NSIDC's Walt Meier responds on the sensor issue

Dr. Walt Meier
Dr. Walt Meier

I assume that everyone has seen the post on our website discussing the changes that NSIDC has instituted to make our sea ice data available again. I don’t want to repeat that, but I thought I would respond to some of the more general issues that came up in Anthony’s posts and accompanying comments. I thank Anthony for giving me this opportunity. I write here from my personal viewpoint and not in an official capacity as a representative of NSIDC or the University of Colorado.

I apologize for the error in our data and for the relative slowness in responding to it. I’m glad that so many people are interested in the data and I understand that seeing errors is frustrating and can undermine confidence in the data. Anthony is correct that many people do now pay close attention to our website and we do have a responsibility to attend to errors as fast as we can. We will try to do better in the future. There are two major points that I hope everyone can take away from this event:

(1)  The error in no changed any of our conclusions about the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice. The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning.

(2)  Errors like the one that occurred are part of the normal course of dealing with satellite data. We hope that they are rare, but they are not unexpected.

On the first point, there is no doubt; it is verified by numerous independent observations and is well-discussed in numerous places, including in the entries on our analysis web page.

On the second point, I think it is worth providing some background on satellite data and how it is processed, stored, and used by scientists, including those at NSIDC. In doing so, I’m not making excuses for the error in NSIDC’s data, but I hope I can help people understand how such errors are part of the scientific process of quality controlling and fine-tuning data and techniques to ultimately provide the best information possible to track climate change.

Climate science is focused on understanding long-term changes and the mechanisms that drive them. In terms of satellite data, this means taking great care and making the data as good as it can possibly be. The focus is on assuring a time series good enough to track potentially subtle trends. This involves careful quality control of data and developing and fine-tuning algorithms to convert raw satellite data into a useful climate parameter (such as sea ice extent). Like all of science this has traditionally been done slowly, methodically, and privately. And up until about ten years ago, there was no other choice but to move slowly because of severe constraints on computer processing speeds, limited data storage capacities, and difficulties in simply sharing data. One of the earliest papers to note the long-term decline in Arctic sea ice was published in 1999 (Parkinson et al., J. Geophysical Research); it was based on data only through 1996. It simply took that long to collect and carefully analyze the data, make sure algorithms were robust and stable, and get a paper through scientific peer-review.

Data distribution was also limited because of similar computational, storage, and distribution constraints. For example, NSIDC used to received updates every five years or so of final quality-controlled sea ice products. We would then distribute the data by mail on CD-ROM only to registered users.

Immediate data analysis was solely the province of operational centers, like the National Weather Service, who had special access to near-real-time data. Their focus was on getting only what was needed of any data before moving on to the next analysis or forecast cycle. Quality control was focused on catching major errors; smaller errors that didn’t significantly impact a short-term analysis were not caught or were ignored. There was no consideration given to the long-term context of the data, which were often not even saved.

There was a very clear delineation between science and operations.

Science is still done slowly and methodically, with final results disseminated the way they always have been – through peer-reviewed scientific journals. It still takes time to do final quality control on climate products. NSIDC now receives final sea ice data about once a year. But in the past ten years or so, access to data has changed dramatically. Computer processing power and data storage capacities have increased exponentially and high-speed internet has allowed near instantaneous distribution of data to a broad community. Satellite data that used to require days or weeks of processing and required dozens of tapes or CDs to store can now be processed in minutes, stored on a portable hard drive or even a memory stick, and distributed over the internet. This has been a boon to scientists who now have much faster and easier access to large amounts of data.

At the same time algorithms have matured and become more stable. This means that significant adjustments to the algorithms are not regularly needed and they can be run confidently on near-real-time data, with the understanding that the results may change during final quality-control. This has allowed to NSIDC implement a near-real-time version of the sea ice data. For the past several years this data has been freely distributed online for anyone who wished to use it, though the primary audience was scientists who would be familiar with associated caveats of using near-real-time data.

In this context, let me now move on to NSIDC and its Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis web site. NSIDC is a science institution. Our mission is science and science support, not operational support for any kind of critical operational decisions (e.g., what regions are free enough of sea ice to be safely navigated). Because we must focus on science, the resources we can devote to near-real-time data production and analysis are limited. Nonetheless, as climate change became an important topic, it was clear that Arctic sea ice was a leading indicator of the observed changes. Since NSIDC stores and distributes the sea ice data, many people started to come to NSIDC scientists to ask about sea ice conditions and the implications for the climate. When 2005 set a record low summer extent, there was a lot of media attention; in response we issued a press release. Through summer 2006 we received many requests asking about how the ice was looking, both from the media and fellow scientists. As the summer wore on it started to feel a bit like being on a family road trip and having the kids in the back continually asking “are we there yet?” As summer 2007 started, it was a clear that a new record low was quite possible. The questions began again in earnest.

In the sense that science ultimately serves society, it was becoming apparent that scientists and the public were coming to expect a near-real-time analysis of Arctic sea ice conditions. In response, we decided to develop the website so that we could post occasional data updates and science-based discussion of the conditions. This worked quite well, but the summer of 2007 was so remarkable and Arctic sea ice had become such a big story both scientifically and in the public consciousness that we realized there would be the expectation to do even more during 2008. In response, in addition to our occasional summer posts of data and analysis, we decided to provide daily data updates and at least monthly analyses throughout the year. This decision was possible only because the products are mature and stable and further quality control to produce final data results in only minor changes. This was an added burden on NSIDC resources, but with automated processing the day-to-day impacts could be managed.

This all evolved in an ad hoc manner, with improvements made when we had resources available. Remember, none of this is NSIDC’s primary mission, which is to archive hundreds of cryospheric datasets and support peer-reviewed research. The sea ice analysis website is one of dozens of research and data management projects at NSIDC. People working on the web site often have to fit it in where and when they can amid other duties. There is no single person at NSIDC who works only or even primarily on the sea ice analysis page. This is not an ideal situation, but it is the only way we can support the analysis while still fulfilling all of our responsibilities.

This is one reason why we appeared slow to address the error last week. We have a group at NSIDC whose responsibility is to respond to user questions and comments on any of our hundreds of datasets. NSIDC’s standard is to provide a response to user inquiries within 24 hours during the business week. This is very quick for a science institution and NSIDC’s user services works very hard to always meet that standard. However, it is not particularly fast compared an operational center that works on a 24/7 schedule. We will work to put into place better QC measures and more streamlined procedures to catch future errors more quickly, but we simply do not have the resources to work in an operational environment.

This of course begs the question: why don’t operational centers do this instead of NSIDC? Operational centers do indeed provide near-real-time sea ice data. However, I believe there are a couple reasons why operational centers are not poised to provide the kind of science-based support found at NSIDC.  First, their only priority is on supporting critical users with the most useful operational information about sea ice – e.g., ships sailing in and near ice-infested waters; their data is not well-suited for easy understanding by a general audience. Second, operational centers are focused on near-real-time support, not on climate issues. Thus their expertise in putting near-real-time data in the context of long-term climate is limited.

NSIDC and other climate data/research centers (e.g., NASA GISS) do have that expertise. And that is crucial. It is only through evaluation of the near-real-time data in the context of the long-term climate that one can properly assess the relevance to climate change. This mixture of climate science and near-real-time data analysis is perhaps not optimal, but I think it is worthwhile.

The easy access to climate data has been a boon for scientists and I would argue it has also been a great benefit for society. Science ultimately serves society and quick and easy access to data provides quality up-to-date information on important issues, such as climate change. The problem is that such data can come to be viewed by journalists and other members of the public as completely routine and reliable. When small changes or errors occur, they may be given greater import than they deserve in terms of what they imply about climate change. This means there is a responsibility for places like NSIDC distributing data to thoroughly explain the data and respond quickly to any issues. I believe NSIDC does an excellent job in explaining the data through considerable documentation on all aspects of the sea ice data. However, in terms of responding to data issues, NSIDC and like centers have been slow to realize that the audience for such data has expanded beyond fellow scientists and informed journalists and that any issues need to be addressed as soon as possible lest they confuse or mislead the public. This is a difficult task for places like NSIDC, whose resources are limited and whose primary mission is not operational support. The recent data error has been a learning experience for those of us at NSIDC and we will try to do better.

I hope that this information gives people a greater appreciation for the hard-work done by my colleagues at NSIDC and an understanding of the difficulties inherent in supporting near-real-time data with limited resources amid myriad other responsibilities. Finally, I hope that people come away with a better sense of what goes into analyzing satellite data and how such data is so beneficial to our understanding of climate. Thank you.

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DaveE
March 2, 2009 5:23 am

“P Folkens (21:40:24) :
These discoveries are suggesting an ice-free eastern Arctic for at least part of the year with much higher sea levels within the time frame of the MWP.”
Interesting. Do you have a source for that?
The implications of much higher sea levels to me is that much of the Antarctic Ice may have melted too.
DaveE.

MattN
March 2, 2009 5:32 am

“Where has the disappeared ice gone? As the sea level has not changed its rate of rise in the last 100 years at around 2.2mm / year. http://www.pol.ac.uk/ntslf/products.php Projections abound that it will accelerate to 29 or more mm / year but so far this acceleration has not been measured. So where has all those cubic miles of ice gone?”
Terry, Terry, Terry (shakes head)…..
Fill a glass with ice water, mark the level, let it all melt and watch the water level NOT rise one bit.

Garacka
March 2, 2009 5:43 am

What is “long term” in the Arctic?
The 30 year period since 1979 when, coincidentally, satellites started providing data and cooling changed to warming, or, say, 60 years to align with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation? As I understand it, the 30 years since 1979 is probably best viewed as a 1/2 cycle. This seems worthy of more public comment, if for no other reason, to make people think you’re being objective. (Sorry)
On the Will column, it seems that he was dead on.

Garacka
March 2, 2009 5:44 am

….that Will’s column was dead on

george h.
March 2, 2009 5:46 am

Since global temperatures have declined at the rate of approximately 0.4C per decade since 2000, ongoing thinning of Arctic ice or loss of summer ice extent is most likely due to local circumpolar factors or influences, is it not?
If globally influenced, why is this not consistent with an ongoing rebound from the little ice age?
Next, how is it possible to determine a climate related trend with such a short period of observation as the alarmists want to do. Accurate satellite measures of Arctic ice only began in 1979 giving us exactly two (30 year) climate data points.
I realize Dr. Meier will not be commenting further, but I would be curious to know how he would answer these questions and what he could tell us about sea ice extent or volume during the MWP, Roman, Minoan warming periods and during the Holocene Optimum.
Also, how much melting occurred in the period between 1910 and 1940 when temperatures increased more than they did between 1980 and 2000?

March 2, 2009 5:49 am

Dr. Meier,
I would like to add my voice to the others above in thanking you for your comments and information.
I would like to ask you a question that I am sure has some merit, as your working life is the study of ice, Arctic sea ice past and future trends, have you or NSIDC done a study on historical records? there are thousands of written references going back hundreds of years on fishing, military and exploration, perhaps you know of some paper that has been written giving ‘trends’ on written information, (ROM (01;58;02) gives a reference and 4,000 years as a starting point. Any information would I am sure be appreciated by all.

Shawn Whelan
March 2, 2009 6:01 am

If so the legend of the North West Passage so affected the British psyche that they looked for it for five hundred years. Without much success.
Actually they were successful.
McClure and his men were the first to travel the passage in the early 1850’s.
An Arctic Timeline : 1496-1962
http://www.south-pole.com/arctic00.htm

DR
March 2, 2009 6:17 am

Let’s guess foinavon, the arctic sea ice conditions are “unprecedented” in human history, and irreversible due to increases in atmospheric CO2, right? That is of course unless we take drastic action, high taxes and government control, to curb the inevitable catastrophe.
Quote all the “peer reviewed” (fast becoming an advocacy mechanism masquerading as science) articles predicting such doom, there’s no shortage of them. Much of modern day “research” is little more than workfare for otherwise unemployed scientists. The sow’s teets are swollen from the milk of public treasure.
Since the hockey stick, Hansen’s “smoking gun”, Santer’s non-existent hot-spot, Dessler 2008 runaway water vapor feedback, Steig and countless others, many are questioning the whole process of publishing in journals as being a dumping ground for pro-AGW propaganda rather than real legitimate scientific research.
Getting your picture on the cover of The Rolling Stone Nature does not make it legitimate in my book.

Hank
March 2, 2009 6:36 am

It’s great that Walt Meier is willing to interact on this blog. What I am curious about are the particulars of how this sensor failed. Since it seemed fail by drifting away from typical numbers it had been producing, how confident is the NSIDC that they can pinpoint exactly when this sensor began to fail and does this tell their engineers anything about accuracy of these instruments and the ways they should be calibrated?

Steve Keohane
March 2, 2009 6:55 am

Mike Bryant (04:11:38) I had wondered that myself since I posted that overlaid image in December. I have thought of making a pixel count of the delta in the shoreline, but it seems overly ambitious and tedious to do by hand. It would be much simpler if Walt would just address the difference. Glad to see the image is still kicking around.

foinavon
March 2, 2009 6:55 am

Malcolm (04:46:47) :

The link below is a paper on the Artic Sea Ice Fluctuations from1953 to 1977 by John E Walsh & Claudia M Johnson, Journal of Physical Oceanography.
http://ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0485/9/3/pdf/i1520-0485-9-3-580.pdf
One of the paper’s conclusions is that, and I quote, “The trend in total Artic Sea ice extent computed from the 300 month sample is POSITIVE and statistically SIGNIFICANT”.
To put it another way, there was a recorded growth in the Artic Sea ice extent from 1953 to 1977.

John Walsh reassessed and extended his analysis of Arctic sea ice extent from observational (and including satellite data) back to 1900 (and forward to 1997) in work published in 2001[***].
The conclusions are that considering winter (i.e. max) sea ice extent, the levels were largely flat from 1901 to around 1972 from which they progressively trended downwards; i.e. continually reduced max sea ice extent from around 1972-1997 (and beyond as we now know).
Considering minimum (summer) sea ice extent, the values were flattish from 1901 to around 1970 (with some bumps giving minor maxima in summer sea ice extent around 1915 and 1950)….followed by a progressive decrease through to 1997 (and beyond as we now know).
The total sea ice extent was flattish from 1901 through to 1970, followed by a progressive decrease from that time (and beyond as we now know).
As Walsh and Chapman point out, the earlier analysis was based on spatially limited data sets, and they describe a range of new data sets that give spatial coverage throughout a greater proportion of the Arctic region and allow extension of the series back to the start of the 20th century. The data for the pre-satellite period is still lacking in full coverage, and this should still be considered provisional (I would have thought!).
[***] Walsh JE and Chapman WL (2001) 20th-century sea-ice variations from observational data Annals of Glaciology 33 444-448
Abstract: In order to extend diagnoses of recent sea-ice variations beyond the past few decades, a century-scale digital dataset of Arctic sea-ice coverage has been compiled. For recent decades, the compilation utilizes satellite-derived hemispheric datasets. Regional datasets based primarily on ship reports and aerial reconnaissance are the primary inputs for the earlier part of the 20th century. While the various datasets contain some discrepancies, they capture the same general variations during their period of overlap. The outstanding feature of the time series of total hemispheric ice extent is a decrease that has accelerated during the past several decades. The decrease is greatest in summer and weakest in winter, contrary to the seasonality of the greenhouse changes projected by most global climate models. The primary spatial modes of sea-ice variability, diagnosed in terms of empirical orthogonal functions, also show a strong seasonality. The first winter mode is dominated by an opposition of anomalies in the western and eastern North Atlantic, corresponding to the well-documented North Atlantic Oscillation. The primary summer mode depicts an anomaly of the same sign over nearly the entire Arctic and captures the recent trend of sea-ice coverage.

Jim Powell
March 2, 2009 7:01 am

Dr. Meier thank you very much for taking your time to make this post. I have followed the global warming issue for several years now. The best overall explanation that I have read so far is by Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu. http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/recovery_little_ice_age.pdf
He has a 400 year perspective of the issue.
When I looked at the current ice situation in the arctic a definite pattern appeared. The ice in the seas closest to the North Atlantic were below normal. When making the statement “The error in no changed any of our conclusions about the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice. The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning”, and I am reading into this from a previous post “It is the preponderance of evidence presented in thousands of articles that provides the foundation for the human-induced global warming theory” that you feel that the declining ice is due to man caused global warming, how do you separate out the influence of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, NAO/AO? Here is a link, http://www.bnhclub.org/JimP/jp/seaice2252009.JPG
to how I separated out the northern cryosphere. All of the seas that are in direct contact with the North Atlantic are slightly down. The Bering Sea is up by 36%. Why is it that the seas in contact with the North Atlantic are influenced by global warming and the Bering Sea is not?
My belief is that the atmosphere is warmed by the oceans and not the other way around. The AMO and the PDO having been in the peak of there 60 year cycles and are warming the atmosphere of the northern hemisphere. Would you agree with that? Shouldn’t the focus be on a sea by sea basis? Would you please explain what the different issues that are associated with the Sea of Okhotsk sea ice? It is geographically separated from the rest of the northern cyrosphere. Thank you.

TerryBixler
March 2, 2009 7:09 am

Alan
Got it, but then we assume that only the ice floating on the ocean has shrunk and not the ice connected to land mass. Funny how ice knows where it lives. Sorry I did not include the thought in the original post. Further some metrics suggest that the sea levels have actually declined in the latter part of the 20th century (tide gages)

Garacka
March 2, 2009 7:22 am

Anyone else getting tired of so many references to research being prefaced with “peer-reviewed”?
Given the number of major climate topics where peer review has failed, you’d think that the climate folks should be coming up with a new term to discourage folks from looking behind that curtain.

Pamela Gray
March 2, 2009 7:23 am

Ice thins in a warm ocean. Ice thickens in a cold ocean. The Arctic currents are connected to the cold and warm phase of the Atlantic Oscillation. There are both warm and cold currents that mingle in the area, from oceanic and fresh water sources. If you know where, when, and how ice melts in the Arctic ocean, and you know where, when, and how the Arctic currents flow, ice thinning and thickening long term trends makes perfect natural sense.

jlc
March 2, 2009 7:23 am

Let’s not get carried away. Walt Meier is government employee with some science qualifications. He is not Galileo and he is not Neils Bohr.
It appears to me that his response is part of a strategy to throw a few bones to the sceptics without conceding any ground.
As another commenter noted, we all work very hard – this does not mean that we are always (or ever) right.
Without definitions (particularly of “long-term”) this is neither scientific or honest.
In addition, the numerous typos and grammatical errors do little to inspire confidence.

Robert Rust
March 2, 2009 7:29 am

Mr. Meier,
Do you remember the 1st time you responded to Mr. Watts after he reported the incorrect information published by your organization? You said something along the lines that it didn’t make sense why Mr. Watts would blog about this.
Mr. Meier, given that you’re right in the middle of an organization that feeds the media information that is getting a very large amount of global attention. A large amount of Global Attention. In order for me to believe the post you have put up here, I have to believe that you do not have the slightest clue regarding the perceptions of people across the planet. I read each word of your lengthy post looking for some kind of acknowledgement on your part. Here is the only sentence that I could find:
———————–
Dr. Meier says…..
However, in terms of responding to data issues, NSIDC and like centers have been slow to realize that the audience for such data has expanded beyond fellow scientists and informed journalists and that any issues need to be addressed as soon as possible lest they confuse or mislead the public.
———————–
Again, you’re asking me to believe that you’re totally clueless about how the media uses information from your organization for their purposes. Even though most commenters have been able to, I do not understand why you’d get a pass for this.

March 2, 2009 7:34 am

I’m sorry. I’m not enamored with Dr. Meier’s reply. Certain things he mentioned ignore facts, to the point that I am not sure that anything could change his mind.

Eric Anderson
March 2, 2009 7:39 am

Thanks, foinavon.
You wrote: “. . . one can infer that new ice formed directly on the water surface will be thinner than ice that accumulates on pre-existing sea ice.”
Just a dumb question on my part:
How does new ice accumulate on pre-existing ice? Does it grow in the water from underneath? Other than some minor amount of snowfall from above that might get compacted into ice, it seems there wouldn’t be any “thickening” from above.

Jack Green
March 2, 2009 7:49 am

Somebody needs to study the recently failed sensor history from when it was manufactured and see if it has failed in the past. How long has it been used and are there any other ways of testing if the historical data has been “questioned” because of it? Do we have independent verification of sea ice extent such as digitizing satellite photos, on the ground measurements, etc. I’m sorry if this has been already discussed but I would not trust data from a failed sensor that was not discovered for a couple of months. It means to me that the scientists have relied on it without question and have designed a system that has no backup or scaling sequence. In my work I always have independent verification built into my modeling as “reasonableness check” before I make any conclusions. Just a thought.

Malcolm
March 2, 2009 7:50 am

Just to correct a typo, (Malcolm (04:46:47)):
I said: “The Artic Sea ice extent in the late 1970s and early 1980s was at a RECORDED HIGH. ” That should have been “late 1960s”.
In addition:
It is noticeable from the paper, see link below, that Artic sea ice extent was at low for the period 1957 to 1964.
http://ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0485/9/3/pdf/i1520-0485-9-3-580.pdf
This marked low in Artic Sea ice extent is very similar to the low recorded over the last 6-7 years. So you can contend that such periodic and extended lows are not uncommon. As such they should be included when determining the long term mean values for Artic Sea ice extent.
I estimate that the mean value for Artic Sea ice extent for the period 1978 – 2000 is at least 0.5 million sq. km. higher than that of the mean value for the longer period 1953 – 2009.
The major point (1) put forward by Walt Meir can now be tackled, i.e.” The error in no changed any of our conclusions about the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice. The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning.”
The second sentence is true – the Artic sea ice extent has declined significantly and the ice has thinned, but this also happened in the early late 1950s and early 1960s. So it is not uncommon.
The first sentence is wrong – the exclusion of data for the period 1953 to 1977 has led to an erroneous conclusion about the long term changes. The trend in Artic Sea ice is not signficant.

Antonio San
March 2, 2009 7:55 am

Foinavon, thank you for informative links. Yet they still do not answer my question: where is the 100y old arctic sea ice if not melted through periodic melt events making the latest one we observe now far from unprecedented?

AKD
March 2, 2009 8:05 am

Thanks for the post Dr. Meier.
Just to be clear: one of the leading indicators of anthropogenic global warming is a somewhat weak local trend over the period of a few decades?

March 2, 2009 8:18 am

Any sinusoidal system, Arctic Sea Ice is one, would by its nature pass through its average ted line twice each cycle. Arctic Sea ice has an annual cycle. What George Will and Asher did was take two points in that historical record where the amounts/data matched. Coincidentally, their selected dates were near the ends of the data collecting periods.
Their analysis was correct! It could have been correct for any year. What was serendipitous for them was the dates and data matched (very closely) at the ends of the data collection period.
Compounding this analysis issue is that the upper limits of annual growth of Arctic Sea Ice is limited by the land boundaries. So, any analysis could have found many dates when the Arctic sea ice was area/extent were equal.
They’re crime? To imply that it indicated that Arctic Sea Ice was growing AND didn’t support AGW.

DaveE
March 2, 2009 8:25 am

Allan M R MacRae (19:00:25) :
“We know that 1934 was the warmest year in the lower 48 states of the USA.”
I suggest you check GISS Allan. Last time I checked, it was tying with 1998.
DaveE.