By charles the moderator
I have no other comment.
From congress.org
Global Warming could make Humans EXTINCT within 50 years
Kill mechanisms list
Global Warming could make the human race EXTINCT. The #1 kill mechanism is famine. See “The Long Summer” by Brian Fagan and “Collapse” by Jared Diamond. Shifting winds and warmer oceans have already created a weird moving checkerboard of drought and flood that has interfered with agriculture here and elsewhere.
The extra heat has caused heat related deaths already.
The book “Six Degrees” by Mark Lynas says: “If the global warming is 6 degrees centigrade, we humans go extinct.” The book lists several kill mechanisms, the most important being famine and methane fuel-air explosions. Other mechanisms include fire storms.
“Under a Green Sky” by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007 says H2S bubbling out of hot oceans is the final blow at 6 degrees C warming.
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read the rest at congress.org
Have patience with Edward Greisch. This i found on RealClimate, from 22 May 2010:
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Edward Greisch says:
22 May 2010 at 12:28 AM
I am looking at the referenced indirectly http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/OC5/3M_HEAT/showfig.pl
which shows 2009 sea surface temperatures. I guess it means that most of the ocean surface temperatures are something like 3.5 degrees C warmer than before. Is that correct? That is a lot.
[Response: Not sure where you get that from- the figure is for data distribution, not temperature. -gavin]
I am impressed that they were able to add up the data and make the calculation. There is a mountain of data, but it seems to be rather difficult to deal with. It seems to be sort of a “fuzzy” data set.”
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/05/ocean-heat-content-increases-update/
Maybe he will learn to read data sometime in the future. No wonder he’s confused.
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, “Whatta maroon!”.
tallbloke says:
June 29, 2010 at 3:32 am
“The extra heat has caused heat related deaths already”
Puhlease. How many compared to cold related deaths last winter?
Kind of what I was wondering.
I live in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. We had the longest time frame without an 80 degree (F) day in the recorded temp history. So far by 6/29/2010 we have only had 2 days over 78(F) and we’ve already broken records for rain fall. Between May and June we got more rain than we usually do in the first 9 months before the really rainy months of September, October, November, and December.
Also I seem to remember while I was in the hospital for 11 days this last December the second longest coldspell without relief of almost 30 days below 32 degrees. It ususally doesn’t get that cold in November/December.
Couldn’t resist. This is what our friendly world surveillance monster knows about Edward Greisch:
“Edward Greisch: Solar Person Biographical Entry
The name “Edward Greisch” has appeared in 1 articles that referenced Solar on 1 different days. The name may have appeared supporting this topic, against it, or in a separate context in the article. This biographical entry simply demarks the name Edward Greisch as having appeared in articles suggesting context with Solar. ”
http://carboncapturereport.com/cgi-bin/biodb?PROJID=5&mode=viewpersonname&name=edward_greisch
Thank you, world surveillance monster.
Well, since we are doomed anyway, might as well just leave work now ; ))
The louder the AGW crowd screams, the more desperate they sound. This is the peak of desperate. The whole AGW thing will probably continue to fade away as real data does not bear out the AGW forecasts.
Did the thought “telephone sanitizers!” cross anybody’s mind? I mean, if they already believe the world is ending, aren’t we half way there already?
The World According To Greisch
Another gem.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/environment/climategate-is-dead-long-live-climategate-
“Edward Greisch 04.15.2010
The fact you need to know to understand Global Warming is this: CO2 is opaque to infrared. Oxygen and nitrogen are transparent to infrared. Water vapor is in between opaque and transparent to infrared [semi-opaque]. Sunlight is mostly visible light. Sunlight warms the ground. The ground radiates infrared. The CO2 prevents the infrared from escaping into space. The Earth heats up.[…]”
That’s what we’re up against. Either people with a VERY limited understanding of all things scientific OR one of the most talented parodists not working for The Onion.
I’m just sayin.
I found out why Greisch believes in H2S to be a problem.
On
http://lifeboat.com/blog/2008/01/oil-surpasses-100-per-barrel
he says:
“[…]Warm oceans can’t dissolve enough oxygen, fish die and are decomposed by sulfur bacteria. The sulfur bacteria will make enough H2S to kill everybody.[…]”
Interesting way of reasoning.
I have the suspicion that Edward Greisch might be the astroturfing alter ego of Peter D. Ward (who has a lot of books for you if you’re interested in all things catastrophic past, present and future)… and while trawling for connections i found a website that mirrors us (and probably every wordpress blog):
http://www.ubervu.com/conversations/wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/29/perhaps-the-stupidest-article-ive-ever-seen/
Are they allowed to do that?
you so called Eco warriors , socialist can’t argue with the real data , hasn’t warmed for the last ten years. fact.
The elitist dream pt up another way to make more money from the poor but you just can’t see it. why don’t you research agenda 21 properly. its the same people who caused famine in Africa & all over the world. For the sake of profit & the in the name of green.
Don’t believe it ! research. Also check out CODEX ALIMENTARIUS lecture by Dr Ian Crane it will blow you away. As from 31/12/2009 everything you eat will be GM food. Thank you for your time.
How did these guys get doctorates? Maybe from that special mail-order program involving five box tops (allow six weeks for delivery!) that I keep looking at every morning.
I am all for free speech, but does there not have to be a limit short of this sort of alarmist drivel?
mister g….your message…it’s like some cryptic telegraphy from the future. And yet I have an odd feeling we’re on the same page…
Humans deserve to be extinct and replaced by something, anything, if they actually believe that 6 degrees and we’re done. On the other hand if it’s actually true I’m sure we can simply change the data presentation, probably using some “trick”, and we’ll be too stupid to figure out that we are extinct and will instead carry on as per usual.
Note to all Librarians: Place the book Six Degrees by Mark Lynas in the Science Fiction section (if you haven’t already).
As for writing your congressperson about this AND using any of this “data”, I wouldn’t put my name on that letter if I were you. You don’t want to be on THAT list!
Here we have a realclimate thread on which we find Edward Greisch and, surprise, a Peter Ward (sans D.) who “works in mass extinctions” as he professes. They don’t interact directly. The books by Peter D. Ward i found are about extinction events. Somebody on the thread says “Nice to see you, Dr. Ward” so he
s a PhD.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/08/friday-round-up/
This Greisch fellow is a self described “independent defense and space professional” who is a proponent of Space Elevators. He is, though, commendably pro-Nuclear and belongs to a group called Environmentalists for Nuclear. Like executives at several major nuclear power companies, he wants to see cap and trade so that the negative externalities of fossil fuel pollution properly balance the cost of energy from fossil fuel so that nuclear is more competitive, which may or may not be commendable depending on your opinion on externality cost accounting.
You clearly don’t understand the real reason this article is balderdash! In fact, we won’t go extinct in 2050, because we’re all going to die in 2012!! December 21, 2012, to be precise.
Sheesh, you’d think you all would have picked up on that by now…
/sarc
googling for the exact phrase “by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D” – this is how Greisch puts it in his posts – yields interesting results. For instance, here is “Asteroid Miner” on a NYT forum, the text looks very much like one from Greisch on a completely different forum.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/on-water-vapor-and-warming/?sort=oldest&offset=2
I think that’s enough proof. Somebody wants to be the next Stephen Jay Gould and is busy plugging his book all around the internet. Notice that these are always Drive-by postings, Greisch/Asteroid Miner never engages in discussions.
He’s not a nutjob. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
When in danger,
when in doubt,
run in circles,
scream and shout!
Everybody: Panic Out!!!
So an ice age or two and climate changer orders of magnitude more massive than anything happening now didn’t do us in, but a bit warmer, about like it was about 5 k to 8k years ago, is going to be our end?
I don’t know what they are smoking, but it’s more potent than anything I’ve ever had…
I would think that in order for the entire human race to become EXTINCT within 50 years….
……..we would have to start right now.
ok, so who’s going to be first?………………… 😉
E.M.Smith says:
June 29, 2010 at 1:45 pm
“[…]
Everybody: Panic Out!!![…]”
When you’re here that can only mean one thing: You’re in cash! Ok boys: PANIC!
Henry Galt says:
June 29, 2010 at 6:04…..
….”The more I investigate “modern” science the more I am beginning to think that there may well be a God and He is jerking us all around by making these proud loonies produce theories that posit the exact reverse of His reality.”
I agree. I always thought this was case in medical/ health research as well. We were told for decades to not eat red meat, fat, butter, and coffee and now those are “health foods” ,
Excerpt from: DirkH on June 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm
WHOIS info:
Seems they provide “Real-time social media analytics” thus they keep track of comments made on the internet, since those are “social interactions” apparently. They are not mirroring, they are showing their tracking in action. The pricing for their service looks cute, $29/month for one official user gets you FIVE searches. Woo-hoo.
Name is registered to an organization in London, yet on the pricing page the contact phone number sure looks like an American (or Canadian?) number. I guess that’s not too weird if they expect primarily American (and Canadian?) customers, and these days a phone number is far from definitive at identifying where the party on the other end of the line is physically at.
Curious. They run their own name server. Generally I think you’d have to be very large or very stupid to do that, since if your site goes down then the internet has a hard time finding you.