Pierre Gosselin (and commenter Bill_W) tips us to this:
Die kalte Sonne website here has just posted the video presentation of Murry Salby in Hamburg in April. If anyone ever demolished the dubious CO2 AGW science, it’s Salby!
Most of the presentation is very mathematical and technical. But the last 10 minutes sums everything up very nicely for the laypersons.
Watch the divergence:
Go Murry!
Selected slides from and summary of presentation:
Climate scientist Dr. Murry Salby explains why man-made CO2 does not drive climate change
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/06/climate-scientist-dr-murry-salby.html
Ever since I read about him and saw his video last year, I’ve been waiting to hear more from him. Thanks hockeyschtick and WUWT for posting this…
Couldn’t have put it better myself 🙂
This important talk sadly appears poorly attended.
Thank God (not Gore) for the Internet.
“If it disagrees with observation, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it!”
‘Nough said.
@ur momisugly milodonharlani: Given how well attended WUWT and other internet forums are, I would say the attendance in the room during the lecture is pretty insignificant.
Dr Murray is always very compelling. You almost expect him to turn to the alarmists and say: “Go ahead, punks, make my day!” The last 10 mins are so are killer.
Oops – Dr Salby, I should have said, of course.
A Man of science without a doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=G8L3skoSLIA
Strong words of wisdom.
“If the model’s predictions disagree with actual observations, then the model is wrong.”
It could not be put simpler than that.
Just a little something the IPCC modellers refuse to acknowledge.
Great speaker, and impressive finale.
Its useful to remember that the first rule of climate ‘science’ is that when the models and reality differ in value its reality which is in error .
Once you can get your head around such ‘1984 logic’ it becomes much easer to understand why climate ‘scientists’ talk the way they do.
Dr Judith Curry had an article about Dr Salby a year or two ago about his then upcomming paper. Was it ever accepted and published?
Brilliant.
Dr. Salby appears possess a nice thick sharpened stake. Anyone know of a media hammer heavy enough to drive it home?
Dr. Murry Salby has it right.
Planetary temperature controls CO2 levels – not humans.
@David, UK says:
June 10, 2013 at 10:47 am
I guess it’s remarkable that anyone showed up in a country in which officials speak seriously of revoking the right to free speech for skeptics. A country I might add with a dire history of such suppression with extreme prejudice, so to speak, 1933-45.
“If the model’s predictions disagree with actual observations, then the model is wrong.”
Agreed. Why is he comparing observations to CO2 then?
Two points of criticism relating to the last 10 minutes (which is all I watched).
1) The chart shown at 1:03:00 comparing CO2 increases and temperature anomalies only shows a large divergence because different scales are used.
2) The chart shown at 1:04:20 comparing observed CO2 increases vs. “Native Emission” (the increase expected from the integral of temperature) isn’t long enough, and doesn’t have enough variability to conclude that the two are identical.
I try to apply the same level of skepticism to all arguments I encounter… regardless of whether or not I agree with the conclusion.
It’s an impressive talk.
From 2011, the following criticism (last para) from another climate scientist (together with much gloating from other commenters):
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/08/unforced-variations-aug-2011/comment-page-2/#comment-212401
This criticism now looks to me invalid because it doesn’t take account of the residence time of CO2, as Salby does.
Other criticisms:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/co2_measurements.html#The_mass_balance
I don’t know if this is any better founded.
milodonharlani says:
June 10, 2013 at 12:03 pm
“@David, UK says:
June 10, 2013 at 10:47 am
I guess it’s remarkable that anyone showed up in a country in which officials speak seriously of revoking the right to free speech for skeptics. A country I might add with a dire history of such suppression with extreme prejudice, so to speak, 1933-45.”
Hamburg is the warmist capitol of Germany. I worked there for two years and haven’t met anyone who doubted the warmist dogma; this was after COP 15 / climategate. It is also home to a strictly hard left public broadcaster, the NDR, and to the hard left agitprop front Der Spiegel.
Excellent presentation with the relationships clearly set down both for short and long timescales. I have referred others to it for their edification.
“If the oceans warm for any reason they will release CO2 into the atmosphere because water holds less CO2 at higher temperatures.”
From here:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1041&linkbox=true&position=2
Global Warming and Cooling – The Reality by Stephen Wilde
Wednesday, May 7th 2008, 10:39 AM EDT
Strange that we have had to wait so long for someone in authority to confirm the obvious.