I’ll leave this one in the hands of Australian Climate Madness who gets credit for spotting this unbelievable quote from a supposed journalistic enterprise of integrity known as “The Age”. – Anthony
Astonishing quote from “The Age”
The Age reports on another “yoof” climate campaign wittily entitled “Youth Decide” (“you decide,” geddit? Link here.) in which the kids of today vote on which world they wish to inherit. Here are the three options:
Even The Age pokes fun at the poll, wondering why we should pay attention to the opinion of 12 year olds (brainwashed at school by endless showings of An Inconvenient Truth in science class, rather than in politics class). But it also includes an almost unbelievable quote, revealing a great deal about The Age‘s view on the campaign to save the planet from climate change:
There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.
In other words, give up trying to argue that the science is wrong. We’ve successfully pulled the wool over the public’s eyes now, mostly thanks to the misrepresentations in the media, and primarily thanks to the alarmist Fairfax (which includes The Age itself and The Sydney Morning Herald), and so who cares if it complete BS? We will achieve our political goals whatever happens now.
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Roger Carr
How absolutely refreshing to see the real story of King Canute written. I am so tired of reading quotes that imply Canute was a braggart and an arrogant loser when the opposite is the case. He was a humble man showing his dopey followers that he couldn’t oppose the forces of nature. If only Al Gore and the considerable number of climate scientists who espouse anthropogenic CO2 as the major/only factor in global warming, would take a leaf from Canute’s book!
If there are any readers here who understand German, than this video is a must watch:
http://www3.ndr.de/media/gluehbirne114.html
It tells the sad story of “energy saving lights”, their energy-intensive and dangerous recycling and their general inefficiency. It’s a real scandal.
I’d really hate to see them used in undeveloped countries. These green groups are not interested in the environment.
“J.Hansford (22:34:31) :
This whole article assumes that the World needs saving….
It forces young people to choose between different flavours of the same catastrophism…. Classic Socialist politics.”
One thing I have noticed when I discuss AGW CC and CO2 with younger people is that they don’t equate the use of iPods, social network systems like Facebook, Twitter etc, cellphone networks, pro-AGW sites like youthdecide.com.au and a shedload more sites than that, all the servers and all the telecoms equipment required for them to be accessed from home, home networks and computers consume power in their use, consumed power in their manufacturing, in their installation, their support which releases CO2. They just don’t seem to “put it all together”.
There is nothing surprising about this piece of knavery coming from the Age, aka the “Pravda of the Yarra” (Yarra being the river through Melbourne).
The Age made its collectivist mind up about ‘global warming’ long ago. It runs a left-of-centre views on most issues, and currently is in a less than grand financial state, something it shares with its stable partner in Sydney. Echoes of the NYT and WaPo. After a while, folk become tired of filtered news and biased commentary posing as reportage.
At least a bailout is out of the question, I hope..
Is anyone else having trouble getting the sunspot images in the RH column the last few days? For me the server is timing out.
Roger Carr: Read what Phil’s Dad wrote and you’ll see that he was being facetious.
Mike Jonas: your letter was published but they will not do their own rebuttal of the original
“Philip_B (01:20:25) :
Rationing may or may not increase prices. Depending on the degree to which the item being rationed can be substituted.”
Clearly you’ve never been subject to “rationing”, or not being able to afford stuff, like food and have to resort to….errm….crime, because someone else “controls the market”. And you seem to advocate the “black market” too?
“If nuclear power stations (or other alternative source of energy) were being built at a rate equivalent to the rate the carbon ration was being reduced then there would be minimal overall effect on prices.”
Funny.
“Unlike you, I’ll refrain from calling people who can’t understand the difference between rationing and a tax ‘dumb’.”
I understand the difference between those who have, those who have not, tax (In any form), control of the “market” and Govn’t.
Ready for a “global eco-cultural revolution”?
See, before the cult revolution really got going in China, they had to indoctrinate the children first – after that they were ready to even kill their own parents for “what they had done” or for “what they were thinking”…
Now, this leads me to Anna Louise Strong – a relative of Maurice Strong – who was a close friend of Mao. She died in 1970 and is buried just a few graves away from Mao.
I believe Maurice Strong’s goals are not that much different from his cousin’s goals – that’s what I believe she was to him – or Mao’s, for that matter;
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
We’re getting reports here in England (on the BBC news) that the level of global CO2 has fallen – they say due to the worldwide recession. Anyone heard any news on this? Cannot find it on the BBC’s web site.
“Barry Foster (04:43:17) :
We’re getting reports here in England (on the BBC news) that the level of global CO2 has fallen – they say due to the worldwide recession. Anyone heard any news on this? Cannot find it on the BBC’s web site.”
Here, but no data, or what the downward difference is, as always.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/carbon-emissions-fall-with-global-downturn-report-20090921-fxqf.html
Warming is AGW. Cooling is just weather, that old chestnut.
Barry Foster (04:43:17)
Barry, I caught it on the sub screen ticker tape this morning.
You were not dreaming it.
ralph (00:42:12) :
>>>Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
Wasn’t it Goebbels who said, “if you say something often enough, people will believe it”?
I don’t know if he said that, but he did perfect the propaganda technique of “the Big Lie”, or “a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” Hitler originally coined the phrase “Big Lie”, accusing the Jews of using it, in his “Mein Kampf.
Graeme Rodaughan (16:55:54) :
A few decades ago, the power brokers, media, local boosters, etc. felt very confident about bringing the Olympics to Denver. This in spite of the facts. Denver did not have the facilities, what was available was spread out too far, owners of properties required for such things as bob sled runs didn’t want them, not enough snow in the mountains at the proposed site, etc.
However, when push came to shove, people here just refused to foot the bill. It came as a real shock to the powers that be to find they did not really control matters. It was the loss of a real money making opportunity for the business interests backing the Olympics. It was not a loss for those of us stuck with the bills.
Good thing the Winter Olympics were not in Denver in 1976. It was one of our periodic dry spells up in the mountains for those few years. Instead of breathtaking views of mountains filled with pristine snow, the world would have seen brown weeds on dry hill sides. A real disaster for the public relations of a still small skiing industry.
My wife worked at a small ski shop in the early 70s. It went broke a few years later. Why? Drought and the drop off in skiing. An international audience at the time would have put a stake through the heart of the ski industry.
Advocates for these draconian changes in our economy should have kept their mouths shut as the pulled the levers behind the curtains. Now more people are taking a little time to closely examine the facts behind the climate change crisis.
And there is the matter of the current cooling. All eyes are on the weather. It is not cooperating with AGW enthusiasts. But unlike the very fortunate ski industry of Colorado in the 70s, the world is now watching.
“Bill Marsh (21:42:35) :
OT: Anyone know what’s up with the NASA SOHO site? It’s been unreachable for the last three days.”
From
http://www.solarcycle24.com/
Please note that many solar images have been unavailable through the weekend due to scheduled work on the SOHO website.
The new Cycle 24 region we have been watching for a week now is finally starting to rotate into view. There is a sunspot visible in the latest images. You can see a new picture below.
B-Class flare activity may be possible from the new region, however the X-Ray flux has been fairly quiet. I hope this changes.
New Sunspot (Monday at 11:15 utc)
Roger Knights (03:39:09) : “Roger Carr: Read what Phil’s Dad wrote and you’ll see that he was being facetious.”
Happy to accept that, Roger, but the real story still needs spreading and I am prepared to look foolish if that is required to hammer it home.
JamesG:
“If you’d actually even read any left wing press then you’d have been well prepared for the current market depression because they all predicted it.”
I don’t know what left wing press you’re referring to. However, I can name somebody that did predict the current meltdown: Peter Schiff. And he’s hardly a left winger – a member of the Austrian school of economics, a follower of great economists like Von Mises and Schumpeter.
So, all I’m saying is that your “left wing” aren’t the only ones to have a monopoly on truth. It just takes a clear head and the ability to think outside the box.
In Brazil, we have the term factóide to describe things published in the press to keep politicians in evidences. AGW lives today only of factóides.
In portugês: One factóide is a fact divulged with sensationalism for the press, this can be true or not. Badly intentioned politics is also about propaganda. …
Thanks for that closing tag, Mod.
[Reply: de nada, sometimes it’s a WordPress glitch. ~dbs, mod.]
Cassandra King:
“The indoctrination of children is an old and effective trick, get into the schools and you have a captive audience, they soak up what adults tell them like a sponge, they are easy prey for the propagandists.”
No, they aren’t (easy prey), because it always backfires. When can you get kids to follow an adults point of view? Kids always rebel. If you berate them day after the day to lead “green” lives they will do the exact opposite.
I went to a Church school when I was growing up, and morning worship and monthly church services was de riguer, with punishments for non participation. But, I don’t know a single kid who become a minister because of it.
Nope, these propagandists are making the same mistake each generation makes. We should be laughing at them.
>>>We’re getting reports here in England (on the BBC news)
>>>that the level of global CO2 has fallen – they say due to
>>>the worldwide recession. Anyone heard any news on this
They are just covering themselves, in case we get a hard winter.
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Chillingly, this quote of the week encapsulates the entire strategic goal of this grotesquely ambitious and thoroughly machiavellian political michief. First, from a short list of suitably inclined government funded research institutions enrol a cabal of scientists carefully selected for their polarity on AGW, allow them to draw group think strength from each other and work up a scientific prosecution case against CO2. Devote political wordsmiths to promote this cause and unleash a long term and intensifying comprehensive propaganda campaign on the gullible public, while suppressing dissent with the aid of mainstream media connections. Sit back and wait to see if your bait catches its prey, then once netted and caged, do with them as is your pleasure.
>>>No, kids aren’t (easy prey), because it always backfires.
>>>When can you get kids to follow an adults point of view?
>>>Kids always rebel.
Not so. When totally immersed in propaganda, the propaganda always wins. As I said before:
Children educated in 1930s USSR became young communists.
Children educated in 1930s Germany became Hitler youth.
… almost without exception.
Rebellion only happens when there is an alternative outlet/truth that the children can latch on to, instead of the controlling propaganda. Without WUWT and other such websites, the next generation would all be sunk without trace.
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Not all Pagans buy into AGW hype. The Earth is a remarkably robust system interacting with the Sun. I think it can survive a great many things humans throw at it, including a little rise in CO2 concentation.
Seriously, folks, AGW looks like an angst-driven mess created by folks with too much time on their hands spent feeling guilty for being well-off without having earned it. Or maybe they worship the nobility of poverty?
I do feel, however, that petroleum IS going to get more expensive, and that we need to start 1) building fission reactors and 2) figuring out how to make fusion work commercially. That way we will have the kind of energy supply that will allow us raise the poor nations to the level of standard of living that those of us in wealthy nations enjoy, while preserving land that would be covered with solar panels or wind turbines if we listen to the Greenies. That will allow us to conserve petroleum for uses like transportation where it is indispensible.
And we do need to think about “conserving the planet’s resources”. Arable land needs to be conserved, so we can feed the world with an adequate diet, rather than some of us having adequate or excessive food & others starving. Plant species that may have uses we don’t even know about yet need to be conserved because once they’re gone, they’re gone.
But this agenda, which is coming from a Pagan “earth worshiper” is far from toeing the AGW line.
Thoughts
Barry Foster (04:43:17) :
We’re getting reports here in England (on the BBC news) that the level of global CO2 has fallen – they say due to the worldwide recession. Anyone heard any news on this? Cannot find it on the BBC’s web site.
Nice, now when global temps start to fall even more they can point to this and say “see, CO2 went down so the temperature fell”…
Cheers
Mark