Gore / Nazis – two words I thought I’d never see together, and never wanted to. Yet here it is in a story in the Times Online. Surprisingly, Hollywood has been exploiting this linkage for years. I suppose the appearance of a proof of Godwins Law was inevitable, given how long the global warming discussion and Gore have gone on.
Does anyone else besides me get the impression that Al Gore is really reaching now? At the end of this post, Mr. Gore listed only two possible future questions, I’m sure our readers can fill in some of the missing ones. – Anthony
Addendum: I wonder, did Gore get paid for this speaking engagement “sponsored by The Times” and if so, is The Times responsible for creating this “news” where there would be none otherwise? – Anthony
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE:
The Times : before and after – click for larger images – thanks to Kate for the 3rd one
Apparently reacting to criticism, The Times has changed the title of the article to remove the word Nazi, and the title takes an entirely different meaning. See the before and after screencaps above. (thanks to Bishop Hill) There is no mention of why. But they forgot to change the base HTML which still has the original title.
At right is The Times story headline now and the HTML source of the page showing the original title intact. Click thumbnails.
Here below is my original link to the story, unchanged:
Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with Nazis
Very clever propaganda. He doesn’t actually call us deniers/skeptics/climate realists Nazis, but the implication is certainly there. This ties in very nicely with the statement by Grist Magazine’s staff writer David Roberts, who wrote on September 19, 2006, “When we’ve finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we’re in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these bastards — some sort of climate Nuremberg.” Then, we have Hansen with his recent statements “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains” and “Coal-fired power plants are factories of death”, thus invoking the Holocaust, and even the “denier” label they use for us equates us with Holocaust deniers”. Yes, indeed, a definite pattern. And these are but a few examples.
Yes, they are indeed getting desperate, but even more dangerous to humanity.
Churchill is rolling over in his grave.
How dare this charlatan invoke the name of that hard-nosed realist who’d have dismissed this nonsense with a shrug and left the AGW’ers tearing and choking in a cloud of cigar smoke as he proceeded to face the real threats to civilization.
KLINK
Prisoners. From time to time, as commandant of Camp Thirteen, out of my own free will I bring you news, of the war of which you are no longer a part. (pause) Things continue to go well for the all-victorious 3rd Reich.
There is some muttered reaction from the prisoners, which the guards attempt to repress. Klink raises a tolerant hand.
KLINK
(continuing) You would wish it otherwise, but it is necessary to deal with facts. New and powerful weapons [of fear] continue to pour from our factories — I have just returned from a nearby Panzer division, completely equipped with the new and secret “Hurricane tanks,” which will crush resistance like an eggshell.
There are WHISTLES of derision from the POWs, which the guards seek to quell. Klink becomes a litle angry.
KLINK
(continuing) The Allies would love to get their hands on one, believe me!
Klink then composes himself, and goes on:
KLINK
(continuing) However. As prisoners, you should look upon this latest weapon of the invincible Third Reich as another guarantee that the war will soon be over. Dismissed!
Hogan steps forward and salutes Klink.
HOGAN
Colonel Klink.
Klink returns the salute.
KLINK
Yes, Colonel Hogan.
HOGAN
This panzer division, with the new Hurricane tanks… you said they were west of here?
KLINK
North. (immediately, suspicously) What is that to you?
HOGAN
Just – asking.
In this exciting episode, Algore IS Colonel Hogan! Adapted from “Hold that Tiger!” Written by: Richard Powell, June 4, 1965.
D. King (09:11:25)
I about spit out my Diet Coke on that one.
what were you thinking, didn’t you see the North Pole melting before your eyes?
Is he speaking for future generations or Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer?
Al’s doing a lot of flying lately, and soon to be in Melbourne, Australia, that’s a lot of nasty CO2 (In Australia, the NSW gummint shows us CO2 are little black balloons, floating up into the sky to kill the earth. No hang on, the Sun will do that, eventually).
Oh but wait, he owns a UK based “carbon trading” company, he’ll buy his own offsets, from himself and offset that cost against, well, tax. He’s rich too, bring on that wealth tax, that’ll shut him up (One can only hope).
HAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6643750.ece
Yes, folks. Even though sea level has been falling around the Maldives its president is pleading for help and comparing it to defending Poland against the Nazi invasion.
Who wrote his script?
It’s interesting that Mr. Gore feels he has to remind his followers of the implied use of the label “deniers” (e.g. Holocaust deniers). After all, even the Nazi Holocaust would appear to be a lesser crime against humanity than the unspeakably evil alleged destruction of the entire Earth by manmade global warming.
snip – ad hom
But it won’t be the climate scientists that will pay is it? They will be long retired. As usual, just like with the bwankers, it will be the little people to pick up the pieces and have a 10% rise in income tax, as a result of their fraud.
Shawn Whelan (10:38:22) :
Hopefully this is the, “End of the beginning” for the global warming scam.
We’ll know soon if it will beginnning a new beginning or just ending.
If they succeed then we’ll know its true face.
Gore likens himself to Winston Churchill fighting the Nazis. In reality, the more appropriate WWII leader analogy would be Joseph Stalin through the autocratic methods he’d implement.
Keep talking, Al.
Probably this will be as costly as WWII, so it isn’t surpricing that Gore make this comparison. This is the logical continuation of this insanity, but isn’t he realize that a climate realist then can be regarderd as immoral as a nazi?
A bit offtopic: A talk show interview with prof Lindzen, where he mention his problem recently as eine Denier to get a rug appraiser:
http://audio.wrko.com/m/audio/24111309/richard-lindzen-global-warming-denier.htm
An oriental rug site mentions this important event:
http://www.rugrag.com/post/Burnt-Rug-Appraiser.aspx
It’s good to see that the awareness about slandering of realists penetrates through our rug society. First they come to deny our burned rugs…
Politicians have to be a bit brave now and stop this CO2 mania!
For Al Gore to make any kind of comparison between the potential hazards of global warming and the real war against Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany during World War II can only mean one thing –
Although I think Al would make a much better Potsie than the Fonz.
It seems to me that when Al lost his bid for the presidency, he got his feelings hurt. He may have felt that the whole world hated him. He went off to hug some trees and after quite some time came up with a plan to pay everyone back for the disgrace he felt he had suffered. What better plan than AGW. This way he could pay everyone back for the anguish he felt at losing the presidency and also make a considerable amount of money. It always comes down to power and money. I think this may be why it seems he is going through life not listening to anyone except the people that are also proffiting from this scam.
That corpulent (deleated alliterative participle) clown has sunk lower than whale (deleated noun). Never underestimate the self-righteous stench of a megalomaniacal con man.
Perhaps if he is made to eat enough of the (deleated noun) he is still trying to sell, he will collapse into a singularity–thereby supplying us with an inexhaustible power source we could actually use.
“Save the Planet–Feed Al Another Bearclaw” Perhaps that should be polar bear claw?
I don’t know which is more abhorrent: the fact that Gore is implying that skepticism over AGW is equivalent to Nazism or the fact that he is casting himself in the role of Churchill.
Unfortunately, many in our congress have already swallowed this [bait], hook, line and sinker. Dems in the senate will feel compelled to offer SOMETHING in response to Obama’s call for a climate bill. There seem to be only a handful of conservatives who have realized that the “crisis” is in fact, a fantasy.
This is “called psychological projection”, where the unconscious mind reveals itself to external observers without noticing it.
as Max said above: Keep talking, Al.
“The Fish Is Caught From Its Mouth”
Godwin’s law should be fleshed out in the details of evolutionary nature. Many posts ago, I suggested an antemortem to the AGW debate made up these parts:
1) Honest scientists investigate a rise in CO2 and temperature having conceived of the idea from the atmosphere of Venus’s CO2-temp. An investigation on earth gives some support to a theory of C02 rise creating temp rise.
2) Broad interdisciplinary studies are done and funds seem to be available for more and more, creating a motive for drowning out dissenting science.
2) The theory shows signs of unravelling when dissenters start amassing scientific facts that refute the theory
3) When the theory begins to be falsified, scientists of integrity begin to step over to the other side.
4) Only the shrill residue, who have made extravagant claims: 100months to save our planet; new world high temp record within 3 years (two years ago), Ice gone in five years, the Maldives underwater by 2100 (or earlier?), etc. remain. No new science is done. No refutation of new science. Just shrill hyperbole, personification of those holding apposing view as evil, nazis etc and a desperate rush to push politicians to reverse CO2 (get rid of the evidence) to hide the truth that AGW theory is dead.
I believe their argument had invoked Godwin’s law from the beginning by using the term “deniers” when the first dissent began to emerge.
“Most men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and continue as if nothing happened.”
Winston Churchill
Gore gets away with saying silly things because almost none of us know the real history of WWII (we do know the equipment, the battles, the officers, etc.) or WWI for that matter. Hitler was not bankrolled just to make money for the industrialist/banker classes as the shallow excuse goes. Like AGW it’s the media that makes it all possible.
The addendum query is spot on.
Algore suffers from a common problem on the left- they fall for their own propaganda, in this case the myth propagated by the education industry, that the the Nazis were a “party of the right.” Not to belabor the point with this group, but does “National Socialist German Workers Party” sound like a bunch of conservatives? The only politician of that era entitled to call the Nazis “right wingers” was Stalin. He despised them not because they were ideological opposited, but because they were dangerous rivals for leadership of the far left.
Today liberals still make the same claim and, for once, they’re telling the truth about themselves. They are somewhat left of Fascism
Mr. Gore has it backwards. Fighting climate change believers is like fighting the Nazis because both are narrowminded and hate filled. Both believe propaganda without proof. It is the skeptics who are asking for proof all the while showing how wrong you are.
I just wish I had 5 minutes to question Mr. Gore. I would ask him one simple question: would you be willing to stand before an impartial panel to debate with a skeptic? Of course the answer would be no, because facts are a climate change advocate’s worst nightmare. The skeptic would. The Nazis would do no such thing like Mr. Gore would not. The parallels are clear between the AGW crowd and Nazis, yet somehow it is the skeptic crowd who is nothing like Nazis who are the Nazis. Go figure.
It is nice to see that several posters have picked up the irony, probably unknown to Gore, that Hitler was himself an environmentalist. On paper, you couldn’t do better.
Resume A. Hitler: Hitler is a visionary leader, who is working hard to improve local environments for (most) Germans to enjoy. His latest project is a blanket conservation area surrounding the Black Forest region of Germany, in which all commercial development is banned. He hopes to improve this still more by continuing to relocate manufacturing into regions further east. Hitler is also a strict vegetarian and non smoker.
When you throw mud, be careful none sticks to yourself.