Gore / Nazis – two words I thought I’d never see together, and never wanted to. Yet here it is in a story in the Times Online. Surprisingly, Hollywood has been exploiting this linkage for years. I suppose the appearance of a proof of Godwins Law was inevitable, given how long the global warming discussion and Gore have gone on.
Does anyone else besides me get the impression that Al Gore is really reaching now? At the end of this post, Mr. Gore listed only two possible future questions, I’m sure our readers can fill in some of the missing ones. – Anthony
Addendum: I wonder, did Gore get paid for this speaking engagement “sponsored by The Times” and if so, is The Times responsible for creating this “news” where there would be none otherwise? – Anthony
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE:
The Times : before and after – click for larger images – thanks to Kate for the 3rd one
Apparently reacting to criticism, The Times has changed the title of the article to remove the word Nazi, and the title takes an entirely different meaning. See the before and after screencaps above. (thanks to Bishop Hill) There is no mention of why. But they forgot to change the base HTML which still has the original title.
At right is The Times story headline now and the HTML source of the page showing the original title intact. Click thumbnails.
Here below is my original link to the story, unchanged:
Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with Nazis
[snip- the parallels you make are just too ugly for discussion here, sorry – Anthony]
From above: “Greenshirts” is a great term for Hansen and his accomplices!
I like the term “Gang Green”, that someone used here in a previous post.
I had to take the word “Nazi” out of our spam filter, since so many posts were getting caught by it.
I had never ever, wanted to have Nazism be a discussion on this blog, and had deleted such references in the past so as to not incite further. But when Gore makes it headline news, what choice do I have?
– Anthony
Already here —-
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/nyregion/26ecocops.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss
Larry
I am sorry to say that the only reason there is such a push on the man made Global Warming front is that it has become nothing more than a grab by individuals for money, by scientists for funding, and by governments for power and control. They have to pass Cap and Trade in the U.S. before it gets colder and the hoax is exposed.
My background was chemistry so I am more of a scientist than Al Gore. Whenever I tried to have a reasonable discussion with the Global Warmers I was taken aback by the degree of vitriol these people spew in your direction when they determine you are not onboard. So, instead of the discussions I am used to when talking about science where people actually put their heads ‘together’ to arrive at the TRUTH, it turns into an adolescent food fight. I can only say that the experience is similar to discussions with religious fundamentalists. They have all the answers, don’t bother them with the facts, the debate is over.
I know this sounds farfetched but is it possible they may make us “Global Warming Deniers” outlaws? If you had told me that CO2 was going to be classified as a pollutant 5 years ago I would have thought that was farfetched.
To follow the WW2 analogies and to cast an eye to the proposed cap-and-trade legislation:
US Cap-and-trade proposal:
“Never before in history have so many given so much to so few for so little benefit.” (with apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)
Realising that pseudo-science only worked for a limited time they use what works best in politics… a strong emotional reaction. Cute polar bears and all those other “nature” pictures did not work so what else is left… The Crusifixtion? naaa.. only a small fraction of humanity believe that.
They use the same sort of tactique in Quebec when they talk about separation. Logic tells people they should not separate but when they use strong emotions with almost-racist terms, yeah they get a few more people.
The use of strong emotions in political statments has always and will always get people on-board. Soldiers die all the time because they got “called” by emotional speeches.
Anthony, I understand. The parallel is not mine, though.
Desperation time … The snows of winter, piling up it seemed like forever, doomed the AGW hoax. And it looks like we are in for a repeat. The sun will not be denied no matter what name calling Al Gore uses.
Here is another truism worth noting — the ticking time bomb of unemployment will detonate when it’s ready.
By his analogy… all those who beleive in AGW are then the “Collaborators”. Well, the WW2 collaborators were also put on trial and executed.
L, I think the NAZI party ended with the Night of the Long Knives. They just kept the name and Hitler in place. Mussolini described fascism and fascism it was. Lose the Left-Right dichotomy; it’s a false creation to keep good people at each others’ throats. Every regular “leftist:” I know (they are my friends) is a great person who wants the best for themselves and for others. Every regular “rightist” (they are my friends) is exactly the same except they don’t want to pay quite as much for it. Both sides are completely mislead by their leaders who are the winkers and the nodders in this case.
July 05, 2009
Black Ribbon Protest of Cap-n-Trade
Dana Mathewson
Received from a friend in Virginia.
1.) BLACK RIBBON PROTEST AGAINST CAP AND TRADE BILL
(Black Ribbon for certain “death of American Economy”)
A nation-wide silent protest has started against the Cap and Trade
legislation that was rammed through the House of Representatives on June
26. This 1200 page bill was passed 219-212 after Representatives were
given less than 24 hours to read its contents. There is not a single
person in Congress who could have digested all 1200 pages in such a
short period of time. Below is a link to a great article on the bill and
how it will destroy our nation’s economy. It is all about control and it
is time for us to peacefully resist the tyranny.
ACTION ITEM
This protest is easy yet very visible and effective. Tie a black ribbon
made of any material available (strip of fabric, black garbage bag or
other material) on trees, streetlight poles, antennas and anything else
that you choose to decorate, or an armband, hairband or lapel ribbon.
The black ribbon represents the certain death of the American economy
that this bill will bring if passed. This will travel fast and will send
an extremely powerful message to all 100 senators that “We the People”
do not support this bill. We must not allow this legislation to reach
the President’s desk. Spread the word and let’s decorate the whole
country with black ribbons! (to be removed, of course, after the vote)
If you don’t know enough about how Cap and Trade will destroy the
American economy go here to read more.
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102627535330&s=2463&e=001yI3Qj3jYIEfF1GGNiMnkz_KMMnDybsAPsXQ_jpM5cYug7Ugd1PQjDtSOHXIk6D6dO19nRp09GWjlW9lZC2BFConfn7ta3lWey8tQM7tlIeyHCFJCFmDTR_iFJyd6ZWAjxeySSC3hHWZSHJVBQ2CxVaB0qVA7WUdgALDf8x2TYOofFMp3t-Sb-QSj_OK1ZrW8_DlSOctAgIw=
If this legislation reaches the President’s desk, he will change our
lives forever and sign away millions of American jobs with one stroke of
his pen. We can’t allow that to happen.
From http://tbirdnow.mee.nu/black_ribbon_protest_of_cap-n-trade
A little OT:
This report:
http://www.scienceblogs.de/primaklima/G8_Scorecards_2009.pdf
prepared jointly by the WWF and the Allianz insurance giant, and distributed to the media and policy makers, compares CO2 emissions and progress on mitigation for the G8 countries. When noticing France AND Germany in similar places on the list, I looked a little further. France, according to this report, has still fairly high emissions from electricity production. A small footnote under one of the graphs though explains why:
“WWF does not consider nuclear power to be a viable policy option. The indicators “emissions per capita”, “emissions per GDP” and “CO2 per kWh electricity” for all countries
have therefore been adjusted as if the generation of electricity from nuclear power had produced 350 gCO2/kWh (emission factor for natural gas). Without the adjustment, the
original indicators for France would have been much lower, e.g. 86 gCO2/kWh.”
So basically, France’s CO2 emissions from electricity production are produced by ideological bias, not by fossil fuel combustion.
This “new scientific method” seems to become more and more accepted practice. If your data does not fit your ideology, change the data.
That they even blantantly admit it shows how acceptable this process now is in certain quarters.
Conservative&denialist (11:46:09) This is “called psychological projection”, Agreed! but further, it is a common political ploy being used more often in the past couple of years, it seems to me. Label your opponent with the worst that descibes your own tactics, so the label can’t be used on yourself first.
If you assume that a war to save the planet from CO2-driven warming is analogous to the war against Nazism, then the strategy of Taxman/Malarkey is equivalent to a D-Day invasion of Bermuda.
I just got off the phone to every single RINO senator, and all the Dem senators.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
TO THE BARRICADES, FOLKS!!!!!!!!!
Just thank your lucky stars he didn’t use the analogy of Galileo and the unbending Catholic Church.
“Mr Gore, who brought the issues around climate change to a mass audience with the 2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth, said the great hope for the future lay in a high level of environmental awareness among young people.”
How about just continuing to do some good f—— science instead and let people decide for themselves, Al?
Tried to look through the thread to see if anyone had noted this, didn’t see it…maybe it happened just a bit ago…
It seems they’ve changed it over at the Times…
It now reads:
“Al Gore invokes spirit of Churchill in battle against climate change
Al Gore invoked the spirit of Winston Churchill today by encouraging political leaders to follow the example of Britain’s wartime leader and unite their nations to fight climate change. …”
Still shows up in Google with the original headline:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=al%20gore%20nazis%20site%3Awww.timesonline.co.uk&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Gore’s comments make us “collaborators”.
See you in Nuremburg!
The “average age in the Mission Control Center” was 26?
Maybe, if you had 100 “meter readers” with specific functions, watching a gauge, and flipping a switch to respond to something. Remember, the “RAM” on the Lunar lander was like 80 KB in size. (So a LOT of functions were performed by HUMANS not machines.)
However, if one talks the DEVELOPMENT group, the 70 plus GERMAN rocket scientists who were CRUCIAL to this effort, were all in their 40’s and 50’s.
Speaking about the term “Naught-Sies” (notice the side step on the filter, Anthony!), the developers of the system to do Apollo probably included quite a few who bore that identity about 25 years previous.
Evidently A.G. doesn’t believe people can (and do) change. Climate change, but NO personal “change”.
Of course, then A.G. gives a good example of a personality set in “stone”.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/07/small-businesses-irate-climate-change/
I like the black ribbon idea.
The skeptics are not the one “burning the books” here. It is they who take previous records and expunge or alter them, replacing as if nothing had changed. Had it not been for the work of Anthony and others exposing the station mess, I would never have known what was happening. Nor would I have taken a hard look at weather records.
Looks as though they’ve missed changing the title of the html page to match new headline for the time being, as well.
Churchill has got to be rolling in his grave.
Another wise farmer:
http://www.agweb.com/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?src=U.S.FarmReportMailbag&PID=e269632a-eb49-4e44-94e2-bbc3e6ce5e65