Whoo boy. It must be rough out there when CSIRO has to have seminars on how to deal with us rowdy ruffian “deniers”. I’m surprised though, a 15 million budget, and they ask you to bring a sack lunch?
Here’s the text, PDF follows:
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DSE invites members of the Victorian Public Service to a presentation on:
Dealing with climate change denialism with Paul Holper, CSIRO
Popular opinion on climate change often waivers, particularly when the media focus on denialist views and encourage “debates” with climate change scientists.
The Victorian Government, along with other governments in Australia and across the world, rely on the scientific community for advice on climate change and its likely impacts.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.
Paul Holper (CSIRO) will present on ways to approach climate change denialism in a Victorian context.
To register for this event please email: climate.change@dse.vic.gov.au by Friday 11 June 2010
Friday 18 June 2010, 12:00 pm – 1:30 pm (includes question time)
Treasury Theatre, Lower Plaza
1 Macarthur Street, East Melbourne
BYO lunch!
Paul Holper
Paul manages the CSIRO’s involvement in the Australian Climate Change Science Program, a $15 million program supported by the Commonwealth Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency. This program undertakes observations of the atmosphere, oceans and terrestrial systems, as well as climate model development, and projections of Australia’s likely future climate. Paul coordinated the most recent climate change projections for Australia (based on IPCC models), announced by BoM and CSIRO in 2007.
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Here’s the PDF of the poster for this event:
Thanks to David Archibald for the tip.
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Paul Coppin says:
“This rally of alarmists is entirely about taxation.
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The G20 and G8 leaders are so desperate for cash they will promote anything that will force more private wealth into government hands, and by extension, into other, but different, private hands. You are seeing the last gasp of the world’s exchequers scrambling to have the dough when every last euro still won’t be able to buy you a loaf of bread.”
Yes, however the end result isn’t going to be what the powers that be expect.
They are very good about issuing “orders” but not so good at actual work, and survival is work in capital letters.
“RockyRoad says:
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“Homeowners should be compensated if their property is acquired by the government due to sea level rise”
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Wow… how bizarre is that?”
Al Gore smuggled the question into the survey.
Yet in an interview with the Detroit News Monday, Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) – recently appointed to the Senate Energy Committee – made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority.
“Climate change is very real,” she confessed as she embraced cap and trade’s massive tax increase on Michigan industry – at the same time claiming, against all the evidence, that it would not lead to an increase in manufacturing costs or energy prices. “Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes.”
From The Detroit News: http://community.detnews.com/apps/blogs/henrypayneblog/index.php?blogid=2041#ixzz0p9euA8aK
It’s interesting to look a bit over the horizon. Let’s say the West carbon taxes itself. After five years of agony, CO2 will still be rising, and the South and East will still be emitting,by leaps and bounds. Our exemplary influence will have been exposed as empty, and our substantive impact as negligible. Meantime the renewable power sources will be exposed as not performing as well as promised, similar to the situation in Spain.
When blackouts and brownouts cause deaths, the political establishment and the alarmist elite will only be able to say, “It’s the best butter.” Or maybe they’ll try, “It’s a noble experiment.” I.e., they’ll self-destruct, and destroy “movement” environmentalism along with it. Trendy types will have to find another vehicle.
PS: They’ll win and win until they lose.
MikeA: “It is our job to inform people of the risks involved in climate change. We would be negligent in our duty not to do this”
Tis a pity that no one (being paid to do so) is informing people of the economic disaster which is certain to occur because of heavily taxing carbon based fuels and wasting taxpayer money on “alternative energy” schemes which are hugely more expensive (and producing energy only intermittently) than carbon fuels. Not imaginative risks that “might happen” but a certain outcome with this foolhardy “solution” to what is at this present time certainly a total non-problem.
It would be far easier and far less expensive to adapt to whatever climate changes might occur.
“Doing our duty” really sounds familiar to an oldtimer such as I. Unpleasantly so.
The quote “The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.”
Gee, How can you have less credibility than outright liars caught red handed cherry picking results, manipulating the data and ignoring their own rules of conduct?
MikeA says:
May 27, 2010 at 2:46 am
Well I live in Victoria, and I have worked for the government as a contractor; to declare my interest. It is our job to inform people of the risks involved in climate change. We would be negligent in our duty not to do this.
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SO what are you telling people about preparing for the coming ICE AGE?
Given the 1974 CIA report on preparations for the coming Ice Age and the simultaneous “global Warming craze, I sometimes wonder if the whole craze is just a sleight of hand. Is it a deflection of attention while the elite move the earth’s wealth into their hands and towards the equator so THEY and theirs will survive in style in case an Ice Age does happen? Or is it just greed for power?
MikeA says:
May 27, 2010 at 2:46 am
Well I live in Victoria, and I have worked for the government as a contractor; to declare my interest. It is our job to inform people of the risks involved in climate change. We would be negligent in our duty not to do this.
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The climate has always changed so are you going to warn them of the risks of what’s been happening for billions of years? Are you talking about man-made global warming? If yes then you miss the point being made by the sceptics who all they ask is for evidence, proper measurements, lack of bias etc. It’s our duty to tell the public what some of these climate scientists have been up to as well as the fact that what we have seen in the past 30 years of warming is within the bounds of natural climate variability. Your mistake is you assume the climate scientists must be right.
Read these and think again:
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/09/why-i-am-an-anthropogenic-global-warming-sceptic-michael-hammer/
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/why-i-am-global-warming-skeptic
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2009/12/should-you-be-global-warming-skeptic.html
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2009/09/14-reasons-why-anthropogenic-global.html
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Expat in France says:
May 27, 2010 at 2:57 am
The climate change “battle” reminds me somewhat of all those other battles, which will never really be won, but which money and resources will be thrown at hand over fist, because nobody has the strength of purpose to declare them unwinnable, and just walk away – Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan spring readily to mind. How much has all that cost so far, with no real discernable result?
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How much has all that cost so far, with no real discernable result?
Of course there is a discernable result. The waste of more and more federal money and the increase of the federal debt.
” “100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt … all
individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services
taxpayers expect from government.”
-Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan – January 15, 1984″
The interest on the federal debt is of course paid to the private Corporation the Federal Reserve.
As usual just follow the money trail. It is amazing how often it leads back to the same group.
Keith Hill says:
May 27, 2010 at 6:16 am
Orkneygal and Michael Lewis on CSIRO Coastal Survey. I started answering the survey questions but stopped when I realised that they were so loaded towards giving the Rudd Government a further excuse to waste ever-increasing billions on the AGW scam…
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You should have filled it out. There are fill in the blank areas. My favorite was “does this idea make you angry?”
RockyRoad says:
May 27, 2010 at 7:00 am
I took that survey, too. Here’s an example question (to which you were to mark a series of buttons ranging from Strongly Disagree to Strongly Agree:
“Homeowners should be compensated if their property is acquired by the government due to sea level rise”
I’m trying to wrap my mind around that one. Are they saying the government can just step in and acquire your property if the sea level rises (i.e., it becomes part of the ocean shelf and you abrogate any ownership?) Wow… how bizarre is that?
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Not bizarre at all.
Several miles of ocean front property worth billions is “condemned” and acquired by the government. In the first scenario the owner is paid nothing, in the second he is paid a pittance. The government then sells the land at auction and a big hotel chain acquires the land at a pittance plus bribe and build a mega hotel, the rest is turned into a wildlife park making the hotel a more lucrative investment…..
>> Orkneygal says:
Because of my location, I got a Google AD asking me to participate in the CSIRO survey.
http://www.cse.csiro.au/coastal-survey
Thanks Orkneygal. I filled it in an gave them my views … I loved the question about “why are you angry ?”. Obviously they just don’t get it !
@Jimbo (May 27, 2010 at 1:35 pm ):
Thanks for the linkage. Probably my most detailed writeup is this one:
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2009/12/should-you-be-global-warming-skeptic.html
Or you could skip over the science analysis and jump straight to snark (the Global Warming Clippy and Blue Screen of Death):
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-happens-when-you-run-climate.html
Not trolling for traffic (nice as that is), just these are probably a better starting place if you’re looking for climate stuff at my place. My approach is more focused on su7mmary explanation for a general audience than original research.
Yes, the “Why are you angry?” question was precious.
I told them I was angry at the waste of taxpayer money on this nonsenesical government sponsored alarmism about a non-problem.
I filled in the CSIRO survey.
I’m not the least bit worried about seal level rise but I live 2100 feet above sea level. It would be nice for to have about a 150 meter rise though! Then we could have a beach at the bottom of the hill here in Toowoomba. We could rename the town there Port Withcott( it is called Withcott now). LOL!
I filled out the CSIRO survey. Particularly applicable as I live within 50 meters of the ocean and 1m above sea level.
My final comments were ‘stop wasting taxpayers money’.
We wanted to include this as part of a piece on recursion (and politicization) in science but the links on this are all … recursive. The theater has no web link and no one answers the phone number, the DSE has no record of it and CSIRO doesn’t list it as being an event.
It’s nice that it has an element of truthiness to it but has anyone actually confirmed this beyond a poster everyone links to?
“particularly when the media focus on denialist views”
The Australian media try hard to suppress any sceptical views, and push every pro-AGW story hard.
And what’s all this nonsense about AGW putting private money in public hands? It is a scam to transfer private money of the the many into the bloated bank accounts of the few.
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/05/will-elites-ever-stop-pushing-global-warming-hype-nope-the-desire-to-enrich-themselves-is-too-great.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Climatescam+%28ClimateScam%29
All the carbon trading schemes are just another rip-off by Finance companies. The young sharpies with nasty haircuts and their fat bosses were looking forward to big takings.
And it is sad to see the CSIRO has fallen so low. I remember when they did useful things like invent the CSIRO-set process for permanent creases in wool trousers.
Victorians refer to the DSE as Department for Smoke and Embers as a reference to the Black Saturday bushfires.
Others say its Department of Scorched Earth for the same reason.
I think its Department for Social Engineering.
“MikeA says:
May 27, 2010 at 2:46 am
Well I live in Victoria, and I have worked for the government as a contractor; to declare my interest. It is our job to inform people of the risks involved in climate change. We would be negligent in our duty not to do this.”
I need a Govn’t to tell me the risks of wearing my speedos during the climate of June? LMAO
Nick Stokes – “This isn’t a CSIRO seminar”
Correct, but the flyer mentions CSIRO four times and it is made clear that Mr Holper is an employee. Is the Department of Sustainabilty and Environment paying for this presentation and if so, how much and to whom. Mr Holper as a private citizen or CSIRO as his employee? Is it in his own time or work time? Perhaps if these questions are answered and CSIRO are shown to have no involvement whatsoever then you may be a little more entitled to bleat “This isn’t a CSIRO seminar”
I urge all Australians reading this to fill out the CSIRO survey. I also urge them to email the appropriate Shadow Ministers in the Australian Federal government and inform them of your disgust.
We must make the politicians know that there are a lot of people out there who care about good science and hate seeing it used in this manner. We expect them to take the government to task over it and we expect them to produce policies preventing them from doing it should they win the next election.
“JohnB says:
May 28, 2010 at 7:08 am
I urge all Australians reading this to fill out the CSIRO survey. I also urge them to email the appropriate Shadow Ministers in the Australian Federal government and inform them of your disgust.
We must make the politicians know that there are a lot of people out there who care about good science and hate seeing it used in this manner. We expect them to take the government to task over it and we expect them to produce policies preventing them from doing it should they win the next election.”
It matters not, the “decision” has been made…tax tax tax to “save” our planet. Has anyone told old “SOL” that?
The Swedish former Wimbledon champion?