See Update 6 – a poll has been added about whether the COP21 climate conference in Paris should continue as planned.
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
BREAKING NEWS – a major Terrorist attack is in progress in Paris, which will shortly host the COP21 Climate Conference. At least 140 40 people are reported to be dead, up to 100 hostages still unaccounted for.
According to Sky News Australia;
French police officials say at least 40 people have been killed in multiple attacks in Paris, including one near the Stade de France sports stadium and another at a concert venue.
French Media is reporting at least 60 people have been killed.
Fifteen of the victims have been killed at the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris, with reports saying a further 100 people have been taken hostage.
Others have been killed in explosions near the stadium just north of Paris, where a France-Germany football match was taking place, and in a restaurant shooting.
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Lets us all hope that French authorities manage to stop this horrific terrorist attack, with minimal further loss of life.
UPDATE by Anthony: I wonder if President Obama will rethink his threat priorities now, this from the White House Twitter feed in April:
Update 2: I will add, that this is a terrible terrible thing, and I think I speak for all WUWT readers that our hearts go out to the victims and their families in Paris. Let’s hope there is a swift end to this, and that the guilty will be brought to justice.
Update 3: France is under a state of emergency, and has closed its borders:
“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08
Update4: Meanwhile, Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html
It appears the 24 hours of reality/act on climate video feed is off now, probably a sensible thing to do. Screencap from https://www.climaterealityproject.org/24hoursofreality
Update 5: questions about COP21 already being asked according to BBC Europe editor Katya Adler:
Update 5: Watch France 24 Live in English http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed
Update 6: Poll added, since this is being discussed in media worldwide now.
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The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates. An attack on them would be a major pr coup for terrorists and a disaster for the French state and humanity.
I would expect the climate summit in the format Currently proposed will need to be postponed.
Tonyb
COP21 is the Target. This is just like advance polling.
Why on earth is cop21 the target?
Tonyb
No-one gives a monkey’s about COP21.
This is just terrorism.
And we shouldn’t be afraid.
They only use violence because they can’t match the freedom of democracies.
Or the compassion of democracies,
Or the wealth generation of democracies.
Or the future of democracies.
Because we are better than such narrow minded hatred.
No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.
Islamophobes! (How long before the accusations of Islamophobia resume?)
“This is just terrorism.
And we shouldn’t be afraid.”
“No-one gives a monkey’s about the desperation of ISIS.”
Well the French government is, I am sure, quite concerned about public perception. What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.
I expect life will become very problematic for ISIS in the coming weeks and months.
This coordinated attack on France, including one at the location of the President, is tantamount to an act of war; and France being a member of NATO means that, treaty wise, we are technically at war with ISIS.
That is my take on the situation, anyway. Spineless politicians may try to explain it away though, and wait for the other shoe to fall.
Giving those bloodthirsty killers free rein to expand and do their thing, to gather funds and plan operations…for NEARLY AN ENTIRE YEAR, will be seen as a very dim-witted and boneheaded, and a de facto abandonment of the responsibility of our governments to protect it’s citizenry.
They have declared all along they are at war with us, and will soon bring it too us.
History tells us that such warnings are best not ignored or taken lightly.
Actually I don’t think COP 21 would be a target as both ISIS/Al-Qaida and cop21 organizers both want a single world government that has the energy infrastructure of the Stone Age
COP21 has nothing to do with that
Menicholas
November 13, 2015 at 6:07 pm
If a connection to ISIS, a self-proclaimed state with territory it administers, can indeed be shown behind this outrage, then, yes France, a NATO member (although not participating in its military organization) has been attacked by a state, not a terrorist gang like Qaeda, and other NATO members would be obliged by the treaty to come to the defense of France.
Maybe if enough other countries urge him to, Obama might act. But I fear he’ll try to do anything he does do on the cheap. To wipe out ISIS in Iraq rapidly would require upwards of two US Marine divisions and the Army’s XVIII Airborne Corps (three light–10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, 101st Air Assault–and one heavy, 3rd Armored, divisions, reinforced with Stryker Brigade Combat Teams), plus a Special Forces Group and a large Air Expeditionary Wing.
A minor fraction of that force could have kept ISIS out of Iraq in the first place.
The terrorists don’t give an aerobatic assignation about COP21. If they did, they’d have waited until next month.
@ratuma November 13, 2015 at 7:17 pm
“COP21 has nothing to do with that”
Nothing to do with what?
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/553232345afbd35c3e8b4567-480/us-president-barack-obama-says-climate-change-poses-the-single-biggest-threat-to-the-world.jpg
US President Barack Obama says climate change poses the single biggest threat to the world
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=lyS3ja6atpQ
“What IS obvious is the complete stupidity of the Islamic radicals. They just don’t seem to realize that if they poke the bear(‘s) enough that they are going to be on the receiving end with a result that won’t be pretty for them or their “Caliphate”. The Russians in particular are the most ruthless and effective about such replies as they historically don’t have much concern with political correctness or bothering to hide “human rights” violations.”
Yea Yea. More brain dead tough tallk.
These radicals are very intelegent. They know that us westerners are stupid and still think sending conventional military forces to the middle east will have any lasting effect. Have you already forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan? The Soviets couldn’t even keep Afghanistan.
What is needed is a policy of containment and non-intervention in the region. Absent a common enemy in the region, they will quickly go back to fighting between each other. Our military can then focus on national DEFENCE and not offence.
These attacks make headlines, but are at best an anoyance. Don’t play into their hands and go on another military expedition.
BFL: Prior to WWII the Japanese leadership, was convinced that the US did not have the will to fight, and if they could deliver a serious blow to us that the US would rush to capitulate. They believed this because of American behavior since WWI. If you read through the things politicians were saying and doing at the time, it was not an unreasonable assumption for someone to make. Especially someone unfamiliar with western culture.
It may be blood thirsty, but it’s a strategy that has worked time and time again throughout history.
Offer peace if they are willing to take it. However if they don’t want peace, then attack every time attacked in an over whelming counter strike.
They kill 100 of us, we kill 10,000 of them. Keep it up until they decide that peace is the better option, or we run out of them.
Either way, problem solved.
“NATO member (although not participating in its military organization)”
Please explain.
In WWII yes, the Japanese attacked the U.S. in an effort to gain capitulation from a perceived weak nation and thereby gain total control over the North Pacific region. But expecting the U.S. to back down is 180 dev from what ISIS/ISIL – Al-Qaida are expecting.
The extremists in the region want western involvement. Every time we remove an Arab Dictator, they move in
You would be hard pressed to find a country in the region where we haven’t deposed a dictator and the extremists didn’t move in and set up shop with principles based on sharia law.
They want the western world to fight against them and are uncaring of weather or not they die. After all, to a Ji-hadist, the Ji-had itself is insurance of the afterlife
Gluteus Maximus:
This is actually incorrect, since ISIS is not recognized as a state by any of NATO members. It will probably lead to a escalation of the attacks that some NATO members are already carrying out on ISIS.
Oliver Tickell has published a barmy theory about the Paris attacks and COP21, based on the conjecture the ISIS derives its funding from fossil fuels and so wants to scupper any “agreement” at COP21 by scaring off the hosts or the delegates. Somehow I doubt whether such concerns were on Omar Ismail Mostefai’s mind. H/T bishop-hill . http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2986288/paris_attacks_cop21_and_the_war_on_terror.html
Writes climatereason:
On “humanity”? Haven’t you gotten it a bit back-to-front? Let us interpret “humanity” as the members of the human race whom these “40000 delegates” are bent upon plundering, impoverishing, starving, and sentencing to death by hypothermia and pneumonia in homes the poor people can’t afford to heat.
With that in mind, any “terrorists” exploiting this opportunity to put these 40,000 tax-feeders, rent-seekers, charlatans, quacks, confidence men, megalomaniacs, and other “malevolent jobholders” – not to mention a hefty corps of legacy media root-weevils – out of “humanity’s” misery might be considered to have provided a public service.
Allah knows that culling this herd cannot be interpreted as aught but a blessing upon mankind at large, dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb alike.
Are you seriously suggesting that the 40000 delegates to a s scientific conference, No matter your feelings about the event, should be ‘culled’?
Tonyb
climatereason indignifies:
Oh, perish forfend!
Not “should.”
Not that such a development wouldn’t come with more than a wee frisson of satisfaction should there be occasion for so many of these international Social Justice Warriors to become the focus of juramentado attentions in the City of Lights.
Don’t for an instant imagine that this Schlurperfest beginning 30 November is in ANY way “a scientific conference.”
There ceased to be anything “scientific” about this fraud the moment Mann et alia got “Mike’s Nature trick” through pal-review and into publication.
It’s a bit depressing that such vile sentiments were not removed by the moderators, and will be seen by many as a valid point for discussion on this website
[mods on duty this morning are cleaning up those coomemnts -mod]
‘Mods on duty’ seem to have time to comment, but still don’t remove vile comments.
It bodes ill for WUWT if this rubbish is allowed to sit here and stink.
markx expresses disgruntlement that my comment to the effect that
…has not been excised as “vile.”
Has markx not yet examined the United Nations’ Agenda 21 in order to discern true vileness?
Oh, yeah. For all our “religion of peace” readers: أكل لحم الخنزير أو الموت
Thanks Tucci.
I have read all that. Previously.
I don’t like it.
I still consider your comment vile.
And it will do nothing but degrade the reputation and standing of WUWT in the eyes of critics and neutral observers.
But, that is a decision for, and the concern of, Anthony Watts.
I’d simply suggest you may do better to put aside your anger and shrill lust for blood, and apply your energies more calmly and positively in your effort to rectify the wrongs you perceive.
Regards and thanks,
markx
markx indulges his political correctness perseverently in censor-wannabe mode, reiterating:
Reminds me of that 17 November in 2009 when I cracked open FOIA2009.zip and started scanning the e-mails circulated among the Climatic Research Unit correspondents to discover confirmation that these sons of bitches had not only been co-opting the editorial functions of the most prestigious journals in the sciences but also perverting blinded peer review into flagrantly collusive pal review and I felt my Sicilian ethnicity taking hold from down in the depths of the id, with my thumbs a-twitch and the urge to take throats between my hands and literally put an end to these thieving, lying, whoring saboteurs of everything the sciences had ever stood for.
Genuine “urge to kill.” Cleansing passion, that, after close to thirty years of suffering the blatant fraud perpetrated by these arrogant, frankly evil “consensus” quacks.
So, no, the thought of the great bulk of the highest-ranking “Climate Change” fraud’s co-conspirators having themselves an energetic encounter with a cadre of suicide-vest-wearing jihadis sincerely espousing an older and more brutally murderous fallacy couldn’t possibly strike my sense of justice as anything other than one of those poetic conjunctions so seldom gracing the pages of history.
A sort of consummation devoutly to be wished, if y’know what I mean.
Indirectly, the “climate catastrophe” fraudsters have killed people. Pensioners dying of hypothermia in the U.K. because the alarmists engaged a CO2-reduction strategy the employed “carbon pricing” to punish all consumers with higher energy prices, leaving folks on limited income no option but the suffer the winters with little or no heat. Americans on similarly limited incomes struggling to pay their electricity bills – which Obozo had promised (to the purpose of abating “carbon polllution”) would “necessarily skyrocket” – and not uncommonly failing to do so, shivering in the cold and the dark for months on end. Costs of food all over the planet rising as vast amounts of corn is turned into fuel ethanol that only an idiot wants in his gas tank, and which has to be forced on vendors and their customers by federal regulations of no constitutionality whatsoever, just so leftard Watermelons can feel good about ramming “renewable energy” up the collective ass of their innocent neighbors.
Do I want these guys to cease and desist? You betcha. Am I one of the growing number of Americans approaching the point where “shoot, shovel, and shut up” looks like a better option than letting the death of a thousand cuts continue?
Yep.
Muslim hookers in Paris would then be very ticked off at their co-religionists.
I’ve been listening to the news on several different stations, and no one has ever mentioned ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islamic’, etc.
What else could it be??
But we know this is the Administration’s view. So naturally they’re spinning this as if it’s just a bunch of disgruntled Mormons. Or something.
I have heard that at least one person was arrested and claimed to be “from ISIS”.
And the concert shooters proclaimed that “this is for Syria”.
Of course, reports at this stage could prove erroneous.
But I will lay down hard cash-money that the Mormons are not responsible.
Or Catholics.
Or Baptists.
Or Christians of any denomination.
Or Jews.
Or Hindus.
Or Buddhists.
Or Shinto, Taoists, Zoroastrianists, Sikhs, Toltecs, Heathens, Celtic polytheists, Pagans, Wiccans, or Hellenists.
And not even Pastafarians.
At least Obama did use the word “terrorist”, but couldn’t bring himself to say “Muslim”, although they were known as such from the outset. Of course, to him, only peaceful Muslims are real Muslims, contrary to the words of the Prophet, eternal damnation be upon him.
I’ve been listening to the news on several different stations, and no one has ever mentioned ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islamic’, etc.
dbstealy I was watching Fox News and they had “Islamist Terrorists” in the headline at the top for a good part of the night.
That’s why I watch Fox, they’re unafraid to call a spade a spade despite Obama’s desires.
Security around the conference is going to be a lot tighter than anything seen today.
It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
Terrorists like going after soft targets, the body count is higher.
Maybe, consider that President Hollande was at the stadium where several bombs were exploded. That is a bit surprising to me the terrorists could get that close. One positive spin to this tragedy is that the liberal politicians across Europe may succumb to voter dissatisfaction in the years to follow. There is going to be a very angry backlash from public opinion on this sorrowful episode.
It’s highly unlikely they could have penetrated the hotels and venues of the conference.
That assumes that they have not already penetrated the hotels. Think of all the places you can hide nefarious things.
Think of how many of the staff at Parisian hotels are Muslims. Like Muslim Brotherhood baggage handlers at Sharm el-Sheikh.
I would expect that the background checks on employees at a top hotel in a major capital to be higher than at a minor air port half way to nowhere.
Heads of state usually bring their own security to such venues. When the president is travelling the secret service usually closes off an entire floor and they control all entrances and exits.
The targets are soft because the people are disarmed. Armed people make for harder targets.
“The French state can not guarantee the safety of the 40000 delegates.” (Tonyb)
Yes…., but this was known months ago (years, actually).
On the contrary, the actual event is planned for a private airport. To control the site itself would be straightforward. The city of Paris, its cafes and restaurants, etc, yes I accept that’s another matter. But they cannot be allowed to win. COP 21 should go ahead.
Absolute nonsense. All they would have to do is use a few drones, available in any hobby shop, to drop devices on the venue.
Drones can only carry a pound or so, at most. The heavier their payload, the shorter their range, which isn’t that great to begin with.
Beyond that, control over commercial drones can be easily jammed. Even military type drones can be jammed with sufficient effort.
Predator is a drone.
“drone” is meaningless term. Please stop using it.
Under no circumstances should the COP21 conference be allowed to continue. It’s true purpose is political and is harmful to the economies of most nations. It will destroy Western Civilization, possibly before the Islamic states have a chance to do so. Saying that, it will probably fail as they are already fighting over how to divide up the stolen wealth — namely yours and mine.
Thanks to the second ammendment, it would be a bad idea to pull out weapons in malls and restaurants of most states. In concerts, games, and other gun-free zones — too bad. The police will show up to tag and bag you in the aftermath. Just like last night
How can they have been using guns? Aren’t guns outlawed in France?
You can be assured that their victims were unarmed. France is very progressive you know. And guess what? Next week, they’ll still be unarmed, just like the victims in coming attacks in NY, Boston, Chicago, London, Berlin. Get the trend?
It depends on what you mean.
But certainly ordinary concert-goers are not carrying a gun in France, and, in this case, unordinary concert-goers carry them even if it is illegal.
Kalashnikov is a nasty weapon in hands of a trained terrorist. ISIS delenda est.
Guns aren’t illegal in France, but some are. The others are controlled and restricted.
But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.
simple-touriaste says:
But carrying a gun is illegal for civilians.
Well, that pretty much defeats the purpose of protecting civilians from Islamist fanatics, no?
We should not waste any time or resources on the non existent catastrophe of manmade global warming. We should rather devote resources to dealing with the real catastrophe of global terrorism of which Paris is the latest disaster.
more info:
“French President Francois Hollande declared a state of emergency and in a televised address to the nation announced that he was closing the country’s borders ‘to make sure that those who have committed these crimes can be stopped.’ He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/13/dozens-killed-in-paris-terror-attacks?int=9b9e08
and
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/gun-attack-explosion-reported-in-paris/
bad, bad, bad
“‘… He also indicated that authorities knew who was responsible for the attacks.‘”
But we mustn’t upset their low-self-esteem brothers and sisters….. so we just won’t say who it is… .
Pretending Muslims are not the problem works every time…. .
Yeah look at Obummer’s take:
“This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share,”
The major problem is that Muslims don’t share any values with any other religion or social standard, so the statement is just “head in the sand” stupidity.
Border closings may be designed to stop the flow of immigrants. Trouble was inevitable with the present, unending stream of middle eastern refugees flowing into Western Europe. France might be viewed as a destination but also as a way-station on the road to U.K., Scandinavian countries, and the U.S.
An estimated 80% are not “refugees”, they just want what they think are better living conditions in Europe (until they find out what living in a “camp” is like). France thought they had a handle on the Muslim situation by refusing to recognize the cultural differences and attempting to force western social norms onto them thru law. However, Islam is the one religion/culture that resists being post-modern with the inevitable result in social friction. Merkel, along with the unelected European commission, appeared to play a large role in this by encouraging the entries. To any sane politician the backfire was predictable.
BFL.
Some Muslim immigrants, their kids and grandkids have assimilated in Western Europe and adopted 21st century standards, even with respect to women. The problem is that a large part even of the second and third generation have not done so and resist even trying.
A 7th century mentality armed with 20th and 21st century technology (thanks to the West) produces monsters.
Gloateus Maximus:
Agreed that many have assimilated and those, maybe, are fence riding Islamics who don’t take every word of the Koran as “Truth”. However, it would help their lot if they would voluntarily and voraciously verbally attack the radicals and overtly come to the aid of those injured. Haven’t seen that done, so I would have to reason that they are quietly in support of their brethren.
BFL,
In general, you’re correct. However this afternoon I heard a caller on Hannity named Mohamed set the record straight on what the Koran actually teaches. As a former student of the “Recitation”, he correctly stated that the Islamofascists are indeed simply following the literal words of that repulsive pack of lies.
Might have to hit up the Russians for the unconsciousness gas they used in the Moscow theater hostage taking. Maybe this time they’ll say what it is, so that doctors can save more gassed, hungry, thirsty hostages.
Possibly time to rethink admitting millions more Muslims into Europe, no matter how few babies the indigenous inhabitants are having. The 10th arrondissement is called “Little Turkey”.
Then the climate terrorists arrive.
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Obama’s legacy.. close Guantanamo, evacuate Iraq, run with tail under ahole, religion of peace.. just saw obuzzmo’s statement… he was clearly shook big time, maybe seeing the error of his was? ( probably not, just fearing the hit tonthe legacy).. the cost of American weakness and our fearless leader’s intransigent pigheadedness
My heart goes out to everyone in Paris and those with friends and family there.
Amen to that!
That is all what is needed today…
You just watch, Obama will spin this into a climate change cause.
Blame it on Big Oil?
yup.
Or the Koch brothers…(who are the Koch brothers anyway?)
[snip -over the top -mod]
It’ll be blamed on “skeptics”.
And Bush, of course.
Just in case Leo Smith (@3:44) was serious:
Here are links to the family – last name is pronounced “coke”
The father – Fred – chemical engineer and entrepreneur Link to Fred
Link to Industries
Link to foundations
The last one has a link to the political activities of the brothers.
And Tony Abbott
And Harper.
Mike Bromley the Kurd
You just watch, Obama will spin this into a climate change cause.
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Blaming it on a youtube video is more his speed.
Every story I’ve seen is still citing the Charlie Hebdo shootings, as if the violence is somehow justified or was triggered by a youtube video… er a tasteless magazine.
“This has nothing to do with climate change, religion, or politics. You keep thinking that people did this. You are wrong. It was guns. We need gun control. It has nothing to do with the person holding the trigger down.”
Sorry, foe the above, but that is the liberal mindset. Good luck to the French and I hope they get wake up to the enemy in their own country. Welcome to the religion of peace – Islam.
How did the Prophet spread Islam? Was it done peacefully or was it done through war? Why should the faithful not follow in the footsteps of the Prophet?
Weapon control in France:
In France, only police and military can carry weapons.
Hunting weapons are limited by the need to recharge. (No way a semiauto can be considered hunting weapon.)
Sport shooters can only carry weapon on the way from home to shooting range, in a box, and the way must be declared in advance. There is no such thing as a weapon carry permit.
Police officers not on duty can carry their weapon, but they may be limited to their administrative district (I think the rule changed recently).
Even WWII vehicles (jeeps, troop transports) have been declared military devices and cannot be owned by civilians, except by special permits (hard to get).
You can’t get much further in term of anti-gun laws in a country with a well established hunting tradition.
The fundamental failing of firearms laws in all European countries, even the most “liberal”, like Austria, is that guns are not recognized as a legitimate means of self-defense. The state allows its subjects to use only certain firearms for certain purposes (target-shooting, hunting, etc.) under certain conditions.
This is totally antithetical to the American tradition, which derives from the British Bill of Rights, in which men were allowed to carry the weapons befitting their status. In the US, all men are theoretically equal before the law, so everyone is in the militia and therefore has the right to keep and bear militia weapons. Since the militia exists to defend and keep order in the community, state and nation, the individual right of self-defense is subsumed under the national security and protection of freedom, liberty and the natural rights of Man and the specific rights of Englishmen, to include aristocrats.
A number of comments are already saying that CC is the culprit, ” If it was not because of droughts caused by CC these people would be farmers, doctors or lawyers instead of terrorists” ( I’ll stop banging my head against the wall soon)
They were saying before these atrocities that the west Asian and North African immigrants were “climate refugees”.
Disgusting.
Joe Bastardi checked the facts, and there was not any drought in the parts of Syria affected.
The press needs to get back to the business of fact-checking.
Wrtites Caleb:
Fact-checking – honest, real-world fact-checking – tends invariably to disprove the Narrative, and is therefore streng verboten in the legacy media.
A woman identified as a Canadian author who has lived in Paris for the Past forty years, was interviewed by the CBC this morning. She squarely blamed the war in Syria on climate change.
I recall a certain Foreign Secretary declaring that the Middle East countries needed regime change. I wonder if she had anything to do with the supply of weapons recovered from the Bengazi area of Libya being shipped to anti-Syrian ‘elements’.
The ‘climate’ changed, all right. Metal rain.
Thoughts are with those involved. But what if something like this happened in COP21 – there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!
I want to win fair and square based on the science and I certainly wouldn’t wish anything like this on those attending. I hope they cancel it.
Like I said above, COP21 IS the target.
If COP21 is the target, then they got really bad timing.
Funny Mike W–bad timing…ha ha ha ha…
Indeed Scottish Sceptic. Out thoughts and prayers go out to the unfortunate victims of this barbarity.
If they do not cancel, the attendance will be down. Who will want to take a chance? Very little will be accomplished in any case.
Nothing is ever accomplished at these things.
Its all done in small group meetings beforehand or during, then put to the cult followers.
COP21 is purely the publicity front.
Don’t mean to sound uncaring but maybe this is a crisis that COP21 will use to their advantage? Wasn’t it Rahm Emanuel who said, “Don’t waste a crisis?”
You just have to wonder about anything that takes place these days.
Have to agree Peter, it was my first thought also. It’s too contrived and it stinks of a false flag. I find it extremely difficult to believe middle eastern terrorists are in any way concerned by the IPCC or threats of carbon taxes. It just hasn’t been one of those platform items I’ve seen on a radical Muslim agenda before.
But it would be very wise I think to avoid guilt by association, and perhaps that is the real point. I hope the conference moves forward as planned without further incident, if it’s delayed it might well present an opportunity to escalate what’s been heated debate until now into something much much more sinister. I also hope the people responsible are apprehended and punished for what they’ve done and my thoughts and best wishes go to the victims and their families.
My suspicion is the evil actors behind this heinous attack are terrified that any real action to limit fossil fuel consumption will gore their precious cash cow; oil money is the carrot on ISIS’s stick.
Paul you need not build conspiracy out of thin air. Oil money ranks no more than the banks in which it is deposited in the list of suspects.
“COP21 –there are supposed to be over 100 world leaders attending. And surely this will be a prime target!”
Wow, what a chance to take out mass stupidity…..
My family and friends are all safe as far as i can ascertain. Live is ver precious. Cherish it.
Thank god good luck and best wishes to them
You thank a sky fairy for saving Steve’s family. If such a thing exists, why does it not prevent such atrocities from happening in the first place.
What is it about atheists and their desire to prove themselves to be total douches?
Dear Dackombe,
Re: “Why… .”
I would ask, rather, “Why did God intervene to keep the death toll as low as it was?” And I know the answer to that: God loves us. The same thing happened on 9/11/1: the percentage of empty seats on those large planes used by the Jihadists as weapons was, IIRC, an average of: 75% empty.
God allows free will, but, only lets the tide of ev1l go so far… . Sat@n, is allowed rampage through the earth, but God’s hand is always firmly on the reins.
Wisdom for us all in any terrible event such as the 11/13/15 Islamic Terror:
God is too wise to make a mistake.
God is too kind to do anything cruel.
God is too deep to explain Himself.
You can spit at God and say you hate Him because He allows free choice, thus, any ev1l at all, but you would be spitting in the wrong direction. The reason there is ev1l in the world is: us.
Easier to just pretend God doesn’t exist…. that all that you see around you, the stars, the oceans, the mountains, an eagle’s eyesight, just *poof* appeared at the wave of a “sky fairy’s” wand. 😉
Glad you piped up — you created a welcome opportunity for me to write the above.
Your ally for truth in science (and, maybe, your ally in an even more important matter…. someday…. hope so!),
Janice
Janice,
The 9/11 terrorists had few fellow passengers because al Qaeda had booked seats not used and/or selected flights they saw were not full, in order to minimize resistance.
It was not God but the al Qaeda planners who were responsible for the passenger numbers. As if that mattered when so many died in the Twin Towers. You really do your cult no favors with such sophisty on public display.
The credulity of fundamentalists never ceases to amaze, whether “Christian”, which your cult isn’t, or Muslim.
Well wishes to you and condolences to victims all in Paris.
Glad to hear that, Steve.
Stephan Richards! … Are you and yours okay?
(he lives in Paris)
I think “Thank God”, “Thank goodness”, etc are just expressions which are familiar to people expressing relief over something, and they don’t necessarily imply any supernatural being has had a hand in the outcome.
I have used such language myself from time to time, without ever having felt the need to rely on a non-existent imaginary creature which controls the number of seats sold on hhijacked planes, or allows 120 people to be killed before shoutng “OK, that’s enough for today”, etc
Not the Gore effect again.
Al Gore’s 24 hour climate change webcast is hosted at the Eiffel Tower.
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html
Yup – what an ass.
It’s getting worse!
Instead of snow, this time it’s mass murder, maiming and mayhem.
The epitome of the Gore effect!
But it is actually worse, with the current US government (Obama and Kerry, as well as misguided defense officials, and of course dear Al) stating over and over that Global Warming (I am unable to say Cl****e Ch***e) is the greatest and most immediate threat to world security. And that the real meaning of leadership is not to have influence in the Middle East, but rather lead the world fight against Global Warming in the Paris COP. This morning he told Stephanopolis (a liberal newsperson) that ISIS has been contained!
Oh, the irony.
“… and we have contained them…. [ISIS] has not gained ground in Iraq…” {B. Hussein, this morning)
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Nope. Just in Europe.
The “contained/decapitate” remark by the POTUS is a clue that he hasn’t got one. Quite a number of drug cartels have been “decapitated” and the flow of drugs into the US hasn’t even been “contained.” Taliban leader Mullah Omar was dead for 2 years before anyone knew the group didn’t have a head. Now they have 2 or 3.
The biggest problem facing America is Global Warming…. riiiiiiiggghhht.
Well we’ll soon see as these folk man up and declare the conference must go on in order to save mankind and these fundamentalists are just an isolated minority and not representative of the majority of peace loving Muslims everywhere. After all it could have happened in New York so not to overly worry but concentrate on the bigger picture of saving Gaia.
Must have been the videos (do I need a sarc).
They should probably reschedule it to take place in Reykjavik, Iceland, or maybe Greenland – probably no ISIS or ISIL members there – hopefully.
What a mess! Perhaps the world should focus on the real problems/threats to the globe/world. Too much emphasis on a non-problem = climate change/global warming.
I hear the North Pole is ice free these days, and a nice place to get a tan…
Love the idea. Global warming negotiations in Nuuk, with Hawaian t-shirt dress code and drinks with an umbrella served at the beach.
How many of the assault weapons found their way there through Iran?
With fond reflections on the triumph of Obama and Kerry, along with the naive whimps who bought into them.
And on TV news (so far), not one mention of “Muslims” or “Islam.” Huh. I just wonder who it might have been? Isis-friendly websites are celebrating, FWIW.
Poor widdo fellas, just that low self-esteem thing, huh?
Re: Muslim Self-esteem and NASA
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How’s that appeasement (via NASA) strategy workin’ out for ya, Barack “my Muslim faith” Hussein?
{Thank you, Eric Worrall for alerting us to this — I would not have turned on the news but for your e mail}
Meh. Probably just another “one-off.”
Janet Napolitano (B. Hussein’s former official)
(youtube)
Maybe those
Muslimunidentified young men in Paris watched an upsetting video … then got so mad they just had go kill some people….“What Difference Does It Make” video of Hilary “it was a video” Clinton
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If you want to know the truth about Clinton and Benghazi, listen to Robert Spencer. Spencer is the world’s greatest authority on the history of Islam.
Robert Spencer on Clinton:
The Muslim Golden Age never happened, it is a lie, they never invented anything. Everything was prior inventions by Romans, Greeks and Persians:
https://www.academia.edu/8749355/Islamic_Inventions_were_Roman_Greek_and_Persian
reminds me of Chekov from Star Trek when he talks about all the things Russia invented
https://youtu.be/IC6W8J0j8Co
Funny story about the character Chekov. He was added after the producers received a complaint from the Russian agency that in such a international crew, there was no Russian character.
So the producers added a Russian crewman, but made him the stereotypical Russian. During this time in history, the Russians had become famous for claiming credit for everything important.
This is bad. I hope all hostages are rescued.
Friends in Paris say that hostages are reportedly using cell phones to report they are being systematically shot.
Can’t verify. First reports are usually wrong, of course. I devoutly hope so.
I know that today’s terrorists don’t generally hang around – I guess they know they will be swarmed and likely taken down. What’s happening now is very bad and I know it’s foolish to hope for all. I just hope it all ends quickly and that there are survivors.
And, dare I say it, none of them have guns, so they just have to get on their knees and be slaughtered.
A gun-free zone of 2.2 million, except for the police.
Easy pickings for mass murdering savages.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/
Full-auto firearms are a big no-no for civilians in France, so I guess those select-fire AK-wielding terrs must be breaking the law, huh?
Appears not. The worst barbarity. The murderers might keep a few hostages in order to attempt a getaway.
-Confirmed death toll at 140 following a series of coordinated attacks around Paris on Friday evening. Approximately 100 of the victims were killed in Bataclan concert hall.
– President Hollande declares a state of emergency, closes French borders. President’s planned trip to G20 meeting in Turkey cancelled.
– Reuters confirms end of siege at Bataclan theatre where police have killed two attackers. More than 60 people were held hostage at the Eagles of Death Metal concert. The venue is very near the offices of Charlie Hebdo.
– Police source tells AP attackers at Bataclan “tossed explosives into the crowd” and describes “carnage” in theatre.
– Witness at Bataclan tells AFP that an attacker shouted “This is for Syria”.
– French police confirm three casualties following a bombing at Gate J of Stade de France football arena, north of Paris during a France-Germany friendly match.
– At least one gunman opened fire at Petit Cambodge restaurant in Paris’s 10th district, and nearby Le Carillon Bar.
– Attacks also reported at Les Halle’s and Belle Equipe bar, BBC says.
– Airports are expected to remain open, but travelers are advised to contact their carriers for details.
– President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)
The use of suicide bombers is a very bad sign for the future.
In his summary, Gloateus Maximus writes:
Not that they’d be able to see that “red line.”
Too much blood.
President Obama vows to do “whatever it takes” to bring terrorists to justice. (That should scare them! Another red line in the sand.)
You mean, another yellow line in the sand.
Hard to make that yellow line while bowing to the East.
Commentary from at least one interviewed “expert” on Australian Channel 9 news this morning states unequivocally that in the wake of these attacks, COP21 WILL be cancelled/deferred/rescheduled/whatever.
I can’t imagine it going on as planned.
woz comments:
Considering developments in climate conditions worldwide – and political developments pertinent to Obozo’s “Clean Power Plan” being emphatically rejected by the enraged American people (“Pound sand!” states the newly-elected governor of Kentucky in response to our Indonesian-in-Chief’s E.P.A.), this Islamic terrorist attack on Paris must be viewed as a veritable gift from Allah.
The fraudsters might well be happy to forego this opportunity for yet another exercise in luxurious indulgence at the taxpayers’ expense, given that it’s not only foredoomed to failure but puts them squarely in the gunsights of increasingly voluble “haters” in every nation of the Western world.
Then how do you explain the intolerance of atheists?
“Then how do you explain the intolerance of atheists?”
I think that you are mistaking their wry remarks about what they consider the defective logic of religion as “intolerance”. I would believe that they don’t try to convert (unlike some pushy religious types) and typically have a general logical disdain for comments thereof.
This attack was clearly planned months ahead (with an estimated 2 dozen operatives at 6 different sites). Today several of the attackers claimed retaliation for the attack and ISIS in Syria in the last few days. Is it possible this WAS planned for COP 21, but moved up because of the West’s recent move on ISIS? (and of course if they forced a delay in that event, they still won.)
The choice of venues attacked suggests to me that it was planned for today, but I guess they could have switched targets.
France has been involved in the anti-ISIS campaign for some time.
It was planned for today.
Friday 13th.
Black Friday. Black flag.
But don’t be surprised if there’s a follow-up on 11 November.
Scratch November 11. Watch next year
climate change isn’t something on the minds of this group. Trust me, it was going to occur with or without climate change.
I know I read at least a week or more back that France was on alert for attacks..looks like they goofed or missed the place n time
but yeah the climatecuckoo meeting would have been a ripper time n place global participants Max value for terror
they have a “problem” as does UK with huge areas with almost all mideast residents
as does Sweden
and all the rapes in sweden germany etc are very very carefully NOT mentioning the nationality/cult of the offenders
not talking about it..does NOT make it go away
Leaders need to start rounding them up and shipping them back home, at gunpoint if necessary.
They all are not radicals, but all it takes is one; it is not worth it to risk the safety of my children for the sake of multiculturalism and the liberal view that we can all get along. Diversity plus proximity equals war. Always has, always will.
“Diversity plus proximity equals war.”
The funny thing is when we are told, all the time, that arbitrary straight-lines frontiers made by colonialists powers (countries of the “North”) in Africa made absurd states with ethnically and religiously diverse people that are thus not viable, and the same PC commentators tell us that the countries of the “North” must accept refugees or “migrants” or immigrants from these very intolerant and racist “South” populations, and all will be good, and if not, it’s because of racism by white people – when racism is the (implicit) excuse given for the instability in “arbitrarily delimited” African countries.
These PC leftist commentators are simply RACISTS. These “experts” or “intellectuals” accept, excuse and justify racism from people of some continent, and they excuse religious intolerance.
This hypocrisy is not for reasons for economic dependency or need of oil, unlike the politically practical hypocrisy in the ME. This is pure dogma of “inferior races” (or something, we aren’t supposed to say “race” like the left of the last century did). Of course the “intellectuals” don’t explicitly think “inferior race”, they just expect less from these people in term of respect of human rights. This is even more true about (alleged) “Palestinians”.
Wonder how that “religion of peace” meme is working out …
I’m fairly certain that there are plenty of eunuch politicians still around who’ll keep spouting this nonsense.
Leon you are close but, it is a religion of piece. They are after a bigger piece, and they could care less of peace.
Religion of Pieces, as in blown into.
Mohamed began his life as a prophet of peace and ended his life as a murderous General. That other guy, the one that is at the root of western peace, started and end his life as a proponent of peace.
An ant or two in the house is not a cause for major concern, but when they come in by the tens or hundreds, it becomes no holds barred.
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It was a sarcastic comment – but yes, I left the /sarc marker off.
Perhaps they can change the climate conference agenda from an imaginary global warming threat to the very real danger of radical Islamists?
I doubt the target was COP21 or they would have waited. But it is a sad thing for the City of Lights and all of France. Best wishes to my French friends.
I would think they must have to rethink COP21 or quadruple security. A lot of heads of state must be reconsidering. But then, if in fact, Climate Change IS the biggest threat to world security – how can they not attend?
Into the valley of death rode the 40,000 …
http://www.nationalcenter.org/ChargeoftheLightBrigade.html
It is a sad day.
Anthony and Eric,
Of course our hearts are breaking for the victims. Terrible things happen when good men fail to act.
Good men have been bullied by the likes of Paul Ehrlich to shut up in the face of an all out assault on our civilization.
This has happened in Paris because we..(me included) have failed to be convincing enough to force politicians to set aside the CAGW trivialities in the face of mass murder.
I fear the end is near and it is my fault for failing those who depend our cooler minds.
The world is now as Obama and his leftist activists desires it to be. Chaos.
But they didn’t count on us Skeptics ,now we really are a movement.
I’ve been counting out in the streets for a long time, and so far Greens outnumber Skeptics there 124,347 to 0. That’s not a movement; that’s a wringing of hands.
Most skeptics have jobs, which makes it hard for them to spend most of their time in the streets.
Just a rehearsal for the big event?
OMG please not.
It’s gonna happen, you know. Iran is being given hudreds of $billions. They don’t even have to build a bomb, with that kind of money they can buy some.
Islam delenda est, folks.
Might want to follow up with this one, also complete with survival methods, assuming that you are able and want to…..
The Day After Midnight: The Effects of Nuclear War
http://www.amazon.com/The-Day-After-Midnight-Effects/dp/0917352114
Yeah. It is coming and I cannot rely on my brothers for help. They are too busy undermining me and the fabric of society, by way of sloth, intellectual laziness, self serving egoism, and moral depravity.
I’m not sure COP21 would be a target. I’d have thought these terrorists would want to see the western world brought down – which is what the world’s leaders are hoping to achieve with their meeting in Paris. However, so many Heads of State would be tempting, so it would be better to reschedule or – better still – cancel.
and I expect this to upset a few
but PC to hell!
if they had to take out a few
then the warmist gabfest as a target would have at least served some good.
whereas now its mainly young kids who werent harming the worlds smooth running(ok not smooth but normal)
as opposed to those who will, given power they are pushing for, cause far more deaths n misery over the long term.
Agreed. I also think it’s time for PC to be scrapped. Look where it’s got us.
The news so far from Paris is appalling. As the attack is still in progress, I fear more casualties are to come. My heart goes out to those caught up in this attack, and for the too many families and friends of those killed.
The key concern now for France will be to end the attack with as few casualties and as quickly as possible. The conference is trivial in comparison to tonight’s events.
That said, the cancellation of the conference would be portrayed by the terrorists as a major victory. I do not want them gain even a centime from their actions, let alone the substantial propaganda coup of cancelation. Nor, I expect, would France.
What when Obama says the COP21 will be a tribute to those that died
Obama Spinning his political Grandstanding in with this appalling atrocity