From the “weather is not climate department” another report of ice further south than has been recently experienced. Here’s a picture from this China Daily news story:
From Maritime Global.net
CHINA PORTS FREAK WEATHER ALERT
By David Hughes
Published: Tue, 26 January 2010
Freak weather conditions and/or abnormal weather patterns have been reported in several parts of the world during recent months warns the American P&I Club. One of the latest examples is a significant build-up of sea ice in some major northern Chinese ports, the volume exceeding, it says, anything experienced in more than 30 years.
In an alert to its members, the club says the problem is centred around Bohai on the northern Yellow Sea coast, affecting ports such as Bayuquan and Dalian. At Bayuquan, patches of ice 500-600mm thick have formed in some places, while lesser patches have been seen in the immediate vicinity of the port.
Three icebreakers are working to avoid delays to ships, while the local Maritime Safety Authority is strictly supervising inbound and outbound vessel traffic.
Other northern ports – such as Jingtang, Caofeidian and Xingang – are said to be not so seriously affected. On January 17, the Chinese National Sea Weather Forecast Station reported that floating ice around Liaodong Gulf extended as far as some 60 nautical miles from shore, at Bohai Gulf around 22 miles, Northern Yellow Sea around 14 miles, and Laizhou Gulf around 33 miles.
However, with more cold weather fronts expected later, ice coverage around the Bohai coast could expand, according to the club’s correspondents in China, Huatai Agency & Consultant Services Ltd.
The club advises that vessels scheduled to call at northern ports, especially Bayuquan, should be ready for extreme temperatures and ensure Port State Control requirements are strictly followed to avoid unnecessary delay.
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Here’s another news story from AsiaOne News:
Bohai bay turns into block of ice
h/t to Ron De Haan (Note: please fix your email!!)
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Just watch. The place will fill up with polar bears.
Kwik: I am sure his science advisor wrote the line. He is making Obama the laughing stock and should be fired.
Michael (14:48:56) :
That is, loosely, what the world actually means.
Trivia for the day…..
So to prove or disprove Global Warming what exactly disproves it?
Hot weather? Nope, that proves it.
Gales and Hurricanes? Nope they prove it.
Drought? Nope that proves it.
Rain and flood? Nope that proves it.
Freezing cold weather over an entire hemisphere? Nope that proves it.
Snowball Earth? Nope…
just read your greenpeace thread…came online late…but need to post an attack on Greenpeace by AGW-loving Fiona Harvey in the ‘prestigious’ UK Financial Times yesterday:
UK Financial Times: Green is the colour of climate discord
By Fiona Harvey
If the United Nations and the proponents of such a deal are serious in their stated aims, the best thing they could do would be to keep environmentalists out of the process.
Green campaigning groups played an exceptionally destructive role in the two weeks of the Copenhagen summit…
Copenhagen was always going to be a failure in the eyes of campaigning groups such as Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and Oxfam..
Green groups also provided a smokescreen for China and other big developing countries to exert influence on smaller nations with which they have ties. Many developed country governments suspected China – which in recent days has publicly cast doubt on the science of man-made global warming – of urging some of these countries to reject compromises.
China is the world’s biggest emitter, and has an appalling record on air and water pollution. Yet in climate negotiations its sins go unmentioned, and it is praised to the skies by environmental groups for its meagre targets. Beijing has few better friends..
For a climate deal to be reached, each nation must agree to it in every detail. This is proving so difficult that some countries have argued for seeking a treaty among a smaller group such as the G20.
If the UN were stronger, it might be able to deal with the NGOs and stand up to the likes of China. But that would require an overhaul of the negotiating processes, which could take years. Every year without a climate treaty makes the goal of halting climate change harder to achieve…
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1b93687a-0c40-11df-8b81-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
fiona, like most MSM, never points out that China has FOUR TIMES the population of the ‘biggest emitter’, the US, so calling the Chinese the ‘biggest emitter’ is incredibly dishonest.
fiona’s attack follows hot on the heels of a bizarre george monbiot attack on the UK Tele’s James Delingpole, which brings up Greenpeace! pity George didn’t contact the Tele or Delingpole to get the real story about the blog disappearing before he wrote his crazy piece though:
UK Tele: Delingpole Blog: Monbiot: an apology
So I quite understand why a man in as desperate a position as George’s has to grab what few crumbs of consolation he can. That’ll be why he’s got so terribly excited about a blog I wrote the other day – and then spiked – about an orchestrated campaign by a green pressure group to get sympathetic individuals in over 200 constituencies to send letters to their local Tory candidate testing him on his environmental correctness…
****And why did I pull it? (And it really was my decision, no one else’s. In fact I got a huge bollocking from my bosses for having done so because it is not Telegraph policy to pull blogs).
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100024152/monbiot-an-apology/
UK Guardian: George Monbiot: James Delingpole leads Telegraph into vicious climate over emailColumnist and climate change denier should be congratulated for his attempt to do even more damage to his purported cause
I think I have worked out where commentator James Delingpole is coming from. He pretends to be a climate change denier and enemy of environmentalists. In reality he’s a mole, paid by Greenpeace to inflict as much damage on the anti-green cause as possible. And he’s doing a marvellous job….
****After some 20 hours of this venom, the Telegraph took the post down…
Greenpeace is doubtless posting another fat cheque to him as I write. ..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/jan/27/james-delingpole-climate-change-denial
pitiful that in australia – as no doubt elsewhere – the Greens are still pushing for an Emissions Trading Scheme to put a price on carbon.
I’m sorry, but you’ve just gotta love the realclimate commenters.
“794Richard Steckis: BPL is right in saying that AGW will probably cause billions of deaths. In fact, the human race could go EXTINCT. Nobody is “catastrophising” the issue. We have read some archaeology and some paleontology.
The #1 kill mechanism is famine. See “The Long Summer” by Brian Fagan and “Collapse” by Jared Diamond.
7 degrees C is one more than the for-sure extinction point for Homo Sapiens as reported in a bunch of reports and books.
The book “Six Degrees” by Mark Lynas says: “If the global warming is 6 degrees centigrade, we humans go extinct.” See:
http://www.marklynas.org/2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-summary-of-six-degrees-as-published-in-the-guardian
Lynas lists several kill mechanisms, the most important being famine and methane fuel-air explosions. Other mechanisms include fire storms.
The following sources say H2S bubbling out of hot oceans is the final blow at 6 degrees C warming:
“Under a Green Sky” by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007. ”
Priceless, just priceless.
Peter Plail (15:36:36) :
I thought the new ‘concern’ (read ‘alarm’) was the amazing amount of ‘1st’ and ‘2nd’ year ice! I mean, that’s the worrying thing. Who could have expected that (after two years of continued significant recovery)?
Oh, it’s just some of that Climate Oddball Warming.
Don’t have a COW.
Well we are looking at a very cold jan here in Christchurch n.z . Sofar air temps are down by 1.1c on norm.
> Peter Plail (15:38:16) :
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> Correction para 2 – “prevailing wind patterns”
Thanks for noting the ice thickness aspect, Peter. I also thought of the Arctic Sea Ice Extent when I saw this post, since I’d just been to the http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ page the day before and was dismayed by the graph there, considering the record cold.
Your point is interesting, and I think folks do need to remember that it doesn’t take 200mph winds to shift ice, only a prevailing wind pattern that remains steady. (Unless the ice is on a land mass, of course)
unpredictable, life threatening, enjoyable, sublime, controversial, life affirming: i.e. weather.
ya gotta love it.
“if it doesn’t kill you, it makes you stronger”
pat (15:57:30):
Not really.
China simply is the biggest CO2 emitter [not that there’s anything wrong with that].
But China doesn’t like the label, so they insist on a per capita accounting. With more people, each one emits less CO2 on average. [Of course, the rise in Chinese emitted CO2 is skyrocketing due to its construction of 2 – 4 new coal-fired power plants per week, and it won’t be long before China will have to move the goal posts, ie: find another argument.]
The problem with China’s current per capita argument is that we all have one atmosphere. If China as a country emits more CO2, then China has the biggest impact on our shared atmosphere. It is our one atmosphere that matters, not a per capita disclaimer.
The real problem is particulate pollution – soot. About one third of all airborne pollution on the U.S.-Canadian-Mexican west coast comes straight from China. That kind of pollution causes real health issues, unlike harmless and beneficial CO2.
Must be our fault…
I can’t stop laughing about this one.
Osama Bin Laden talking from the grave. OBL, an AGW alarmist. Now I have heard everything.
“”The effects of global warming have touched every continent. Drought and deserts are spreading, while from the other floods and hurricanes unseen before the previous decades have now become frequent,” bin Laden said in the audiotape, aired on the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera.
The terror leader noted Washington’s rejection of the Kyoto Protocol aimed at reducing greenhouse gases and painted the United States as in the thrall of major corporations that he said “are the true criminals against the global climate” and are to blame for the global economic crisis, driving “tens of millions into poverty and unemployment.”
Who uses audio tape anymore?
kwik (12:57:16) :
Thanks for the video of Obama during the SOTU.
When Biden and Pelosi smile in response to Obma’s acknowledgment of folks who disagree with AGW (and the murmering on the right side of aisle), I take it that they understand it, too, and AGW as a political priority has fallen off the radar screen.
It’s an inside joke — nobody believes in AGW — at least nobody politically important…
Just occurred to me: If CAGW/climate change/climate chaos led to all that ice in Chinese ports, wouldn’t it be “rotten” ice? Is it safe to take donkey carts on rotten ice? Do you even need an icebreaker to sail through rotten ice?
The dam is cracking
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►[however, beware that the crazies are regrouping right now]
Now after Climate-gate, Glacier-gate and Hurricane-gate — how many “gates” can one report contain? — comes Amazon-gate. The IPCC claimed that up to 40% of the Amazonian forests were risk from global warming and would likely be replaced by “tropical savannas” if temperatures continued to rise.
This claim is backed up by a scientific-looking reference but on closer investigation turns out to be yet another non-peer reviewed piece of work from the WWF. Indeed the two authors are not even scientists or specialists on the Amazon: one is an Australian policy analyst, the other a freelance journalist for the Guardian and a green activist.
The WWF has yet to provide any scientific evidence that 40% of the Amazon is threatened by climate change — as opposed to the relentless work of loggers and expansion of farms.
Every time I have questioned our politicians about global warming they have fallen back on the mantra that “2,500 scientists can’t be wrong”, referring to the vast numbers supposedly behind the IPCC consensus.
But it is now clear that the majority of those involved in the IPCC process are not scientists at all but politicians, bureaucrats, NGOs and green activists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/01/the_dam_is_cracking.html
Sorry wrong thread but:-
From The Times January 30, 2010
Climate chief was told of false glacier claims before Copenhagen
The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.
Smokey (16:19:46) :
Even if China would stop burning coal for power generation the country still is producing emissions because of the natural coal fires that burn according to historic reports 1000 AC over an area of 5000 km.
The amount of coal burning uncontrolled is about 12 % of the annual use of coal for industrial use which amounts to the annual use of coal by Germany.
China is not the only country that has to cope with extensive natural coal fires.
Indonesia, Australia, India, the USA and Russia are only a few of the countries mentioned in this publication:
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Coal_fires
30 years. Hmmmmm. why does that seem significant? oh yeah. That would be the modern weather bench mark.
More trivia: I read that More’s title was a bit of wordplay, since it sounds the same as “eutopia” (good place). He was implying that the good place is not to be found.
Michael (14:48:56) :
“… The reason the Ministry of Fear exploits the stupidity of man, is for their owners monetary gain and their owners increase in Power and Control.
Utopia is not achievable. The founders of our country figured that out a long time ago. Human nature has never changed and never will. You will never get everyone on the planet to think the same, unless you get rid of everyone who thinks different, and event then human nature will take over in the end.”
That’s the game that we’re playing, even when we’re not aware of it. CAGW, the various wars on concepts, and other constant distractions, are convenient replacements for the terrorizing of religion and fear of Hell/God/Sin. It’s a dismal state of affairs until you see how reason and altruism still survive to some extent (and WUWT is in the vanguard). Great post, thanks.
Not sure what you mean by this: “The Constitution of the US puts limits on the exploits of human nature. If only we would use it.”
Not only in China. Tonight on the news (BBC) there was a brief report about a ship trapped in ice in the Baltic Sea due to worse than usual ice conditions. In the UK, we are again having some snow albeit only very light. It has obviously been a cold winetr in the Northern Hemishere this year.
Odd. Overall arctic extent continued to not be remarkable…
Peter Miller (13:00:09) :
“So where is there less Arctic sea ice than normal today?
The attached AMSR-E chart shows slightly less than normal extent for sea ice in recent years.”
One thing to keep in mind with those charts is that they aren’t created from photographic evidence. They rely on sensors that some say aren’t properly calibrated to reflect reality (we just have to remember the SSMI failure of last winter), nor is the raw data straight off the sensor, nor is the software that processes them before transmission to earth a matter of public record.