Gore / Nazis – two words I thought I’d never see together, and never wanted to. Yet here it is in a story in the Times Online. Surprisingly, Hollywood has been exploiting this linkage for years. I suppose the appearance of a proof of Godwins Law was inevitable, given how long the global warming discussion and Gore have gone on.
Does anyone else besides me get the impression that Al Gore is really reaching now? At the end of this post, Mr. Gore listed only two possible future questions, I’m sure our readers can fill in some of the missing ones. – Anthony
Addendum: I wonder, did Gore get paid for this speaking engagement “sponsored by The Times” and if so, is The Times responsible for creating this “news” where there would be none otherwise? – Anthony
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE:
The Times : before and after – click for larger images – thanks to Kate for the 3rd one
Apparently reacting to criticism, The Times has changed the title of the article to remove the word Nazi, and the title takes an entirely different meaning. See the before and after screencaps above. (thanks to Bishop Hill) There is no mention of why. But they forgot to change the base HTML which still has the original title.
At right is The Times story headline now and the HTML source of the page showing the original title intact. Click thumbnails.
Here below is my original link to the story, unchanged:
Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with Nazis
What a pathetic desparate little man Gore has become.
His comparason on the Nazi to AGW is absolutely correct but as usual he is hidding the truth. It is known that just like for AGW, bankers, industrialists and some politiciens helped Hitler rise to power. They promoted him in order to make lots of money off the world. Also, the Socialist Party was probably the first ever Green Party ever created. They were the first ones to have created environmental protection area.
But Mr. Gore should remember then end of WWII… those that helped and supported Hitler were put on trial and executed. When is Nuremberg II ?
Greens ARE nazis:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html
Gore’s analogy should be turned on its head.
He says, “the threat from climate change was (sic) as urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany,” when the inverse is true. It is the monetization and regulation of carbon that invokes Nazi Germany.
I was inputting numbers into a carbon calculator I found on the internet and was shocked by this declaration:
The average footprint for people in United States is 20.40 tonnes
The average for the industrial nations is about 11 tonnes
The average worldwide carbon footprint is about 4 tonnes
The worldwide target to combat climate change is 2 tonnes
The average footprint in Canada is 20 tonnes. My footprint came in at under 10 tonnes, less than half the average, but I can scarcely imagine how restricted my life would become in order to reduce to 2 tonnes annually. It would not be unlike a hunterer-gatherer lifestyle; a stark contradiction to the material world we currently enjoy.
Also, being curious I inputted Gore’s known electricity consumption from 2006 of 191,000 kwh. His carbon footprint from electricity alone (with no consideration of plane trips, vehicle usage, heating bill, steak dinners, or clothes shopping) totalled 112 tonnes.
It is not difficult to deduce Gore’s motivation as it most certainly cannot be saving the world from climate change. His moral adjudication of us “have nots” is not only hypocritical, it is despicable.
http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx
John Silver – good point . How long had the V2 technologr been around before we got to the moon ? How long have wind and solar technology been with us . Surely , in that time , someone would have found a way to make them viable as a large -scale power source without government mandates and subsidies . ( Yeah , I know , but space tech was part of an overall weapons development program ).
UK Sceptic – another good point .
The Nazis openly admit to being greens
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/
My favorite from the “Hollywood” list is Tras el cristal (1987) where a former Nazi doctor turned pedophile.
Well, gosh, what could be worse than a being a former Nazi doctor? Being a pedophile, of course. So does that mean Gore is pulling his punches?
This is the same Dr. King:
“Andrei Illarionov, former chief science adviser to President Putin:
… in respect to the presentation made by representatives of the so-called official team of the British government and the official British climate science, or at least how they introduced themselves at the seminar. I personally was surprised by the exceptionally poor content of the papers presented…
Simultaneously, they revealed an absolute—and I stress, absolute inability to answer questions concerning the alleged professional activities of the authors of these papers. Not only the ten questions that were published nine months ago, but not a single question asked during this two-day seminar by participants in the seminar, both Russian and foreign, were answered.
When it became clear that they could not provide a substantive answer to a question, three devices were used… The British participants insisted on introducing censorship during the holding of this seminar. The chief science adviser to the British government, Mr. King, demanded in the form of an ultimatum at the beginning of yesterday that the program of the seminar be changed and he presented an ultimatum demanding that about two-third of the participants not be given the floor.The participants in the seminar who had been invited by the Russian Academy of Sciences, they have been invited by the president of the Academy of Sciences Yuri Sergeyevich Osipov. Mr. King spoke about “undesirable” scientists and undesirable participants in the seminar. He declared that if the old program is preserved, he would not take part in the seminar and walk out taking along with him all the other British participants.
He has prepared his own program which he proposed, it is available here and my colleagues can simply distribute Mr. King’s hand-written program to change the program prepared by the Russian Academy of Sciences and sent out in advance to all the participants in the seminar.
A comparison of the real program prepared by the Academy of Science and the program proposed as an ultimatum by Mr. King will give us an idea of what scientists, from the viewpoint of the chief scientific adviser to the British government, are undesirable. In the course of negotiations on this issue Mr. King said that he had contacted the British Foreign Secretary Mr. Straw who was in Moscow at the time and with the office of the British Prime Minister, Blair, so that the corresponding executives in Britain should contact the corresponding officials in Russia to bring pressure on the Russian Academy of Sciences and the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences to change the seminar’s program.When the attempt to introduce censorship at the Russian Academy of Sciences failed, other attempts were made to disrupt the seminar. At least four times during the course of the seminar ugly scenes were staged that prevented the seminar from proceeding normally. As a result we lost at least four hours of working time in order to try to solve these problems.
During these events Mr. King cited his conversations with the office of the British Prime Minister and had got clearance for such actions.
And thirdly, when the more or less normal work of the seminar was restored and when the opportunity for discussion presented itself, when questions on professional topics were asked, and being unable to answer these questions, Mr. King and other members of the delegation, turned to flight, as happened this morning when Mr. King, in an unprecedented incident, cut short his answer to a question in mid sentence realizing that he was unable to answer it and left the seminar room. It is not for us to give an assessment to what happened, but in our opinion the reputation of British science, the reputation of the British government and the reputation of the title “Sir” has sustained heavy damage.”
It’s the mad hatter’s tea party
Shanta (10:00:33) :
Interesting article. So basically,
1. If there is cooling trend , it’s all natural.
2. If there is a warming trend, human’s contribution is written ALL OVER IT!!!
Neither can be proved or disproved. But it doesn’t matter, just shut up and pay your carbon tax as we advance our one-world socialistic agenda.
Al Gore says it is “appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentation of how dangerous it is”, so why should we believe his representations?
Here’s the difference, Mr. Gore.
The Nazi’s were real.
The article provided does not actually put the word “Nazi” in Mr. Gore’s mouth, let alone suggest that skeptics of AGW would be those Nazi’s in that formulation. If anything, if one wants to push that icky analogy, skeptics would be Baldwin, Chamberlain, and the America First Committee!
Have we really gotten to the point where you can’t slather love on Churchill’s leadership abilities and political courage without being accused of calling political opponents Nazis? Really?
How a world leader can disgrace the public trust with lies [those two last questions]….is beyond me.
Begs the question. Is it mental illness? Or is he just not that bright??
Could he be stricken with the same madness that Hansen and his Nazi illusions to the coal trains??
NO Mr. Gore. Future generations will be asking THIS question:
How was the greatest scientific hoax since the days of the Inquisition, propagated for so long, with so much boldface and blatant deception, and with such blatant disregard to so many dissenting scientists, physicists, and specialists throughout the world??
THAT is the question they will be asking.
In the meantime we will sit back and watch Gore, Hansen, Waxman and others continue to trip on their words and shake in their boots…as their new world religion slowly starts to fall apart.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
So which is worse; having a bunch of “science realists” acting like “nazis” to imperil mankind and the planet by ho-humming climate change; or to have a bunch of borderline criminally insane “control freaks” frantically trying to do real damage to the planet, and its people; just to feather their own political nests ?
I hope the warmists are covering their rear ends, to prepare for the contingent liability they will face; when their whole phony house of cards finally comes tumbling down; and it will come tumbling down. And if you are a “scientist” who is aiding and abetting this bunch, because they pay for your research funding (using our money); get used to the ridicule that will be your legacy.
I can’t believe some of the clap trap that passes for science, in that discipline called “Climatology”.
George
Hopefully this is the, “End of the beginning” for the global warming scam.
The Science is settled
There is a consensus
eugenics
Who’s calling who a Nazi
Hansenitis seems to be spreading. However, Gore at least only equates the perceived problem to Naziism, and doesn’t explicitly equate his opponents to Nazis. They, by implication are more like Chamberlains than Goerings.
Paul Krugman, on the other hand (see link to NYT column in the first comment above, by Lichanos), equates dissent itself to “treason” (to the earth). So when do we lock the traitors up?
“Greenshirts” is a great term for Hansen and his accomplices!
It’s interesting that Big Al feels he has to remind his followers that his implied use of the label “deniers” (e.g. Holocaust deniers) is to be understood as synonymous with the label, “Nazis.”
GerryM (10:29:10) :
Do you have a link?
“”” P Walker (10:22:42) :
John Silver – good point . How long had the V2 technologr been around before we got to the moon ? How long have wind and solar technology been with us . Surely , in that time , someone would have found a way to make them viable as a large -scale power source without government mandates and subsidies . ( Yeah , I know , but space tech was part of an overall weapons development program ).
UK Sceptic – another good point . “””
It’s very simple; the “solar constant” is about 1366 Watts/metre squared, which translates to about 1000 W/m^2 on the ground (best case peak) but averages onl;y 168 W/m^2 long term.
So no matter the technology that translates into simply huge areas of land required to be dedicated to renewable green energy collection. It’s a little more efficient than clambering around in fig trees gathering figs; but not by much.
Remove ALL of the subsidies for these green energy revolutions, and see how many of them remain viable; they aren’t even viable with the subsidies (which come at the cost of a whole lot of fossil fuel energy profitable private enterprise.
Gore’s plan….
Shut down our energy production, shut down our factories, everyone go on welfare and live off of the Gov. Hum, wait a minute, who is going to pay the taxes to support that?
I bet China will like that very much, they will gladly use all the oil and all the coal and take all the production they can get.
Fire up the windmills boys…we need to see the light! But captain, the wind, she’s a not blowing. Well than, turn on the solar panels, we can’t see in here. But captian, it’s night time. Well than, turn on the batteries. But captian, they are banned due to all those heavy metals. Well than, just start a fire and burn some wood.
Gore is right about his two questions, but incomplete. There are two more in play “3) You spent HOW MUCH on a problem that didn’t really exist?! You couldn’t wait for the evidence to become more conclusive as to what whas happening and what was causing it?” and “4) Those guys wanted to spend HOW MUCH on a problem that didn’t really exist!? Thank god you stopped them.”
But one or the other of those sets of two questions will be in play fifty years from now, make no mistake. Either the skeptics go down as snivelling appeasers who weren’t willing to make hard choices when history called, or as heroes who saved untold treasure to be spent in better pursuits. Either the AGWers go down as the worst black eye ever self-inflicted in the history of science, or as heroes.
It WILL be one or the other.
Another eye-rollin’ moment as Mr. Gore really starts to shovel it.
GerryM,
Do you have a link to the article?
A sad yet succinct commentary on the “science” of climate change.
I barely use any energy compared to most, live quite a simple existence, eat once or twice a day (I have a couple of protein shakes to make up for it), don’t drive, walk everywhere. These online carbon calculators say I use 3 tons of CO2 annually and that I need to reduce that by a third to get rid of my “guilt”. In order to eliminate that third I would have to literally do nothing, stay in bed and hardly ever eat or wash. Some economy we would have if everyone did that. Within a year or two, millions of people would lose their incomes from the diminished consumer market and across the poorest parts of the world there would be incredible amounts of famine and violence.
Sounds like green heaven. The New York and Los Angeles rich live, the poor die off, and the world’s population is reduced to just enough to sell crap movies and shite music to.
This use of the term Nazi belittles the fact that we USA,Britain,Australia,and New Zealand,all fought to destroy militant Fascism. My own late Father-in-Law:
Normandy,Battle of the Bulge,the Brige at Remagen,Aachen-and Dachau. Dachau.To have someone throw the term Nazi out should tour the Holocaust Museum.Or set down with an old fading vet and hear the story first hand.Any one who uses that phrase or tactics has no idea what the real Nazis were like.Unless they might be jealous…