Resources

This is a page of commonly used web resources and links about weather stations, weather data, climate data, and FTP data sites for data. Feel free to suggest additional links in the comments below:

Atmosphere

ATM/Oceans Cycles review paper
http://www.bio.puc.cl/caseb/casebpdf/Stenseth&al.2003.PRSL.pdf

Atmospheric Layers (Includes Temps.)
http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/layers.htm

Atmospheric Composition: %, Chem symbol
http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/atmos_intro.htm

Greenhouse Gas Amounts, Weighted contribution
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Aqua Satellite (Cloud cover/CO2 feedback)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=The+Australian+Marohasy&spell=1
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/wells-hall-off-topic-board/309347-oops-nasa-aqua-satellite-data-shows-global-warming-models-wrong.html
http://enso.larc.nasa.gov/ceres/pub/conference/Minnis.SPIE.05.pdf
http://www.nbr.co.nz/print/print.asp?id=21153&cid=39&cname=NBR
Arctic Oscillation (AO)
http://jisao.washington.edu/ao/
http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/Correlation/ao.data

Antarctic Oscillation (AAO) data series
Graph/ Data Series: http://www.lasg.ac.cn/staff/ljp/data-NAM-SAM-NAO/SAM(AAO).htm
http://jisao.washington.edu/data/aao/

Arctic/Antarctic Ice, Cycles
http://ioc3.unesco.org/oopc/meetings/oopc-9/presentations/tueAM/Speer_SO_INDICES.pdf

Air Pressure & issues
http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/pressure.htm

Earth/Atmosphere Energy Balance:
http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/energy.htm

Weather Map (Temperatures, 1880 – date, adjusted)
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-monthly/index.php
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/GCAGtsalt?mon1=1&monb1=1&mone1=1&bye1=1880&eye1=2006&graph=Lineplot&TS=6&nzi=99&dat=BLEND&sbeX=-180.0&sbeY=90.0&senX=180.0&senY=-90.0

GHCN (Global Historical Climate Network)
Watts-Observed CRN quality ratings (460 stations observed)
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/ushcn-national-weather-station-quality-plot/#comments

Atmosphere Layers
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/atmosphere.html
Methane (effect vs. CO2), Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mysterious-stabilization

Greenhouse Emissions
http://yosemite.epa.gov/OAR/globalwarming.nsf/content/ResourceCenterPublicationsGHGEmissionsUSEmissionsInventory2006.html

Atmospheric Water:
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercycleatmosphere.html

Tornados decline 1950-date
http://www.geocities.com/andrewwerdna28/Klimacht25_files/image010.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/andrewwerdna28/Klimacht25_files/image012.jpg

CO2 Measurements IMPORTANT, p. 739, Climate Change Reexamined
http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/ccr.pdf

CO2 Measurements (Ferdinand Engelbeen)
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/co2_measurements.html

Measuring Atmospheric C02: Paul Williams
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/001983.html

Greenhouse Effect (By Gas)
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Climate Anomaly Data:

GISS (Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York)
GISS dataset temperature index data here

HadCRUT (Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature, UK)
HadCRUT3 anomaly data which can be found here
description of the HadCRUT3 data file columns is here

NCDC (National Climatic Data Center)
Interactive Climate Data Website here

RSS (Remote Sensing Systems, Santa Rosa)
RSS data here (RSS Data Version 3.2)

UAH (University of Alabama, Huntsville)
Reference: UAH lower troposphere data

How the UAH Global Temperatures are Produced

Daily Earth Temperatures from Satellites
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/

Temperature Data:

World Temps (Surface) 1880-2008
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt

Temperature Anomaly by Month (World), 1900-2000 (Average Temps.)
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/anomalies.html

HadCRUT, GISS, MSU, UAH temperature anomalies 1979-2007
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/4metrics_temp_anomalies.txt

Temperature/CO2.Graph 1880 – pres.:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalWarmingUpdate/

GISS Surface Anomalies 1998 – 2008 (World, Land, Land-Sea)
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.txt

MSU/RSS (Satellite measurements) Atmosphere Temp Anomalies (L.M.U Trop., L. Strat.) 1979-2007
http://www.remss.com/msu/msu_data_description.html

Map of Raw Temperature (USA)
http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/usgrid79.gif

Map of GISS-Adjusted Temperature (USA)
http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/usgrid81.gif

Current Temperatures, World, US
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/monitoring.html

Historical & Med./Long Term Geologial Temps.
http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/archibald2007.pdf

Temperatures to 100mya (Svalgaard ref.) Comment 36. (Crowley, 1996)
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2985#comments

Seas and Lakes:

PDO monthly index values (back to 1900)
http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

Polar sea ice
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Monthly ENSO index
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/table.html

Current ENSO plot
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/

SST anomaly map
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo&hot.html

Great Lakes levels, current month
http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/DailyWaterLevels/dialogs.cfm?units=us&months=0&displaymode=sum

Source page for historical Great Lakes levels
http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes/hh/greatlakeswaterlevels/historicdata/greatlakeshydrographs/index.cfm?submit=1

Solar:

Monthly Solar Indices:
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/RecentIndices.txt

“Dirty Snow”
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=16674

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070606113327.htm
-3% albedo in North America, NASA/CU)
25% of world warming since 1880 (NASA/CU)

Full Solar Argument
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

Solar data, historical graphs, temperature correlations
http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/Solar_Arch_NY_Mar2_08.pdf

Total Solar Irradiance (TSI)
Satellite: 1366 w./m2 +/- 6.9% (1412 W/m2 Jan. to 1321 W/m2 Jul. due to the dist. of sun. [Or 1.96 cal./min./cm2 (Langleys, Ly)/min.])
TSI, 1611-date
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/04/06/its-the-sun-stupid/#comments
ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SOLAR_IRRADIANCE/ACRIM3/ACRIM%20Composite%20TSI%20Time%20Series%20Table.pdf
ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SOLAR_IRRADIANCE/ACRIM3/ACRIM%232002GL016038%20Secular%20total%20solar%20irradiance%20trend%20during%20solar%20cycles%2021%E2%80%9323.pdf

Sciencemag.org
Solar Irradiance abstract
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5334/1963

Solar indices log( with past data available)
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/solar_indices.html

Milankovitch Cycles (Orbital/Axial cycles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol445/hyperglac/time1/milankov.htm

Dr Solanki (Solar brightness & CO2)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html

400 years of observed Sunspots
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Sunspot_Numbers.png

Sunspot Numbers. Accumulated Departure from Average
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sunspots_accumulated_departure.png

Sunspot Cycle (Wiki)
Insignificant effects: +/- 1 Watt per square meter on timescales of a few days

Sunspots
LIA, 1 per 2 years (norm = 650/year), Winter cooling 2C – 4C (NOAA)

Sunspots (1760-2006 Chart)
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/zurich.gif

TSI
ACRIM: (Hasn’t Updated since 9/07):
http://www.acrim.com/Data%20Products.htm
PMOD:
http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant
SORCE: (Updated Weekly, I Believe):
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/data/tsi_data.htm#plots

Cycle 23, lengths of recent cycles
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/solar-cycle-24-has-officially-started/#comments

Weather Station Data:

Climate Reference Network (CRN) Data here
Reference for CRN data format here

GISTEMP Interactive Station Selector here

Weather Stations (Surface)
http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1670
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-monthly/source-table1.html

Historical data archives (NCDC)
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/

Temperature Adjustments

Yilmaz et al (2008 ) Heat over grass/soil/concrete
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/atm/Vol21-2/ATM002100202.pdf

Adjustments 1900-2000:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/ushcn.html
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_pg.gif

Climate Models
http://www.itia.ntua.gr/en/docinfo/850

Adjustment graph sample
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comments

UHI Effect
LaDochy, Medina, Patzert. 2007. Recent California climate variability: spatial and temporal patterns in temperature trends. Climate Research, 33
http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/cr/v33/n2/p159-169/
Ross R. McKitrick, Patrick J. Michaels , JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH-ATMOSPHERES, DECEMBER 2007, Quantifying the influence of anthropogenic surface processes and inhomogeneities on gridded global climate data

Global Warming Mechanisms (+ Temp. w/o Greenhouse gasses):
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalWarmingUpdate/global_warming_update2.html

Other data:

Global Warming at a glance, an invaluable summary page: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html

Cryosphere today – sea ice coverage: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

CO2 Science
http://co2science.org/index.php

Western (US) Regional Climate Center
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/

USGS Real Time River flows (and historical data)
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/rt

US Snow Depths
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/

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121 Responses to Resources

  1. TitiXXXX1892 says:
  2. A. Fucaloro says:
  3. Bob Tisdale says:

    Here’s a few, (ENSO, PDO, TSI) for starters:

    ENSO
    Multivariate Enso Index (MEI) from NCDC:
    http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/table.html
    Oceanic Nino Index (ONI) from NCDC:
    http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml

    PDO
    Pacific Decadal Oscillation from JISOA (NOAA/University of Washington):
    http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

    TSI
    ACRIM: (Hasn’t Updated since 9/07):
    http://www.acrim.com/Data%20Products.htm
    PMOD:
    http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant
    SORCE: (Updated Weekly, I Believe):
    http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/data/tsi_data.htm#plots

  4. John M says:

    Anthony,

    I suspect you’re going to have your hands full with this one. Here are my contributions (hope all these links make it through).

    PDO monthly index values (back to 1900)
    http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

    Polar sea ice
    http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

    Daily Earth Temperatures from Satellites
    http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/

    Monthly ENSO index
    http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/table.html

    Current ENSO plot
    http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/

    SST anomaly map
    http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo&hot.html

    Great Lakes levels, current month
    http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_plugins/Programs/DailyWaterLevels/dialogs.cfm?units=us&months=0&displaymode=sum

    Source page for historical Great Lakes levels
    http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/greatlakes/hh/greatlakeswaterlevels/historicdata/greatlakeshydrographs/index.cfm?submit=1

  5. John M says:

    Anthony,

    Just put in a comment with 6 or 7 links in it. Didn’t even get an “awaiting moderation” message.

    I’m trying one without links to see what happens.

    REPLY: 3 or more links triggers the spam filter, but I have it recovered.

  6. John M says:

    OK, I’ll try just one link.

    PDO monthly index values (back to 1900)

    http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

  7. coyote says:

    1. Global Warming at a glance, which encompasses the links you have to the source data but I think is an invaluable summary page: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html

    2. Cryosphere today: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

    Great idea, Anthony

  8. John M says:

    Great!

    One more I missed the first time

    US Snow Depths
    http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/

    (Thanks for putting this together.)

  9. loren anderson says:

    http://www.wjr.com/Article.asp?id=458274&spid=6552
    Frank Beckmann of WJR radio has excellent links at his site

  10. Jerry says:

    Great Idea Anthony

    I have quite of few bookmarked sites but it looks like you have most of them covered. I did not see this one and I find that it is great to keep current on what is going on even without a membership the abstracts are usually enough and you can often times find the entire paper through google scholar.

    Journal of Geophysical Research
    http://www.agu.org/journals/jgr/

    Thanks
    Jerry

  11. Perry says:

    John Brignell Professor Emeritus (ESD)

    http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/jeb/cv.htm

    Author of “Global Warming as Religion and not Science”.

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm

  12. Steve Keohane says:

    Climate Science, Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group News

    http://climatesci.org/
    REPLY: got that on blog roll but thanks

  13. Joe S says:

    Seismic is not climate related, unless an event coincides with a volcanic eruption.

    Seismic Monitor: http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
    Click upper right for the larger view.
    Map is clickable for the zoomed view and data.
    ============================================
    This Satellite Imagery of Tropical Cyclones (TCWEB) page is one of my hurricane tracking tools. Lots of other info available at the site, though.
    Fleet Numerical Meterology and Oceanography Center (FNMOC)
    https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/public/
    ============================================
    Naval Research Laborotory (NRL) contains my main storm tracking tool.
    Main page: http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/
    Tropical Cyclone tracking page: http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc_home.html

  14. thomas says:

    i would suggest

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/23668657@N07/

    which shows that global warming is not global

    and when there is warming it is mostly in polar latitudes in the winter: no change in polar summers

    difficult to reconcile with the opposite trend in artic sea ice: about the same ice in the winter, but less ice in the summer

    Nasa says its just the sea currents

    so c02 is not a factor

  15. John A says:

    Solar Science blog by me: http://solarscience.auditblogs.com

  16. CoRev says:

    Anthony, if you would like some help maintaining this I don’t mind volunteering. I know how much time it can take.

    CoRev

    REPLY: Yeah I might take you up on that

  17. CoRev says:

    Anthony, my email address is on the left upper side of my web page. Or you know of the other place you can get it. Email and we can share phone # or just msgs.

    I just got several AU links
    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/
    http://www.amos.org.au/
    http://www.climatescience.org.nz/

    CoRev, editor
    http://globalwarmingclearinghouse.blogspot.com

  18. CoRev says:

    Anthony, did I respond to your answer? I wonder if I may have hit the wrong key.

    REPLY: I’m don’t know. Didn’t see anything

  19. Alex Llewelyn says:

    Is there any paleoclimatic data available?

  20. morris108 says:

    I would like to see a link (or content) to extreme weather conditions, they are happening just about daily.
    There are sites that show only one event per day, but not all:

    http://www.repsolypf.com/SA/Ventajas/ElTiempo/curiosidades.aspx?ididioma=2&op=15&idzona=10
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/extreme_weather.shtml

    Also I cannot find a link to your web site to show the current weather picture of today. Only a link to a specific day. Cause I would like to make a link on my blog to your picture of the day, whatever day it is.

  21. Pamela Gray says:

    This is the GOES sat page. Very cool maps of daily data. Has everything, including ozone maps.

    http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/rt/

  22. Pamela Gray says:

    Cool graphs re: sunspot number, flux, etc

    http://www.dxlc.com/solar/history/

  23. Pamela Gray says:

    Are there any internet available data sets (updated) re: cosmic ray measures? The only ones I have found you have to send for.

    Is ionization data available?

  24. 2relight says:

    Hi,

    I recently found the site wxmaps.org, and found it very interesting for looking at current global weather conditions, and short term projections. It seems to have disappeared. Any one know what happened? Any comparable sites out there?

  25. Arthur says:

    Anthony, I’m afraid I’m not being helpful with a resource here, just want some help to find one. My wife gave me a simple wireless weather station for Father’s Day and the temperature/humidity sensor is to be mounted in a “dry and shady” location. Other than indoors, I don’t have any location that meets this requirement that wouldn’t also be subject to secondary radiation heating (my stalls are, unfortunately, south facing under a metal roof.

    Where can I get a shelter that I could put out in my shadeless yard and mount the wind and rain gages to and still get accurate temperature readings? I’d rather buy than build but with a good set of plans I could probably make it myself (shudder). No one seems to be selling Stevenson Screens, anymore. Any help is deeply appreciated.

    REPLY: Stevenson Screens are expensive, about $600+ building one might be cheaper. Note that you can build a reasonably effective one out of premade slatted shutters painted white witha roof and floor.

  26. Arthur says:

    Hmmm…$600 to shelter a $100 weather system? I guess after I activate Chinese language support for the Hong Kong office in the morning, I’ll be heading to Home Depot for shutters and 1×2′s. Oh well, it’ll look nice in the fence corner by the well. Thanks, I’ll put some pictures on one my websites when it’s done.

  27. In case you have not seen this. It might a great resource to add to your website.
    http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=881376822&channel=301783405

  28. Tom Miller says:

    I really like this website because it tells the truth in a way that the average person can understand. If possible, could you include a section on global warming theories and models that have been disproven? Call it ” RIP GWT.” Also, a section on climate predictions that have shown to be false such as the one in which Al Gore said in 1989 that ” the earth’s temp would go up 5 degrees in our life time”. That was almost 20 years ago and I wouldn’t rely the main stream media to remind about how many of these predictions have been completely wrong.

  29. Steve says:

    Thought you might be interested in this…

    How does the Farmers Almanac predict weather?

    We derive out weather forecasts from a secret formula that was devised by the founder of this Almanac, Robert B. Thomas, in 1792. Thomas believed that weather on Earth was influenced by sunspots, which are magnetic storms on the surface of the Sun.

    Over the years, we have refined and enhanced that formula with state-of-the-art technology and modern scientific calculations. We employ three scientific disciplines to make our long-range predictions: solar science, the study of sunspots and other solar activity; climatology, the study of prevailing weather patterns; and meteorology, the study of the atmosphere. We predict weather trends and events by comparing solar patterns and historical weather conditions with current solar activity.

  30. leebert says:

    Soot, aerosols & Dirty Snow:

    http://www.scientificblogging.com/bog/258

    (my blog)

  31. 2relight says:

    wxmaps.org is back online, helpful resource.

  32. George W says:

    Consider adding the Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center
    at Oak Ridge National Laboratory: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/

    Check here for convenient numerical data:
    http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html
    “Global, Regional, and National Fossil Fuel CO2 Emissions”.

    There is a lot more there. I was only looking for the info at the second link.

  33. Patrick M says:

    Current and historical loops of geostationary satellite and AVHRR & MODIS imagery at various scales from regional to global in a variety of spectral combinations, as well as a range of derived products. Hourly temperature/humidity profiles from RUC. Predictions of satellite locations.
    http://www-angler.larc.nasa.gov/satimage/products.html

  34. Bjorn says:

    Anthony, thank you for your site.

    I found the following site:
    http://www.climate4you.com/
    with lots of info about climatic issues.

  35. where is my local official weather station? My zip is 48188, in Michigan. I would like to see it. If you have a photo, I can go with that.

  36. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Hi Anthony!

    Thank you for your site – im a solid user :-)
    I have today analysed cryosphere pictures of the north pole. I looked at a comparison of 29/6 2007 vs 29/6 2008.

    I printed the pictures, glued milimeter paper on it. Had light through and thus measured the ice extends. Result: 29/6 the ice extend is 17,75 % bigger than last year, which is approx 1,3 mio sq km. Im not sure if this amount is represented in official sources.

    You normaly hear that the ice will melt faster because the 1-year ice is thinner.

    But you dont hear:
    The 1 year ice this year is slightly thicker than normal (10-20 cm)
    The 1 year ice albedao is less than 30% whereas multiyear ice has albedo > 60%
    In the period when the was no ice cover after sep 2007, the oceans where not isolated, and thuh got colder.
    We will not expect to see much effect of the vulnerable 1 year ice right away. Why? because at this time the ice melt always happends to the 1 year ice. we have not reached the area with thinner ice than normal, yet.
    If we do not reach this area, the extra meltings might not be that influented by 1 year ice at all.
    The AMO has been peeking in the years after year 2000. (just like it did in the 1940´ies. This means, that the atlantic ocean pushes at lot of heat towards north these last years.
    Even though this is the case, we globaly has en ice extend anomaly at zero. This could tell that we have a cold period.

    One more thing, Anthony.
    If you have the time (!!??) please take a look at Mörner history about IPCC falsifying sea level data. It look quit trustworthy what he says ?
    And the worst is: If Möner is dead wrong, and IPCC has nothing to hide, why havent they come forward and shown to the world the origin of their 2,3 mm sea rise?

    You recently showed fine graphs of falling water content in the atmosphere. It seemed that the CO2 has NOT managed to make H2O contribute to positive feedbacks. This realy ruins their theory. So is Methane what should give positive feedbacks? Nope, Methane levels are totaly flat.

    another thing:
    Greenhouse gasses, the concept, as you know comes from the fact that the earth is 33K warmer than some expected.
    But. Imagine a planet with an atmosphere of O2, N2, H2, argon, helium etc. That is no greenhouse gasses. There we would see no temperature difference as we move up in the atmosphere? Not likely. alle planets show approximately the same temperature trend as a function of pressure and distance to the sun.

    I write a lot on the debat http://WWW.KLIMADEBAT.DK but it is in danish. We had for example a debate where i showed the Becks data are much more reliable than some says. For instance realclimate gives an example showing the different contents of CO2 in the middle of paris 2008 to prove Beck wrong.
    I showed that measurements in higher concentration just happened to be taken far from cities where as the lower results comes from near Hamburg, Wien, Copenhagen and London… so there goes their city argument.

    Greetings, and thanks again for your site. Super.

    K.R. Frank Lansner

    REPLY: Thanks Frank for the kind words and info, you’ve given me an idea. – Anthony

  37. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Hi Anthony!

    here
    http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/opdaterede-sol-is-hav-temp-grafer-osv–d12-e424-s20.php#post_6388
    I show that NSDIC and Cryosphere seems not to show how much larger the iceextend is 29/6 2008 than 29/6 2007.
    Satellit photos show 17,75 % more ice, or 1,3 mio kvm2
    NSDIC graph shows 4,1%, or 0,4 mio kvm2
    Cryospheres graph shows 3%, or 0,2 mio kvm2

    Photos where obained from cryosphere compare-function. I printed the photos, glues mm-paper on. Used light from below and counted the area of 29/6 both years.
    What is the reason that these 2 pro IPCC sources only tell os a fraction of the real difference between 2007 and 2008?

    REPLY: Hello Frank, I’m looking into this. Thank you for the note and links.

  38. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Thanks for the attention, here is link to NSIDC presentation of iceextend:
    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

    Note also that around mid June, it claims that there where no difference between 2007 and 2008. But using cryosphere comparing of icecap, it seems there is.

  39. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Anthony, I understand you have MANY thing to do. If you can tell me that my approach looking directly at the satellite pictures from cryosphere is correct, i can do a long series of the measurements and give to you. But the procedure is time consuming (Print, glue, draw, count) for each point of such a graph, so i´d rather do it if you say it makes sence. That is if you can confirm that there should be a connection between the extend seen on these pictures and the extend shown on IPCC/NSIDC/Cryophere graphs.

    You let me know and i will produce this graph.

    K.R. Frank

  40. Wayne Oliver says:

    (copy to junkscience.com)

    I live in Japan.
    The Japanese are generally brainwashed (through government and the education system) to believe global warming is man-made.
    I see it every day in the schools where I teach English. I am chagrined to read papers containing the phrase, “because of the global warming . . .” when I know the student writer has no idea how junky the science is behind the concept.

    Tonight was the last straw: my girlfriend told me to turn up the thermostat on the AC because it was “better for the environment.”
    When I asked her how it would be better, she parroted CO2-emission-reduction nonsense.
    I could not get her off of it. She has no training in science, and (because she is Japanese) she has no training in independent thought.
    I really bothers her that I “don’t care” about the environment.
    She thinks people who don’t care about the environment only think of themselves.

    Where can go to get her some rational, not-technical information IN JAPANESE that a least will get her thinking about the hoax that is “man-made global warming?”

    I am increasingly alarmed at the world-wide panicked rush to accept Kyoto and all its derivatives (I am ESPECIALLY alarmed over the derivatives!).
    But in Japan, it is worse: the name on the protocol attaches an intense national pride to it that stops any sort of criticism from even being floated.

    Anyone with a lick of training in science understands the silliness of the idea that humans can have any significant effect on the overall atmosphere.
    Anyone with a lick of training in science understands the temperature of the earth is directly tied to the proximity and activity of the sun–all of which fluctuate over time.
    Yet there are MANY people with more than a lick of scientific training in the U.S. (and the world, for that matter).
    So how could this idiocy even have gotten a foothold?

    Help me!!!!

    Wayne Oliver
    An English teacher (with more than a lick of training in science)
    in Japan

  41. Anthony. How can I send you a Word file, or a picture to show you one local weather station here in Montreal.

    I have no idea on which network it is located, but it is another one of those “How not to measure temperature”…

    You can mail me at integrator@JeanFrancoisAvon.com

    Cheers!

    JFA in Montreal

  42. Mike Bryant says:

    Hey Wayne, Here is an interesting book you might show your girlfriend. It is in Japanese. Sorry I don’t know the Japanese title.

    Japanese IPCC scientists says global warming “worst scientific scandal”
    June 18th, 2008, 6:20 am · posted by Mark Landsbaum

    The global warming “consensus” not only never existed, what there was of it continues to shrink.

    The mythical global warming ‘consensus’ continues to crumble as a top UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Turns on the IPCC and calls warming fears the “Worst scientific scandal in the history.”

    Dr. Kiminori Itoh, award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist specializing in optical waveguide spectroscopy at the University of Tokyo, has a new book Lies and Traps in the Global Warming Affairs.

    He writes of “inaccurate temperature measurements,” including chapters that call man-made global warming fears “the worst scientific scandal in the history.”

  43. Tom says:

    info. on fuel prices…
    http://www.eia.doe.gov

  44. Mike Bryant says:

    Anthony, the Arctic sea-ice monitor by AMSR-E has arctic sea ice at over 9 million km2, cryosphere today appears to be about 7.5….

  45. Mike Bryant says:

    maybe only 7…

  46. Mike Bryant says:

    Wondering why NASA doesn’t do Monthly Sea Level Average? Or do they?

  47. Yul Shaffer says:

    Anthony,

    I just posted this on http://www.solarcycle24.com

    “I’m going to throw out something a little far-fetched here… I was looking at the AMSU track:

    http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+001

    …and got to pondering that funny dip in several months’ temperature track. This year, you see it in very early June as it changes over from May, early May, less early April…

    So, I started a celestial program that I’ve got called “Celestia” that you can download free from here:

    http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

    …in order to check the position of the moon during these periods. For many of the dips that I checked, the moon is between the sun and the earth, usually near the downslope. Now, that might be a coincidence and it might not, don’t know. Anybody ever heard such conjecture before? Can you ask Roy Spencer or John Christy about that?

    Regards,

    Yul Shaffer

  48. Jim Dukarm says:

    “More Americans are likely to suffer from kidney stones in the coming years as a result of global warming, according to researchers at the University of Texas.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080714210823.ys7a8mb8&show_article=1

    Enjoy! And drink plenty of iced tea!

    ../jjd

  49. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Hi Anthony

    I have looked into the issue i spoked about ealier. See
    http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/isudtyndingen-af-polarisen-her-i-2008–d13-e337-s40.php#post_6719

    Especially, check my graph over iceextend on 15´ july´s 1979-2008. We appear to be only 0,3 mio kvm2 under average for 1979-2008 for arctic ice extend.

    K.R. Frank Lansner

  50. Frank/ Denmark says:

    UPDATE: Ive just checked the ice-anomaly for the arctic on CRYOSPHERE, it says 1,2 mio kvm2 and not the 0,3 mio kvm2 i find, see the link above.

    If there where 1,2 mio kvm2 more ice now we would have ROCORD ICE right now in the arctic! The 1,2 mio kvm2 definetely seems very wrong, – just Being Frank… ;)

    K.R. Frank

  51. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Correction: I now use Greenlands size (2,15 mio kvm2 to estimate ice extend) and i now get present anomaly to be – 0,45 mio kvm2, and not 1,2 mio kvm2.
    In addition the difference between NSIDC and raw photos now reaches 1 mio kvm2. The article i linked to has been updated.
    K.R. Frank

  52. Keith Wooster says:

    Anthony:

    Take a peek at the CDIAC site referenced by George W on 11 June above. The six-year Free Air Carbon Dioxide Enrichment experiment at Duke University shows positive forest growth and resistance results when enriched to nearly double current atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

    I saw one site where the blogger referenced the site without reading the results as negative evidence continuing to damn all “climate change skeptics.”

    http://public.ornl.gov/face/results.shtml

    Keith

  53. Frank/ Denmark says:

    Hi anthony – I found out al little more:
    http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/is-kurver-d12-e580.php#post_6824

    K.r. Frank

  54. Anne Cox says:

    Hi Brian

    Ecoanne, TheEnergyLadyUK here.
    I was just bought to your fantastic site by Google Alerts. Please , please will you link to me and accept my link if you will. I’ve tried to keep my blog easily understood by most people but I would love to have a REAL Science input. Also please let me know if you set up RSS. I’m about to try.

    Best Regards from Sunny Yorkshire, UK whwer my solar panel is bringing down water at 65 degrees Celsius!

    Anne Cox

  55. Dan McCune says:

    Do you have an opinion about http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info and some of the other “skeptical” sites and blogs (ie. theglobalwarmingheretic.wordpress.com/,
    co2sceptics.com/? ,et al)? Do they merit a place on this list or is this list reserved for “pure science” sources.

    GWS.info has linked an interesting article at http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_seven_graphs_to_end_the_warming_hype/ you may want to consider publishing. Have tou heard of Andrew Bolt and is he creditable?

    Also, Anthony why aren’t you listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming Aren’t you a “real scientist”? I certainly think so but don’t know if this is the kind of recognition you deserve.

    Love your site and keep up the great work.

  56. Ric Werme says:

    How about a new section called “Getting Started”?

    I suspect that a lot of the new readers here, and a lot of the future new readers, are finding their way because the global warming mantra and increasing stridency aren’t matching their own observations.

    At the same time, some of the discussion is getting increasingly detailed and is looking at individual trees and not the forest. I wrote my page http://wermenh.com/climate/science.html as an introduction to the science. Recently I heard from the author of http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/TransPlanet/Curious.htm which fits the same niche. While it is lighter on the science, it covers more than my top two subjects. It also traces the author’s journey from being an environmentalist concerned about global warming to being an environmentalist who understands just how wrong Gore and his movie are.

    The two pages complement each other very well and I recommend both of them to anyone new to the debate.

  57. fred houpt says:

    Just sat and watched “The Global Warming Swindle” off the net. Here is the link:

    http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/blancostemrecht/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle_Documentary_Film.aspx

    My perspective was that of someone who was already deeply skeptical of the hysteria around climate change. This documentary was incredibly well produced, although of course it had almost no alternative mainstream global warming perspective. Nonetheless I was very impressed and learned much new information.

    I live in Toronto, Ontario. Anecdotally, I can tell you that the winter was marked by record snow fall in Southern Ontario, the spring was very wet and the summer has set several records for rainfall in the same area. It has been a summer to date without a single scorching heat wave, which we usually brace ourselves for. The evenings now are getting almost cold with recent night temps around 12C, far below what we are used to.

    Although I can’t find it now Environment Canada’s web site had a report by a climatologist that offered that….Ontario was so rainy this spring/summer because of a blocking effect on either side of Ontario that kept unstable air masses over the province for many months, causing so much rain to fall. Usually we also suffer from the normal dismal updraft of Ohio and New York State air masses which drag up hot moist and terribly polluted souther air which often settles in over the area, giving us in some summers almost unbreathable air.

    In any case, I love your web site and read it almost every day. Keep watching for sunspots…..as we might be tilting into a new mini cold period….

  58. fred houpt says:

    please print my comments.

  59. P.Edward Murray says:

    Hi,

    Just found your site and you might be interested in this:

    This is the August edition of A.L.P.O.’s monthly “The Lunar Observer”

    Scroll down to “The Lighter Side of The Moon” and read all about

    “The Basketball Player on The Moon”

    http://www.zone-vx.com/tlo.pdf

    My discovery has been verified by Steve Nathan Co-Chair of The Astronomical
    League’s Lunar Club, Dr. Charles Wood of Sky & Telescope and Bill
    Dembowski, Coordinator of Lunar Topographical Studies (A.L.P.O.) The
    Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers.

    My Basketball Player, Volleyball Player, Soccer Player or Juggler can be
    seen a few days before full moon and after. Oceanus Procellarum makes his back with Mare Cognitum
    his right shoulder and Mare Nubium his right elbow ( his arm is crooked just as if he is reaching
    for the ball) continuing into Sinus Aestuum and Sinus Medii his right hand. His left shoulder and arm
    begin at Sinus Roris (his left arm is curved reaching for the ball) and continues through Mare Frigoris
    ending as his left hand around the crater Aristotle. Mare Imbrium makes his head with his left ear as Sinus
    Iridum. The Basketball is Mare Serenitatis.

    If you choose to see him as a juggler of course Mare Serenitatus is a large
    ball with Mare Tranquilitatus,Mare Nectaris, and Mare Crisium being smaller balls. As I said before, he
    could additionally be aVolleyball or Soccer Player.

    I’d like to include a photo but can’t seem to do it here.

    If you would like to e-mail me at ed1ward2@verizon.net I can forward it to you.

    Thanks for your time…it’s a great site!

    Cordially,

    P. Edward Murray
    Past President
    Bucks-Mont. Astronomical Assoc., Inc.

  60. geoff sharp says:

    this site is a simply amazing resource….maybe they can become the standard instead of the IPCC

    http://biocab.org/

    and this graph in particular showing co2 and temps back 560 million years

    http://biocab.org/Carbon_Dioxide_Geological_Timescale.html

  61. Dr. Francis T. Manns says:

    Have a look at http://www.friendsofsciece.org and provide a link. Consider contributing. Big oil does not.

  62. Jim Hebbard says:

    I note your useful Hurricane emphasis on your first page. Mike at snownationals.com has a page http://www.spaghettimodels.com/ that is truely fantastic.

    I even explained to my church how to select and delate the date portion of the NHC probability envelopes to get back to their discussion page. (Mike will probably add that soon, anyway.)

    Regards,=>Jim<=

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  64. Rita says:

    Anthony, I just found your site and am delighted with it, though I don’t understand alot of the info. Thank you for it! I really would like to see the historical correlations. including the present, between the 3 things in the Milankovitch theory, the cycle of sunspot activity, the location of the earth’s plates,and the average global temperature for the past several million years with breakdowns into thousands and hundreds of years. Sorta like a visual chart presenting the geological eons and ages and what life was present and where the continents were. Can anyone get me that kind of info? It just seems to me that there is far far too much different kinds of information that needs to be examined and considered before coming to to the hysterical conclusions that the GW folks have arrived at.
    I do have an enormous amount of house plants using up alot CO2 that my husband, our cats and I breath out in our home on a daily basis—think I could get paid for carbon credits???
    Also I think its quite interesting that nearly all the folks who send responses to you are male. Interesting observation, huh? Thanks for your site and I truly hope someone can give me the info I’d like to have on the historical correlations.

    REPLY: Thanks for the kind words, but my plate is quite full with other research at the moment. Perhaps one of our readers can help you find those things. – Anthony

  65. I would just like to thank you for your tireless effort in bringing up issues with the AGW. I have been in the ‘weather’ service myself for many years and years ago, just didn’t buy into this issue. Now after years of reading all I can about it, I am truly frustrated at Media, Politicians and extremists “eco” greens who simply state whatever, and its believed at its word.

    Great website and I hit it everyday at lunch time here at work and from home.

    lance

  66. dzach says:

    You might be interested in the paper Climate change as a scapegoat in water science, technology and management here.

  67. jerry bono says:

    Anthony this is an interesting article

    Less Ice In Arctic Ocean 6000-7000 Years Ago (from Science Daily via the NGU)
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081020095850.htm

    Unfortunately the co-author, Astrid, can’t help with the following disclaimer.

    “Changes that took place 6000-7000 years ago were controlled by other climatic forces than those which seem to dominate today,” Astrid Lyså believes.

    Perhaps she is afraid of offending the warmists. I don’t blame her. We’ve all seen how they operate.

  68. Int. J. Climatol. doi:10.1002/joc.1756 (2008)

    “Santer and colleagues were able to reconcile temperature trends in the models with observations by using more appropriate statistical tests, new satellite and weather-balloon data that show greater warming of the tropical lower atmosphere, and improved satellite and buoy data that yielded slightly lower estimates of surface warming.”

    The quote is from Nature/Climate. I would like to see a well-informed critical analysis.

    Has this research article been discussed by WattsUp contributors?

  69. John M says:

    In a recent thread on the main web site, Bill Innis did a great job of adjusting temperature data for Enso and AMO. Within that thread, there are a number of good links to SST data.

    In particular, the following site has both raw and detrended AMO data (as the site says, it “is basically an index of the N Atlantic temperatures.”

    http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/Timeseries/AMO/

    A word of caution, at first glance, it’s not clear which is which and there are also smooth and unsmoothed versions of the detrended data.
    The link to the raw data is near the bottom of the noaa page.

  70. John M says:

    Dang!

    Make that Bill Illis…

  71. Rik Gheysens says:

    Hi,
    When I compared the global temperature anomaly numbers of RSS with the data of GISS, I wondered if such a huge discrepancy between the two series of data can be justified. The GISS and the RSS data for the years 1998 to 2007 I have found, are respectively 0.57, 0.33, 0.33, 0.48, 0.56, 0.55, 0.49, 0.62, 0.54, 0.57 and 0.5767, 0.087, 0.0768, 0.238, 0.354, 0.353, 0.253, 0.373, 0.285, 0.301.
    In 1998, the difference between the two values cannot be calculated given the rounding off of the GISS data. In 2007 however, the difference amounts to 0.269 degrees C. Is there a reasonable explanation for this growing gap?
    As far as I know, the RSS-satellites cover the area between 82.5 N and 70.0S. I suppose that the method of data recording by the satellites has remained essentially unchanged since 1998. We have no reason to doubt the validity of the satellite records. They were exact in 1998 and are still exact in 2007. Why then is there a discrepancy between the RSS and GISS data? The answer to this question has probably to be found in the regions not covered by the satellites. Or the Arctic has warmed up significantly since 1998, or the Antarctic region has heated up, or both regions.
    When I looked up an explanation for this difference in the website of GISS (2007), I read “The map reveals that the greatest warming has been in the Arctic and neighboring high latitude regions. Polar amplification is an expected characteristic of global warming, as the loss of ice and snow engenders a positive feedback via increased absorption of sunlight.”
    Let us scrutinize the first possibility. One can calculate how much the Arctic, above 82.5N, has to warm up, to produce the result of 0.269°C globally. The result of the calculation is that the temperature in this small arctic region not covered by satellites, has to climb to 59°C!!! So, this cannot be a good explanation.
    Perhaps the Antarctic has also warmed, even if it is not noticed in the 2007 temperature summation of GISS. What would be the effect globally? We then see that a warming up in this both areas is needed of 7.4°C. As far as I know, this is not consistent with the facts.
    Then, why this difference? Has GISS given too much importance to the Arctic? Who knows? The answer is of great interest given the primordial role of GISS in the IPCC-reports.
    I know that the IPCC-report of 2007 gives a best estimate for globally average surface air warming of 1.8 to 2.8°C for the four most favorable emission scenarios at the end of the 21st century. Is it a mere coincidence that both warming trends are of the same size?
    Can you give an answer to this question?
    Thanks for your time. Since I found your site, I hit it every day.
    P.S.: I have made a small GIF-file with the graph of the GISS and RSS data. How can I post it?
    Cordially,
    Rik Gheysens

    REPLY: upload it to flickr or some other photo sharing service, and then simply put the URL in a comment and it will auto-link it – Anthony

  72. Rik Gheysens says:

    Hi,

    This is the URL of my photo.
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/3105823492_3807965846_o.gif

    Thanks,
    Rik Gheysens

  73. Paulo H says:

    Dear Anthony,

    I’d like to know if there is publicly available data on daily albedo over several years. I couldn’t find it and the data from the project earthshine is sketchy at the very least. Averaged albedo won’t do, as I explain below.

    I understand overall earth’s albedo (above clouds, not surface albedo) is not measured on a daily basis and this leaves an enormous room for errors in any climate model since the forcings related to albedo variations can easily amount to tens of watts per sq meter.

    I’d also like to suggest a possible mechanism for explaining climate change, akin to Minkowsky’s explanation. Since earth’s orbit is not circular, in the southern hemisphere’s summer the earth is closer to the sun, with a total irradiation 90W/m2 stronger than when it’s summer in the northern hemisphere. If a weather pattern causes small cyclical albedo variations due to cloud patterns or surface ice variations with a periodicity close to one year, the change in overall absorbed energy due to earths eccentricity could generate forcings far more powerful than the 1.5W/m2 claimed by the IPCC to be the anthropogenic component.

    In order to check this hypothesis daily albedo measurements are needed. Have you ever seen any article following those lines?

    Thanks for the excellent blog!

  74. Love the Site, I hope you don’t mine my linking to your site. I own inconvenienttruth.us, (AlGore claims i am a Big Oil Plant, i wish), and your site would be a great addition to my links.

  75. Tom Bakewell says:

    Off the subject, but maybe worth a posting:

    Inventor’s ‘refrigeration system’ for planet shows promise, but scientists are skeptical
    December 19th, 2008 By Greg Gordon in Space & Earth science / Earth Sciences
    Ron Ace says that his breakthrough moments have come at unexpected times – while he lay in bed, eased his aging Cadillac across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge or steered a tractor around his rustic, five-acre property.

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    In the seclusion of his Maryland home, Ace has spent three years glued to the Internet, studying the Earth’s climate cycles and careening from one epiphany to another – a 69-year-old loner with the moxie to try to solve one of the greatest threats to mankind.

    Now, backed by a computer model, the little-known inventor is making public a U.S. patent petition for what he calls the most “practical, nontoxic, affordable, rapidly achievable” and beneficial way to curb global warming and a resulting catastrophic ocean rise.

    Spray gigatons of seawater into the air, mainly in the Northern Hemisphere, and let Mother Nature do the rest, he says.

    The evaporating water, Ace said, would cool the Earth in multiple ways: First, the sprayed droplets would transform to water vapor, a change that absorbs thermal energy near ground level; then the rising vapor would condense into sunlight-reflecting clouds and cooling rain, releasing much of the stored energy into space in the form of infrared radiation.

    McClatchy Newspapers has followed Ace’s work for three years and obtained a copy of his 2007 patent petition for what he calls “a colossal refrigeration system with a 100,000-fold performance multiplier.”

    “The Earth has a giant air-conditioning problem,” he said. “I’m proposing to put a thermostat on the planet.”

    Although it might sound preposterous, a computer model run by an internationally known global warming scientist suggests that Ace’s giant humidifier might just work.

    Kenneth Caldeira, a climate scientist at the Carnegie Institution’s Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University, roughly simulated Ace’s idea in recent months on a model that’s used extensively by top scientists to study global warming.

    The simulated evaporation of about one-half inch of additional water everywhere in the world produced immediate planetary cooling effects that were projected to reach nearly 1 degree Fahrenheit within 20 or 30 years, Caldeira said.

    “In the computer simulation, evaporating water was almost as effective as directly transferring … energy to space, which was surprising to me,” he said.

    Ace said that the cooling effect would be several times greater if the model were refined to spray the same amount of seawater at strategic locations.

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    He proposes to install 1,000 or more devices that spray water 20 to 200 feet into the air, depending on conditions, from barren stretches of the West African coast, bluffs on deserted Atlantic Ocean isles, deserts adjoining the African, South American and Mediterranean coasts and other arid or windy sites. To maximize cloud formation, he’d avoid the already humid tropics, where most water vapor quickly turns to rain.

    “It does seem like evaporating water outside the tropics would be more effective,” Caldeira said.

    The spraying would be targeted mainly at higher, northern latitudes, where Ace thinks that air currents known as Ferrel Cells could deliver heavy snow to the Arctic, offsetting the melting of the polar icecap.

    It stretches the imagination – and perhaps credulity – to suggest that a solitary inventor with no government support could solve global warming, especially a man who never earned a degree despite studying physics for much of a decade at the University of Maryland.

    Several scientists who reviewed Ace’s patent petition for McClatchy reacted with caution to outright derision over its possibilities, but some softened their views upon learning of the computer model.

    Ace’s invention rests on some unconventional theories.

    He contends that the planet is 5 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit too hot to stop the meltdown from the last ice age 20,000 years ago, not a couple of degrees too warm, as government scientists say. He proposes to lower the temperature by 3.5 degrees to 4 degrees, leaving a cushion to avoid tipping toward another ice age and always retaining the option of turning the sprayers down or off, if needed.

    He suspects that deforestation is a major cause of global warming, not just because trees absorb carbon dioxide, but also because a large-leaf tree can wick up and evaporate hundreds of gallons of water in a single day. Ace said that the absence of tens of billions of trees, destroyed by southward-creeping glaciers thousands of years ago and again by man’s recent timber cutting, has left the planet “slightly dehumidified,” reducing cloud cover.

    Ace points to recent research that found snow cover is shrinking even at below-freezing altitudes on Africa’s Mount Kilimanjaro and other mountaintops, a change that’s attributed to declining snowfall.

    It would be relatively easy to design spraying equipment to carry out his plan to fill that water vapor deficit, but it would take a major international effort to install 1,000 large spraying devices, or thousands of smaller ones. If fully deployed, the 15,800 cubic meters of sprayed water per second would be equivalent to the flow at the mouth of the Mississippi River and would require enough energy to power a medium-sized city.

    However, spraying only a portion of that amount for a decade would be enough to cool the equivalent of current man-made global warming, estimated to range up to 0.76 degrees Fahrenheit, Ace said. Such cooling, he said, could buy mankind decades of time for more research and precision.

    Depending on its scale, the water evaporation scheme would cost anywhere from hundreds of millions of dollars to billions of dollars a year, but Ace said it still would have “a net positive financial effect.” It would prevent global warming-related damage, he said, and the extra rainfall would provide the cheapest way to transport water to drought-stricken regions, counteract desert expansions, increase natural irrigation for crops and boost the output of hydroelectric power plants.

    Added rainfall also would reduce atmospheric greenhouse gas levels, because cold raindrops carry more carbon dioxide back to the oceans than is released when water evaporates, he said.

    Caldeira’s computer results could surprise many scientists because water vapor is a greenhouse gas widely recognized to be more powerful than carbon dioxide. The simulation suggests, however, that water vapor’s cooling effects overwhelm its heat-trapping properties.

    Ace has his doubters, partly because he took the patent route rather than submitting his idea for scientific peer review. A patent certifies that an invention is unique, not that it would work.

    Douglas Davis, an atmospheric chemist at Georgia Tech University who’s known Ace for years, lauded some of his inventions but called his global cooling idea “big-time speculation” because so little is known about the behavior of water in the atmosphere.

    “In the case of the computer models that are used for global warming, I know that the hydrological cycle is a critical component of those models, and the hydrological cycle is not well understood,” Davis said, stressing that he’s not a climate expert.

    David Travis, a University of Wisconsin-Whitewater professor who’s studied clouds extensively, praised Ace’s innovation, but said he’s “generally opposed to geo-engineering” solutions and can’t imagine evaporating water on a large enough scale to have a near-term effect.

    Caldeira, who plans to submit his computer findings in the spring for peer-reviewed publication, is among scientists so concerned about sluggish progress in curbing greenhouse gases that they met last year to consider geo-engineering options.

    “Ideas such as Ron Ace’s should be carefully and impartially evaluated,” Caldeira told McClatchy. “Every brilliant innovation in the history of technology looked a little bit loony when first proposed.”

    Ace’s invention looks less loony when compared to some others. NASA scientists conceived the multitrillion-dollar idea of orbiting megaton mirrors in space to deflect sunlight. Other scientists have proposed reflecting solar energy by placing mirrors on thousands of high-altitude balloons, by foaming the oceans’ surfaces or by filling the upper atmosphere with tiny sulfates or inert particles, or by adding water droplets to low-level ocean clouds from 1,500 unmanned boats.

    Ace said he thinks that mankind is “headed straight for a disaster.”

    By focusing solely on solutions that deal with carbon in the atmosphere, Ace thinks that mankind won’t prevent a “big glacier melt” that could lift ocean levels 20 feet and wipe out the world’s seaports.

    One thing is certain: Ace is dead serious. He’s tenaciously compiled more than a thousand pages of research, sometimes during all-night binges despite a fight with cancer. He said he’s invested large sums in patenting his global-warming inventions.

    Ace said he’s created more than 700 inventions, starting with a gravity-measuring machine he built in seventh grade to record passes of the sun and moon on cloudy days. He’s won nearly 70 U.S. and foreign patents, but said he’s lacked the time and money to submit petitions for all but about two dozen of his inventions. None has led to big commercial success.

    Ace said that his unusual blend of expertise in physics, optics and heat transfer has helped him understand the role of light-scattering clouds and water’s influence on climate.

    Maintaining a hermitlike existence during the past three years, he’s churned out more than half a dozen inventions that could help curb global warming, including several that he said would cut energy use.

    He often speaks in professorial tones, but can quickly morph into a cynic or a feisty debater over the laws of physics, always mindful of the role of “the big heater” – the sun.

    Ace said that he gradually steeped himself in the science of global warming because of “curiosity, nothing more.”

    “I never saw myself making a dime on it,” said Ace, who said he’d donate his patent to the U.S. government if he gets one. “It’s mostly that the data seemed to be incorrect, and I wanted to know what is right.”

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    ON THE WEB

    The Carnegie Institution’s Department of Global Ecology: http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/CIWDGE.HTML

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    © 2008, McClatchy-Tribune Information Services.
    Visit the McClatchy Washington Bureau on the World Wide Web at http://www.mcclatchydc.com

  76. Paul S says:

    Hi Anthony,

    I’ve been following the discussion on the weakening of the Ap index after September 2005 with some interest. I managed to find a consistent Ap data series that went all the way back to 1994 so it covers the last solar minimum. While it seems to reveal that Leif is on to something that the Sep 2005 date is just related to the end of one particular magnetic storm, it also reveals that you are on to something. This solar minimum is much deeper and darker than the last one. If you’re interested in seeing the actual graph, please contact me at the e-mail I entered.

    Thanks for the great thought-provoking content,
    Paul

  77. Ric Werme says:

    Notes on WordPress tags:

    See the “You can use these tags” line in the “Leave a comment” area? They’re a subset of the HTML language that provide formatting directions on web pages. If you type Ctrl/U on most browsers they’ll display the raw HTML for the page you’re reading.

    Important ones include:
    <i>The i tag italicizes text</i>
    <b>The b tag bolds text</b>
    <em>The em tag (emphasize) also italicizes.</em>
    <strike>This is what strike does.</strike>

    I use <blockquote> frequently. Don’t forget to end with
    </blockquote>

    If you want to use a “less than sign”, use “&lt;”.
    If you want to use an ampersand, use “&”.
    Multiple spaces are compressed into a single space, but “&nbsp” will create a space that also disallows wordwrapping.

    <code> is a marginally broken thing that lets you use
    a monospace font so things line up. Unfortunately, it still
    collapses multiple spaces into one, so you should replace at
    least every other space with &nbsp;

    In fact, you should replace all spaces with &nbsp; or else your nice
    table may get word wrapped on you, like the above paragraph.
    The&nbsp;result&nbsp;is&nbsp;hard&nbsp;to&nbsp;read.

    Less useful tags, included largely to document them so you don’t have to try them:

    I don’t know what
    <del datetime=”2008-12-31 23:59:59″> does. Hmm, looks like <strike> and ignores the datetime argument.

    I’ve never used <cite>, it might be nothing more than italics.

    or <blockquote cite=”foo”> which seems to ignore the cite argument.

    or <q cite=”foo”> which also seems to ignore cite. The “q”
    might stand for quote, it seems to put stuff in quotes.

    I wonder what <abbr title=”foo”> does.

    WordPress’s formatting options need some attention….

  78. E.M.Smith says:

    How about Ozone?

    http://www.mri-jma.go.jp/Dep/cl/cl2/personal/kuroda/Solar_cycle/Solar_cycle.html

    Connects cyclical solar output with ozone modulation of the Southern Annular Mode. We get QBO variation from:

    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007JD008983.shtml

    We suggest that the decadal variation of the QBO period originates in the upper stratosphere, where the solar-ozone radiative influence is strong.

    And does it drive climate? These folks think maybe so:

    http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/5/12103/2005/acpd-5-12103-2005-print.pdf

    3.3 Impact on meteorology and possible climate implications

    [...]In fact, we find for both hemispheres a close correlation between measured ozone in the mid-stratosphere during early winter and the flux of planetary waves into the stratosphere during mid-winter, expressed by the vertical component of the Eliassen-Palm (EP) flux25 at 100 hPa during February (northern hemisphere, Fig. 4b) or August (southern hemi-sphere, Fig. 4c). The EP flux during mid winter largely controls polar stratospheric temperatures (Newman et al., 2001) and total ozone during late winter and spring. At present we can only speculate what causes the relation between early winter ozone and mid-winter EP flux. Following Hu and Tung (2003), a possible explanation could be as follows:

    A reduction of polar ozone may lead to an increased temperature contrast between mid- and high latitudes due to reduced radiative heating, modifying the refractive index for planetary waves and thereby suppressing the propagation of planetary waves into the stratosphere, which then could lead to further polar cooling and increased ozone loss.

    4 Conclusions

    Our finding of a large decadal scale variation in early winter stratospheric ozone suggests that solar variability exerts a larger influence on polar ozone than previously thought. Although we cannot give a complete explanation for the observed decadal scale ozone changes, the close correlation of the difference between modeled and observed ozone with the flux of energetic electrons in the radiation belt provides some evidence for a large-scale influence of energetic electron precipitation on stratospheric
    ozone. Moreover, if there is a direct link between early winter ozone and mid-winter EP15 flux, as suggested by the empirical correlation shown in Fig. 4, then energetic electron precipitation could have a significant impact not only on polar stratospheric ozone and temperatures but also on climate.

    It looks to me like there is a peak of IR absorption that only O3 covers in the 9 to 10 micrometer range:

    http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/2-03.jpg

    We have O3 dropping like a rock with the sulking sun:

    http://exp-studies.tor.ec.gc.ca/e/ozone/Curr_allmap_g.htm

    Has -10 to -20% on 22Dec08 and had ozone at about -10% to -30% deviation in the north pole and up to (down to?) -40% deviation in the south pole on 13Dec08.

    Looks to me like the sun is opening the window shade on the 9-10 micrometer window…

    The climate models take no account of this… From: (The Dark Side… ;-)

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/greenhouse-gases/

    Thus a statement like the one above, and the headline that came from it are interpreted to mean that the estimates of sensitivity or of future warming are now in question. Yet this is completely misleading since neither climate sensitivity nor CO2 driven future warming will be at all affected by any revisions in ozone chemistry – mainly for the reason that most climate models don’t consider ozone chemistry at all. Precisely zero of the IPCC AR4 model simulations (discussed here for instance) used an interactive ozone module in doing the projections into the future.

    And at least one site says ozone does matter:

    http://www.global-climate-change.org.uk/6-8-1.php

    If the negative forcing of aerosol loading and ozone depletion is also included, the climate sensitivity is much greater. This result is intuitively correct, since the radiative effects of aerosols and ozone loss would offset the warming due to increased greenhouse gases.

    When solar variability is included into the model, the explained variance of the observational record is greater than for greenhouse forcing alone. This is true for all of the solar variables considered here. The forcing combination that explains the most variance in the observational record (57%) includes the effects of greenhouse gases, aerosols and ozone depletion, and the rate of change of solar diameter. The latter, it seems, is accounting for much of the inter-decadal variability in the instrumental record.

    We even have the obligatory “blame it on greanhouse gases” via computer models. Hmmm GHG causes GHG… so are we off the hook? ;-)

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/ozdep.html

    In late 1997, larger levels of ozone depletion were observed over the Arctic than in any previous year on record. Now, using climate models, a team of scientists reports why this may be related to greenhouse gases, according to a paper published in the April 9 issue of Nature.

    “Buildup of greenhouse gases leads to global warming at the Earth’s surface, but cools the stratosphere. Since ozone chemistry is very sensitive to temperature, this cooling results in more ozone depletion in the polar regions,” said Dr. Drew Shindell of Columbia University, the lead author of the study. NASA will continue research in this area to determine if these models are accurate.

    This site: http://www.ghgonline.org/otherstropozone.htm

    says ozone matters a lot; that it is 1/3 of direct GHG warming; AND that most of it comes from the stratosphere (which I would assert means not from us down here on the surface… i.e. probably the sun…)

    As a direct greenhouse gas, it is thought to have caused around one third of all the direct greenhouse gas induced warming seen since the industrial revolution.
    [...]
    The largest net source of tropospheric ozone is influx from the stratosphere.

    So am I the only one who thinks there might be something interesting going on here WRT ozone and our present freezing weather?

  79. Bob Durrenberger says:

    Most of the pictures that I have seen of the Russian stations show that the Stevenson screens are more than 6 feet above the ground. Do you know if they place their instruments at a standard height?

  80. Anthony, FYI on Friday I downloaded the data for average global temperatures from the NCDC website, which is compiled monthly from 1880 to the present date. I had done the same thing in September 2008, and surprisingly I noticed that a number of the data points had been changed sometime between September and last Friday. I have written to the NCDC pointing out the discrepancies, and asking for clarification. If you can send me an email address i can send you my excel file which lists all the discrepancies.

  81. John R says:

    Hi Anthony,

    I would recommend you try Foxmarks.com to syncronize your bookmarks on all your computers and its free on the firefox website.

  82. Ken says:

    GETTA LOAD OF THIS — Deep Solar Minimum Predicted in 1987 to occur about now — with unique explanation/support:

    http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1987SoPh..110..191F/0000191.000.html

    The paper at the above link, “Prolonged Minima and the 179-Year Cycle of the Solar Inertial Motion,” by R.W.Fairbridge & J.H.Shirley (Received 3 January 1987) tentatively predicted that the Sun would go into a ‘deep minimum’ between 1990-2013…and would (will?) terminate the minimum about 2091!

    The authors used an approach that examined the effect of the major planets (Jupiter & Saturn in particular) pulling the Sun’s orbital path “off center” (like the smooth path taken by the center of mass of a tossed twirling barbell vs. the weighted ends traveling a complex path): the barycenter of the solar system (the solar barycentric orbit) moves in predictable (largely repeating in a consistent pattern) cycles of 179 years (with eight patterns at shorter intervals embedded within the 179 year cycle).

    The effect studied was NOT tidal forces acting on the Sun. Apparently this planet-induced motion, or recently induced stillness, affects internal fluid motions in the Sun like causing water to swirl, or stop swirling, in a cup (this is my layman’s guess-explanation). I can’t help but wonder if this dynamic might explain the recent noteworthy slowdown in the Sun’s Meridianal Flows (“Conveyor”)…but I digress…

    The authors show that when two particular derived measures have certain parameters at-the-same-time, the Sun has gone into a deep minimum (Maunder, Sporer, and Wolf were covered by the data ranged studied). Per their 1987 findings, this would happpen again (has happened?) about 1990-2013.

    I haven’t seen ANY discussion of the above ANYWHERE…just happened upon the paper (though I might have missed it). I wonder if this effect has been incorporated in the solar dynamo models often referenced (e.g. M. Dikpati’s at HAO, which is predicting a large cycle 24)?

    ALSO, consider the paper (available on-line): “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″ by Willam Livingston & Matthew Penn — where they document how since 1990 sunspot magnetic field (& other) intensity has been found be have been declining within the sunspots while the darkest parts have shown a warming trend…with a linear projection giving the 2015 spot-vanish figure. I believe a recent (past few months/weeks) mention in this or related blog indicated that Livingston’s/Penn’s observations were (are?) still on the same track noted in the paper…

    Both seem credible & suggest things could get nippy….

  83. Scott Covert says:

    Hi Anthony.

    I have a thought, since thousands of private weather stations are listed on Weather Underground with their physical location, would it be practicle to look at parallel data from stations in urban areas compared to stations in suburban and rural areas by their distance from urban centers to get a real index of UHI?

    Of course data quality would be crappy but since there is so much data, that might smooth out the errors since urban errors would most likely be as large as rural errors.

    I know you don’t need another project but maybe a few cities could be surveyed.

  84. Ross says:

    Hello Anthony,

    I enjoy your site very much and visit often.

    In a previous post [not on this page] I asked if you have a PO Box or other address to which donations could be made for those of us reluctant to use PayPal or credit cards on line. No direct reply was made. Might be worth posting such if you have one.
    **********************************************
    FWIW today I sent the letter below to our new president. I don’t really expect anything to come of it, but if enough people also wrote … well, who knows?

    The folowing email address was used: comments@whitehouse.gov
    [sorry, don't know how to make that an active link]

    President Obama,

    Congratulations on your historic inauguration. I wish you great success in your administration. The great American experiment in civilization, begun over two centuries ago, continues. It is our obligation to make sure, as best we can, that experiment succeeds and flourishes

    Mr. President, you recently made public statements regarding the openness of government information and how you would try to reinforce this policy.

    In this regard I would like to recommend that – perhaps through the mechanism of Executive Order – you require that all scientists and researchers whose work is supported in any way by public funds, on the publication of their theories, conjectures or findings, make publicly available through electronic or other suitable media, all relevant data, methods, procedures, etc. that may be required for their work to be reconstructed and then reproduced or verified/falsified by interested parties.

    In the interest of true scientific advancement, all published scientific theories and conjectures must be subject to review – especially when financed by public funds. If not subjected to review and verification, such research becomes no better than “magic” and is equivalent to “Trust me, I’m right!”

    When potentially very expensive public policy may be made based on the recommendations and opinions of the scientific community, those recommendations/opinions should be subject to open review.

    The above suggestion would, of course, not apply to matters related to national security.

    Thank you for your attention,

    Floyd Ross
    Santa Barbara, California

  85. E.M.Smith says:

    Getting GISStemp code and data:

    To download the GISSTEMP source code go to:

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/sources/

    and click on the download link.

    Unpack the archive, and read gistemp.txt

    GISS temperatures are replicated here:

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

    The papers describing the GISS methodology can be found here:

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

    Inside GISStemp:

    They say to unpack the archive and read the documentation, but it’s a bit thin… a file at the top level of the directory structure, gistemp.txt, that gives a general idea of what’s going on but says little about algorithms. Variables and files are poorly documented (you have to hunt through the code and figure them out…) but the code isn’t very fancy. It’s about 4.5Mb unpacked and that includes some of the data files that they left in directories. Very little of it is actually code. About 6000 lines all told, of which I would estimate 1000 or so is actually ‘functional’ in the sense that it is not a file open/close, data format declaration, comment, or gratuitous FORTRAN program re-compile wrapper. Mostly you need to resort to whatever readme files are in the STEP* directories and the top level driver scripts of the form do_comb_stepX.sh where X is the step number. The methodology descriptions from the location listed above may be helpful.

    Manual Steps:

    Getting the input data: ftp the data from the origin sites.

    The antarctic data is already in the downloaded source package.

    From ./gistemp.txt:

    Basic data set: GHCN – ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v2
    v2.mean.Z (data file)
    v2.temperature.inv.Z (station information file)

    For US: USHCN – ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn
    hcn_doe_mean_data.Z
    station_inventory

    For Antarctica: SCAR – http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/met/READER/surface/stationpt.html
    http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/met/READER/temperature.html
    http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/met/READER/aws/awspt.html

    For Hohenpeissenberg – http://members.lycos.nl/ErrenWijlens/co2/t_hohenpeissenberg_200306.txt
    complete record for this rural station
    (thanks to Hans Erren who reported it to GISS on July 16, 2003)

  86. Ross says:

    E.M.Smith (13:36:31) :

    How about Ozone?

    A very interesting and provocative post.

    I suggest you copy it to another WUWT page with more traffic than this one if relevant to the topic of that page. It should arouse many comments.

    [or maybe you already have?]

  87. I spotted this article in the UK Daily telegraph:

    It seems like absolutely fanciful garbage to me in that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, seems to have the slightest efect on the faith of the believers.
    Anyone who is reasonable could agree (possibly) that somone could possibly reach a conclusion that the probability is towards AGW however the information is so poor and the subject so feebly understood that certainty is at best a mark of foolishness and at worst greed and meglomania.

    “Britain may be in the grip of the coldest winter for 30 years and grappling with up to a foot of snow in some places but the extreme weather is entirely consistent with global warming, claim scientists.

    By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
    Last Updated: 6:41AM GMT 03 Feb 2009

    Temperatures for December and January were consistently 1.8 F ( 1 C) lower than the average of 41 F (5 C)and 37 F (3C) respectively and more snow fell in London this week than since the 1960s.

    But despite this extreme weather, scientists say that the current cold snap does not mean that climate change is going into reverse. In fact, the surprise with which we have greeted the extreme conditions only reinforces how our climate has changed over the years.

    A study by the Met Office which went back 350 years shows that such extreme weather now only occurs every 20 years.

    Back in the pre-industrial days of Charles Dickens, it was a much more regular occurrence – hitting the country on average every five years or so.

    During that time global temperatures has risen by 1.7 F (0.8 C), studies have shown.

    “Even though this is quite a cold winter by recent standards it is still perfectly consistent with predictions for global warming,” said Dr Myles Allen, head of the Climate Dynamics group at Department of Physics, University of Oxford.

    “If it wasn’t for global warming this cold snap would happen much more regularly. What is interesting is that we are now surprised by this kind of weather. I doubt we would have been in the 1950s because it was much more common.

    “As for snowfall that could actually increase in the short term because of global warming. We have all heard the expression ‘too cold to snow’ and we have always expected precipitation to increase.

    “All the indicators still suggest that we are warming up in line with predictions.”

    This winter seems so bad precisely because it is now so unusual. In contrast the deep freezes of 1946-47 and 1962-63 were much colder – 5.3 F (2.97C) and 7.9 F (4.37C) cooler than the long-term norm.

    And with global warming we can expect another 1962-63 winter only once every 1,100 years, compared with every 183 years before 1850.

    Dave Britton, a meteorologist and climate scientist at the Met Office, said: “Even with global warming you cannot rule out we will have a cold winter every so often. It sometimes rains in the Sahara but it is still a desert.”

    Scientists point out that the people must distinguish between climate and weather. Weather is what happens in the short term whereas climate is the long term trend.

    “Just as the wet summer of 2007 or recent heat waves cannot be attributed to global warming nor can this cold snap,” said Bob Ward, spokesman for the Grantham Research Institute for Climate Change at London School of Economics.

    “What is important to do is look at the long term global trends and they are still up. What we experience in the short term in this country is not important. After all, Melbourne had a heat wave last week.”

    As for the suggestion that the recent cold weather is due to a reversal of the warming Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic Drift – otherwise known as the Thermohaline Circulation – this has been mostly ruled out by recent research.

    “It has a very low chance of happening and if it does occur it will be in centuries time,” added Mr Ward.

    The North Atlantic Drift is an extension of the Gulf Stream which brings warm tropical water from the Gulf of Mexico to northern Europe, including Britain. Its effect is to bring up the average temperature.

  88. Richard Goodley says:

    Sorry Anthony & Everyone – got lost on the site a little and now realise I shouldn;t have posted an article in this area –
    Is there a facility on the site for posting something to you that may be of interest?

  89. Matt says:

    Hi – Great info thanks for all your work.

    Watts up with Chemtrails? I would like to know if you have any information.
    No one is touching this massive subject – its the biggest Pink Elephant in this area of study…this is happening all aroung the globe everyday!!!!
    [snip]

    REPLY: That’s because the whole chemtrails as government control “story” is absolute juvenile rubbish of the highest order, and there will not ever be any discussion of it here. No ifs, ands, or buts. No rebuttals, all will be wholesale deleted.- Anthony

  90. Matt says:

    I will never send you another message on this (& i am a fan of your site) but does this subject not come under the banner of “puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news” – [snip]

    Reply: Anthony was clear the first time ~ charles the moderator

  91. bluegrue says:

    Please do have a look into the veracity of the sites

    Greenhouse Gas Amounts, Weighted contribution
    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

    Greenhouse Effect (By Gas)
    http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

    Table 1 in both pages (the verizon one is a mirror site) lists two columns “man-made additions” and “natural additions”. The data is attributed to the DOE in the caption. Footnote 1 gives the alleged source:

    1) Current Greenhouse Gas Concentrations (updated October, 2000)
    Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center
    (the primary global-change data and information analysis center of the U.S. Department of Energy)
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee

    Greenhouse Gases and Climate Change (data now available only to “members”)
    IEA Greenhouse Gas R&D Programme,
    Stoke Orchard, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL52 7RZ, United Kingdom.

    Neither the current incarnation of that page holds the info to the abovementioned columns
    http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
    Nor do the pages archived by Archive.org
    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
    (I have checked all of the starred pages, which indicate updates).

    The second source refers its readers to the IPCC report, which in turn attributes the increase from pre-industrial levels to todays levels in CO2 and other GHGs to human activities.

    At the minimum Monte Hieb misattributes the data to the DOE, giving them undeserved credibility. As I do not see any source for these numbers whatsoever, I have to wonder, where these numbers come from; after all they are fundamental to Hieb’s whole argument.

    The Monte Hieb page is referenced repeatedly on this blog
    http://www.google.com/search?q=WVFossils+greenhouse_data+site%3Awattsupwiththat.com
    by multiple users.

    I think, for the reasons given above it ought to be removed from the resources list, at the very minimum a warning label is in order.

  92. ian edmonds says:

    Sulfur Dioxide Initiates Global Climate Change in Four Ways
    New Reseach by Dr. Peter L. Ward in Thin Solid Films
    In the article ‘Sulfur Dioxide Initiates Global Climate Change in Four Ways’, published by Elsevier in Thin Solid Films, Dr. Peter L. Ward of Teton Tectonics, USA, observed that the highest rates of volcanic activity in the past 46,000 years occurred at the same time as the highest rates of global warming after the last ice age. Global warming occurs when too much sulfur dioxide gas is released by volcanoes or by humans burning fossil fuels.
    Ward then observed that the rate of increase of both methane and temperature during the 20th century tracked changes in the amounts of sulfur dioxide emitted by man. Human sulfur emissions peaked around 1980 as international efforts to reduce acid rain took effect. The rate of increase of methane in the atmosphere began to decrease by 1990. Increases in methane and global temperature approached zero by 2000 and have remained low until present.

  93. ian edmonds says:

    Sulfur Dioxide Initiates Global Climate Change in Four Ways
    New Reseach by Dr. Peter L. Ward in Thin Solid Films
    In the article ‘Sulfur Dioxide Initiates Global Climate Change in Four Ways’, published by Elsevier in Thin Solid Films, Dr. Peter L. Ward of Teton Tectonics, USA, observed that the highest rates of volcanic activity in the past 46,000 years occurred at the same time as the highest rates of global warming after the last ice age. Global warming occurs when too much sulfur dioxide gas is released by volcanoes or by humans burning fossil fuels.
    Ward then observed that the rate of increase of both methane and temperature during the 20th century tracked changes in the amounts of sulfur dioxide emitted by man. Human sulfur emissions peaked around 1980 as international efforts to reduce acid rain took effect. The rate of increase of methane in the atmosphere began to decrease by 1990. Increases in methane and global temperature approached zero by 2000 and have remained low until present.
    “These observations make sense,” Ward says, “when you realize that sulfur dioxide is changing the oxidizing capacity of the atmosphere.” A dirty atmosphere warms the earth. A clean atmosphere cools the earth. The atmosphere cleans itself by oxidizing greenhouse gases and other pollutants, causing their molecules to become larger and therefore to fall out or be rained out of the atmosphere.
    When human sulfur emissions decreased in 1980, it took 20 years for enough oxidants to be generated to decrease the methane concentration enough to stabilize global temperatures. The decrease in sulfur emissions in the 1980s to reduce acid rain stopped global warming. Global temperatures have been nearly constant since 2000. “By reducing acid rain, we accidentally reduced global warming, however the good news,” says Ward, “is that we now know how to reduce global warming. We can increase power consumption while decreasing sulfur emissions.”
    What about carbon dioxide? During the 20th century carbon dioxide has been increasing nearly linearly and has not yet levelled off in a manner similar to methane and temperature. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas compounding global warming, but it is not the initiator of climate change. Ward used the concentration of sulfate ions in snow layers in Greenland to estimate yearly volcanic and human sulfur dioxide emissions over the past 100,000 years. Recent concentrations are similar to the highest concentrations observed during the few thousand years when the world warmed suddenly out of the last ice age. The rapid increase in recent concentrations cannot be attributed to increased volcanic activity but correlates closely with increases in known sulfur emissions from human burning of fossil fuels.
    The groundbreaking research, published in Thin Solid Films, an international Elsevier journal which serves scientists and engineers working in the fields of thin-film synthesis, characterization, and applications can be found online via ScienceDirect.
    >>To access the article via ScienceDirect
    I hope this information will be useful to your research.

  94. Guillermo Gefaell says:

    May I suggest this link, for the Solar section?
    http://personal.inet.fi/tiede/tilmari/sunspots.html

    Thanks for this excellent WUWT blog.

  95. This informal article helped me very much! Saved your site, extremely great topics just about everywhere that I see here! I really appreciate the info, thanks.

  96. Nancy T. Sazani says:

    This is what your argument on Temp recodings and weather stations being positioned near exhaust fans or in asphault parking lots and other factors that could effect the temp where the sation is located
    “Temp record is unreliable
    U.S. weather stations have been located next to exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots, on blistering-hot rooftops, and near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat. 89 percent of the stations fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own siting requirements that stations must be 30 metres away from an artificial heating or radiating/reflecting heat source. (Watts 2009)

    This is what is the actual facts form scientists that have done much research and also have degrees in meteorology. This is quoted right off the Skeptical Science.com website

    “Surveys of weather stations in the USA have indicated that some of them are not sited as well as they could be. This calls into question the quality of their readings.

    However, when processing their data, the organisations which collect the readings take into account any local heating or cooling effects, such as might be caused by a weather station being located near buildings or large areas of tarmac. This is done, for instance, by weighting (adjusting) readings after comparing them against those from more rural weather stations nearby.

    More importantly, for the purpose of establishing a temperature trend, the relative level of single readings is less important than whether the pattern of all readings from all stations taken together is increasing, decreasing or staying the same from year to year. Furthermore, since this question was first raised, research has established that any error that can be attributed to poor siting of weather stations is not enough to produce a significant variation in the overall warming trend being observed.

    It’s also vital to realise that warnings of a warming trend — and hence Climate Change — are not based simply on ground level temperature records. Other completely independent temperature data compiled from weather balloons, satellite measurements, and from sea and ocean temperature records, also tell a remarkably similar warming story.”

    So maybe Mr. Watts, because I cannot call your Doctor Watts, you should weigh all the evidence and realize scientists take all the factors into consideration of where weather stations are all of them weather near cities or exhaust fumes or out in farmlands, they are all coming up with the same trend. The climate is warming. And it is really a shame that this is going to have to get so bad and, that the humans and species on earth will have to suffer the consequences of our lack of action now, in order to decide to do something about it later, when it will be harder and more costly to try to fix

  97. oferty pracy ratownik says:

    How about we all just start leaving the US? All us blond-hair blue-eyed hard working, educated, money earners who contribute to society and pay horrendously high taxes to our money hungry, overpowering government. How about we take what’s ours and move to, let’s say Australia? That’s what I’m doing.

  98. Bill Hunt says:

    Hi,

    you may find this book of interest in your crusade against Socialism. Global Warming, Challenged.

    Rather than being from the normal purely climate model, it is written by one trained in biology, geology and engineering who worked in endangered species and before that, in engineering work. (Thank our economy for that change…)

    The emphasis is in three main areas: 1. how little actual historic data is in the GW/CC phenom, 2. just how badly solar and geologic processes outclass man and 3. how so much is simply “this is the way it MUST be” by the GW/CC crowd.

    How many know about our 650,000 seamounts, millions of smaller subsea volcanoes, 500 active land vents, 10-15% of the land’s crust covered with carbonates that erode 1″ per year on average and so on? And the 37,000 mile long MORB? These spew out CO2 on levels that make man look like an ant vs. the continent of America.

    The first 24 pages are online here:
    http://www.holodiscustechnical.com/excerpts_from_gwc/excerpts_from_gwc.html

    It’s been out since 2008, but few outside of Oregon know about it, mainly due to the lack of anything but local media coverage.

    I’d love to update it, but NASA and NOAA went from being science-based to “creative data” as have the other agencies I originally drew the base data from. One no longer knows what is real data and what is activism. Even sunspot numbers are now “smoothed.”

    Bill Hunt

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