UK's Met Office loses 25% of its funding

It appears that all is not well with the idea of “climate forecasting” as the Ministry of Defence pulls the financial rug out from under the Met Office climate program. Now how will they pay for the electricity to run “deep black”, the 1.2 megawatt supercomputer they just purchased?

Phil Jones may have drain the moat and sell access to his climate data lists and code to pay the bills.

From the Register, UK

Weather soothsayers lose £4.3m

By Austin Modine

Story excerpts:

The Met Office, home of UK weather soothsaying, is getting its climate research budget chopped by a quarter after the Ministry of Defence ended financial support to focus on “current operations.”

A loss of £4.3m ($7m) funding will hit the Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change, according to the science journal Nature. The research institute provides the government with bleeding-edge computer models indicating which parts of the UK should stockpile sunscreen and floaties for the coming Thermageddon.

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The UK Met Office Deepens The Moat

Phil Jones: the Secret Agent in Hawaii

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95 thoughts on “UK's Met Office loses 25% of its funding

  1. As someone pointed out on another blog a few days ago, the Nature News item that is quoted in the Register blog post has this gem from Gavin Schmidt:

    “Climate research should be as open and transparent as possible,” says Schmidt, “and institutional links with the defence establishment can sometimes impede that goal.”

  2. The USA is going to save the planet by limiting CO2 just in America, they don’t need to spend any money. The great one, Obama and the US Congress will save all mankind with climate change polices.

  3. Kind of (but not really) OT, it’s funny that the hockey team still doesn’t realize that their buddy politicians are going to throw them under the bus as soon as it is politically expedient.

  4. If anyone NEEDS accuracy, it’s the military. Guess Phil & Co. didn’t cut the mustard
    DaveE.

  5. “Now how will they pay for the electricity to run “deep black”, the 1.2 megawatt supercomputer they just purchased?”
    Rent out the ‘puter to London bookies.

  6. Terry (17:59:22) :
    “Kind of (but not really) OT, it’s funny that the hockey team still doesn’t realize that their buddy politicians are going to throw them under the bus as soon as it is politically expedient.”
    This comment caught my eye: so true. Hell have no wrath like a politician cornered. Once it is realised just how non-existent the “science” behind global warming is, and therefore just how bad (and damaging) resulting legislation has been, its going to be a case of “those scientists’ lied to us”. The most interesting to watch will be Al Gore. Notice how he doesn’t really commit himself, but always uses the “scientists’ tell us” approach. Fortunately, in his case at least, I don’t think the plausible deniability will work.
    Fortunately we have a Senator in Australia who has the balancing vote in the upcoming carbon tax legislation vote (our version of Cap and Trade). He is trying to understand the basics of the science: ie why, if CO2 continues to increase steady, temperature isn’t. Like anyone who starts to try to understand man-made global warming, he’s beginning to realise it’s a crock.

  7. “The pull-out will be the first time Met Office climate research has gone without MoD money. For several years now, the MoD has been the Hadley Center’s primary customer and funder for climate modeling.”
    The war against the Western economy’s must be over, just like Iraq It’s Mission Accomplished.

  8. Haha… Gavin Schmidt’s utterances are hysterical… I’ll believe him when pigs fly.

  9. “Now how will they pay for the electricity to run “deep black”, the 1.2 megawatt supercomputer they just purchased?”
    Maybe they could use a bicycle type contraption, with a dynamo, at their computer desks and pedal while they work thus producing electricity to run their computers?
    Hmm. But wouldn’t that produce more CO2?
    Maybe I can raise a few million in research grants to find out?!

  10. “Rathtyen (18:24:15) :
    Terry (17:59:22) :
    “Kind of (but not really) OT, it’s funny that the hockey team still doesn’t realize that their buddy politicians are going to throw them under the bus as soon as it is politically expedient.”
    This comment caught my eye: so true. Hell have no wrath like a politician cornered. Once it is realised just how non-existent the “science” behind global warming is, and therefore just how bad (and damaging) resulting legislation has been, its going to be a case of “those scientists’ lied to us”. The most interesting to watch will be Al Gore. Notice how he doesn’t really commit himself, but always uses the “scientists’ tell us” approach. Fortunately, in his case at least, I don’t think the plausible deniability will work.
    Fortunately we have a Senator in Australia who has the balancing vote in the upcoming carbon tax legislation vote (our version of Cap and Trade). He is trying to understand the basics of the science: ie why, if CO2 continues to increase steady, temperature isn’t. Like anyone who starts to try to understand man-made global warming, he’s beginning to realise it’s a crock.”
    Of course it’s crock however, he’s still a pollie and when he realises he can “feather his nest” even more, he’ll vote it in. I’ll put $50 on him signing up for the ETS fairly soon.

  11. Well The met office has been accurate with temperatures so far – well above average for the last 4 weeks+
    They have now predicted temperatures in the 30s (C of course!) for this week in SE England.

  12. “Now how will they pay for the electricity to run “deep black”, the 1.2 megawatt supercomputer they just purchased?
    Prophetic…… Pedal faster Nigel!

  13. It is sort-of true-ish that the Met Office’s predictions have been generally accurate-ish for the last month or so. In relation to temperature. But not rain. A prognostication of teeming rain caused my weekly round of golf to be cancelled in advance twice, only for both days to have been cloudless and perfectly suited to low quality sporting endeavour.
    They have actually had it pretty easy for a few weeks because there has been no test cricket (test matches are 5-day games between international teams). No test match = fine weather; test match = good chance of rain unless England are losing. We take on Australia in a 5-match series starting next week. Get your umbrella ready.

  14. And they expected what – a never-ending gravy train? The feel-good, agenda-driven science might wrap itself in the plight of the poor polar bear, but MOD is driven by a need for results; get it wrong too often and the MOD folks will look to cut their losses, just as politicians most everywhere seem to be quick to cut military spending.

  15. Steven Hill (17:59:15) “. . . by limiting CO2 just in America,”
    Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).
    At least I saw that mentioned – haven’t been sent a copy of the full text yet.

  16. Is that “dart board weather station” a photo of the Met Office’s new computer?
    But where’s the power cord?

  17. The Met office has been promising me thunderstorms and rain for the past two weeks. Not a drop. Not one drop of rain in a fortnight. Is this Britain, I hear you ask?
    They got the 2008 summer forecast (hottest summer on record) as wrong as it’s possible to get. They got the 2007 summer forecast (hottest summer on record) just as wrong. If they’re using their climate modelling software and it’s not tallying up with actual weather, then clearly the weather must be wrong.
    Idjits.

  18. bill (19:29:17)
    The warm fortnight in June will be a fond memory if we have the same bleak summer school holidays we had for the last two years, not predicted by the Met. office. I hope there isn’t a repeat of the unpredicted weeks of snow we had earlier this year, in a few months time. I suspect too many squaddies may have complained of being frozen on Salisbury Plain.

  19. It is unfortunate, no matter what their politics, that funding is being cut for Met Office functions in Britain.
    I believe that there are many good people in the Met who strive to bring us the best data and analysis.
    The wackos at the edges (yes even those in positions of influence) cannot prevail against the evidence. In the end “truth will out!”.
    It is very sad to lose funding for science – it can happen anywhere at anytime. I for one refuse to gloat.

  20. Bill,
    They may getting temperatures close, but have you noticed that on the BEEB at least, no two Met Office forecasts are the same and that the weather tomorrow in the UK will not be that forecast today.
    Take last Friday. All week the met office forecasters on the beeb were telling us it would be fine all week then rain all weekend. Rain Friday, beautiful weekend. Spot on. Not.
    If they can’t forecast for tomorrow with any accuracy, why should we give their climate predictions for a hundred years hence any credence?
    As an aside, being ex-RAF, wonder whether the reduction in MoD funding means the Met Office forecasters at military bases are at threat from redundancy?
    Cheers
    Bil

  21. John F. Hultquist says:
    “If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).:
    Ok, So tell me what happens when American companies want to export products somewhere? Do you think that the US trading partners are simply going do nothing while the US imposes arbitrary import duties in the same of ‘saving the environment’.
    In fact, I believe the bill actually exempts exporters from the CO2 limits which means that any trading parter could do the same for their exporters and claim that they have “equivalent” regulations.
    The bill better die in the senate or the US will be in for some major economic hardship which will unfortunately affect people around the world.

  22. We are supposed to having a HEAT WAVE in the UK right now, that is according to the Met Office. Where I live it is currently 15C, dull and damp, and that is spread right across the whole region. With forecasts like these it is little wonder that the MoD are cutting their suport for the Met Office.

  23. FatBigot
    …but no tennis at Wimbledon lost to rain (yet). Didn’t you just know that putting that retractable roof on centre court would guarantee a dry summer?

  24. Craig Moore (18:03:21) : “Now how will they pay for the electricity to run “deep black”, the 1.2 megawatt supercomputer they just purchased?”
    Rent out the ‘puter to London bookies.

    And put the bookies on to Piers Corbyn

  25. I hadn’t heard about this, but I’m not surprised, the Army needs every penny for bullets etc. and they don’t need the Met Office to tell them that Afghanistan is hot. Our own Dear Leader, Gordon Brown, has crocked the nation’s finances; winning two elections for the Great Leader, Tony, by creating the illusion of prosperity by borrowing, then being caught out by the global economic downturn and having to borrow even more. Basically we have no money and there are big cuts coming in health, education and defence, let alone climate change. The only up-side is that we cannot afford to join in with the orgy of self-flagellation that is CO2 reduction, and hopefully the politicians will want to quietly sideline the issue.

  26. I cannot think other than claiming Global warming/Climate Change, as a done deal beyond reproach, is to ask for a P45.
    “Thank you, MMCC point proven, now join the dole queues behind car workers, power workers and all the others that you have put out of work.
    PS do not tell them what you did for a living, and please retrain as we no longer need any doom-mongers or alarmists.”

  27. “The research institute provides the government with “bleeding-edge” computer models indicating which parts of the UK should stockpile sunscreen and floaties for the coming Thermageddon.”
    Was this just a typo or did the writer mean it? Bleeding us dry maybe.

  28. As I commented on another blog – “Shouldn’t be a problem. Surely it can’t cost very much for a laptop and printer capable of printing “The next summer will reach record high temperatures followed by a much-warmer-than-average winter” from a .txt file.
    They’re going to be correct sometimes, on the same basis as the “stopped clock” theory.

  29. John F. Hultquist (22:31:07) :
    Steven Hill (17:59:15) “. . . by limiting CO2 just in America,”
    Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).
    At least I saw that mentioned – haven’t been sent a copy of the full text yet.
    Reply not sure Obama agrees.
    “…..but he expressed reservations about a controversial provision that would slap tariffs on imports from countries that did not similarly crack down on greenhouse gas emissions.”
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-energy29-2009jun29,0,1735155.story

  30. F Ross.
    It works through piezoelectronics. What they do is run a large number of simulations (i.e throw 500+ darts) and, hey presto, plenty of electronic and precisely no predictive power.

  31. Slightly OT but UK related.
    This is a legal decision subject to appeal, but if it stands AGW is now pretty close to being a religion. At an employment tribunal, Nicholson v Grainger PLC and others ET 2203367/08, the claimant persuaded the tribunal that his belief linked to concerns about AGW are protected under the Religion or Belief Regulations as it affected most aspects of his life, choice of home, means of travel, etc. If AGW is an article of faith there is no more need for rational proof.

  32. The Met office originally was a sound idea.
    “1854: The Met Office is founded to provide information on the weather and marine currents to the marine community. This small department of the Board of Trade is headed by Vice-Admiral Robert FitzRoy, RN”.
    Source; The History of the Met Office.
    Defence of the British Isles and our overseas interests, meaning the Royal Navy (when we had one) was always the primary role of the Met Office, especially when weather and currents were a primary concern for ships dependent on sail.
    Up to and beyond the WWII, the Met office has provided many crucial forecasts for the military, the DDay landings spring to mind. With Britain’s diminished world role, the Met office is now more concerned with domestic forecasting. Casting around for a ‘world role’ it has been increasingly drawn into the AGM controversy.
    The Met office employs many dedicated and skilled staff. The increasing politicisation of it, and loss of its primary function has led it to losing its objectivity(IMHO).
    If one looks up the home page of the Met Office and then click onto ‘science’ the headline that greets is “How we create weather forecasts”, an unfortunate use of words I think but kind of sums it up.
    We in the north of England are having a ‘heat wave’, temps in the low/mid 70s, which was predicted by the Met office, so fair dos.
    Tom.

  33. Fatbigot and others;
    The reason they forecast a wet weekend was the Glastobury Festival. That usually guarantees a downpour or several. Glastonbury just ain’t the same without six inches of mud for the boys and girls to frolic in.
    This lack of rain at Wimbledon is also a bit spooky. If at least one test match isn’t rained off, this whole climate change thing will start to look real!

  34. Jeff Todd (02:39:18) : …“Thank you, MMCC point proven, now join the dole queues behind car workers, power workers and all the others that you have put out of work…
    Jim Turner (02:02:19) : …Gordon Brown, has crocked the nation’s finances; winning two elections for the Great Leader, Tony, by creating the illusion of prosperity by borrowing, then being caught out by the global economic downturn and having to borrow even more….

    Could you point ot workers who have lost their jobs directly as a result of climate change financing?
    This country has been crippled by being a poodle to USA and following them into Iraq and Afg. and by the financial institutions being incompetant and buying sub-prime loans from freddie may and johnny mack (or whoever) in the USA, and by the incompetant bank staff paying themselves ny backhanders beyond avarice. 6 months prior to the crunch banks made £9*10^9 profit 2 months after the crunch The peasants have to pay them £9*10^9 because they gave their profits away!! Climate costs so far are insignificant!!!!!!

  35. Jim Turner (02:02:19) :
    …The only up-side is that we cannot afford to join in with the orgy of self-flagellation that is CO2 reduction, and hopefully the politicians will want to quietly sideline the issue.
    That’s not what has happened in Scotland where the idiot politicians have just passed our Climate Bill which commits us to 42% cut in CO2 emissions by 2020! If ever evidence was required for politicians living in an parallel universe this must be it. By the way it is 18’C here, at 1pm BST, when the Sun is at it’s highest – so the Met Offices long heralded heat wave has yet to reach here.

  36. Communist (01:01:10) :
    “It is very sad to lose funding for science – it can happen anywhere at anytime. I for one refuse to gloat.”
    Yes, if its science. But science does not allow one to hide the data and methods.
    There is more real science being done by Svensmark and Miskolczi and here at WattsUpWithThat than by these modelers. We are seeing detailed mechanisms proposed here by which Miskolczi’s 1D theory could operate.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/14/the-thermostat-hypothesis/

  37. “Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).
    At least I saw that mentioned – haven’t been sent a copy of the full text yet”
    That sounds like a good plan for massive inflation.

  38. Jim Turner: “The only up-side is that we cannot afford to join in with the orgy of self-flagellation that is CO2 reduction, and hopefully the politicians will want to quietly sideline the issue.”
    And yet, Britain has already not only joined in the orgy of self-flagellation, but has been the first to do so. Leading the world in profligate idiocy, parliament voted for all this in the “climate change bill”. We now live in the first country in the world which claims to be be able to change the global climate by government edict. Age of stupid or what?

  39. Think that the problem for the MO is perception.
    Most of this month in my little corner of the UK has been a never ending (seemingly) blanket of low cloud moderating both nightime and daytime temps.
    The problem comes in that lets suppose the cloud is there all day we have a very small movement in max/min. (1) The other day for example it was 17 at 3:30am and rose to a massive 20 at midday. Average let’s say 18.5.
    (2) Some days this cloud is broken by mid day and we have a rapid rise to 26 for an hour or two. Max/min 17/26 – average 23.
    (3) Occasionally the cloud is not there at all and Max/min is 9/26 average 18 or so.
    My point is that the public only consider the (3) type of day to have been hot. The MO, using the technically correct (2), then say that was “warmest day since” or “hotest June since …” and the public calls BS on them. What they remember is the lack of (3) days not that it was still 18 at 3am when they are tucked up in bed.

  40. Has the state decided to end funding of the secular religion of global warming? They can always restore funding many years down the road if a little warming returns.

  41. “Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).”
    They should ask a couple of guys named Smoot and Hawley how that kind of thing turns out.
    Not to mention that our new Chinese financial overlords will Not Be Amused.

  42. Good. This politically biased institution needs to have 100% of its funding cut and let it go completely private. This week we have been told there is a heatwave, and yet it is only UHI-dominated areas of the overbuilt south-east that are seeing anything like the temperatures the MetO give as “national maximums”. Just today at the lunchtime weather we saw the whole of the UK coloured in swathes of red, despite many parts being around the seasonal average. It beggars belief the lengths this institution will go to in order to convince the gullible that our climate is changing.

  43. The conclusions made by the MoD that climate change is not a serious threat stands in steep contrast with the US point of view that describes climate change as a threat to the strategic interests of the US and the US military world wide.
    So, besides the fact that there is no consensus among our scientists we now see the same happening among the UK versus US military.
    Sometimes budget cuts help us to get the real facts on the table.
    I see the MoD move to retract her Met Office Budget as a pragmatic step to reduce the defense budget and a substantial weakening of the climate change doctrine.
    Especially because the MoD is part of the British Government.
    We now have a situation in Britain where part of the Government is wrecking the economy to fight climate change and another part of the Government simply states
    “There is no problem”.
    I can only say that I welcome this step and hope that many more influential Defense Ministries will cut there climate research budgets for the same reason.

  44. Rathtyen – Al Gore is far too closely associated with global warming alarmism to have any kind of plausible deniability if/when AGW is discredited. He’ll probably end up moping around on the political fringe with Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich.
    But we should be very worried about what kind of damage it will do to science. All the politicians and media figures who have staked their own credibility on AGW will be looking for a scapegoat, and they’ll be desperate to blame everything on scientists and environmentalists.

  45. I think we should refer to Gordon Brown as “Our Beautiful Leader”, a’la North-Korea!
    25% is one hell of a pay cut. Perhaps this is crunch time for AGW in the UK. They have claimed elsewhere that the net money will stay the same, with the £4.3M difference coming from other sources. Either way it will mean cuts for somebody somewhere! Of course it would be too cynical to say that during a heat wave is the ideal time to produce oodles of scare stories about climate catastrophe & Fluffy the Polar Bear & all his little friends at the North Pole. Fluffy has no more friends at the North Pole, the prat went & eat them all!
    OT. Perhaps some of this £4.3M could be put to better use by the MOD for little niceties for the troops, you know like patrol vehicles that prevent ones leg being blown off (or worse) by an IED instead of wasting 4 years & squillions of taxpayers’ pounds not getting the job done! The history of this particular episode is appalling & shameful. No wonder our Amercian allies look worried when our troops are requested, they’ll wonder what they’re getting. The British Army has been starved of funding for 12 years, the RAF has tons of dosh for 250 planes, few of which are every put for any campaign use. Robbing Peter to pay Paul springs to mind. I’ll say no more it is too painfully humiliating & this is neither the time nor place. Apologies pl feel free to snip as required.

  46. PS Just in case, this was NOT an attack on British troops, but the political system that put them in the mess they’re in, in the first place!
    AtB

  47. To Kevin B (04:20:56), Fatbigot and others;
    I don’t think they built the roof over the centre court at Wimbledon to keep off the rain. I think it was so that Sir Cliff Richard wouldn’t have any reason to get on court for one of his impromptu sing-alongs.
    (They must rank as some of TV’s most cringing occasions ever. In my opinion.)

  48. Richard Heg (03:45:24) :
    John F. Hultquist (22:31:07) :
    Steven Hill (17:59:15) “. . . by limiting CO2 just in America,”
    Reply not sure Obama agrees.
    “…..but he expressed reservations about a controversial provision that would slap tariffs on imports from countries that did not similarly crack down on greenhouse gas emissions.”
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-energy29-2009jun29,0,1735155.story
    Interesting… Don’t apply the tariffs and you put domestic producers at a disadvantage, apply tariffs and you sparks trade wars. Either way, the law of unintended consequences prevails. This is mindless!

  49. Pwince (Up)Chuck will get in his jet and do a fund raising tour to get the money. I have faith in him. He has to prove global warming to deflect attention from his adultery. /sarc

  50. I think most people in the UK think weather forecasting is now an even bigger joke than it used to be in the past.
    The Met Office are never happier than when they are putting out their Severe Weather Warnings and the latest ploy is to dictate how we should look after ourselves in a heatwave. I know heatwaves are not as common in the UK as they are in some parts of the world but most of us have managed to live through them before without weather forecasters all of a sudden becoming health experts. If their pay cut stops this nonsense I’m all for it!
    We must remember that the current panic is based purely and simply on the fact that it is likely to get a bit ‘ot in London in the next couple of days. In the US you have the Beltway; over here we have the M25. According to our MSM (and those who feed them) anything happening outside that doesn’t really exist. The 5-day weather summaries on the BBC’s Ceefax facility last night showed nowhere else across the UK with temps above the mid-20sC. North-east coast and east Scotland is barely getting out of the teens.
    We peasants tend not to bother over much about these things; we just take off another layer or open the odd window and drink lots of cool beer till things go back to normal.
    When we go back to drinking hot tea!

  51. Re: bill (04:47:29)
    Bill, I didn’t suggest that climate change has been a major cost to the UK so far, just that past borrowing to help fund a government spending boom (tripling of health service expenditure, for instance) followed by more unexpected borrowing to fund a ‘Keynsian’ response to the economic downturn, has left the UK in a bad financial position – big debts combined with falling tax revenues. Although Gordon seems to be in denial, most commentators seem to agree that big cuts are going to be necessary in government spending, including – real pain for the Labour Party -the NHS.
    In the light of this, hobbling the economy with expensive plans to combat greenhouse gasses might be a decidedly unattractive way to go into an election.

  52. This is what it’s been all about from the beginning– all the data hoarding, data laundering, reluctance to discuss or engage on the issues, refusal to explain statistical methods, etc.: they were petrified that if the truth became known, i.e. that their claims were dubious and that their work product was inferior, that they would lose funding.
    Now it’s happening anyway. They are losing funding because of a deep recession causing a loss in tax revenue and a political scandal that is eating away at government credibility. Government is in the process of straightening out it’s affairs, and when that happens it means job losses and cuts.
    Maybe they will be more forthcoming with the data from here on out, but I won’t hold my breath. But as long as the temperatures continue to drop, the pressure for audit and review will increase.

  53. The UK Met Office have been forecast a heatwave for several days – it has duly arrived. Well done the Met office for another correct forecast.
    As to the funding cut, well, yes some people (those who reject scientific endeavour, those who reject the spirit of discovery scientists have, those who want science to find what they want it to find, those who know the answers, those who politics drives them to want not to find out the answer to questions) will rejoice. Myself I think it’s a sad day – if the cuts actually happen that is. But, then, perhaps I’m the only person here ever to have actually met and listened to a scientist from the Hadley Centre, to have seen they such people are not liars, or commies or lefties, or out to form a world Government or some such nonsense….

  54. Peter Hearnden (09:50:37) :
    “The UK Met Office have been forecast a heatwave for several days – it has duly arrived. Well done the Met office for another correct forecast.”
    Care to provide your sources?
    Here’s London Heathrow right now, in the hottest part of the day:
    27C / low of 16C. Forecasts do not rise to the level of “heatwave”.
    http://weather.msn.com/local.aspx?&wealocations=wc%3aUKXX0085&q=London%2c+GBR&setunit=C
    Here’s a report of the Met from a week ago (19 June):
    “The Met Office says it is too early to tell whether it will be a very hot summer this year, but the signs so far are that it will be warmer than our last two summers and conditions could well trigger its heatwave warning system.
    In London, this would mean daytime temperatures had exceeded 32C and night-time temperatures were over 18C degrees. In the North West, it would be 30C and 15C, respectively.”
    And here’s a current story:
    “Britain sizzles in heatwave”
    “The Met Office has issued a “heat health” warning for this week, with a 60 per cent chance of temperatures reaching 32C (89.6F) while night time temperatures in some areas could remain as high as 18C (64.4F).”
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090629/tuk-britain-sizzles-in-heatwave-dba1618.html
    A 60% chance of a nearfuture event? A “could be hot” summer forecast?
    89/64F just doesn’t sound like a heatwave to me.
    This does:
    “At 14:32 BST on Wednesday, July 19, 2006, it was confirmed that the previous highest July maximum temperature, (36.0 °C, 96.8 °F at Epsom, Surrey in 1911), had been beaten at Charlwood, near Gatwick Airport with a temperature of 36.3 °C (97.3 °F). Later it was confirmed that 36.5 °C (97.7 °F) had been recorded at Wisley, Surrey. This confirmed that the period of prolonged warm weather was a true heat wave. However, despite some predictions, the United Kingdom’s all-time temperature high of 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) attained at Faversham, Kent, on 10 August 2003 was not reached.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_heat_wave_of_2006

  55. Here in NE Oregon,we have had a cold,wet June.Today seems like summer with highs in the 80f. range.I got brave and put my tomatoes out.NOAA must use the same Ouja board.I feel there is a warm bias in the forecasting computer programs….

  56. DennisA (03:05:59) :
    “The research institute provides the government with “bleeding-edge” computer models indicating which parts of the UK should stockpile sunscreen and floaties for the coming Thermageddon.”
    >Was this just a typo or did the writer mean it? Bleeding us dry maybe.
    Bleeding edge is an IT term for experimental stuff that is probably not going to work – sums up the models quite well I thought.
    The Register is an IT news site with a reputation for irreverent reporting, but they also have some real journalists there (the kind who analyse rather than just regurgitate). Interestingly, the comments on AGW stories are now running much more skeptical than they used to a few years ago* – the IT nerds in the UK are not buying into the scare-mongering anymore.
    *Completely un-scientific, anecdotal evidence and therefore fully justifiable in the current “debate”!

  57. Peter Hearnden (09:50:37) :

    The UK Met Office have been forecast a heatwave for several days – it has duly arrived. Well done the Met office for another correct forecast.

    WOW! You mean they can actually forecast the weather and the end of the world? If we can’t shovel money at them then we could at least sacrifice a goat in their honour. If the budget gets squeezed too much they can move into my garden shed. It has a wind vane, barometer, thermometer and a piece of sea weed hanging outside. On a cold night the wife makes a chicken broth worth dying for.

  58. Peter Hearnden (09:50:37)
    “But, then, perhaps I’m the only person here ever to have actually met and listened to a scientist from the Hadley Centre,”
    WRONG

  59. “Peter Hearnden (09:50:37) :
    The UK Met Office have been forecast a heatwave for several days – it has duly arrived. Well done the Met office for another correct forecast”
    Sorry to dissillusion you Peter but the Met office aren’t predicting a heatwave as I know it. Click on temperature on UK map and go through the week.
    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_temp.html
    Apart from London [UHI in a valley] it’s not that hot, certainly not how it was years ago. And the orange shaded part, today Monday, was put on this afternoon. It wasn’t there this morning. So their prediction of hot weather in the midlands was made in the middle of the same day!
    I’m not saying it wont be hot in parts but they aren’t predicting it.
    cheers David
    REPLY: The Met Office forecast at the link above shows worst case 23C (75F) in Birmingham. 23C/75F is hardly a heat wave, and the remainder of the week is around 20C or less. – Anthony

  60. It strikes me that we are all missing the most salient point revealed by this story, which is the relatively great deal the people of the UK are getting for their money. Using the arithmetic I learned from the nuns in Catholic school, long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, the fact that $7 million equals a 25% cut would mean that their precut budget was $28 million. Hansen and the crew at GISS have been setting us back for over a billion/year for quite a while to rather incompetently replicate what NOAA is providing already at similar levels of cost and skill. Not to mention the other billions we are providing to fund highly cogent studies of ” The Effect of Global Warming on the Prevalence of Clubfoot in the Population of Three toed Sloths of Lower Patagonia” and thousands of other research topics deemed relevant for funding almost exclusively by the inclusion of the magical syllables “Global Warming” in the title. One could only wish that the taxpayers of the US would be subjected to so meager a dunning to pay for our daily dose of Warmisr propaganda as our compatriots in the UK.

  61. John F. Hultquist (22:31:07) :
    Steven Hill (17:59:15) “. . . by limiting CO2 just in America,”
    Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).
    At least I saw that mentioned – haven’t been sent a copy of the full text yet.

    Almost no one knows what was in that climate bill the House passed, especially the people who voted for it. Passing a bill without knowing what’s in it should be an impeachable offense, IMO.
    Does anybody remember Smoot-Hawley? The Smoot-Hawley Tarrif Act is responsible for making the recession of 1929 into the world-wide Great Depression.
    Of course, this legislation is worse than Smoot-Hawley because we have an historical example of how trade wars and tarrifs don’t work. But our leaders are so much smarter than they were 20 years ago. They’ll know what to do when the time comes.

  62. Andrew P
    “That’s not what has happened in Scotland where the idiot politicians have just passed our Climate Bill which commits us to 42% cut in CO2 emissions by 2020! If ever evidence was required for politicians living in an parallel universe this must be it.”
    Nothing new here though. Aristophanes had it summed up in “The Birds” back in x*10^2.441BC or whenever (too idle to look it up) – our leaders (LOL) and their hangers on in the Big Smoke (London to you foreigners) and our other capitals live in “Cloud Cuckoo Land.” They hardly seem to notice that we voters exist. But they will!

  63. China now burns more coal per day than the US, Europe, and Japan combined. And that is just “controlled” coal burning. Uncontrolled coal seam fires in China produce more CO2 than all the cars in the US.
    People who believe the US Congress can make a dent are beyond delusional.

  64. Heatwaves? Overhere in the Netherlands you need at least 5 consecutive day in wich temperatures reach 25 degrees or more and in that same period you need three (tropical) days with temperatures of at least 30 degrees.
    Its not even close to a heatwave this week, the last one we had was in 2006, the summer of 1947 is still the hottest on record with 16 tropical days (divided of 4 heatwaves). It may be hot here in the Netherlands at the moment, but it certainly is nowhere near any record. Its just weather.

  65. crosspatch (12:22:08) :
    China now burns more coal per day than the US, Europe, and Japan combined. And that is just “controlled” coal burning. Uncontrolled coal seam fires in China produce more CO2 than all the cars in the US.
    People who believe the US Congress can make a dent are beyond delusional.

    Don’t you understand that we will have the moral upper hand when talking down our noses to China and India? Imagine all the high praise from editor and columnists everywhere, especially in Europe for leading the world.
    That’s worth the cost, right? Besides, we had too good for too long in this country.

  66. The 42% cut in emissions in Scotland is going to be a good trick if we can do it. All this without nuclear power as well!
    It means reducing almost all human activity by at least half. Travel, heating, lighting.
    Breathing!
    Perhaps the eco-fascists would like to go first. I’d welcome a demonstration on how to reduce my personal CO2 output by half.

  67. Labour has cut the Defense budget significantly – so much so that the Navy cannot keep all its ships manned and ready. The drain of deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan put most upgrades in jeopardy. I’m not surprised something like the Hadley Center would get cut. The UK MoD can hire its own meterologists (and probably does) cheaper than depending on “Climate Change Central”.

  68. I believe ITER Fusion Experiment follow ons will be producing the electricity required in about 100 years. Unless the Polywell Fusion Reactor boys beat them to it.
    Another reason not to give up on coal prematurely: reliable sources of electricity will be required to run the climate models.

  69. I wouldn’t bank on the Met Office having a 25% cut. From what I read the same money will probably just come from a department other than the MOD.

  70. With regard to the much discussed “heatwave” here in the UK, the BBC has taken to showing a dramatic pale pinkish weather map with a small blood red spot over London which then expands to cover most of the country.
    Are they trying to tell (sell) us something?

  71. Ho, ho, ho,
    From the original article (suitable amended)…
    Quote:
    “”Our financial security will be threatened by this sceptisism about climate change, and the MoD is hopelessly wrong to think that they were purchasing honest science”” climate scientist Martin Parry told Nature.
    .

  72. The Met Office keep prediciting a sizzling summer. Sooner or later they’re going to be right due to the law of averages. And then they will be even more insufferable…

  73. ich (18:14:39) :
    Maybe they could set up a few windmills to run it.
    AnonyMoose (19:12:57) :
    I forecast an increase in predicted temperatures of 25%.
    M. Simon (13:12:37) :
    …Another reason not to give up on coal prematurely: reliable sources of electricity will be required to run the climate models.
    These remarks have made me laugh. Altough this sense of humour is only a minor one from the main characteristics which are making this site even better, but it adds a lot to the overall atmosphere. Comments and remarks like these are completely absent in the case of all major pro-AGW sites, including Realclimate, Climate Progress and Tamino/’Open mind’…

  74. ““But, then, perhaps I’m the only person here ever to have actually met and listened to a scientist from the Hadley Centre,
    WRONG”
    That’s good!
    Maximum temperature 27C or above again today across many part of England – so in the very warm to hot category for our country.

  75. From “The Register”
    An MoD spokesperson said the cuts, which take effect immediately, were made with the intent of “prioritizing success in current operations, such as Afghanistan”.
    The Met Office is reportedly in negotiations with its other funders – including the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, and the Department of Energy and Climate Change – to recoup the lost cash. ®
    2 Points;
    1) Interesting use of the phrase “Success in Current operations” !
    2) “Other Funders”
    Dept of the Environment, Food & Rural Affairs” – UK Government
    Dept of Energy UK Government
    And there I was thinking that our wretched “government” was, at last, trying to save money! Should have known better.
    I say Sell off the Met Office to private enterprise so they have to compete commercially. Then they may have some incentive to get their forecasts, all of them short, medium and long term, right (or at least more right than hitherto.

  76. Ron de Haan (07:01:19) :
    In adition to my earlier posting: I welcome the MoD to the skeptic community.
    Oh I wish!!

  77. Peter Hearnden (10:28:44) :
    ““But, then, perhaps I’m the only person here ever to have actually met and listened to a scientist from the Hadley Centre,”
    WRONG”
    That’s good!
    ————-
    There was a time, many years ago, when I actually believed what they said. Then I started doing my homework. Now I don’t believe what they say.

  78. Steven Hill (05:25:44) :
    “Not exactly. If a country wants to trade with the USA that country will have to have at least as stringent laws as the USA. Otherwise there will be import duties (tax).
    At least I saw that mentioned – haven’t been sent a copy of the full text yet”
    That sounds like a good plan for massive inflation.
    Right Steven, but that is not all.
    What to think about consumer freedom, the freedom to choose a product!
    And the fact that we will have much less products available.
    These are measures which will bring us on the level of the former Sovjet Economy
    that we have destroyed by the concept of a free market economy.
    This country is run by geniuses holding the standards of real apparatchiks.
    Do you already imagine the cues in front of the shops?

  79. The Met Office’s over-hyping of the pathetic ‘heatwave’ in the UK this week has been truly embarrassing what with their idiotic ‘alert’ levels, created solely to promote their AGW alarmism. I notice they kept pretty quiet during the coldest winter in a decade and didn’t have some ridiculous multi-tiered alarm system to warn us about the heavy snowfall which brought London to a standstill.
    The fact is that throughout 90% of the UK, temperatures have been either average or slightly above average over the past week. Here in Yorkshire, this past June has been mostly cool with below average temperatures punctuated with around 5 or 6 days of moderate warmth with an unremarkable and entirely expected 24c being the maximum temperature in my area.

  80. The fact is that throughout 90% of the UK, temperatures have been either average or slightly above average over the past week…with an unremarkable and entirely expected 24c being the maximum temperature in my area
    I’d bet more than 10% of the country will have experience a heat wave (as per Met Office definition) – indeed Doncaster (in your Yorkshire I believe) reached above 26C yesterday (and is 25C as I write) as did some other reporting station in the area.
    With places all over the country already above 25C this Wednesday morning (Aberdeen, Inverness, Doncaster, Benson, Manchester, Ross on Wye much or the Area around London for example) it now looks that 32C or 90F may very well be reached either today of tomorrow somewhere in the UK – if it happens that is an unusual event.

  81. Darn it!
    Could someone re arrange my italic tags above and delete this 🙂 ta…
    REPLY: done. Anthony

  82. To Ron de Haan,
    Do you seriously think the US will start imposing trade tarriffs on Chinese made goods. You forget the golden rule of business, he who has the gold makes the rules. Detroit was conspicuously quiet and did not oppose the tightening of the fuel mandates this spring because 2 of the big three were on life support from a liberal US governemt. Well guess what, the US’s governement finances are on life support for the Chinese governements sovreign wealth funds. My guess the tarriffs are there just for window dressing. Obama already said trade barriers and tarriffs in the cap and trade bill are a bad idea. Want to guess why?

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