrooms (do a Google search for Staticmaster if you’d like your own miniscule sample).
I have a bit of an issue with “As radon decays, its electrically charged daughter products attach themselves to dust particles, which adhere to the sticky hairs on the underside of tobacco leaves.” See the decay chain listed at http://www.wise-uranium.org/rup.html – Radon 222 decays quickly into Lead 210, which has a half life of 22.26 years. This means that by the time someone smokes one of those coffin nails, only a very small amount of Pb-210 will have decayed into Polonium 210. PB-210 (and Bi-210) emit beta rays before becoming Po-210 which emits an alpha particle. The alpha has much greater energy than the beta rays, that’s likely why it’s called out above.
There’s a lot I don’t know about this, but if lead sticks to lung tissues, and polonium is dissolves, then perhaps lung tissue is more impacted by beta decays. The article also mentioned stomach ulcers. While the Curies and contemporaries had problems with skin ulcers, stomach ulcers have since been blamed on H. pylori bacteria, which does not appear in the Radon decay chain.
Maybe I should go find some alternative sources.
Joe Lalonde says:
June 29, 2010 at 3:24 am
Peer Approved, so it must be 100% accurate.
I’m hoping that was tongue in cheek humor Joe.