
I assume that everyone has seen the post on our website discussing the changes that NSIDC has instituted to make our sea ice data available again. I don’t want to repeat that, but I thought I would respond to some of the more general issues that came up in Anthony’s posts and accompanying comments. I thank Anthony for giving me this opportunity. I write here from my personal viewpoint and not in an official capacity as a representative of NSIDC or the University of Colorado.
I apologize for the error in our data and for the relative slowness in responding to it. I’m glad that so many people are interested in the data and I understand that seeing errors is frustrating and can undermine confidence in the data. Anthony is correct that many people do now pay close attention to our website and we do have a responsibility to attend to errors as fast as we can. We will try to do better in the future. There are two major points that I hope everyone can take away from this event:
(1) The error in no changed any of our conclusions about the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice. The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning.
(2) Errors like the one that occurred are part of the normal course of dealing with satellite data. We hope that they are rare, but they are not unexpected.
On the first point, there is no doubt; it is verified by numerous independent observations and is well-discussed in numerous places, including in the entries on our analysis web page.
On the second point, I think it is worth providing some background on satellite data and how it is processed, stored, and used by scientists, including those at NSIDC. In doing so, I’m not making excuses for the error in NSIDC’s data, but I hope I can help people understand how such errors are part of the scientific process of quality controlling and fine-tuning data and techniques to ultimately provide the best information possible to track climate change.
Climate science is focused on understanding long-term changes and the mechanisms that drive them. In terms of satellite data, this means taking great care and making the data as good as it can possibly be. The focus is on assuring a time series good enough to track potentially subtle trends. This involves careful quality control of data and developing and fine-tuning algorithms to convert raw satellite data into a useful climate parameter (such as sea ice extent). Like all of science this has traditionally been done slowly, methodically, and privately. And up until about ten years ago, there was no other choice but to move slowly because of severe constraints on computer processing speeds, limited data storage capacities, and difficulties in simply sharing data. One of the earliest papers to note the long-term decline in Arctic sea ice was published in 1999 (Parkinson et al., J. Geophysical Research); it was based on data only through 1996. It simply took that long to collect and carefully analyze the data, make sure algorithms were robust and stable, and get a paper through scientific peer-review.
Data distribution was also limited because of similar computational, storage, and distribution constraints. For example, NSIDC used to received updates every five years or so of final quality-controlled sea ice products. We would then distribute the data by mail on CD-ROM only to registered users.
Immediate data analysis was solely the province of operational centers, like the National Weather Service, who had special access to near-real-time data. Their focus was on getting only what was needed of any data before moving on to the next analysis or forecast cycle. Quality control was focused on catching major errors; smaller errors that didn’t significantly impact a short-term analysis were not caught or were ignored. There was no consideration given to the long-term context of the data, which were often not even saved.
There was a very clear delineation between science and operations.
Science is still done slowly and methodically, with final results disseminated the way they always have been – through peer-reviewed scientific journals. It still takes time to do final quality control on climate products. NSIDC now receives final sea ice data about once a year. But in the past ten years or so, access to data has changed dramatically. Computer processing power and data storage capacities have increased exponentially and high-speed internet has allowed near instantaneous distribution of data to a broad community. Satellite data that used to require days or weeks of processing and required dozens of tapes or CDs to store can now be processed in minutes, stored on a portable hard drive or even a memory stick, and distributed over the internet. This has been a boon to scientists who now have much faster and easier access to large amounts of data.
At the same time algorithms have matured and become more stable. This means that significant adjustments to the algorithms are not regularly needed and they can be run confidently on near-real-time data, with the understanding that the results may change during final quality-control. This has allowed to NSIDC implement a near-real-time version of the sea ice data. For the past several years this data has been freely distributed online for anyone who wished to use it, though the primary audience was scientists who would be familiar with associated caveats of using near-real-time data.
In this context, let me now move on to NSIDC and its Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis web site. NSIDC is a science institution. Our mission is science and science support, not operational support for any kind of critical operational decisions (e.g., what regions are free enough of sea ice to be safely navigated). Because we must focus on science, the resources we can devote to near-real-time data production and analysis are limited. Nonetheless, as climate change became an important topic, it was clear that Arctic sea ice was a leading indicator of the observed changes. Since NSIDC stores and distributes the sea ice data, many people started to come to NSIDC scientists to ask about sea ice conditions and the implications for the climate. When 2005 set a record low summer extent, there was a lot of media attention; in response we issued a press release. Through summer 2006 we received many requests asking about how the ice was looking, both from the media and fellow scientists. As the summer wore on it started to feel a bit like being on a family road trip and having the kids in the back continually asking “are we there yet?” As summer 2007 started, it was a clear that a new record low was quite possible. The questions began again in earnest.
In the sense that science ultimately serves society, it was becoming apparent that scientists and the public were coming to expect a near-real-time analysis of Arctic sea ice conditions. In response, we decided to develop the website so that we could post occasional data updates and science-based discussion of the conditions. This worked quite well, but the summer of 2007 was so remarkable and Arctic sea ice had become such a big story both scientifically and in the public consciousness that we realized there would be the expectation to do even more during 2008. In response, in addition to our occasional summer posts of data and analysis, we decided to provide daily data updates and at least monthly analyses throughout the year. This decision was possible only because the products are mature and stable and further quality control to produce final data results in only minor changes. This was an added burden on NSIDC resources, but with automated processing the day-to-day impacts could be managed.
This all evolved in an ad hoc manner, with improvements made when we had resources available. Remember, none of this is NSIDC’s primary mission, which is to archive hundreds of cryospheric datasets and support peer-reviewed research. The sea ice analysis website is one of dozens of research and data management projects at NSIDC. People working on the web site often have to fit it in where and when they can amid other duties. There is no single person at NSIDC who works only or even primarily on the sea ice analysis page. This is not an ideal situation, but it is the only way we can support the analysis while still fulfilling all of our responsibilities.
This is one reason why we appeared slow to address the error last week. We have a group at NSIDC whose responsibility is to respond to user questions and comments on any of our hundreds of datasets. NSIDC’s standard is to provide a response to user inquiries within 24 hours during the business week. This is very quick for a science institution and NSIDC’s user services works very hard to always meet that standard. However, it is not particularly fast compared an operational center that works on a 24/7 schedule. We will work to put into place better QC measures and more streamlined procedures to catch future errors more quickly, but we simply do not have the resources to work in an operational environment.
This of course begs the question: why don’t operational centers do this instead of NSIDC? Operational centers do indeed provide near-real-time sea ice data. However, I believe there are a couple reasons why operational centers are not poised to provide the kind of science-based support found at NSIDC. First, their only priority is on supporting critical users with the most useful operational information about sea ice – e.g., ships sailing in and near ice-infested waters; their data is not well-suited for easy understanding by a general audience. Second, operational centers are focused on near-real-time support, not on climate issues. Thus their expertise in putting near-real-time data in the context of long-term climate is limited.
NSIDC and other climate data/research centers (e.g., NASA GISS) do have that expertise. And that is crucial. It is only through evaluation of the near-real-time data in the context of the long-term climate that one can properly assess the relevance to climate change. This mixture of climate science and near-real-time data analysis is perhaps not optimal, but I think it is worthwhile.
The easy access to climate data has been a boon for scientists and I would argue it has also been a great benefit for society. Science ultimately serves society and quick and easy access to data provides quality up-to-date information on important issues, such as climate change. The problem is that such data can come to be viewed by journalists and other members of the public as completely routine and reliable. When small changes or errors occur, they may be given greater import than they deserve in terms of what they imply about climate change. This means there is a responsibility for places like NSIDC distributing data to thoroughly explain the data and respond quickly to any issues. I believe NSIDC does an excellent job in explaining the data through considerable documentation on all aspects of the sea ice data. However, in terms of responding to data issues, NSIDC and like centers have been slow to realize that the audience for such data has expanded beyond fellow scientists and informed journalists and that any issues need to be addressed as soon as possible lest they confuse or mislead the public. This is a difficult task for places like NSIDC, whose resources are limited and whose primary mission is not operational support. The recent data error has been a learning experience for those of us at NSIDC and we will try to do better.
I hope that this information gives people a greater appreciation for the hard-work done by my colleagues at NSIDC and an understanding of the difficulties inherent in supporting near-real-time data with limited resources amid myriad other responsibilities. Finally, I hope that people come away with a better sense of what goes into analyzing satellite data and how such data is so beneficial to our understanding of climate. Thank you.
Walt Meier
I think the NSIDC site covers the issue abut declining ice quite enough:
http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/07/010709074127.htm
THanks
http://forum.hawahome.com/
Rob (11:25:16) :
No. It had nothing to do with funding or who peer-reviewed the study. What an odd view! As Walsh states in his 2001 paper, the updating of his 1979 study resulted from the identification of new data compilations in the following 20-odd years that allowed the original limited regions of the Arctic to be extended to cover a much larger region and to be extended back in time to the start of the 20th century.
After wading through all of this, I think it is safe to say that the Arctic sea ice has been thinning and and becoming less extensive since the late 1970s to 2007. Since then, the trend has reversed somewhat. Just like with the atmospheric sounders, the failure of the satellite ice sensors gives one pause. In other words, how much of the trend is the result of sensor issues? A post describing a visual observation from a plane of a frozen James Bay while the satellite still showed open water makes me wonder about the extent of the problem. These ‘failures’ were not sudden and complete, but gradual.
Foinavon supplies some interesting studies about pre-satellite era ice extent, but my education predates the satellite era as well. I was taught that regional climate changed; that the MWP and LIA were real and that Arctic ice also changed. The studies of that era provided convincing evidence. I find it strange that studies conducted in the present era of global warming funding all report NEW ‘old data’ that show NO CHANGES! Granted, detailed information about arctic sea ice is sketchy at best before the 1970s, so perhaps one can skew the data anyway they want.
It is interesting that good historical data in places like Europe and the US always show a cyclical climate, with some periods warmer and some periods cooler. It is only in areas where the data is not good, like remote geographical regions or in the distant past, that we are asked to believe that the climate was stable, even when there is ample anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
The bottom line is that the Earth seems to have been in a general warming trend for over 200 years. Increasing CO2 could not possibly be blamed for the first 120 years or so. For the last 80 years, the warming seems to be in lock-step with the PDO/AMO combination and perhaps an active sun, leaving only a minor influence from CO2. I am troubled that Dr. Meier makes it a point to say the the observations are consistent with the theory of man-made global warming. Yes, but the observations are far more consistent with the theory of natural/cyclical warming.
A scientist should always go with the theory that explains the observations most effectively. Clearly, increasing CO2 is not the only explanation for what we are observing, or even the best. The fact that federally funded scientists are almost universally myopic on possible explanations for global climate observations is strong evidence that man-made global warming is fueled by grants and not CO2.
Foinavon, thank you for the exact quote by Dr. Maslanik. Indeed if arctic sea ice is unlikely to reach the venerable age of 100y old, it confirms regular processes conspire against it and do not allow it to happen. Observing in details never documented before the result of strong warm air advection and its modest interaction with sea ice by no means exclude a similar process did not occur in the past before satellites offered day to day variations -hopefully reliable-. Again the climatic shift to a rapid mode of circulation observed by Leroux and confirmed by Pommier 2005 in the North Atlantic, by Fravre & Gershunov in 2006,2008 in the Pacific very naturally explains the arctic ice patterns. Indeed even Dr. Meier in his monthly report mentions the atmospheric circulation and winds…
DaveE (10:28:02) :
Rocket Man (09:03:30) :
“DaveE, At one time GISS had 1998 the hottest year, then it was 1934, now they are tied (I will take your word for that as I don’t bother with GISS).”
The correction making 1934 hotter was done grudgingly at the prompting of Steve McIntyre.
Another myth, Hansen always said that 1934 held the record for the US, he didn’t make any correction to the data to make it so.
Jim Powell (07:01:55) :
Re: http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/recovery_little_ice_age.pdf .
Thank you for pointing out this article. I urge everyone here to read it. Please. It is long but worth it. I especially liked the incredible ability of GCM’s to hindcast the observations (NOT). Interesting indeed.
That’s the most interesting climate paper I’ve read so far this year. It seems perfectly logical, very well supported by data, flows very well from data to conclusions, and contradicts the IPCC on a number of counts, even if doing so in a polite way.
Prediction: It will be difficult if not impossible to find a publisher. Radical departure from the prescribed dogma. Makes entirely too much sense and does not need or use undecodable algorithms to make its point. Clear. Direct. Transparent. Obvious. These are not the qualities of a worthy climatology paper… are they? I mean who goes around using “old” data anyway? This stuff hasn’t even been homogenized or anything… We want “fresh” data.
I’d love to see the peer review comments. What are they going to say to a paper like that?… “We know you’re right, but it contradicts everything we’ve already told everyone. Sorry pal. Bring it back when it says it’s all CO2. Gotta run, here comes my jet.”
Great paper. Thanks again.
foinavon, the 3 studies you show support my point that, The ‘ice is thinning’ argument is mostly inference.
Those studies are (mostly) about one year, 2007, have direct measurements of ice thickness in only small areas which are known to melt on an annual basis, and rely on ‘proxies’. Proxy meaning infering ice thickness from ice age.
I realize the ‘thinning Arctic ice’ is dear to the hearts of Warmers everywhere, but there is no good evidence that Arctic ice is thinning over any period longer than 1 or 2 years or over the Arctic as a whole.
Jim Powell:
Thanks for the link to the 52-page paper, “The Recovery from the Little Ice Age”:
http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/recovery_little_ice_age.pdf
Here is its Abstract, to tempt others to dip into it:
“Two natural components of the presently progressing climate change are identified.
“The first one is an almost linear global temperature increase of about 0.5°C/100 years (~1°F/100 years), which seems to have started at least one hundred years before 1946 when manmade CO2 in the atmosphere began to increase rapidly. This value of 0.5°C/100 years may be compared with what the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) scientists consider to be the manmade greenhouse effect of 0.6°C/100 years. This 100-year long linear warming trend is likely to be a natural change. One possible cause of this linear increase may be Earth’s continuing recovery from the Little Ice Age (1400-1800). This trend (0.5°C/100 years) should be subtracted from the temperature data during the last 100 years when estimating the manmade contribution to the present global warming trend. As a result, there is a possibility that only a small fraction of the present warming trend is attributable to the greenhouse effect resulting from human activities. Note that both glaciers in many places in the world and sea ice in the Arctic Ocean that had developed during the Little Ice Age began to recede after 1800 and are still receding; their recession is thus not a recent phenomenon.
“The second one is the multi-decadal oscillation, which is superposed on the linear change. One of them is the “multi-decadal oscillation,” which is a natural change. This particular change has a positive rate of change of about 0.15°C/10 years from about 1975, and is thought to be a sure sign of the greenhouse effect by the IPCC. But, this positive trend stopped after 2000 and now has a negative slope. As a result, the global warming trend stopped in about 2000-2001.
“Therefore, it appears that the two natural changes have a greater effect on temperature changes than the greenhouse effects of CO2. These facts are contrary to the IPCC Report (2007, p.10), which states that “most” of the present warming is due “very likely” to be the manmade greenhouse effect. They predict that the warming trend continues after 2000. Contrary to their prediction, the warming halted after 2000.
“There is an urgent need to correctly identify natural changes and remove them from the present global warming/cooling trend, in order to accurately identify the contribution of the manmade greenhouse effect. Only then can the contribution of CO2 be studied quantitatively.”
Michael D Smith / Jim Powell / Roger Knights: “The best overall explanation that I have read so far is by Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu”? I hope you’re wrong about that because it probably WILL have a tough time getting into a peer-reviewed journal. 52 pages! Journals have budgets to meet, and favor concise, focussed submissions regardless of merit (or “in-crowd” popularity).
As an aside, what is with all this rhetoric of exclusion? “They” won’t publish the skeptic’s “truths” because it goes against “prescribed dogma”? Pure sour grapes. Show me ONE journal editor or scientist who wouldn’t LOVE to be hailed for writing or publishing research that replaces conventional understanding with a better one. At the “pointy end” of science, that’s what it’s all about.
Back to the lauded paper. The first paragraphs flat-out state that the IPCC is wrong and ascribe natural causes in defiant italics. Soon we see straight lines “intuitively” assigned to curving data trends (this shows up often in the paper). The interpretation of CO2 data charted on page 5 ignores the concept of rate of change while trying to prove that CO2 and temperature are not linked.
Fundamentally this is argument, not science.
My mind started to wander, as I am learning here that I’m quite dim-witted and emotional, but it is clear that he’s pulled together a lot of data sources, particularly on anecdotal glacier retreats (I’m not saying this critically). One thing, by chance, did catch my eye on page 16. The blossoming dates of Japanese cherry trees is described as indicating a linear temperature increase from 1830 but to me it seems clearly flat until the middle of the 20th century when it turns notably upward. It’s just one data set among many, and comically refers to actual cherries, but it’s awkward for his premise of purely natural and linear recent temperature trends.
Ben Lawson:”Show me ONE journal editor or scientist who wouldn’t LOVE to be hailed for writing or publishing research that replaces conventional understanding with a better one. At the “pointy end” of science, that’s what it’s all about.”
I don’t think I’d be too willing to publish a paper refuting the editorial line I’d been following for a number of years. An editorial line which had in fact been followed and adopted by politicians all over the world with the results that citizens everywhere were being taxed good dollars on the forecasts of my contributors.
Nature refused to publish McIntyre and McKitrick 2005, firstly because it was too complicated and then because it was too short. That paper’s conclusions were subsequently endorsed unequivocally by an eminent statistician and by Gerry North of the NAS. (who it has to be said has since watered down his endorsement once out of the glare of public gaze).
Another reason could be that the editor holds a scientific view contrary to the proposed paper, I believe you’ll find that Robert Hooke, when president of the Royal Society refused to publish a paper on the nature of light put forward by Issac Newton which proposed that white light was made up of multiple colours. Hooke, and the scientific consenus of the day believed that white was the purest form of light so simply refused to publish the paper.
Newton’s revenge was to say, “If I have been able to see a little further, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants.’
Hooke was a diminutive hunchback.
DaveE (08:25:32) :
Allan M R MacRae (19:00:25) :
“We know that 1934 was the warmest year in the lower 48 states of the USA.”
I suggest you check GISS Allan. Last time I checked, it was tying with 1998.
DaveE.
Thank you Dave,
It’s difficult to keep up with all the changes in GISS data. Last I read, Steve McIntyre found serious errors in the GISS data and caused GISS to admit that 1934 was warmer than 1998 for the “lower 48”. I don’t use GISS ST data – too many problems with lack of quality. Anyway, let’s assume 1934 and 1998 are now considered a tie by GISS, as you say.
Global average surface temperature (Hadcrut3 ST) shows ~0.2C more warming than lower tropospheric temperature (UAH LT) since 1979. This suggests a warming bias of ~0.07C/decade for global ST. See Figure 1 at
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
Adjust to the lower 48 land-only area, and the ST warming bias will be much greater than this global average bias. Michaels and McKitrick (2007) suggest a global warming bias for land-only ST’s of 0.13C/decade.
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/jgr07/M&M.JGR07-background.pdf
For the 5.5 decades between 1934 and 1998, the land-based warming bias is ~~0.7C.
I would conclude that ST for the lower 48 was much (~~0.7C) warmer in 1934 than 1998.
This conclusion is further supported by historical evidence. Does anyone remember a huge US Midwest drought in 1998? No? How about in the 1930’s? John Steinbeck, “Grapes of Wrath” and all that.
Regards, Allan
Allan M R MacRae (19:00:25) – Steady, Allan, spreading this kind of material risks spoiling the best scam since Tulipmania.
Smokey (10:32:45) :
Why december – juiciest cherries?!
Heres a plot showing average september total sea ice for N S hemispheres:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3866/totalnsseaiceextentsept.jpg
This shows 1979 toal sea ice as 25.5 and 2008 toal sea ice is 23.17
data available here:
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/
Mike
The arctic sea ice is limited in max extent by land
The antactic is the opposite the min extent is limited by there being no more ice to melt
Changes in the arctic maximum will be compressed
Changes in the antactic minimum will be compressed
Mike
To (partly) echo Anthony’s first comment, this essay is a breath of fresh air compared to some other posts.
Glad to see the big picture clearly stated here: “The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning.”
What I find most intersting about the arctic ice extent is why hasn’t it been affected more?
Clearly, it has not declined “significantly” or it could never have been equal to 1979 a couple of months ago. Why does it matter if it melts a little more in the summer than it did 30 years ago if it all freezes up again. There are literally dozens of reasons for this that have absolutely nothing to do with CO2.
We know so little about the multitude of variables that impact climate. This becomes more apparent each and every day.
Ben Lawson wrote:
“Fundamentally this is argument, not science.”
But, if science = falsification–and purported falsification–then argument must be a large part of science. No?
Bart Verheggen (13:17:42) :
“Glad to see the big picture clearly stated here: ‘The ice extent is declining significantly and the ice is thinning.’”
Append “since the 1970s” and you’ve alluded to an even bigger picture. (Ditto with surface temperatures.)
I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don’t know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.
Sarah
http://www.craigslistdecoded.info
Bart Verheggen, When you said…
…you left out the pertinent fact that the comment only referred to the Arctic, not to global ice extent.
That pretty much negates your “big picture.”
Roger Knights: “But, if science = falsification–and purported falsification–then argument must be a large part of science. No?” No is correct. “Science” is the systematic acquisition of knowledge about the natural world. “Falsifiability” is whether the predictions of a scientific theory can be tested to determine if they support or undermine it.
My point of view is perhaps not very scientific, but I’m glad to read that “old ice” is replaced by “new ice”. Just imagine what would happen if the “old ice” stayed and the “new ice” was added.
“…argument must be a large part of science.”
How can that not be true?
Science progresses through observation and experiment, and is validated by replication, and by honest attempts to falsify the observations and experiments. This cannot be done without argument; debate, if you prefer. The goal is a meeting of the minds, which has certainly not happened in the climate debate.
And that, my friend, is why skeptics are suspicious of AGW claims. Those making the AGW claims resist attempts to replicate their claimed observations and experiments, by not willingly archiving their data and methodologies for other scientists to review, which is necessary for the Scientific Method to work. Instead, they want everyone to simply take their word for it; the science is settled.
Grant money, which is funneled primarily to those espousing the AGW/global warming hypothesis, and the well documented hijacking of the climate science peer-review process, has created a great deal of suspicion about all climate science.
The responsibility for the public’s distrust must be laid directly at the feet of those who connive to promote their agenda. In their scheming for money and status, the small clique manipulating the system are unfairly making all scientists look dishonest.