I’ll leave this one in the hands of Australian Climate Madness who gets credit for spotting this unbelievable quote from a supposed journalistic enterprise of integrity known as “The Age”. – Anthony
Astonishing quote from “The Age”
The Age reports on another “yoof” climate campaign wittily entitled “Youth Decide” (“you decide,” geddit? Link here.) in which the kids of today vote on which world they wish to inherit. Here are the three options:
Even The Age pokes fun at the poll, wondering why we should pay attention to the opinion of 12 year olds (brainwashed at school by endless showings of An Inconvenient Truth in science class, rather than in politics class). But it also includes an almost unbelievable quote, revealing a great deal about The Age‘s view on the campaign to save the planet from climate change:
There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.
In other words, give up trying to argue that the science is wrong. We’ve successfully pulled the wool over the public’s eyes now, mostly thanks to the misrepresentations in the media, and primarily thanks to the alarmist Fairfax (which includes The Age itself and The Sydney Morning Herald), and so who cares if it complete BS? We will achieve our political goals whatever happens now.
“There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.”
Is this the end of Science, and the beginning of a new Dark Age?
What a legacy to bequeath to our children!
/Mr Lynn
Jimmy Haigh (14:40:44) “Notice how it’s all ‘climate change’ now and not ‘global warming’.”
Yes …but you left out the dirty word that commands unconditional reverence: ‘Anthropogenic’.
What the myth-spreaders deny: the power of nature.
We got an email about this “Youth Decide” at my uni. The first thing that struck me was that the three options had pictures with them. The lower reduction option has pollution and dead whales, and the higher reduction option has a whole bunch of green stuff around it. I would bet that based on that alone, the vote will be 100% to the highest reduction option.
This documentary came out 20 years ago and is still accurate, truthful, and proves the conspiracy. Why didn’t the people listen to this back then. Maybe they didn’t see it because NPR refused to show it. I wish I had 600 copies to give to every congressman.
The Greenhouse Conspiracy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010#
‘The Age’ in Melbourne and its Sydney stablemate ‘The Sydney Morning Herald’ have been losing money & readership for years. Perhaps the reason is this ‘journalism’ is oh-so-typical; its plain leftwing elitism, anti-capitalistic, mis-anthropic swill. I guess more & more readers are getting indigestion on this diet of garbage and don’t buy or subscribe to the paper(s) or visit their websites. If any ETS scam /scheme is introduced here by our economically illiterate & bankrupt Fed Govt (ie. Australian Labor Party; essentially the same vein as US Democrats) the owners of these papers (Fairfax) will probably close down these vestages of stupidity as their revenues will plummet as the economy will be in freefall.
“A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. …he will refuse to believe it…. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.” – Yuri Bezmenov
Watch Yuri Bezmenov’s lectures on the step by step plan to bring crisis and then communism to the US. This isn’t some conspiracy theorist nut, he was a KGB propaganda agent stationed in India before he defected. It was his job to report on intellectuals and oppress any dissenters.
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm
http://www.youtube.com/user/hermitcleric
Join the Tea Parties and take your country back NOW because this lunacy has gone too far.
There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.
Wow, they screwed up their own kids and they’re making jokes about it.
“There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.”
REF: (MICHAEL COULTER): http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/hey-kids-it-aint-easy-being-green-20090919-fw1p.html
IMHO: This Hubris originates in the Echo Chamber of Left Thought, and will be a key weakness of the AGW political Movement that will result in the AGW Promoters snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.
This Hubris results from the unwillingness of the Left to actually deal with Facts ahead of Ideology. There is an assumption is that those who dissent are simply fringe idiots, small in numbers and without influence who can be safely ignored – this is a false assumption. However as his Ideology tells him that he is [1] Smart, [2] Right, [3] On the side destined by History to Win. He can’t imagine failure at this stage – which is a classic weakness that has destroyed many in the past.
Pride goeth before a fall.
I wonder if this hubris will survive Copenhagen in December 2009, and the US Elections in 2010?
He goes on to say “And a lot of solutions proposed by climate affirmers are potentially beneficial, regardless of motive. The world is living beyond its means. It would be good to have less muck in the air. Oil won’t last forever, and it would be pleasant to have an alternative sooner rather than later.”
Which is the typical material at the foundation of the modern left. However, if we breakdown his rationale…
[1] “The world is living beyond its means.” Counter: REF1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Lincoln_Simon Counter: REF2: http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/there-is-no-shortage-of-stuff/
[2] “It would be good to have less muck in the air.” NOX, SOX, are already scrubbed from modern western coal plants. Does he have an issue with H2O vapour and CO2 Plant Food?
[3] “Oil won’t last forever.” Coal To Liquid (CTL) anyone, again not a problem as cost-effective, robust solutions are already available and would kick into play as soon as the OIL price stays above a trigger level long enough to prompt investment.
[4] it would be pleasant to have an alternative sooner rather than later.” Provided it’s a cost-effective, robust solution it will be “pleasant” if it’s a replacement with a more expensive, unreliable energy system such as Wind, Solar, etc. it won’t be “pleasant”.
The foundations of our democratic way of life is an informed society, not just an opinionated one. Now that the Third Estate has lost all credibility, we are forced to scour the web and read the msm between the lines.
Remember Pravda, under the dictatorship of the proletariat it was pure satire.
This worries me. I am looking very hard for a job (any job) and all I see are initiatives that will make it even harder for me to find one.
I, for one, wish to apologise on behalf of all Australian’s (though I probably represent a diminishing few not under the thrall of the Grand Poobah Gore), for our elected Prime Minister. Apparently he is about to launch a campaign of “shock tactics” to teach the world leaders the errors of their CO2-belching economic ways:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/6081443/rudd-plans-shock-tactics-for-un-talks-on-climate/
I hide my head in shame… ironic it is that the one person vocally calling for answers on climate change (i.e. why there has been no noticeable warming in the last decade etc) is a self-professed dyslexic senator (Fielding) from a fringe party.
We live in strange times…
Kath @ur momisugly 13:19:53
Obviously that headline :“Melting Ice Caps Expose Hundreds Of Secret Arctic Lairs” was a misprint…..’lairs’ should be ‘liars’!
I notice, recently, on the Sydney Morning Herald website we’re no longer able to “have our say” on articles relating to cliamate change.
Also, the media is now flooded with articles/news items etc on TV, radio and in the papers too.
Unfortunately, most Australians have fallen for the AGW CC BS hook, line and sinker.
To Robert E. Phelan (15:09:04) : who said to Stephen Skinner (13:49:44) : on his information that the lemmings did not rush over the cliff edge..
“Actually, I was NOT aware of that… one learns something new all the time. The image is so ingrained in our language, however, that it conveys a certain truth without necessarily being true. Much as GEICO means no disrespect to Neanderthals (who actually had brains about 10% larger than ours) I meant no offense to lemmings, who are, I’m sure, noble and sensitive creatures.”
Was it not King Canute who held back the wave of lemmings?
I think you all need to read it again. It’s honest, true and you could add almost any speculative trendy scientific theory in place of climate change there. I can think of a dozen off the top of my head. That’s what happens in science! No the debate isn’t any longer about the science because that will take time to correct because powerful reputations and lots of grant money are at stake. You need to stop the flow of grant money to stop the bad science. Best thing skeptics can now do is try to help steer policy towards an avenue that won’t make things worse. The public help here because not one of them is prepared to pay any carbon taxes. That’s why cap and trade was invented – because politicians know most folk are too dumb to realize it’s just a fancy name for a tax. So insist on a real, transparent tax that the “67% green” public can then reject.
No it’s not about socialism you wingnut ideologues. It’s a mix of cognitive dissonance, madness of crowds, egotistical self-promotion, self-righteous middle-class angst and plain old-fashioned greed. The same combination of human frailties that brought about the Iraq war, the Washington consensus, the propping up of latin dictatorships or a thousand other bad policy decisions. And why not try looking in the mirror before you accuse any left-wingers (as if such a thing even existed in US politics) of not facing facts. You wingnuts have cornered the market on that specialty. If you’d actually even read any left wing press then you’d have been well prepared for the current market depression because they all predicted it. Thanks, they predicted, to the greed, fear, sloth and stupidity of the bonus-laden bankers and traders in this rotten trickle-up system and the Chigago-school economists who promoted the absurd, uber-optimistic belief that markets are self-correcting. Worried about future energy costs? Get real! The real problem is the depression you are in now. A few bright ideas for getting out of this hole would be more pertinent than worrying about falling in the the next one.
JamesG (17:58:15) : Ron Paul in 2012 right?
Someday science/engineering may be able to achieve scenario 3, but right now (and the foreseeable future) the only way to do so is to ruin the economies, and put millions of people out of work in every major industrial nation.
AGW is the revenge of all those kids who were completely baffled by science in high school. Science is now what you believe to be science. No need to make your brain hurt by actually trying to understand.
I still want to know…..where are the hurricanes? We were promised hurricanes. I am so totally disappointed.
“Note they don’t include a mini Ice Age resulting from reduced solar activity”
Aah, delightful quote of the week.
Oh wait. Wishful thinking strikes again!
Have we come full circle to Pagan beliefs now? We had better all start praying to the Earth Mother Gaia or the forces of Chaos shall overwhelm us.
Actually this may not be a bad thing… wasn’t there stuff about prancing around nekkid at the Henge and celebrating fertility at the solstice?
I, for one, welcome our new (or is that old) Pagan overlords.
Hmmm if only that other mob hadn’t made white gowns so unfashionable…
I, too, apologise for what my country Australia has said and is doing. This country, with a population then of under 10 million, produced some outstanding science and scientific leadership when I was a youngster starting out.
Now, in my later years, I cannot even comprehend of a person so stupid as to write “There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right”.
Please accept our shame.
because politicians know most folk are too dumb to realize it’s (Cap and Trade) just a fancy name for a tax.
Cap and Trade isn’t a tax. It’s a form of rationing.
The purpose of Cap and Trade and the reason it is mandated by the UN as the solution to AGW, is to funnel large amounts of money out of developed countries. Carbon taxes would in contrast retain the revenues at the national level.
I’ll note that France famous for thumbing its nose at the international consensus and doing what is best for the French has just announced a carbon tax.
And if you are looking for someone to blame for the USA’s current economic state then blame Japanese and then Chinese savers who resolutely refused to spend their money. This money then flowed in particular to the USA where it funded excess consumption. They are now taking their money back.
Socialism is just a shorthand for the One World government through the United Nations crowd generally indistinquishable from the moderate to far left.
Just how awful is the UN?
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/09/just-how-awful-is-un.html
Is it Faifax which is owned by the Murdoch’s? What else could you expect from a Scientologist? Maybe he should get a grip of his ‘Coke’ cans a bit harder!