I’ll leave this one in the hands of Australian Climate Madness who gets credit for spotting this unbelievable quote from a supposed journalistic enterprise of integrity known as “The Age”. – Anthony
Astonishing quote from “The Age”
The Age reports on another “yoof” climate campaign wittily entitled “Youth Decide” (“you decide,” geddit? Link here.) in which the kids of today vote on which world they wish to inherit. Here are the three options:
Even The Age pokes fun at the poll, wondering why we should pay attention to the opinion of 12 year olds (brainwashed at school by endless showings of An Inconvenient Truth in science class, rather than in politics class). But it also includes an almost unbelievable quote, revealing a great deal about The Age‘s view on the campaign to save the planet from climate change:
There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.
In other words, give up trying to argue that the science is wrong. We’ve successfully pulled the wool over the public’s eyes now, mostly thanks to the misrepresentations in the media, and primarily thanks to the alarmist Fairfax (which includes The Age itself and The Sydney Morning Herald), and so who cares if it complete BS? We will achieve our political goals whatever happens now.
LOL I just looked at the list of supporters for the Yoof Decides thing:
http://youthdecide.com.au/About-Us/Partners—supporters.aspx
As if we needed another reason to hate the Collingwood Football Club LOL
Let’s hope their form last Saturday is indicative of what to expect in Copenhagen.
Carbon emissions down; So do we need an agreement at Copenhagen?
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/carbon-emissions-fall-with-global-downturn-report-20090921-fxqf.html
From the Article;
“The December meeting in Copenhagen, under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, aims to set down action for tackling heat-trapping carbon emissions beyond 2012, when the current provisions of the Kyoto Protocol run out.”
Many Australians will be shaking with fear when they read “heat-trapping carbon emissions…”
It’s a shame termites emit more GHG (Methane) than all other living creatures put together on this planet.
“Philip_B (19:38:28) :
Cap and Trade isn’t a tax. It’s a form of rationing.”
Rationing, in the form of more expensive stuff, food, power, fuel etc made expensive by higher…..taxes, levies, carbon offsets whatever word/words you want to use, it’s still a tax.
A bit OT, but inline with media hype in Australia;
http://www.watoday.com.au/national/volcanic-eruption-in-australia-3000-years-overdue-20090921-fx4f.html
Basically an “…ologist” has stated that some naturally ocurring event seems a bit “overdue”!!! Of course “geo-hazards” are real and unpredictible.
The Age used to be decent. It started declining, so I stopped reading everything but the Epicure section. Then that went pear shaped too. As an side, The Age also runs a hardcore republican agenda, while still selling their newspape under their most recognisable symbol, the Royal Coat of Arms. Yep, thats integrity right there.
It’s an indirect tax in the sense that governments can intervene in the market place directly in one of two ways: set regulations in regard to quantity or price. It really is a question of potato… potatoe…
By not setting a price on carbon, but rather a quantity to be regulated, and then letting the “free” markets determine price, the governments of the world wash their hands somewhat of being viewed as increasing the cost of all things.
At the end of the day, we realise that the ultimate effect on the households is the same… we pay more for stuff. Where this income is redistributed to is the only question (after all we have “moved on” from the questions of climate science, no?)
OT, but important IMO. This is the other side of the coin when stuff get’s more expensive;
http://www.smh.com.au/business/financial-stress-for-families-on-the-rise-20090920-fwtp.html
We haven’t even started to pay for the migration to a less carbon based economy and rationing yet.
“I think now it will take years of brutally cold winters and complete and total refutation of climate modeling and AGW before the average person would accept that the science was never settled.”
Be careful what you wish for.
The money goes overseas, never to return.
This is no simple tax. It’s finito for US economy.
It will turn a deep recession into a Grand Depression.
Only, this is not 1933, and we are energy and import dependent.
The indoctrination of children is an old and effective trick, get into the schools and you have a captive audience, they soak up what adults tell them like a sponge, they are easy prey for the propagandists.
Its cynical and its dishonest but the whole MMCC/AGW/AAM charade is dishonest on a molecular level, the UK prime minister now relies on photoshoots with children, he is so unpopular and hated even that only children can be trusted not give him a jolly hard time, His audience gets younger by the week.
The mind of a child is what carries the hope and dreams of a civilisation foward, it is also the Achiles heel of any democracy, the enemies of democracy know only too well the essential part children can play in the theft of that democracy.
OT: Anyone know what’s up with the NASA SOHO site? It’s been unreachable for the last three days.
Phil’s Dad (17:35:03) : “… Was it not King Canute who held back the wave of lemmings?”
Please, Dad, do not help to promote this error. King Canute was a wise and humble king who was wholly aware of the frailty of man. He took his pleace on the beach to show his foolish people that he could NOT hold back the tide. See:
From the AGE…… “[As you are reading, the young are voting. They are telling us whether they want to live in a world where the Great Barrier Reef is dead, half of all animal species face extinction and two billion people don’t have enough to drink. Frankly, it would be surprising if they did want this kind of world….. It’s a fair point, but again: is anyone actually in favour of not saving the world?…]”
This whole article assumes that the World needs saving….
It forces young people to choose between different flavours of the same catastrophism…. Classic Socialist politics.
The Socialist elite, the Vanguard of higher thought, know better than everyone else, what everyone else needs…. Yeah right!
Sad but true, Mr Hansford. The voice of reason will not return until there is a nasty change in the weather.
Robert E. Phelan (15:09:04) :
Stephen Skinner (13:49:44) :
Actually, I was NOT aware of that… one learns something new all the time. The image is so ingrained in our language, however, that it conveys a certain truth without necessarily being true. Much as GEICO means no disrespect to Neanderthals (who actually had brains about 10% larger than ours) I meant no offense to lemmings, who are, I’m sure, noble and sensitive creatures.
As are sheep:
In Istanbul, Turkey nearly 1,500 sheep jumped over a cliff, 450 died, the rest survived because they landed on the dead.
First one sheep jumped to its death. Then stunned Turkish shepherds, who had left the herd to graze while they had breakfast, watched as nearly 1,500 others followed, each leaping off the same cliff, Turkish media reported Friday.
In the end, 450 dead animals lay on top of one another in a billowy white pile, the Aksam newspaper said. Those who jumped later were saved as the pile got higher, cushioning the fall, the daily newspaper Aksam reported.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200507/09/eng20050709_195169.html
The reason I searched the net for “sheep” and “cliff” is that I know that sheep display herd behavior: If a herd passes an obstacle, the head sheep jumps it, the next follows, etc. Remove slyly the obstacle, the herd keeps jumping where the others jumped.
Probably the lemming story started by one herd going over the cliff, maybe because the head lemming was stung by a wasp or snake, as could be the excuse for the sheep jump, imo. The rest follow the leader because for grazing animals of small mobility being in a large group gives larger survival probability, the predators eating the slow ones at the outside.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread152690/pg1
“Even if it’s wrong”
You can hear this very very strange comment very often in the Internet, when people are confronted with sceptic views. Mostly the phrase is like this:
“Even if it’s wrong, we have to save oil”
“Even if it’s wrong, we have to protect the environment”
etc.
etc.
Total crazy
OT, but I am keen to keep watch of this court case;
http://www.theage.com.au/national/accused-arsonist-granted-bail-20090921-fy5z.html
Not sure if we’ll hear much about it on the news here in New South Wales however.
Marian (14:03:44) :
“12 year olds (brainwashed at school by endless showings of An Inconvenient Truth in science class, rather than in politics class). But it also includes an almost unbelievable”
What’s really disgusting about this BS. There’s cases where children come home from school after their brainwash session scared. Thinking they’re going to all drown because the icecaps are melting.
The only way Al Gore is going to see a substantial sea-level rise is if he goes swimming.
Sorry, completely ad-hom but I couldn’t resist; am slapping own wrist as I type (not easy).
Cheers
Mark.
>>>Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
Wasn’t it Goebbels who said, “if you say something often enough, people will believe it”?
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>>>Hmmm if only that other mob hadn’t made
>>>white gowns so unfashionable…
Ahh, you should live in a non-PC country like Spain, rather than conformist USA. White gowns and pointy hats are de rigueur here:
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/intelligenttravel/2994745839_c78e280121-thumb-500×292.jpg
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Wade (14:53:19) : “People will more readily believe the big lie than the little lie.” Hitler and the AGW movement have one thing in common: they know (knew) how to manipulate people.
What a way to start Monday morning!
OK, I’m going to channel my horror, reroute it positively into my upcoming talk.
The main difference between a tax and rationing is that governments get to determine who gets how much of an allocation under the overall ration. Assuming all allocations are not auctioned.
Thus rationing is an instrument for increasing government control of the economy.
Crucially, with Cap and Trade the United Nations alone has the right to manufacture new ration allocations on an international basis (known as carbon offsets).
Thus Cap and Trade is an instrument for increasing UN control of the world economy.
Rationing may or may not increase prices. Depending on the degree to which the item being rationed can be substituted.
If nuclear power stations (or other alternative source of energy) were being built at a rate equivalent to the rate the carbon ration was being reduced then there would be minimal overall effect on prices.
whatever word/words you want to use, it’s still a tax
Unlike you, I’ll refrain from calling people who can’t understand the difference between rationing and a tax ‘dumb’.
>>>The mind of a child is what carries the hope and
>>>dreams of a civilisation foward, it is also the Achiles
>>>heel of any democracy,
Absolutely.
Children educated in 1930s USSR became young communists.
Children educated in 1930s Germany became Hitler youth.
…and almost without exception.
Children are what you make them, pure and simple, but in the West the Left have taken over all our education and media, so are we surprised that we are losing the culture and science ‘war’?
Even parents are powerless nowadays, as the children tell the teachers, the teachers tell social services, who then call the police and you get a knock at your door. “Ello, ello, ello, I hear you don’t believe in ………” (add whichever Liberal belief system you care).
Think I am kidding? I’m afraid not. We had a couple arrested last week for debating the merits of Islam in their home!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666/Christian-hotel-owners-hauled-court-defending-beliefs-discussion-Muslim-guest.html
I can hear the defence case now. “But you were told by the government and BBC that Islam is a Religion of Peace – and you did not believe them? M’lud, I call for the maximin punishment of 25 years”.
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joe (13:18:47) :
In europe on cnn and bbc the programming is 100% climate change all the time.
Almost every news story has a climate change angle, yesterday the two stories I saw repeated several times were the german freighters that took the northeast passage and bangladesh is flooding due to rising sea levels.
If I didn’t have the interwebs as a source of information I’d be digging a shelter for the coming climate apocalypse.
I think now it will take years of brutally cold winters and complete and total refutation of climate modeling and AGW before the average person would accept that the science was never settled.
Don’t be too sure that the majority believe this BS! Many do that is true to say. However, many also feel frustrated, & a little despondant as they cannot see any way of challenging the mythology with any degree of success, (Main stream parties of all colours are committed greenies) because the BBC, & the rest of the squalid media hacks are either on board from the beginning, eg Richard Black/Roger Harrabin et al, or gave up any idea of being independent journalists long ago because it was easier to swallow the press releases from the Spin Doctors rather than carry out a little research themselves, they never ask embarrassing questions any more. Having said this, it doesn’t matter how many swallow the bitter pill of environmentalism, the people have short memories as politicans of all hues can atest, & it won’t take many years of cold bitter winters to convince them that all is not quite as it seems. It would probably be only two or three with sky-rocketing fuel prices to boot.
OT, but loosely connected, former President Jimmy Carter should know better & he should be ashamed of himself, I for one never thought he would stoop so low by using that old chestnut! Was it not the Republican party who sought the Presidential candidacy of one Colin Powell? (Moderator please snip if you feel this remark will cause problems, though it was not meant to & I have no desire to do so, but rather to illustrate the desparation within the Democrat/Green camp to raise taxes & force through a Bill that they have dreamt of for 40 years.)
Geoff Sherington (19:37:10) :
“I, too, apologise for what my country Australia has said and is doing. This country, with a population then of under 10 million, produced some outstanding science and scientific leadership when I was a youngster starting out.
Now, in my later years, I cannot even comprehend of a person so stupid as to write “There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right”.
Please accept our shame.”
Here is a hint:
http://www.fenton.com.au/