PDO — ENSO, Aleutian Low, or some of each?

PDO — ENSO, Aleutian Low, or some of each?

Guest Post by Basil Copeland

Introduction

In a recent post here at WUWT, as well as on his own blog, Bob Tisdale challenged the popular view that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a principal driver of climate independent of the tropical El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) system.  Presenting the results of his own analysis, as well as citations from published scientific literature, Bob at least made the case for some plausible relationship between PDO and ENSO.  But what is the nature of this relationship, and does it reduce PDO to, as Bob put it, merely “a pattern of SST variability, not SST” itself?

Bob quoted extensively from Newman et al. (2003).  While this paper was in press at the time, it was reviewed and considered by Miller et al. (2004).  The latter is a comprehensive review of “Decadal-Scale Climate and Ecosystem Interactions in the North Pacific Ocean” (e.g., the title of the paper).  While acknowledging a tropical forcing (ENSO) on North Pacific SSTs, they contend that there is another, distinct forcing that is independent of the tropical forcing, related on decadal time scales to the behavior of the Aleutian Low.

In this post I will be citing selected portions of the Miller et al. paper, and presenting some simple empirical data that demonstrate the complex reality of the PDO.  While on an interannual to decadal scale it is possible to demonstrate a “teleconnection” between ENSO and the PDO, on multi-decadal time scales this teleconnection appears to have little power to explain the behavior of the PDO.  Instead, the multi-decadal pattern of the PDO is based — or “forced” — on midlatitude climate variability reflected in the behavior of the Aleutian Low.  Specifically, I will bring into the discussion the North Pacific Index (NPI).  The NPI is calculated as the area-weighted sea level pressure over the region 30°N-65°N, 160°E-140°W, and provides a measure of the intensity of the wintertime Aleutian Low.  I’ve taken the monthly NPI data, created a moving average, and have normalized and inverted it so that it scales similarly to ENSO and the PDO for purposes of comparison.  For ENSO, I am using a series for Nino 3.4.  All data sources are cited in a reference list at the end of this post.

figure1.PDO

Power Spectrum: Nino 3.1, PDO, and NPI

In leading up to a discussion of Newman et al., Miller et al. say:

Deterministic forcing from the tropics clearly has an effect in establishing decadal SST variability in the midlatitudes.  The forcing of the canonical SST pattern (around the subtropic front) has long been linked to atmospheric teleconnections from the El Nino/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) events on interannual timescales.  (Except as noted, citations will be eliminated in quoting from Miller et al.)

So this much is consistent with the point Bob was making about ENSO being a driver of the PDO, and is what we see in Figure 1 with the common periodicities at 4.8 to 6.5 years, and possibly at ~9 years.  But Miller et al. go on to discuss a second pattern of SST’s present in the PDO that have their origin in the Aleutian Low and propagate via “Rossby waves from the central North to the region around the subartic frontal zone and the Kuroshio-Oyashio Extension (KOE) region.”  In further describing these Rossby waves, they write:

These Rossby waves arrive several years after the Aleutian Low changes, resulting in a lagged response in SST in the KOE region.  This second SST pattern…also projects onto the PDO although it has a lagged relationship to the canonical pattern of SST [i.e. the pattern induced by ENSO].  Hence, the PDO index should be considered an amalgam of these two physical ocean responses.  (Emphasis supplied.)

Continuing the first quote above, Miller et al. go on to say:

The forcing of the KOE SST pattern (around the subartic front) is only weakly linked to tropical teleconnections.  The independent behavior of the KOE SST has been clarified through its enhanced decadal variance relative to the canonical SST pattern and through its links to decadal wind-stress curl forcing.

Then they comment on Newman et al.:

Recent studies with a simple first-order Markov model with forcing specified by the tropical SST index, damping rate specified by SST persistence (with re-emergence) and white noise forcing (simulating midlatitude weather) reversals that the bulk of the PDO index is explicable by atmospheric forcing from tropical teleconnections (Newman et al., 2003).

Again, this accords with what Bob was saying.  But Miller et al. go on to say:

The forcing with tropical origins clearly drives the canonical SST pattern portion of the PDO.  However, the simple model result is somewhat deficient in decadal timescale energy.  This suggests that the KOE SST pattern portion of the PDO is not simply driven by (or at least is not in phase with) this tropical forcing.

We see this clearly in Figure 1.  Out beyond 12.8 years, there is very little power in the Nino 3.4 spectrum.  There is modest power on a scale of 31.2 years, but there is simply nothing to compare to the multi-decadal power spectrum seen in the PDO and evident in the NPI.  The latter show power at bidecadal, and especially at pentadecadal periodicities.  On the latter, I would here just reference a series of papers by Minobe (sometimes with others); see the reference list at the end of this post for examples.

The bottom line?  While ENSO forced variation may drive the PDO out to decadal time scales, it does not fully account for PDO variation on longer time scales.  That latter is more likely related to long term, low frequency, oscillations in the behavior of the Aleutian Low, which set up what is really the more uniquely characteristic pattern of the PDO: its variation between cool and warm phases on a scale of 20-30 years.

What Difference Does It Make?

Based on discussions we had in comments to his post, and some private email correspondence, I do not think that Bob would have any significant disagreement with any of this.  So what was his point, and why do I think it is important to clarify the matter?  Bob’s point was that “global warming” cannot be attributed to the PDO.  And depending on what one means by “global warming,” he is no doubt correct.  That is, if by “global warming” we are speaking of the long rise in global temperatures since the earth came out of the “Little Ice Age,” then certainly, the PDO cannot likely account for that.  After all, the PDO is basically an oscillation about the long term global trend, whatever that is.  But if by “global warming” we were to mean calling attention to the increase in the rate of increase in global temperatures since the middle of the 20th century — and this was a cornerstone focus of the IPCC’s AR4 — then the behavior of the PDO does become extremely relevant to the so-called “global warming” of the past half century or so.

To understand my point, consider Figures 2 and 3.  In Figure 2 I show smoothed trends for the NPI, PDO and Nino 3.4.  These were derived using Hodrick-Prescott filtering.  Since first introducing this technique to WUWT users last year, I’ve continued to investigate the properties of this technique.  As some readers may recall, the outcome all depends upon the value of the “smoothing parameter” lambda.  By analyzing Morelet wavelet transforms before and after smoothing, I can determine the degree of smoothing implicit in a given value of lambda.  For Figure 2 I used a value of lambda (512000) which results in a degree of smoothing that filters out cycles of less than ~2^6 months, i.e ~5.3 years.  It thus captures the decadal (and longer) variation in these three series, while filtering out shorter term periodicities (which are much more prevalent in ENSO than in the PDO/NPI).  We can clearly see the decadal variation in ENSO, as well as the multi-decadal variation in the PDO, which is closely matched by the multi-decadal pattern of the NPI, in Figure 2.

Figure2.PDO

I then extracted the first principal component from these three series, shown in Figure 3.  Consider this a “weighted average” of the three series.  It really does not reveal anything we do not already know – that the PDO/NPI, and a decadal influence from ENSO – has undergone major epoch changes, or regime shifts, in the 20th Century.  Figure 3 simply illustrates what is cited on the JISAO web page for the PDO:

Figure3.PDO

Several independent studies find evidence for just two full PDO cycles in the past century: “cool” PDO regimes prevailed from 1890-1924 and again from 1947-1976, while “warm” PDO regimes dominated from 1925-1946 and from 1977 through (at least) the mid-1990’s. Shoshiro Minobe  has shown that 20th century PDO fluctuations were most energetic in two general periodicities, one from 15-to-25 years, and the other from 50-to-70 years.

The issue with respect to what impact this has on measuring the degree of “global warming” is obvious.  If we simply bifurcate the 20th Century into two halves, which is more or less what the IPCC AR4 did in its assessment of 20th Century global temperature trends, the trend for the second half of the 20th Century is going to begin during a period that was dominated by a cool phase of the PDO, and end during a period dominated by a warm phase.  In other words, even if the PDO is not itself, over a complete cycle, contributing to “global warming,” trends calculated this way will be biased upwards because of the transient impact of decadal and bidecadal influences of the PDO on global temperature.  Measuring global warming with a starting point in the middle of the 20th Century, which is what the IPCC did in AR4, is just a variation on the theme of cherry picking, something familiar to most WUWT readers.

Perhaps a better way to look at all of this is from the global perspective of Figure 4.  Figure 4 plots the HadCRUT3 series from 1850:01 through 2009:03.  Shown is a smoothed trend line, blue (HP smoothing, lambda 512000), and superimposed is a smoothed trend line in red (again, HP smoothing with lambda 512000) of the UAH satellite record, rescaled to track with HadCRUT3.  In this data, there appear to be two complete PDO-like cycles, when measured peak-to-peak: one from 1879 to 1941, and the other from 1942 to 2004.  From 1879 to 1941, the decadal rate of growth in global temperature was 0.036°C/decade; from 1942 to 2004, the decadal rate of growth in global temperature was 0.087°C/decade.  Contrast this latter with the claim in IPCC AR4 that the rate of warming for the past 50 years (1956-2005) was 0.13°C/decade.

Figure4.PDO

Put differently, the real rate of warming since the last peak of the PDO is approximately 33% less than alleged by the IPCC because of the bias created in not taking into effect the suppression of global temperatures in the mid-20th by the cool phase of the PDO.  So while the PDO itself may not be contributing to global warming, the warm phase of the past three decades, following on two to three decades of a previous cool phase, has allowed climate alarmists to overstate the actual degree of global warming in the 20th Century.

References and Data

  1. The NPI data I utilized is here: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/jhurrell/indices.data.html#npmon
  2. The main page for the PDO data is here: http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

I downloaded the data, though, from Wood For Trees: http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/jisao-pdo

  1. The Nino 3.4 series I used is here: http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/ihadisst1_nino3.4a.dat
  2. A full cite to the Miller et al., 2004 paper:  Miller, AJ, Chai, F, Chiba, S, Joisan, JR and Neilson, DJ.  Decadal-Scale Climate and Ecosystem Interactions in the North Pacific Ocean.  Journal of Oceanography, Vol. 60, pp. 163 to 188, 2004.  A copy can be downloaded here: http://horizon.ucsd.edu/miller/download/jgofs/JO_60-1-11.pdf .  I believe many WUWT readers will enjoy this paper.  The authors at least acknowledge the role of solar forcing, and cite Landscheidt, Svensmark and Friis-Christensen, and others who are often ignored in articles of this nature.
  3. The principle paper by Shoshiro Minobe on the pentadecadal cycle in the PDO is “Resonance in bidecadal and pentadecadal climate oscillations over the North Pacific : Role in climatic regime shifts,” Geophysical Research Letters. 26(7), 1999, 855-858.  A copy can be downloaded here: http://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/21813/1/1999grl_letter.pdf .  There is an intriguing indication that Minobe is working on research that would connect the Pentadecadal oscillation to LOD here: http://wwwoa.ees.hokudai.ac.jp/~mikeda/proj/iarc/sympo/8minobe.htm .
  4. The HadCRUT3 data was downloaded via Wood For Trees: http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcrut3gl .
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Stephen Wilde
May 12, 2009 9:08 am

I agree with the general points made but cannot accept the implication that the longer term oceanic phase shifts are all driven by the air.
Bob says that ENSO drives PDO whereas this article suggests the Aleutian Low.
For multidecadal phase shifts in the oceans from net energy absorption to net energy emission I think we should be looking at something within the oceans and not in the air.
I’m happy to accept short term ENSO and ENSO type cycles in all the other oceans as being air driven but not the longer term phase shifts between positive warming and negative cooling modes.
I don’t see the air as being powerful enough to induce such underlying long term phase changes.
Given that PDO et al are statistical artifacts derived from observation of ENSO et al it seems that not many accept those oceanic phase shifts as having any independent existence.
I think they are independent and require a new generic name such as ‘Wildean Ocean Cycles’ 🙂

John F. Hultquist
May 12, 2009 9:14 am

Note: Under the three charts find Nino 3.1 and not 3.4
Power Spectrum: Nino 3.1, PDO, and NPI

May 12, 2009 9:46 am

Let us apply Socrates’ mayeutic method to ask, almost naively: And which was the cause of such a peculiar variation of the 97-98 El Nino?, What happend before (considering a time lag) this El Nino?

Roger Knights
May 12, 2009 9:49 am

Typo in ftn. 3: change “principle” to “principal”

John F. Hultquist
May 12, 2009 9:53 am

Stephen,
‘Wildean Ocean Cycles’ ??
Sure, why not? How much is a vote going for these days? I noticed my case of beer is nearly empty. For my vote please send a new case to …
Seriously, this is informative material but stretches my background in time series analyses. I’ll have to do a little reading to catch on – wasn’t following before a few months ago and a broadband connection.
Speaking of stretching: My thought is we are accustomed to thinking of things as being independent or dependent variables – “ENSO drives PDO, and the like” – while, in fact, nature is more complex, with lots of co-dependencies. Sort of like a spider’s web – tweak it on any line, node, or connection and the whole thing responds. That idea may not lead to any fruitful research but is helpful as an underlying concept to the relationships suggested in this guest post by Basil Copeland.
Relationships: forcing, drivers, teleconnections, patterns, lagged, linked, oscillations, and so on …
Good post. Thanks. John

Adam from Kansas
May 12, 2009 10:09 am

So uh, this is kind of hard to understand, so based on this information what is the direction you think SST’s will go?

Basil
Editor
May 12, 2009 10:14 am

Stephen,
How does your comment now square with what you wrote here (on WUWT) back on 3-22:
I contend elsewhere that the latitudinal position of the mid latitude jet streams (after accounting for seasonal changes) indicates whether the globe is warming or cooling overall.
I propose that the latitudinal movement of those jets is the climate mechanism whereby the energy flow to space is accelerated or decelerated in order to maintain sea surface/air surface temperature equilibrium.
The position of the jets represents the netted out product of all the other available variables in the climate system (in my humble opinion).

The location of the Aleutian Low has a lot to do with the location of the jet stream, no? While intended to demonstrate the difference between El Nino and La Nina, this graphic
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/images/elnino/jetstream.gif
could just as easily be describing the bidecadal swings in the Aleutian Low, with the upper panel representing a strong Aleutian Low, and the lower panel a weakened Aleutian Low.
I’m not suggesting that you’ve contradicted yourself. Rather, I’m suggesting that there may not be as much inconsistency between what I was writing about and your view of things.
To what would you attribute the long term, low frequency cycles, in the NPI?

May 12, 2009 10:28 am

PDO — ENSO, Aleutian Low, or some of each?
Just look above…

Jesper
May 12, 2009 10:43 am

This paper may be of interest:
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/38/14889.abstract
On the trend, detrending, and variability of nonlinear and nonstationary time series
PNAS September 18, 2007 vol. 104 no. 38 14889-14894
1. Zhaohua Wu*,
2. Norden E. Huang†,
3. Steven R. Long‡, and
4. Chung-Kang Peng§,¶

timetochooseagain
May 12, 2009 10:43 am

These indices are a dog’s breakfast. What are they even supposed to represent?

Editor
May 12, 2009 10:52 am

I would argue that most everything in the climate cycles in both directions, driving and being driven, aborbing and emitting. Thats the nature of… nature. There are no runaway asymptotic curves, everything that gets out of whack gets attenuated by negative feedbacks and casts ripples through time that affects other things and creates resonant patterns. Until and unless someone puts together a truly massive supercomputer that can simulate the entire planets climate/ocean/sun/geomagnetosphere system as a huge navier stokes equation run chaotic system, we will never have a true handle on climate. Many things contribute to it in various ways, there is no way to blame any one change in climate on any one thing. We certainly have not seen the sort of change in climate that would justify calling this one unprecedented. Anybody who claims they have the handle on the one true cause is deluding themselves, which primarily defines the AGW alarmists. It is important we dont fall into the same trap of self delusion and emotional investment in a given position.

Owen Hughes
May 12, 2009 10:56 am

Stephen Wilde (@1): I don’t see the air as the driver here. Based on my reading of William DiPuccio’s stellar article on ocean heat ( http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/06/the-global-warming-hypothesis-and-ocean-heat/ ) I see the air as not the driver, but being driven; by ocean heat. Incoming sunlight heats ocean; huge thermal mass (with time lags); it dominates the system. When air is warm, less ocean heat comes out; when air is cool, more ocean heat comes out. In this long-cycle complex way.
You can see I am a lay reader. But at this crude level, is it wrong?

May 12, 2009 11:06 am

Diatribe Guy’s done quite a bit of work on the ENSO/PDO etc.
http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/deconstructing-the-hadcrut-data/
His prediction is we’re on a 23-year long downslope.
A driving mechanism? Fluctuations in cloud cover, with increased cloud due to increased evaporation from a warmed ocean, cloud having a negative feedback, thus temperatures fall, reducing ocean temperatures, reducing cloud cover, etc, etc.
Add in a contribution from our CO2 output and we’re nearly there?

MikeC
May 12, 2009 11:21 am

I suggest everyone give close consideration to Mike Lorrey’s post at 10:52:26. He is right on.
As for the effect of PDO on ENSO, Kristen Byrnes Science Foundation seems to have made the first correct observation… when there is anegative PDO, cool SST’s are bown into theNino 3.4 region, obstructing the westward propagation of the warm tongue and therefore creating a greater liklihood that ENSO events will reflect cool neutral or La Nina conditions.

Northern Plains Reader
May 12, 2009 11:21 am

My understanding of the PDO is that it is the result of serveral modes of climate variability. This includes the PNA, WPO, TNH, and ENSP. Robert Livesay of CPC says this…
Is PDO variability the result of a single mode?
NO, at least all four phenomena that impact the PNA sector contribute!
Extratropical North Pacific SST variability dominantly follows and is
driven by the PNA, WPO, and TNH patterns, which are the regional
expressions of the four dominant PNA sector physical modes.
I do believe that there are paleoclimatic reconstructions of the PDO index beyond 100 years ago. Is the power analysis over the last 400-1000 years the same as the analysis for the last 100 years? Is a peak at 57 years statistically significant over a 100 year analysis? Robert Livesay contends that the PDO signal is red noise…that is while we do see some oscillations in the signal over the last 100 years, it doesn’t mean that those oscillations will continue.
Thoughts?
I personally think that using statistical analysis is dangerous. One can “prove” whatever they want. The challenge with the PDO is to understand the physics behind it. The power analysis of the PDO and Allutian Low looked similar. Why? What is the physics behind it?

May 12, 2009 11:23 am

Basil: Bravo! Great analysis. A few points before I read the Miller et al paper.
I included the Newman et al paper in my post because it contradicted popular beliefs. I noted this in a comment early in the thread.
I also included graphs of the PDO compared to North Pacific SST anomalies, to detrended SST anomalies for the North Pacific, etc. The one that most people missed was the one in which I subtracted Global Temperature anomalies from the North Pacific SST anomalies, a residual of sorts. It’s Figure 5 in that post:
http://i42.tinypic.com/345kgsk.jpg
Link to my copy of the post is here. The graphs are clearer:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/04/misunderstandings-about-pdo-revised.html
Note how that “residual” opposes the PDO. This means, when the PDO is positive, the North Pacific SST anomalies are less than the global temperature anomalies, which, in turn, means that the North Pacific is subtracting from the global dataset, or cooling, not heating. And if the PDO is negative, the SST anomalies for that region are above global temperature anomalies, so the North Pacific is adding to the global temperature anomaly during those periods.
Why then do global temperatures tend to rise when the PDO is positive, if it’s not caused by the SST anomalies of the North Pacific? The SST anomalies of the Tropical Pacific are in synch with the PDO. Refer to Figure 9 in that post.
http://i41.tinypic.com/n14010.jpg
And what dictates SST anomalies in the Tropical Pacific? ENSO, not the PDO.
Recall that in the other paper I linked (the paper that first calculated the PDO), Zhang et al noted that the PDO lagged ENSO by a season (3 to 4 months). It’s tough for the PDO to control ENSO if ENSO preceeds it.
Link to the Zhang et al paper:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~david/zwb1997.pdf
Regards

John Galt
May 12, 2009 11:28 am

OT: EPA Chief: CO2 Danger Finding May Not ‘Mean Regulation’
By IAN TALLEY
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124214922088511421.html
WASHINGTON — The head of the Environmental Protection Agency said Tuesday a finding that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide are a public-health danger won’t necessarily lead to government regulation of emissions, an apparent about-face for the Obama administration.
The new position follows revelation of a White House document that warns the EPA of the wide-ranging — and potentially economically harmful — consequences of an agency finding last month that proposes declaring greenhouse gases are a danger to the public.
Resources
* Read the EPA’s proposed endangerment finding for greenhouse gases.
The White House memo also undermines the EPA’s reasoning for the “endangerment” proposal.
EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has previously said such a decision “will indeed trigger the beginning of regulation of CO2.”
But speaking before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Ms. Jackson said Tuesday that an endangerment finding, “does not mean regulation.”
An EPA spokeswoman wasn’t immediately able to explain the apparent change of policy position.
Pressed by Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) about the interagency memo sent by the Office of Management and Budget to the EPA before the agency published its proposed endangerment finding, Ms. Jackson said she disagreed with several of the document’s characterizations
She added, however, “We do understand that there are costs to the economy of addressing global warming.”
She reiterated the administration belief that “the best way to address that is through a gradual move to a market-based program such as a cap-and-trade program.”
The OMB memo warns the EPA, “Making the decision to regulate CO2 under the [Clean Air Act] for the first time is likely to have serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities.”
The White House legal brief starts by questioning the link between the EPA’s scientific argument for endangerment and its political summary.
Ms. Jackson said in the political summary that “scientific findings in totality point to compelling evidence of human-induced climate change, and that serious risks and potential impacts to public health and welfare have been clearly identified.”
But the OMB memo says the endangerment finding rests too heavily on the precautionary principle, which gives the government responsibility to act if it fears for the public’s health or welfare.
“The amount of acknowledged lack of understanding about the basic facts surrounding [greenhouse gases] seem to stretch the precautionary principle to providing regulation in the face of unprecedented uncertainty,” the memo reads.
The OMB document also warns of a cascade of unintended regulatory consequences, advice the Department of Interior may have used last week in its decision not to revoke a Bush administration rule that prevents using the Endangered Species Act to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions from facilities such as power plants and refineries.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124214922088511421.html

Northern Plains Reader
May 12, 2009 11:34 am

A reference…
Newman, M., 2007: Interannual to Decadal Predictability of Tropical and North Pacific Sea Surface Temperatures. J. Climate, 20, 11, 2333-2356.
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/pubs/2007/abstracts/newman_01abs.html

May 12, 2009 11:42 am

Mike Lorrey (10:52:26) :
Until and unless someone puts together a truly massive supercomputer that can simulate the entire planets
….Or perhaps the best computer ever made: A humble human brain
Of course of an special kind, not those “models” that get entangled and lost in details.

May 12, 2009 11:43 am

I meant those “New Age models”

gary gulrud
May 12, 2009 11:51 am

Nice work Basil. Having a competent statistician who writes well and lucidly address a subject of interest and concomitant difficulty is rather like mexican chocolate ice cream, a surprising delight.

Bill Illis
May 12, 2009 11:56 am

I’m not a big fan of smoothing functions. I think one can smooth data into all kinds of correlations that aren’t really there.
In this case, however, and in minimizing the overall smoothing required, there does seem to be some kind of direct relationship.
First, I just want to show the raw data so that one can see why too much smoothing might lead one astray.
Here is the actual PDO index (quite different than the charts you might have seen on the internet).
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8917/pdoindex.png
Here is the actual NPI Index from the link above. There is a great deal of seasonality in this index that might lead one to just give up on it.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2326/npiindex.png
But if you take out the seasonality and rescale the NPI to the same base as the PDO and then inverse it, one can see there is definitely a correlation (although it might be hard to tell which one is leading and which one is lagging).
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3038/npipdo.png
Next one has to describe a physical reason for the NPI to be a driver of the PDO.
There is this great animation of clouds over one year which provides a real model of how the climate actually works. The Equator runs the climate and I don’t see a consistent Aleutian Low or an NPI in this animation.
https://www.ucar.edu/publications/nsf_review/animations/ccm3.512×256.mpg

Stephen Wilde
May 12, 2009 11:57 am

Basil 10:14:22
Owen Hughes 10:56:09
I don’t think we are far apart at all. As Mike Lorrey suggests above the whole system is a mass of linked variables that are each in constant change.
I take the view that at it’s simplest we are dealing with a net one way flow of energy from sun to sea to air to space.
At the same time we see that the air has it’s own internal circulation patterns.
I propose that the oceans have similar internal circulation patterns, probably involving the Thermohaline and that although the two sets of patterns interact there is nevertheless a stronger degree of independence in the ocean patterns because of the density, volume and thermal inertia of the oceans.
Referring back to the one way flow I propose that the variations in solar input to the oceans affect the heat content of the oceans on century time scales. That the ocean circulations switch phase on multidecadal timescales independently of the influence of the air. That the air circulations vary constantly in their effort to maintain sea surface/ surface air temperature equilibrium.
Overall the weather systems move poleward when the oceans are net emitters of energy and move equatorward when the oceans are net absorbers of energy.
The air circulation affects short term ocean phenomena such as ENSO but the global net background ocean phase changes determine whether the air is cooling or warming at any given moment and I think those phase changes occur independently of influences in the air.
I arrive at these opinions by weighing the timing of the events we have observed and the relative scales of the various components of the system together with the requirement that the net energy flow be one way.
The key observation for me was noting the poleward shift in the weather systems in the 70’s and the shift back equatorward around 2000.
That shift followed the SST changes on both occasions. That shift must have a function and I believe it to be varying the rate of energy flow from surface to space in order to maintain sea surface and surface air temperature equilibrium.
If the rate of energy flow from surface to space is changed in order to deal with variations in energy flow from the oceans then it is likely that the same mechanism could deal with extra energy in the air from increased CO2 or indeed water vapour.
The changes in the latitudinal position of the main weather systems could well be the mechanism that AGW proponents were unable to find as a means of neutralising extra energy in the air from more CO2. It works well enough when overall humidity changes as a result of ocean surface warming so it should be easily able to deal with our puny influence.

May 12, 2009 12:14 pm

Basil: The link you give:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/images/elnino/jetstream.gif
took me to Peter Taylors’:
the Maunder Minimum (a low point in the long term solar magnetic cycle) is associated both with the Little Ice Age, and with a southerly shift of the jet-stream
And :
solar activity and its effects on tropospheric climate. Reiter (1983) has launched series of radiosonde flights immediately after energetic solar flares. These observations revealed lowering of the tropopause, intrusion of warm
stratospheric air from higher levels, formation of a sharply defined secondary ozone maximum immediately above the tropopause, perforation of the tropopause, emergence of jet streams, and change from zonal to meridional circulation

Theodor Landscheidt:Predictable Cycles in Geomagnetic Activity and Ozone Levels

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