Bill Gates to Control Hurricanes: DOH!

From the “would you, could you, with a boat department”. Bill goes macro. The Simpsons are cited by patent watcher.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

I guess Bill has been talking to the G-8 people and their temperature control ideas. Note to Bill: nature will squish you and your ideas like a bug. In the meantime with ACE values being low according to COAPS Ryan Maue and Steve McIntyre showing cooler temperatures on the SST map for Gulf Coast hurricane development areas, it looks like they may have to wait a year or two to try out their ideas. The idea? Basically, ship mounted pumps to circulate cooler water from below the thermocline to the surface by forcing surface water downward first. Good luck with that. – Anthony

Spoof photo from the New York Post

One force of nature vs. another: Bill Gates tries to stop hurricanes

By Todd Bishop on Techflash

A diagram from one of the newly disclosed Gates and Myhrvold patent filings, depicting a deployment of hurricane-supression vessels in the Gulf of Mexico.

Recent patent filings have shown Bill Gates and his friends exploring subjects as diverse as electromagnetic engines and beer kegs. Now they’re thinking even bigger — trying to stop hurricanes.

Microsoft’s chairman is among the inventors listed on a new batch of patent applications that propose using large fleets of vessels to suppress hurricanes through various methods of mixing warm water from the surface of the ocean with colder water at greater depths. The idea is to decrease the surface temperature, reducing or eliminating the heat-driven condensation that fuels the giant storms.

The filings were made by Searete LLC, an entity tied to Intellectual Ventures, the Bellevue-based patent and invention house run by Nathan Myhrvold, the former Microsoft chief technology officer. Myhrvold and several others are listed along with Gates as inventors.

The diagram at right is from one of five related patent applications made public this morning. So how exactly do they plan to stop hurricanes? Here’s an excerpt from the filing that explains the diagram.

Vessel 100 is a tub-like structure having one or more walls 110 and a bottom 115. Vessel 100 may be held buoyant in the water by one or more buoyancy tanks 120 which may be used to maintain the buoyancy of vessel 100 and further may be used to control the height of walls 110 above the water level. Vessel 100 also includes a conduit 125 whose horizontal cross section is substantially smaller than the horizontal cross section of the tub portion 130 of the vessel defined by walls 110. In an exemplary embodiment, conduit 125 extends well below the ocean surface including depths below the ocean’s thermocline.

In most circumstances, most of the sunlight impinging on the ocean surface is absorbed in the surface layer. The surface layer therefore heats up. Wind and waves move water in this surface layer which distributes heat within it. The temperature may therefore be reasonably uniform to depths extending a few hundred feet down from the ocean surface. Below this mixed layer, however, the temperature decreases rapidly with depth, for example, as much as 20 degrees Celsius with an additional 150 m (500 ft) of depth. This area of rapid transition is called the thermocline. Below it, the temperature continues to decrease with depth, but far more gradually. In the Earth’s oceans, approximately 90% of the mass of water is below the thermocline. This deep ocean consists of layers of substantially equal density, being poorly mixed, and may be as cold as -2 to 3.degree. C.

Therefore, the lower depths of the ocean may be used as a huge heat/energy sink which may be exploited by vessel 100. When vessel 100 is deployed at sea, waves 135 may lap over the top of walls 110 to input warm (relative to deeper waters) surface ocean water into tub 130. Tub 130 will fill to a level 140 which is above the average ocean level depicted as level 145. Because of the difference between levels 140 and 145, a pressure head is created thereby pushing warm surface ocean water in a downward direction 150 down through conduit 125 to exit into the cold ocean depths (relative to near surface waters) through one or more openings 155. In an exemplary embodiment, the depth of opening 155 may be located below the ocean’s thermocline, the approximate bottom of which is depicted as line 160. This cycle will be continuous in bringing warm surface ocean water to great depth as ocean waves continue to input water into tub 130. If many of vessel 100 are distributed throughout a region of water, the temperature of the surface of the water may be altered.

“Many” is the important concept there at the end.

Gates, Myhrvold and associates aren’t the first to propose reducing the ocean’s surface temperature as a means of suppressing hurricanes, said David Nolan, an associate professor of meteorology and physical oceanography at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science.

“Every couple of years there’s a news story that gets picked up for some hurricane-suppression idea,” Nolan said via phone this morning. “They’re all kooky in their own way. Some of them are more plausible than others, but they all face an enormous problem of scale. … You would have to cover an incredible area with this effect to reduce the temperature of the ocean by a significant amount.”

Of course, a big difference in this case is that one of the people making the suggestion is one of the world’s richest men. But don’t look for Gates to fund the deployment of thousands of these vessels. One of the patent filings proposes paying for the equipment through the sale of insurance policies in hurricane-prone areas, in addition to funding from state, federal and local government agencies.

Patent watcher “theodp,” who tipped us off to the filings, says he was reminded of “The Simpsons” as he read through them. “The richest man in the world hatches a plan to alter weather and ecology in return for insurance premiums and fees from governments and individuals,” he writes. “It’s got kind of a Mr. Burns feel to it, no?”

The hurricane-suppression patent applications date to early 2008, but they were first made public this morning.

These and previous Searete LLC patent filings are believed to result from brainstorming sessions regularly held by Intellectual Ventures, in which Gates has been known to take part. It’s not clear how or when Intellectual Ventures might go forward with any of these ideas.

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DocWat
July 13, 2009 4:19 am

What happens when it rains on one of these “boats” and reduces the surface density by 3.5%. would it shut down until mixing of the water restored the salinity? Would a hurricane actually have the unmitigated gall to rain on these and shut them down?
Bill, as a Louisiana boy, I was wondering about the cost difference between a regular house with your insurance and a reinforced house on stilts with no insurance?

Mark Fawcett
July 13, 2009 4:21 am

King of Cool writes:
“Steve Fielding is under intense pressure from all sections of the media and has really earned my respect in the way he is standing firm to his convictions. But he hopes to meet with Al Gore in next few days and will ask him to give an explanation.”

Indeed, and if I know Aussies, then they will _not_ take kindly to Mr Gore declining the debate; they can tell when they’re being bullsh*tted and don’t like it one bit :o)
Cheers
Mark.

Ryan C
July 13, 2009 4:31 am

Gotta love those computer models:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1132106.html

Doug Lavers
July 13, 2009 4:40 am

Assuming the whole idea of cooling the Gulf is feasible, I wonder what will happen to the Gulf Stream?
Europe might take a frosty view of the whole idea.

Mrs Whatsit
July 13, 2009 4:47 am

Ronan: “I’m sure a lot of you are convinced that I and others with my views are crazy and/or evil.”
If only you could have left the ad hominem projections out of what is otherwise a rational and interesting comment! In my experience it is liberals, not conservatives, who imagine that only crazy or wicked people could disagree with them. Conservatives are more likely to think that those who disagree are dumb or poorly informed (not you, obviously — whether or not your ideas are substantively correct, your post is clearly that of someone who has read and thought about the subject at hand) but they don’t as often invest their politics and science with the attributes of religious faith, not to mention prejudice and stereotyping, in this way.
Spend more time here and you’ll see that one of the best things about this site is that civil debate takes place in the comments and dissenters are not treated like jerks — as long as they don’t act like jerks themselves by assuming that the rest of us are jerks right at the beginning of their remarks.
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Philip_B
July 13, 2009 4:58 am

But he hopes to meet with Al Gore in next few days and will ask him to give an explanation.
Al Gore couldn’t explain how a lightbulb worked. An Inconvenient Truth made me squirm with embarassment that someone so hopelessly ignorant of the science could be so proud to advertise that ignorance.
Anyway, I’m Australian and will vote for Senator Fielding’s party at the next election. Even though I wouldn’t have remotely considered such a vote in the past. Not only has Fielding made the right stand on the economy destroying climate change circus, he has shown considerable personal character in doing so.
I predict a real shock result in the next Australian Federal election. A lot of people think like me.
Note to American readers. The Australian electoral system has a proportional representation system for the senate, where seats are allocated on the total percentage of votes cast. Senator Fielding’s party only polled about 2% in the last election. I predict nearer 10% in the next election.

tallbloke
July 13, 2009 5:11 am

DocWat (03:55:36) :
I was wondering if anyone wanted to do the math. Seawater density varies with temperature, salinity, and (possibly) dissolved gases (or lack thereof). What water head would be needed to force warm, less saline, seawater to a depth of 200 meters?

A damned interesting question.
Have you got $300 to spare?
http://www.routledge.com/books/Temperature-Salinity-and-Density-of-the-Surface-Waters-of-the-Atlantic-Ocean-isbn9789054102380
And can I borrow it afterwards?

tallbloke
July 13, 2009 5:22 am

Or on a cheaper ticket, wikipedia says:
The density of surface seawater ranges from about 1020 to 1029 kg·m-3, depending on the temperature and salinity. Deep in the ocean, under high pressure, seawater can reach a density of 1050 kg·m-3 or higher.
Looks like Bill might have problems persuading the surface waters down the pipe.
The thing is, Warm surface water must transfer heat downwards somehow, otherwise we wouldn’t have had ~16mm of thermal expansion in the oceans between 1993 and 2003, as measured by the satellite altimetry.
I’ve been wondering if the tropical waters are more saline due to higher evaporation, then move to higher latitudes in wind driven currents where there is more precipitation and so lower surface salinity, and then sink. I’m only speculating, and I’d love some answers.

Fred from Canuckistan . . .
July 13, 2009 5:46 am
Paul R
July 13, 2009 5:55 am

King of Cool (03:42:54) :
Steve Fielding is under intense pressure from all sections of the media and has really
earned my respect in the way he is standing firm to his convictions. But he hopes to meet with Al Gore in next few days and will ask him to give an explanation. Maybe we will have some new light on the AGW theory coming out of Sydney! If he cannot satisfy Fielding, watch this space, there may be a murmur of thunder from down under.
Sorry for being cynical but Australia’s ETS will pass through our Senate faster than Bill’s interest accumulates once the Malarkey bill goes through.

Don S.
July 13, 2009 5:59 am

Sounds like they left out more parameters than a Hansen climate model. Intellectual Ventures? More like Happy Hour and cocktail napkins.

Mike S
July 13, 2009 6:08 am

I am fully expecting some genius to propose the strategy that was used in the Matrix Trilogy – to permanently scorch the atmosphere so that sunlight cannot get through.

Johnny Honda
July 13, 2009 6:10 am

The madness of “climate change” has no boundaries:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8146995.stm
“Scientists” found out, that coldness is not so great as assumed and that it is also possible to die due to coldness and not only due to heat.
Almost 250 children had to die to persuade the “scientists” of that fact.
Now conmes the REALLY strange part:
Global WARMING is to blame for the cold (!!?!?).
All this stuff cannot be taken seriously since a long time.

deadwood
July 13, 2009 6:18 am

Hubris – \ˈhyü-brəs\:
Exaggerated pride or self-confidence.
(Miriam Webster on-line dictionary, 2009)
Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance.
(answers.com definition, 2009)
Bill Gates’ patent to mitigate hurricanes.
(Watts Up With That, 2009)
And I thought Al Gore was delusional.

ruralcounsel
July 13, 2009 6:24 am

Let’s make a giant leap of faith and assume that this could actually work as advertised. (And ignore whether there even is any AGW.)
Seems like this massive interference in the natural oceanic vertical mixing should at least require some sort of environmental impact study based upon the exact location and the myriad numbers of species of oceanic life that live in that locale. And have no doubt, to be significant enough to impact a hurricane following an indeterminate track, the area/amount of cooler surface water needed would have to be huge..
Global warming theory advocates collide with environmental extremists! Greenpeace attacks Bill Gate’s flotilla! Hurricane drowns them all.
This could become a reality TV show.

Ryan C
July 13, 2009 6:25 am

An article about how cold summer has been and not one mention of “climate change” What a surprise.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1785341

theBuckWheat
July 13, 2009 6:28 am

Not only does Gates have the resources to do this, but the most important assset has not been mentioned: a pass from the enviros.
Recall how loudly a plan to seed areas of the Pacific with iron to encourage plankton blooming was loudly shouted down. We must not mess with the fagile ecosystem! Hubris! Too risky! But this scheme was self-limiting and did not involve expending large amounts of money or energy, just a few tons of plankton-friendly iron atoms. The instant that the seeding stopped, the bloom would too.
Happly, the evidence that contradicts AGW is growing faster than its advocates can whine, spin, and hyperventilate. And the public is starting to catch on to this massive con job, are are not surprised to find it finally out in the open that this is far more about power and money than it is about saving the planet.

TJA
July 13, 2009 6:35 am

This is one of those fish-in-a-barrel posts. I am not going to waste brain space thinking about this nutcase idea.

João Oliveira
July 13, 2009 6:40 am

No news here… the basic idea is – is and always has been – to know where a butterfly beats its wings…
João

Arn Riewe
July 13, 2009 6:44 am

Ronan (21:28:57) :
“I’m a liberal, am fairly certain that humans are having a significant (and dangerous) effect on global climate, and look on the near future of humanity and Earth with a distinctly worried eye. In other words, I’ve not exactly much in common with most of the posters here, and I’m sure a lot of you are convinced that I and others with my views are crazy and/or evil.”
“Crazy and/or evil” are terms normally reserved for far left use. I, as a non-catastrophist, respect someone that believes in AGW and can show the rationale that he/she uses. Unfortunately, when we are branded as “deniers, traitors, flat earthers, don’t believe man landed on the moon, etc., who are the ones that are implying “crazy and/or evil”

David L. Hagen
July 13, 2009 6:45 am

Philip_B.
“I have one, but unfortunately don’t have Bill Gates money to hire the lawyers to try and extract royalties from the companies infringing on my patent.”
There are legal firms that will take your case on contingency for a (hefty) share of the rewards if they win. If you have at least one solid patent claim and clear infringement, find a contingent fee lawyer/firm and go for it.
See: “patent contingency fee” or
patent contingent fee

David L. Hagen
July 13, 2009 6:58 am

While Gates et al. describe using wave action to pump warm water down, Lovelock, Rapley etc. address artificial upwelling. e.g., see: Ocean pipes could help the Earth to cure itself
JE Lovelock, CG Rapley – Nature, 2007 – nature.com
Citations to Lovelock & Rapley

Dane Skold
July 13, 2009 7:02 am

Bill is going to turn the ocean into a BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!

Joel
July 13, 2009 7:10 am

The whole idea is hilarious. I wonder how soon they will talk of trying the same technology to curb El Nino. Let’s just wait and see.

fredlightfoot
July 13, 2009 7:13 am

Ah, perhaps he would like to feed the worlds starving millions? Well a friend of my second cousin of my aunt Frances brothers sister has just got a patient for a cow with tits at both ends.