UPDATE: At first I was concerned about this poll and the language involved. Now from comments I’m seeing a number of people whom aren’t worried and see an opportunity to voice their opinion. I’ll leave it up to the reader to decide if they wish to participate. – Anthony
Wow, just wow. Who would think we’d see this sort of language and lack of sound judgment from a science museum? In the Now playing at a museum near you, the “Day After Tomorrow Map” thread, something interesting was discovered.
Once you click the “count me out” button, you enter a netherworld of governmental lists. The London Science Museum might want to think about redoing this web feature. The images are below, here’s the link.

Okay…now look what happens when you click “COUNT ME OUT”. Yellow highlighter mine.

Not only is this insulting and threatening to the reader, it virtually ensures that all responses logged by the London Science Museum are “COUNT ME IN” if you originally chose to vote otherwise.
Future presentation of results to the government: “The results show overwhelmingly that people agree with us. Hardly anyone chose COUNT ME OUT.
Even with the caveat the list*, how many people would trust it? I wouldn’t. I doubt many people even get to the caveat. The main statement is just too worrisome.
Perhaps the “COUNT ME OUT” respondents get a visit from these chaps? 😉

To be fair, respondents get a similar message if they choose to be counted in.

However, one wonders how many people will respond at all once they see that language.
The Science Museum really ought to pull this feature or redo language in it in my opinion.
h/t to alert WUWT reader coddbotherer
UPDATE: 10/24 @11:30PM
It appears some robovoting hit this poll. Robert Phelan’s letter pretty well sums up my thinking on this issue.
Sirs:
By now you must be aware that your on-line Prove It poll was seriously compromised. I voted “count-me-out” once under my own name, but after the individual who corrupted your poll revealed himself, I tested your polling system with two consecutive “count-me-in” votes, which were both apparently accepted.
Leaving aside my distaste for your support of politicized, Lysenko-style “science”, as both a social scientist and computer systems consultant I respect data and am appalled by the shoddy manner in which your organization collected it. A few suggestions:
1. State clearly the purpose of your poll and exactly which data will be used for that purpose.
2. You stated that you would pass the results to the government:
a. if the results had fairly resulted in a “count-me-out” majority, would those results have been passed on?
b. it would be helpful top explain what you would do with the comments you requested from the “count-me-outs”;
c. since the results were to be passed, presumably, to the UK government, foreigners such as myself should have been excluded from the voting. Checking the IP location of voters should be easy.
3. No one, either inside the UK or outside received the follow up e-mail. The explanation provided about ensuring one vote per person, frankly, makes no sense.
4. Maintaining a confidential list of voter names, e-mail addresses and IP’s to verify non-duplication would be easy. Making the voting a two-step process, where the voter had to respond to a follow-on e-mail would be even more secure.
5. Maintaining a list of non-acceptable names for screening: Joseph Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse-tung and Mickey Mouse all claimed to have voted no, as did Keith Briffa, Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt and James Hansen.
7. Create a display page where interested persons can view the names who have voted. Given the politicized nature of the topic, a unified alphabetical list would be appropriate.
8. Test the security of your poll before putting it on-line. Find a good hacker and pay him only if he succeeds in breaking into your system.
If you people can’t even run an on-line poll, why should anyone consider your opinions on climate? If this poll was so important that you needed two ministers of HMG to introduce it, why didn’t you get it done right?
I intend my suggestions to be helpful; if you find them so then I would be glad to be of further assistance. I am bitterly opposed to the position you have taken on “AGW” but I would not allow that to interfere with my professionalism.
Oh, one last suggestion. Don’t even try to salvage the results of this poll. Wipe them, make the changes I’ve suggested and start again.
Robert E. Phelan
Adjunct Instructor of Sociology
Business Systems and Automation Consultant
A commenter on our site, “lihard” has seemingly confessed to adding a thousand votes via a script. There was a period of about 15 minutes where the count jumped about 1000 votes. It appears “lihard” was at fault as he pre-announced it here in comments. Of course there was little anyone could do about it. I speak for myself and the moderation staff in saying we strongly object and are offended by his ballot stuffing and want to make clear that it is not condoned in any way. Whether or not the poll was put together with apparently no security in place does not justify any kind of dishonest activity.
However, since that burst (if indeed he, lihard, did one) the vote count has steadily risen, I believe those to be valid. If the Science Museum has any logs, they should be able to filter those ~1000 in question out. I hope they do.
I don’t condone ballot stuffing in any form. Unfortunately it can happen when polls like this one don’t appear to have the most basic simplistic security. The interesting thing here is that if anybody wanting to stuff the poll, no matter what side of the argument they are on, could easily have done so. No special skills are needed to boost the counter…just keep clicking the submit button. Any kid can do it.
Perhaps the Science Museum didn’t think of security for cyberspace like they do for their exhibits. The internet is a harsh place and prone to such things. The lack of due diligence for security is as troubling as the language they used which originally caught my attention.
The polls we do here at WUWT don’t suffer from these problems, as they have anti-ballot stuffing security built in courtesy of WordPress. I hope that the Science Museum will upgrade their poll security if they choose to continue with it. Also for the record, you’ll find me logged once in poll, shortly after posting this story on 11/23 approximately 9:30-10AM PST, with my full name and email address given. If anyone from the Science Museum (or the UK government) wishes to contact me, they can use that email address. – Anthony
That’s me counted out too, with an appropriate comment about the bad science currently fuelling the AGW case.
“…at least 96% of the current atmospheric CO2 is isotopically indistinguishable from non-fossil-fuel sources”
Thanks NickB
I had seen other references claiming atmospheric CO2 was as low as 1% fossil fuel derived. Any other pointers appreciated.
Well, I didn’t vote. I’ve got enough check marks after my name on government lists as it is.
Love the picture of Oskar Werner as Fireman Montag.
And the counted outs keep climbing! Ouch.
The influence of the blogosphere may yet save us from this madness.
Keep waving the flag Anthony.
359 counted in so far 1781 counted out so far
I counted myself out and got carried away screeching the following:
“Climate has always changed, and always will. Going back to its original name, ‘Global Warming’ doesn’t make it any easier, as the planet stopped warming ten years ago. Get over it and move on!! People are more aware of their effect on the environment – just accept that as a victory. Stop pushing this propaganda down the throats of UK citizens and (horrifically) UK school children. It’s obscene, and everyone involved in the climate change scam are the lowest of the low. They will be a joke to their descendants, but they are disgusting criminals to their peers.
An echelon of “scientists”, “climate change ministers” and “environmental correspondents” want to keep their jobs getting money for nothing until they retire. The consequence of this for the rest of the population is having a climate change caused by humans myth forced upon them, leading on to carbon taxes and a personal carbon allowance, which is just a roundabout way of gaining control back over the masses, which was lost when they demanded the rights that they had fought for in WW2, (after their fathers had demanded the same rights after WW1 and were laughed at).
In short, Science Museum, get on with being a science museum and leave global warming to politics, as that is what it is, as any REAL scientist knows.
Oh, and you can give my name to the Government. Even although they are flirting with climate change fascism, they haven’t quite got into bed yet, and when they do I’ll no doubt be out shooting non carbon neutrals with the rest of the sheep, (unless my backbone and my disgust of this eco-fascism stays firm).”
Sorry to insult you chaps on the other side of the pond, but this “count me in” or “count me in” business is not proper English – it is American-English.
In voting in the negative, I pointed out an essential part of the traditonal English culture is fair play and hearing both sides of the argument. All this talk about urgency, consensus and castigating the opposition as being biased due to being bribed by oil companies is simply not cricket!
The Science Museum is a fantastic institution that has inspired many to study the various branches further. As I child I visited a number of times, getting lost in the many rooms, absorbing huge amounts. The “Prove it” site is an affront to one of the world’s greatest museums and should be taken down.
Given that count, what are the odds they’ll actually send the vote in? 50 Quatloos says they don’t.
* 361 counted in so far
* 1807 counted out so far
However I must admit — I counted out as “John Smith” at notme@yahoo.com.
No cheating, please. I stridently disapprove.
A win isn’t a win unless it’s a win. And that’s all there is to it.
“Well, it has surpassed 5:1”
But it would only be a little better than 2:1 if it wasn’t for Lihard (11:46:46)
I don’t dispute that the link here has probably had an impact.
On the other hand, they themselves say:
Convinced? Want to spread the word? Invite your friends and family to be part of PROVE IT! Follow the three steps. Pick a point. Choose the evidence to back it up. Then send it on.
Turnabout (without cheating) is fair play?
I counted out. But the vote was valid from outside UK??
” valiantdefender (13:52:24) :
Respectfully, “evanmjones”, when have the catastrophists ever played fair?
[REPLY – In order to have the right to complain, we must play fair, regardless. Besides, having the moral high ground has serious advantages of its own. I doubt we can prevail without it. ~ Evan]”
With regard to this exchange, I submit the following comment taken from another blog about another topic, and yet is quintessentially on point (bold emphasis at the end is mine, and is the money quote):
(by “EBD” on SDA)
“Should every blog comment be viewed as a contribution to a debate that is delivered and measured for merit according to particular rules of order? In a perfect world, yes, but on the other hand it wasn’t a Harvard debating team that stormed the beach at Normandy; those footprints were the end-product of an aggregate social force informed not by eloquence and Robert’s Rules but rather by belief and collective anger – yes, anger – and animus. Is that motivation just? Not necessarily, but on the other hand, to pretend that one’s enemies will in the final analysis be impressed or swayed by one’s decency in addressing their views, as opposed to aggregate and confirmed force, is a fatal conceit.“
Paul Coppin (19:20:13) : “… but on the other hand, to pretend that one’s enemies will in the final analysis be impressed or swayed by one’s decency in addressing their views, as opposed to aggregate and confirmed force, is a fatal conceit.“
I hear an echo in my mind: “Good guys finish last. A shame; but a reality.
Counted myself out and told ’em why. 362 in vs 1857 out.
I did visit and left then a couple of messages,regarding water vapor/carbon dioxide also read a book entitled “1984”
I’ll see what happens,probably nothing.
0ut……now 362 in v 1862 out – it appears to be going horribly wrong for them
I’m out. Score is now 362 in – 1870 out
Better than the Youth Decide thing we got here in Oz. At least this offers the opportunity to disagree rather than the options (paraphrasing here) of do you want moderate and difficult emission reductions, ambitious and impractical reductions, or realms of fantasy reductions. Incidentally, I clicked the least insane option just so I could write a comment about the ridiculous bias and said that if offered a stop-worrying-business-as-usual option I’d have gone for that. Predictably they’ve spammed the disposable email I used with messages thanking me for my support and promoting assorted eco-guff.
I counted myself out, but expected to get an email asking for confirmation. This email never arrived. Did other people get an email, or is this normal?
I think a better saying is ” good guys are the last to finish” Remember it takes time to do a good job. Fakers finish up early.
I left them a message at: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/about_us/contact_us.aspx
“great way to get a list of people to put in concentration camps in an upcoming eco-fascist regime
p.s. I’m a geologist, you can’t fool me”
I also got no email, but it’s 368 / 1945 now^^
You it doesn’t matter what the polls say, and what people want, the decision has already been made.