Quote of the Week #10 – the future of underwater flaming

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Image from WUWT reader “Boudu”

One thing you can say about AGW alarmists, they are passionate. But passion doesn’t usually equate to factual discourse, as demonstrated so well on Joe Romm’s Climate Progress blog this week by guest blogger Kyle Gracey:

In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.

Sillier words may never have been written.

Of course, if you can’t dazzle ’em with prose, doing a rap music gig for climate delegates is always sure to beat out factual discourse any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

We rapped and rhymed about the threatened survival of nations and developed countries’ weak financing proposals.

I just wonder how well the “negotiators” take to being adopted?

http://adoptanegotiator.org/2009/06/12/rap-how-old-will-you-be-in-2050/

Of course this isn’t the first time rap music has been used to make a point about climate. It happened earlier this year when Dr. James Hansen of NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) opened for a rap trio at the capital climate action protest that (ahem) according to their own claims “closed down” the coal fired power plant in Washington D.C.

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Dr. Jim Hansen gets ready to deliver his message at the protest. Dressed like that, I’m not sure what the message is.

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The hemp hat trio sings for the crowd right after Hansen’s address.

I wonder if Jimbo will start his own record label to help the climate rap effort?

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Admin
June 14, 2009 10:54 am

It’s just weather?

Lex
June 14, 2009 10:58 am

Is he in doubt whether he will be cremated or buried at sea after his retirement?

CarsonH
June 14, 2009 11:25 am

I’ll be 87 in 2050. I was a wee bit more mature at 36 than our Chicken Little friend Kyle, and I was a late bloomer, just ask my wife or mother!~ LOL
Poor Kyle, all those extra years at school getting all those multiple degrees, only to suffer such a fate in 2050. What a waste!

Tom in sun drenched Florida
June 14, 2009 11:29 am

If the climate change tax and spenders get their way, I doubt there will be anyone with the ability to “retire”. Most of us will be required to work until death do us part, except of course, those that are running the scam.
“We are all equal except some are more equal than others”

pkatt
June 14, 2009 11:33 am

Dr. Jim Hansen gets ready to deliver his message at the protest. Dressed like that, I’m not sure what the message is.
Columbo meets Jed Clampet?
😀

Roger
June 14, 2009 11:44 am

I’ll be 110 in 2050 – any sugestions for a fireproof yet floatable material for the manufacture of coffins?

Håkan B
June 14, 2009 11:53 am

John,Paul,George and Ringo inspires me:
“When I get older losing my hair,
Many years from now.
Will you still be sending me a valentine
Birthday greetings bottle of wine.
If I’d been out till quarter to three
Would you lock the door,
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I’m a hundred and four.
You’ll be older too,
And if you say the word,
I could stay with you.
I could be handy, mending a fuse
When your lights have gone.
You can knit a sweater by the fireside
Sunday mornings go for a ride.
Doing the garden, digging the weeds,
Who could ask for more.
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I’m a hundred and four.
Every summer we can rent a cottage,
In the Isle of Wight, if it’s not too dear
We shall scrimp and save
Grandchildren on your knee
Vera, Chuck & Dave
Send me a postcard, drop me a line,
Stating point of view
Indicate precisely what you mean to say
Yours sincerely, wasting away
Give me your answer, fill in a form
Mine for evermore
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I’m a hundred and four. “

Ron de Haan
June 14, 2009 12:06 pm

I keep on wondering how it is possible that people with a scientific degree establish a total lack of common sense.
It must be very hard to look back at your life and your career to find out that you have spend it to promote a non excisting problem.
No money in the world can compensate that. (that is my personal opinion)

len
June 14, 2009 12:06 pm

Global Warming > Climate Change > Reduce Emissions …
They just keep getting wronger all the time 😀
Wishin, the emission, been dissin’ …..

hunter
June 14, 2009 12:09 pm

Oddly enough, Monty Python explored the link between burning and drowning, as well:

Joel
June 14, 2009 12:14 pm

I will NEVER get tired of looking at James Hansen’s african safari costume. Thank you for posting his picture again, that made me laugh all over again!

Johnnyb
June 14, 2009 12:17 pm

Well, its good to see that the unshaven man in the green jacket and funny hat saw fit to wear a tie to such a serious meeting of the minds.

Chuck Rushton
June 14, 2009 12:19 pm

In the year 2525 … oops, wrong song.
Nope, in the year 2050 I’ll either be 99 or the proverbial six feet under.
But I have NO expectation that my kids and grandkids will be either submerged or aflame. Poor, maybe, via cap-and-raid, but otherwise A-OK. Now if I could just convince that daughter of mine …

Adam from Kansas
June 14, 2009 12:28 pm

They should’ve done the protest when the first Bermuda high was bringing early warm temps. to the DC area, the pictures would look more serious then.
Also, I can’t seem to be able to check AMSU temps because the site is down, the red line on the Ice Extent link on this site also seemed to stopped moving. Harder to keep track of global temps. and the state of the Arctic because of that.

AnonyMoose
June 14, 2009 12:30 pm

the threatened survival of nations and developed countries’ weak financing proposals.

Oh, we’re not offering enough money to buy nations? Well, I’d buy that for a dollar!

anna v
June 14, 2009 12:32 pm

If the cap and trade tax goes through the least of his worries will be water or heat in retirement. There will be no retirement because there will be no viabl western economies to support retirements. Better start having kids to support him in his old age, as was usual some hundreds of years ago.

Aron
June 14, 2009 12:52 pm

I laugh when I remember when that Che Guevara fanboi in the hemp hat introduced Hansen as a scientologist.
In 2050 I will be 76 and better off than I am today. My electricity will be derived from third generation fusion power. I will have highly nutritious food tailor made using the most advanced genetic engineering technologies instead of being derived from intensive farming, breeding and hunting. I will see a world full of exotic smart materials that can assemble and disassemble themselves into various products with little help. I will have a home entertainment system that will use my brain to create true immersive environments. I will see several million humans a day travel to and from space as international travel utilizes outer space to cut journey times. I will see a world that will be virtually free from disease as babies are born resistant to AIDS, infections and cancer. I will see the beginnings of a post-humanist future as man and machine begin to merge. I will see far less government than we do today as technology empowers humanity to become less dependent on political powers. I will live in a world where citizens are able to monitor politicians instead of the other way around. As for the planet itself, it will be virtually identical to how it is today unless we learn how to terraform deserts into pastures.

June 14, 2009 1:01 pm

Sophisms, pseudo truths, when repeated, take a life of its own, and finally become a dogma for the fool.
Sometimes it originates in a swindle, like the “Man of Piltdown”, which fired the evolutionism and the believe that man descended from ape.
The more innocent types of sophisms are those considerated as “urban myths”
Scientific method should prevent us for being so naively credulous.

rbateman
June 14, 2009 1:17 pm

My pity is for the people in the photo-op who really believe thier songs are going to save the planet 41 years from now.
If they can’t save it from cap & trade, there won’t be a lifestyle or an economy left to save.
Green in, cap on and power down.
The brighter side: Your kids will grow up seeing the night sky again, and will re-discover the world outside of computer models.

June 14, 2009 1:24 pm

My late grandfather’s advice seems appropriate: Before you spend your life scrambling up the ladder of success, make sure it is leaning against the correct wall.

John W.
June 14, 2009 1:31 pm

I didn’t have the stomach to watch the videos. Is Hansen a better DJ/MC than he is a scientist?

Ron de Haan
June 14, 2009 1:31 pm

Aron (12:52:11) :
Aeron, you are a true visionair and an optimist.

Richard deSousa
June 14, 2009 1:36 pm

Romm’s predictions are a joke. May be he should quit his day job and be a comedian.

June 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Argentine glacier advances despite global warming
“We’re not sure why this happens,” said Andres Rivera, a glacialist with the Center for Scientific Studies in Valdivia, Chile. “But not all glaciers respond equally to climate change.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_argentina_glacier

Tom in Florida
June 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Just watched “Demolition Man” last night for the umpteenth time. Then I read this thread and well …….. AGW seems to be the Simon Phoenix of our time.

layne Blanchard
June 14, 2009 1:48 pm

Gotta love Monty Python. 🙂 There is really quite a similarity with AGW solutions. That being: Let’s punish ourselves first, so that God won’t punish us later. Let’s sacrifice and live in poverty because we’re afraid of losing our affluence.

Boudu
June 14, 2009 1:51 pm

Give it up give it up
One hell of a climate
Makes ya kinda glad
You’re a higher order primate
You can listen to the Gore
And panic ’bout the future
Or go against the law
Made by IPCC few who
Tell us that we’re doomed
‘Cos of computer modeled falacy
And realize the fact
So obvious and lucid
That it ain’t to do with CO2
It’s the sun, stupid.
Sorry. Had a few pints !

Mike Bryant
June 14, 2009 1:51 pm
don't tarp me bro
June 14, 2009 1:51 pm


Here is what Obama feels.
I see windpower has great novelty. Using coal as a backup will be required.

Robert Wood
June 14, 2009 1:52 pm

Hansen a Scientologist!! I like that.

don't tarp me bro
June 14, 2009 1:56 pm

One thing you can say about AGW alarmists, they are passionate. But passion doesn’t usually equate to factual discourse, as demonstrated so well on Joe Romm’s Climate Progress blog this week by guest blogger Kyle Gracey:
In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
<<<<<<<<
Way to go Joe. Appeal to authority isn't a good argument. It is even wores to appeal to future authority. We do get weary of taking Romms pie charts of the future as factual. George soros has him wound up pretty tight. But that is ok. How did he predict that Chicago in June 2009 would be running average temps 12.5 degrees below normal?

Adam from Kansas
June 14, 2009 2:06 pm

The story is interesting, first the MSM says one or two glaciers like the Mt. St. Helen’s crator glacier is defying global warming, now they’re saying some glaciers around the world may defy a warming planet.
I wonder when they’ll find out that glaciers advance and recede over 1000’s of years in response to natural climate cycles?
As for other weather we’re supposed to get some good pool weather in the 90’s pretty much all next week, Texas is supposed to have a heatwave due to high pressure sitting in the Gulf of Mexico, a warming trend in Canada which Intellicast thinks will break down somewhat before the week ends, Intellicast’s maps also have another big heat bubble over East Asia puttering out somewhat before the week ends, a heatwave for Europe is predicted, though not forecast to be as bad as in 2003 as Summer is about to start (seems like it’ll be felt the most in Southern Europe) , and there’s the obvious Winter cooling in the Southern Hemisphere (though may be more of that than usual in places). For tropics it’s remaining the same except for forecast cooling in Africa near the pacific north of the Equator under the usually hot area just south of the Sahara.
As also for SST’s in the past week the PDO is back to neutral it seems, ENSO is staying neutral, start of cooling in the South Atlantic, seems to be a slow breakdown of very warm spots between the southern sea and the south atlantic the AMO is negative, there’s a hodge-podge of warm and cold water in parts of the North Pacific, Indian Ocean seems warmer than usual, the Southern sea SST readings seem to not be warming or cooling that much outside of iced over area.

Ron de Haan
June 14, 2009 2:08 pm

I would like to recommend all warmists to pay a visit to the following website and download the PDF File:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=3580

Mike86
June 14, 2009 2:09 pm

My son and I were driving through Iowa yesterday. In the AM, the wind turbines were trucking right along. We could only see one is the cluster near our house not running. When we came back, not a one was turning. All quite. I’d still like someone to explain where all of the natural gas is going to come from to power the country when the wind doesn’t blow.

Ron de Haan
June 14, 2009 2:13 pm

It is very funny to see all those hysterical proponents of the Global Warming doctrine shouting about wearing their winter outfits to protect them form the cold.
I can’t help it but my conclusion is they are in need of serious psychological treatment.

Mike McMillan
June 14, 2009 2:31 pm

Kyle Gracey: – “In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.”
It certainly doesn’t have to be an either/or situation. If eco-terrorists were to blow up his plane over the Atlantic while he is enroute to an AGW conference and he’s burning in the underworld, he might be right. Disclaimer: I am personally against eco-terrorism and blowing up planes.
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Sillier words may never have been written.
Well, right off the top of my head I recall that last week the Teleprompter-in-Chief had the President say that we must quit spending beyond our means.

Aron
June 14, 2009 2:32 pm

My thoughts on a cap and trade system or carbon market is this.
Screw that.
Do it this way. The very rich should be given a quota of energy units (I don’t call them carbon credits). If they use up all their units they have to buy more units from the unemployed, disabled or poor who will be also be given units but as they consume less they will have plenty spare to sell. This will mean state welfare programs can end as the rich will be paying for the welfare of those who are sick or out of work. Everyone else (working people who are not millionaires) will be excluded from this system and carry on as normal.
That’s for individuals. Now for companies. Any company with revenues of over $10 million a year will also be given a quota of energy units. If they use them up they will purchase more units not from small companies but from the government. The sale of these energy units will raise money for research and development in the area of nuclear power. The public will have access via the internet to view this revenue stream being generated and see where the money is being spent in real time. Here we see that companies will be investing directly in future technologies that will make energy clean and cheap for all, instead of giving their money to lame duck companies or some dictator of a banana republic somewhere.

Evan Jones
Editor
June 14, 2009 2:32 pm

Sometimes it originates in a swindle, like the “Man of Piltdown”, which fired the evolutionism and the believe that man descended from ape.
What “descended from”? We ARE apes, my pongid brother.
Aeron, you are a true visionair and an optimist.
he’s just a realist. With luck, things could be a lot better than that. Cellular regeneration, etc. (It’s also possible we will get very unlucky, but it’s not probable.)

bill
June 14, 2009 2:33 pm

Run your correlation stats against WHEAT Prices and SunSpots. Im thinking the cooling is already taking a tole on our prices here in Kansas. Plus it seems others have already had a swing at this.
Booker also notes that it is more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, he tells us, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century.
Yes, I know other issues can play..such as Jimmy Carter screwing us royally with the Russia Grain deal etc….but still

John F. Hultquist
June 14, 2009 2:36 pm

“Keep it lighthearted please. – Anthony”
Easy for you to say. I just sprayed my monitor with a mouth full of liquid refreshment. Guess I’ll learn to swallow before reading these things.

Manfred
June 14, 2009 2:44 pm

OT:
AN international eco-terrorist outfit is being investigated for threats against the chief executive of a key Victorian power plant.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25635805-661,00.html
… I would be interested in mr. hansen’s opinion about these threats …

Adam from Kansas
June 14, 2009 3:03 pm

evanmjones: Then I am one of very different opinion from you and many others here because I’m a creationist and don’t believe in evolution.
But that’s not the point of this blog, most people here are on this blog because of the one common belief that we don’t believe in AGW, even our belief that the Earth is likely less than 7000 years old still has us believing in warmer periods 1000’s of years before the current one.

Mike Bryant
June 14, 2009 3:03 pm

Fire and Water
Some say my job will end in fire,
Some say submerged.
But as a choice when I retire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if I had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of fate
To say that water’s also nice
And even great
And would suffice.
Kyle Gracey Frost
Pass around the firewater, this calls for a drink… hic.

Paul James
June 14, 2009 3:07 pm

Rap Music the only music genre to begin with a silent C.

BarryW
June 14, 2009 3:09 pm

It was even worse for Hansen et al. It snowed while they were running the protest (Gore effect w/o Gore). Most we had that season in DC. If they had any competence (or brains) they would pick sometime in July for a AGW protest. Managing to do a AGW protest while it’s snowing, now that’s talent!

Leon Brozyna
June 14, 2009 3:24 pm

Let’s see now —
Christmas Day, 2050 – I’ll be 104. Guess that about then scientists will be saying that they are much better informed then was possible fifty years prior and they completely understand the little ice age type climate that will be happening and I’ll be able to tell tales of the coming ice age of 75 years prior, followed by anthropogenic global warming – I mean climate change – no, make that climate chaos – oh foo, it’s climate catastrophe. Then I’ll tell the reporter interviewing me at the home that by 2130 the scientists will be scoffing at the scientists of 2050, who were scoffing at the sad state of scientists’ knowledge in 2000, who mocked the new ice age ideas of the 1970’s … ‘Sonny, we’re all here for the ride; enjoy what you can and let the earth take care of itself, because it’s for sure them politicians can’t.’

Tom in Florida
June 14, 2009 3:26 pm

Aron (14:32:31) :
self snip, never mind, not worth the effort.

F Rasmin
June 14, 2009 3:29 pm

Most of the posters here will be alive in 2050 due to anti-aging drugs out in the next decade. Belief in this should temper statements made regarding fire and water, as the persons making the statements will most likely still be around to eat their words!

bikermailman
June 14, 2009 3:48 pm

Adam from Kansas (14:06:36) :
That heat wave over Texas is as normal as can be. A big, powerful high builds, then parks over the state most of the summer, giving us the usual high 90s and into the 100s. That high is what helps bring the monsoonal flow into the Rockies. Where, a few days ago, I was snowed upon several times in SW Colorado, down to ~10000′. During the day.
As for Aron’s comment about turning deserts into pastures, just take a tour around the Four Corners area. They do it every day. Stinks for those relying on the water downstream though! Not an eco-freak here, but the flood irrigation and spraying high into the air seem really silly. If they would use center pivot or drip irrigation, a whole lot more water could be sent downstream.

AnonyMoose
June 14, 2009 4:26 pm

I just sprayed my monitor with a mouth full of liquid refreshment.

Well, we generically know watts up.

Arthur Glass
June 14, 2009 4:43 pm

Aron: You’re going to be that well-off in the middle of another LIA?
Anyone for Tennyson? Here’s a classic locus of dewy-eyed utopianism.
“For I dipt into the future, far as human eye could see,
Saw the Vision of the world, and all the wonder that would be;
Saw the heavens fill with commerce, argosies of magic sails,
Pilots of the purple twilight dropping down with costly bales;
Heard the heavens fill with shouting, and there rain’d a ghastly dew
From the nations’ airy navies grappling in the central blue;
Far along the world-wide whisper of the south-wind rushing warm,
With the standards of the peoples plunging thro’ the thunder-storm;
Till the war-drum throbb’d no longer, and the battle-flags were furl’d
In the Parliament of man, the Federation of the world.
There the common sense of most shall hold a fretful realm in awe,
And the kindly earth shall slumber, lapped in universal law.”
Plague, famine, war and whatever the Fourth Horsemen stands for, are always just around the corner. We in the technologically advanced sector of the world have won a temporary reprieve, not a permanent exemption from these constants.

Arthur Glass
June 14, 2009 4:48 pm

” Most of the posters here will be alive in 2050 due to anti-aging drugs out in the next decade.”
Reminds me: time to re-up on my Reservetrol.
I’ll be 105 in 2050; if I want to look my best, I’d better start working on it now.

June 14, 2009 4:49 pm

😀
I’d planned to tap a few fellow commentors for their clever, hilarious and pithy statements, poetry and self-snipping, but there’s so much quality that I give up.
Kudos and thanks to all you wonderful, funny people.

Aron
June 14, 2009 4:56 pm

bikermailman,
There are obviously many ways to irrigate land. What the Alarmists tend to forget when they make dire predictions of sea level rise is that with economic development there comes an increase in the amount of land that becomes irrigated and increased consumption of water by plants, animals and humans. This cuts into sea level rise and renders the threat harmless. But then we’re dealing with some people who are so stupid that they believe they will spend their retirement on flames and under water at the same time or whatever the next catastrophe “roughly the size of Manhattan” they can conjure up next.

wws
June 14, 2009 5:04 pm

I have a carbon offset deal I think will be irresistible. If Al Gore will just give me a comfortable monthly stipend I promise to cut my personal bean consumption and I will credit him completely with the cut in methane production that results. I’m sure thousands of Americans would be glad to do likewise.

June 14, 2009 5:12 pm

instead of giving their money to lame duck companies or some dictator of a banana republic somewhere
But, if global warming is real, bananas and its associated “consequences ” will be growing farther from the equator. 🙂

Robert Kral
June 14, 2009 5:35 pm

Very interesting article- some effects of non-warming are more or less immediate:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html

Paul James
June 14, 2009 5:44 pm

Oh oh from the producers of An Inconvenient Truth comes Food Inc.
“This will do to the food industry what Al Gore did for the debate on climate change”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/5533075/New-film-exposes-unsavoury-side-of-US-food-industry.html
Looks like Al doesn’t make much money off the food industry.

stumpy
June 14, 2009 5:51 pm

So the small % of people living at sea level are unable to move to higher ground over a period of 40 years and will eventually drown in the 70mm odd sea rise lapping around their toes and the warmer climate will result in the spontaneous combustion of those who have not drowned in the 70mm deep water?

HarryG
June 14, 2009 6:02 pm

I noticed on another thread that the BBC had reported on Climate Change protests in Australia. It turns out that the BBC was in fact reporting on the event BEFORE they happened (and in the past tense as if they were a success).
How’s that for unbiased reporting?
BTW – the protests were hadly noticed down under.

CodeTech
June 14, 2009 6:06 pm

Pfft – so many of you have missed the point!
“Global warming” is so 90s. It’s CLIMATE CHANGE, people, and We are responsible. It’s self-evident, because before we started burning fossil fuels there was a benign, constant climate worldwide. All of the storms and changes are our fault. 98% of scientists agree, so it’s settled.
—————–
Seriously, I’ve been at parties (yeah, I actually have somewhat of a social life) where everyone is sitting around in absolute, abject fear for the future of our climate. They really don’t understand why I laugh at them. They truly believe as the original writer does, that the world will basically be destroyed in just a few decades, or at least dramatically altered.
I love hearing the hyperbole of the converted… in a few years they’ll look back on this and have the same embarassment as “we” do looking back on the fashions of our teen years… mullet anyone?

hunter
June 14, 2009 6:15 pm

CodeTech,
Don’t let them get away with changing the name from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’.
They fabricated this crisis.
They want to change the name now that it is not working out so well.
Do not let the AGW community get away with sliding the name off stage without explanation.

Jimmy Haigh
June 14, 2009 6:17 pm

How the heck did these people ever get taken seriously in the first place? Jim Hansen should have stuck with his muppets – they were good.
Can’t someone out there build a time machine and go back and (s)nip all this global warming nonsense in the bud?

Kum Dollison
June 14, 2009 6:19 pm

[snip]

Steve in SC
June 14, 2009 6:32 pm

In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
=================================================
Not to worry. Over the years there have been literally thousands of college basketball players majoring in Underwater Fire Prevention.
It is a pity that the Hansen crowd was unsuccessful in their attempt to get the congressional power plant shut down.

MartinGAtkins
June 14, 2009 8:13 pm

CodeTech (18:06:13) :
I though Kyle Gracey was playing a game of riddles. Something along the lines.
“I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.”
What am I?
I think you came close to solving it with “mullet anyone?”.
He’s not a mullet ‘cos they taste awful grilled but he could be a cod.

June 14, 2009 8:14 pm

The easiest way of knowing the existence of the Sun is by the next formula taken from my text book of Astrophysics:
τ = [0.1 (0.007) (M c2)] / L(the dot is the Sun…)
τ = [0.1 (0.007) (2 x 10^33 g) (3 x 10^10 cm/s) 2] / (3.8 x 10^33 erg/s)
τ = 3.3 x 10^17 s
3.3 x 10^17 seconds = ~10.6 billion years. However the nuclei (protons) in the Sun have not enough kinetic energy as for surmounting the Coulombs barrier. Even so, I’m not worried… The Sun is spotless anyway. 😉

Graeme Rodaughan
June 14, 2009 8:31 pm

Hmmm… I see an upswing in the market by 2050 for,
[1] Tin Foil Hats to keep out the boiling Solar rays…
[2] With associated “auto-snorkle” that swings into position whenever the wearer is submerged by rising flood waters.
[3] With convenient solar-powered propellar to provide a “cooling breeze”.
[4] With, asbestos underwear for the fashionable eco-conscious indiviudual to protect “family Jewels” from too much heat.
[5] With deployable mosquito netting to keep out rampant malaria infested Anopheles mozzies.
Now where is that patent documentation form again….
G

Graeme Rodaughan
June 14, 2009 8:34 pm

MartinGAtkins (20:13:37) :
CodeTech (18:06:13) :
I though Kyle Gracey was playing a game of riddles. Something along the lines.
“I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.”
What am I?
I think you came close to solving it with “mullet anyone?”.
He’s not a mullet ‘cos they taste awful grilled but he could be a cod.

Wonderfully – left of field comment. I never considered that the quoted comment could be interpreted as a riddle. Marvelous.
Is there a Sphinx in the room?

Just Want Results...
June 14, 2009 8:40 pm

Paul James (15:07:24) :
Rap Music the only music genre to begin with a silent C.

Oh, you mean that music is crap.

Aviator
June 14, 2009 8:42 pm

If Kyle and his buddies keep one foot in AGW and the other in reality, they will form thermocouples and there won’t any energy shortage. There, a scientific solution…

Just The Facts
June 14, 2009 8:42 pm

A good summary article from The Australian:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25635195-20261,00.html
We need more mainstream media articles like this, as it succinctly and effectively presents several of the key arguments for skepticism.

June 14, 2009 8:42 pm

Dear Moderator… I posted my message Nasif Nahle (20:14:19) on the wrong thread. My post was for “Sunspots Today: A Cheshire Cat – New Essay from Livingston and Penn”. Is there something you can do? I apologize for bothering you… 🙁
REPLY: No, can’t move between threads, sorry

John H 55
June 14, 2009 9:03 pm

OT but this is new and has over 500 comments accumulated
http://news.aol.com/article/perito-moreno-glacier/526529?icid=webmail|wbml-aol|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fperito-moreno-glacier%2F526529
Massive Glacier
Puzzles Scientists
It’s Doing Something Few Others Do
‘We’re Not Sure Why This Happens’
Glacier Grows Despite Global Warming
By JEANNETTE NEUMANN
,
AP
posted: 2 HOURS 34 MINUTES AGO
comments: 594

don't tarp me bro
June 14, 2009 9:10 pm

Leland Palmer Says:
Tipping poins
Radical change
1,000 times more emissions.
They use such drama and extreme expressions. I read on climate progress and the terror of methane excaping from thawing thermafrost is rapid, massive and deadly. I can’t tell why they are so irrational. therma frost will not all melt and melt to a great depth suddenly. If we had warming, every few years there would be melting a few miles further Northward or a few more inches downward.
It reminds me of M.D’s when they go on medical missions. Most villages in some countries have their own witchdoctors. The witchdoctor is threatened and calls for sudden curses and claims rapid destruction. He threatens to hurt people that seek medical help. We had the same with sorcerors thousands of years ago. Fear of loss of power drives the fearmongering.
The psychology of fearmongering is fascinating.

don't tarp me bro
June 14, 2009 9:12 pm

Graeme Rodaughan (20:31:20) :
Hmmm… I see an upswing in the market by 2050 for,
[1] Tin Foil Hats to keep out the boiling Solar rays…
[2] With associated “auto-snorkle” that swings into position whenever the wearer is submerged by rising flood waters.
[3] With convenient solar-powered propellar to provide a “cooling breeze”.
[4] With, asbestos underwear for the fashionable eco-conscious indiviudual to protect “family Jewels” from too much heat.
[5] With deployable mosquito netting to keep out rampant malaria infested Anopheles mozzies.
Of course marinas are bothered with sedimentation and the cost of dredging. If the water rises, the water depth in coastal marinas improves. It is good.

Keith Minto
June 14, 2009 9:17 pm

2050? ,I just want to reach 2015 when New Horizons mission reaches Pluto, the only outer planet that Voyagers 1 & 2 missed. At least it was a planet when the mission started.

Just Want Results...
June 14, 2009 9:20 pm

John H 55 (21:03:45) :
update : posted: 3 HOURS 17 MINUTES AGO comments: 712

Just Want Results...
June 14, 2009 9:24 pm

OT
out of the new global warming thesaurus :
“”SheCat1000
12:19 AMJun 15 2009
According to the Wall Street Journal the Obama administration has been meeting with pollsters who advocate avoiding phrases such as ‘cap and trade’ and ‘global warming’. The White House’s consulting pollster says instead of calling it ‘cap and trade’ call it the ‘clean energy dividend’. Does that work for you?””

http://news.aol.com/article/perito-moreno-glacier/526529#Comments

Johnnyb
June 14, 2009 9:36 pm

“He only employs his passion who can make no use of reason”-Cicero

Just Want Results...
June 14, 2009 10:00 pm

Johnnyb (21:36:48) :
That Cicero was kinda sharp.

Mariss Freimanis
June 14, 2009 10:08 pm

Maybe those 41 years between now and 2050 will bequeath poor Kyle with the serenity, equanimity and wisdom to become a less hysterical and a more thoughtful person. There’s always hope.

Just Want Results...
June 14, 2009 10:20 pm

OT
Tech News : Human Ear Inspires Universal Radio
“The human ear is a very good spectrum analyzer,” said Rahul Sarpeshkar, a professor at MIT…
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/08/antenna-radio-ear.html

gt
June 14, 2009 10:23 pm

With the government spending the way it is now, it’s more likely Mr. Gracey will live under a insurmountable debt than under water in 2050. If not earlier.

Graeme Rodaughan
June 14, 2009 10:36 pm

don’t tarp me bro (21:10:20) :
Leland Palmer Says:
Tipping poins
Radical change
1,000 times more emissions.
They use such drama and extreme expressions. I read on climate progress and the terror of methane excaping from thawing thermafrost is rapid, massive and deadly. I can’t tell why they are so irrational. therma frost will not all melt and melt to a great depth suddenly. If we had warming, every few years there would be melting a few miles further Northward or a few more inches downward.
It reminds me of M.D’s when they go on medical missions. Most villages in some countries have their own witchdoctors. The witchdoctor is threatened and calls for sudden curses and claims rapid destruction. He threatens to hurt people that seek medical help. We had the same with sorcerors thousands of years ago. Fear of loss of power drives the fearmongering.
The psychology of fearmongering is fascinating.

Agreed.
Fear is the easiest and quickest way to gain control over another human being, hence it’s popularity as a technique for control.
Fear is also a common denominator and hence useful for controlling groups and crowds.

klockarman
June 14, 2009 11:13 pm

Here’s another possible QOTW, via Climate Progress. A skeptic commenter noted the cold weather in Chicago, which prompted this reply:

dhogaza Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
So far, June’s chill is one for the records
Chicago’s not the world.
Spain’s having a warmer than normal late spring.
Thus far, June in Portland, Oregon has been 5C (9F) over normal.

This commenter finds it easy to slap down anecdotal cold weather in Chicago, by saying, “Chicago’s not the world.” And then turning right around and using anecdotal warm temps in Portland. Huh?

Indiana Bones
June 15, 2009 12:32 am

stumpy (17:51:08) :
So the small % of people living at sea level are unable to move to higher ground over a period of 40 years and will eventually drown in the 70mm odd sea rise lapping around their toes…
Yes, it is entirely possible to drown in 70mm water – provided your head is already in the sand.

FerdinandAkin
June 15, 2009 3:31 am

[i]
In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
[/i]
In 2050, if the global warming alarmists get their way, we will live in a
‘Fahrenheit 451’ society as per Ray Bradbury
and with the financial system in disarray, anyone with a mortgage will be under water.

wws
June 15, 2009 5:23 am

just fyi, dhogaza is a notorious troll on several sites.

John W.
June 15, 2009 6:45 am

Johnnyb (21:36:48) :
“He only employs his passion who can make no use of reason”-Cicero

Here’s another from Cicero (paraphrased): If the facts support you, attack your opponent’s facts. If the facts oppose you, attack your opponent.
Sound familiar?

June 15, 2009 7:28 am

FerdinandAkin (03:31:17) : In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire
You are young enough to witness the next “turn of the screw”, and, as always, it won’t fulfill the expectations of those who think they can manage the world… The world, instead, manages them. It is the guess of many (among others Timo Niroma:
http://personal.inet.fi/tiede/tilmari/sunspot5.html#some200 )
that along with each minimum, with each sun induced climate change, there is also a social/history change. A kind of y=sin x law, a real “turn of the screw”…so enjoy it!

P Walker
June 15, 2009 7:57 am

Actually , smoked mullet is mighty fine .

John Galt
June 15, 2009 8:47 am

Let’s give ol’ Kyle a bit of a break, OK?
Imagine you had spent your entire life being fed nothing but propaganda and junk science. All opposing view points and all opposing scientific studies are squashed, ridiculed and/or never published in the mainstream media. Anything skeptical of the party line dismissed without even a thought. Any deviance from ideological purity not tolerated by one’s peers.
What would your world view be in that case?

Mark Bowlin
June 15, 2009 9:01 am

Graeme Rodaughan (20:31:20) :
Hmmm… I see an upswing in the market by 2050 for,
[1] Tin Foil Hats to keep out the boiling Solar rays…
Kind of like the radiant barrier we want for our house….as noted above, Texas in summertime is HOT – even in the perfect climate years of gore, er, yore.

DaveE
June 15, 2009 12:12 pm

Robert Wood (13:52:49) :
Hansen a Scientologist!! I like that.
I thought he was an astronomer but I’m equally sure it’s misspelt, surely there’s a ‘g’ & an ‘l’ in there someplace 😀
DaveE

DaveE
June 15, 2009 12:48 pm

Nasif Nahle (20:14:19) :
Even so, I’m not worried… The Sun is spotless anyway. 😉
OK, OWN UP! WHO WASHED THE SUN?
DaveE.

Just The Facts
June 15, 2009 6:10 pm

This article is from Anorak News, a bit of an offbeat satire news site in the UK.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/media/213435.html
The article offers another good example of effectively communicating skepticism to a mass audience and their reference to WUWT is indicative of the widening influence of this blog.

Pat
June 15, 2009 8:23 pm

This is quite early snow, down to 200-400m, lower north island.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2505467/Snow-closes-SH2-over-Rimutakas
The summit is 550m, at one of the 220 corners along a 13km section of road. It’s bad enough when dry, quite interesting wet, or wet with diesel oil/livestock transport effluent on it, but snow, would be interesting to see with 48tonne logging trucks trecking over the hill.

bikermailman
June 15, 2009 8:35 pm

Mr Galt, you’re much more forgiving than your namesake would be… 🙂

Keith Minto
June 15, 2009 8:39 pm

It pays to watch the markets for trends in temperature up or down. The Australian ABC
reported that share prices for fertiliser companies retreated by 10% overnight due to late sowing of wheat in the Northern Hemisphere due to cold soil.

OceanTwo
June 16, 2009 5:29 am

Smart people who lack common sense? Reminds me of the Far Side cartoon:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/229551714_a5b4f7bc43.jpg
(Best link I could find, perhaps there is better).

Isabel Bottoms
June 16, 2009 9:16 am

You misunderstand his opening sentence. He is not writing literally. He is saying the predominant science shows droughts, heat waves, and sea level rise will be worse in 2050, but trying to be humorous in how he says it.

Telboy
June 17, 2009 5:02 am

Thank you Isabel for putting us straight – we obviously lack your refined sense of humour and completely missed the point. I realise now how funny Kyle Gracey’s blog is. Bottoms up!

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