Doha Conference: United States Must Pay for Climate Change “Loss and Damage”

Guest post by Steve Goreham

Originally published in The Washington Times

The United States must pay for its evil carbon-emitting ways. According to the United Nations Doha Climate Conference that ended on December 8, developing nations should be compensated for “associated loss and damage” from climate change by the wealthy nations. Developing nations will now pursue industrialized nations for compensation from sea level rise, extreme weather, and other events allegedly caused by past emissions of greenhouse gases. Since the US was the world’s leading emitter of greenhouse gases until 2007 when China assumed the lead, the US is the primary target of this conclusion.

At the 2010 Cancun Conference, delegates acknowledged that industrialized nations were responsible for global warming, stating “…the largest share of historical global emissions of greenhouse gases originated in developed countries…” The just concluded Doha Conference called for establishment of “institutional arrangements, such as an international mechanism” to “address loss and damage associated with the impacts of climate change in developing countries.” In other words, let’s form an international body to pursue money from nations responsible for historical global emissions of greenhouse gases, namely the US and other industrialized nations. Compensation could amount to hundreds of billions of dollars per year.

Why would US delegates agree to such a position? Unfortunately, our current administration accepts the doctrine of Climatism, the belief that man-made greenhouse gases are destroying Earth’s climate. As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in 2009, “We acknowledge—now with President Obama—that we have made mistakes in the United States, and we along with other developed countries have contributed most significantly to the problem we face with climate change.”

A major voice at the conference in favor of associated loss and damage was the Alliance of Small Island States (AOSIS). AOSIS consists of 43 members, including the Bahamas, Cuba, Fiji, Maldives, Mauritius, and the Seychelles. These countries are rightly concerned about the threat that rising sea levels pose to their homelands. AOSIS members seek to sue in the International Court of Justice for damages from US-made climate change.

But is the rise of the oceans man-made or natural? Geological data shows that sea levels have risen about 390 feet as Earth has warmed from the last ice age 20,000 years ago. No one can tell how much, if any, of the 7‒8 inch rise over the last hundred years is man-made. Nor is there any empirical evidence that sea level change will accelerate to 20 feet per century as predicted by some climate doomsayers.

Those concerned about the climate also claim that weather events such as Hurricane Sandy and Typhoon Bopha, that hit the Philippines last week, were strengthened by man-made warming. But empirical evidence shows that, on a global basis, neither the strength nor the frequency of hurricanes and tropical storms has increased over the last 35 years.

The theory of man-made global warming is increasingly suspect. The 1990 First Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted a rise in global surface temperatures of 0.3oC per decade. The report provided a “high estimate,” a “best estimate,” and a “low estimate” for global temperature rise. But 22 years later, global temperatures sit far below the IPCC’s 1990 low estimate. Recent data from the University of East Anglia do not show statistically significant warming in global surface temperatures for the last sixteen years.

Nevertheless, with the full support of the US government, your tax dollars are now in play to compensate developing nations for sea level rise, typhoon damage, droughts and floods. It’s all part of this mad, mad, mad world.

Steve Goreham is Executive Director of the Climate Science Coalition of America and author of the new book The Mad, Mad, Mad World of Climatism: Mankind and Climate Change Mania.

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75 thoughts on “Doha Conference: United States Must Pay for Climate Change “Loss and Damage”

  1. I agree. Those who fall for the global warming hoax should personally pay for the damages resulting from the perverse government policies enacted in response to this nonexistent problem.

  2. If this is a zero-sum game, first require the beneficiaries of manmade global warming to pay their ill-gotten gains to the losers. Then turn to the alleged perpetrators.

  3. Well, the United States is in the clear as we are not a “wealthy nation”. We are completely bankrupt and getting worse by the minute.

  4. It is not “Climate Change”, It is not “Climate Disruption”. It is not “Extreme Weather”
    It is “Climate Extortion” based on false premises. Why should anyone with a clear mind buy into that??
    Incomprehensible!

  5. Not being an American I may be wrong, but I thought that the US House of Representatives control the purse strings and that even pres. Obama cannot alone or with the help of the Senate provide these payments even if they wanted. As long as the USA do not sign up to any treaties there should not be a problem. As I understand it such treaties would also have to pass the House of Representatives. Fat chance that would happen. I think the USA is safe just now. Not so with European Union countries. We will be the main providers of funds from empty coffers. We have most of the Worlds foolish politicians.

  6. When are all nations going to demonstrate their sincere belief in rising sea levels by reprinting books, replacing signs, and altering web pages to show altitudes for their mountains and monuments based on the “new” sea levels?

  7. Doha delegates claim that weather events such as Hurricane Sandy and Typhoon Bopha, that hit the Philippines last week, were strengthened by man-made warming. But empirical evidence shows that, on a global basis, neither the strength nor the frequency of hurricanes and tropical storms has increased over the last 35 years.

    Ah, so the CO2 we emitted has resulted in less severe weather. Therefore, the developing countries must compensate the U.S.

  8. So, um, they are going to pay us when there is not a flood or drought or acceleration of sea level rise, right? I mean, if it is our fault when climate goes wrong, we must also be responsible whenever there . As soon as they pay us for the past 236 years and counting when the weather has been fairly good, we will pay them as soon as thermogeddon hits.

  9. Anyway, Dr Roy Spencer has now published the November UAH global temperature at +0.28 deg. C. A slight downwards movement compared with October. This presents a further disconnect from CO2 emissions.

  10. Would all those who preach catastrophism caused by man-made global warming please 1) turn off your power supply immediately, 2) stop flying around the world to yet another UN talkfest, 3) hand in the keys to your car, 4) surrender your phone, and 5) walk slowly into the hills to set up your own self-sustaining commune.

  11. John Peter says:

    “Not being an American I may be wrong, but I thought that the US House of Representatives control the purse strings and that even pres. Obama cannot alone or with the help of the Senate provide these payments even if they wanted.”

    That’s what the Constitution says. But they give our money away anyway, witness Obama’s gift last year of a hundred-odd million dollars to the Palestinians, whoever they presumably are. There is no country of Palestine, and certainly anyone can claim to be “Palestinian”. No matter, we know that money went right into the pockets of the same kind of people who flew commercial airliners into our civilian buildings. They hate us and demand our money. Disgusting that Obama gives them a cent.

    [BTW, it is the Senate that must ratify treaties. The House originates spending bills. Supposedly.]

  12. John Peter says:
    December 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    Not being an American I may be wrong, but I thought that the US House of Representatives control the purse strings and that even pres. Obama cannot alone or with the help of the Senate provide these payments even if they wanted. As long as the USA do not sign up to any treaties there should not be a problem. As I understand it such treaties would also have to pass the House of Representatives. Fat chance that would happen. I think the USA is safe just now. Not so with European Union countries. We will be the main providers of funds from empty coffers. We have most of the Worlds foolish politicians.
    =======================================================================
    Yes and no.
    All spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The House of Representatives were originally the one the people themselves voted for. They would be the ones paying for whatever.
    The Senate was originally to represent the State governments. It was up to the states themselves how their senator was selected. Some were selected by a vote of the state’s legislature, not the citizens themselves. That has changed.
    Because each state government would have to comply with an international treaty, originally and still, treaties only need be ratified by the Senate.
    In other words, the Senate can ratify a treaty that includes a provision saying the US owes the UN money but the House must approve the the payment.
    The House itself has no say in ratifiying the treaty itself.

  13. John Peter,

    It would take 66 senators to vote for ratification. Right now, I don’t think the votes are there. However, Obama jas shown that je is not above ignoring Congress, so nothing is certain. Presidents in the past have also used the State Dept. and other methods to give out money against Congress’ wishes, Clinton with the bailout of foreign bond markets and Reagan with Iran-Contra to give two examples. Neither of those instancez came anywhere close to the amounts stated in the article, bit with a sociaist like Obama in office, nothing is safe.

  14. You in the US of A have nothing to worry about. You have sagely not signed up to the Kyoto Protocol. However, Australia, my country has!!! I just can’t believe how stupid our toilet bowl brained politicians are. The Australian Labor Party led by Julia “The Witch” Gillard & Kevin “Krudd” Rudd are responsible. Lest we forget.

  15. Presumably these supposed victims will be required to demonstrate in court that their loss or damage is in fact real, and that there is solid, scientifically demonstrable evidence that it was directly caused by CO2 emissions by the defendants.

    That could be interesting.

    The lawyers should do OK though!

  16. The US can’t even pay for its own way, never mind the shakedown scam the left are trying to get away with.

  17. Robber says:
    December 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Would all those who preach catastrophism caused by man-made global warming please 1) turn off your power supply immediately, 2) stop flying around the world to yet another UN talkfest, 3) hand in the keys to your car, 4) surrender your phone, and 5) walk slowly into the hills to set up your own self-sustaining commune.

    *

    Best suggestion I’ve heard so far. Why don’t we insist on it? Al Gore should lead the way and give up his mega-home. Oh, to heck with it. Let every one of them put his/her money where their mouth is. They can set up camp under the those windmills they’re so fond of, maybe roast chopped birds over the solar panels, or at least eat the thistles growning round and over said solar panels. They shouldn’t let those dead birds go to waste though, they could pluck the feathers and stuff their coats to keep warm, but no, I suppose that’s not the Greenie way. How many clothes would they we left with? Is Winter a good time to start? You know, I think Winter would be a perfect time to start.

    Any Greenie we meet who spouts the “we must sacrifice” line, we should ask them if they have sacrificed and what they have sacrificed and tell ‘em straight – If they haven’t spent Winter out in the open under those windmills without electricity, without so much as an open fire, they’re not Green at all and have no right to preach to others. We have to start sending them on their way.

  18. Steve-I was reading a UNESCO document from the early 70s recently that laid out the scheme for payments like these from the developed world to the developing not as part of any climate remuneration but just straight international aid. It was based on closing the gap between the developed and developing world. CAGW began as an argument that such aid and changes in Western lifestyles was necessary. Probably because the original excuses failed to work.

    A Soviet spokesperson (early 70s, remember?) piped up with a refusal for any of the socialist countries to have to contribute because they had never been imperial powers. And the aid was really reparations for colonial exploitation.

    And the countries who refused to contribute in the early 70s are mostly the same countries who have refused to impose emissions limitations now.

    Just more proof of the CAGW scam.

    Also the 70s report was just looking for an excuse to plan Western economies.

    I do believe the creative Statists found one. Or two if we now count Biodiversity as a compelling reason for controlling everything that moves.

  19. There is a fine line which divides redistributive and retributive change.

    It is dissociation of risk which causes corruption. It is dreams of instant gratification which motivates its progress.

  20. I suggest that everyone write their representative expressing their views on this situation. We cannot allow congress to transfer wealth for any reason to third world countries that will only use it to increase the positon of the current regeme in that country. None of these funds will benefit the population, and none will every be used to mitigate what damage climate change might have done to thier population.

  21. Since the US was the world’s leading emitter of greenhouse gases until 2007 when China assumed the lead, the US is the primary target of this conclusion….

    Nonsense!

    There are two reasons to target the US:

    1 – it’s got a lot of money
    2 – the UN have found that they can get it from the US quite easily.

    Change any one of those things, and you will magically find that the US is no longer targeted. I see that, with your Fiscal Cliff, you are well on the way to changing the first of these..

  22. John Peter says:
    “Not being an American I may be wrong, but I thought that the US House of Representatives control the purse strings and that even pres. Obama cannot alone or with the help of the Senate provide these payments even if they wanted.”

    So you would think. However, the recent U.S. budget has been subject to feats of legerdemain and prestidigitation unmatched in U.S. history. An actual budget has not been passed by both houses of Congress in three years. The last one passed included an additional, whopping $800 billion ($800,000,000,000) supposedly one-time stimulus. Because a new budget has not been passed and because the government has been operating under “continuing resolutions”, that $800 billion has become part of the baseline budget and is renewed every year. There is a lot you can do with an extra $800 billion.

    As an extra note, the President is supposed to propose a new budget t be acted upon by Congress every year. The last one proposed by Obama was so laughable, it was rejected by a unanimous 99-0 vote in the Senate. Not even one member of Obama’s own party voted for it.

  23. “…delegates acknowledged that industrialized nations were responsible for global warming…”
    ————————————————
    ac·knowl·edge
    /akˈnälij/
    Verb
    Accept or admit the existence or truth of. (of a body of opinion) Recognize the fact or importance or quality of. Synonyms: admit – recognize – confess – avow – concede – grant

    Bwaaaa haaaa haaaa!!!!!

  24. @Snake Oil Baron
    “When are all nations going to demonstrate their sincere belief in rising sea levels by reprinting books, replacing signs, and altering web pages to show altitudes for their mountains and monuments based on the “new” sea levels?”
    Already happening.
    Here in Queensland Oz (with a government that mostly regards all this stuff as bunk) we now have an interim State Planning Policy that has 0.8m SLR and more extreme weather “at 2100″.
    Now maybe the “at 2100″ is being deliberately vague, eg a wait and see measure? It won’t necessarily be interpreted that way of course.
    At least they haven’t started messing with the signs. Engineers need those to calculate wind speeds above about 150km/hr. Anemometers won’t do the job.

  25. Oh, okay, they can plug into those solar panels or windmills if they really want to (they might learn something about solar panels and windmills – especially if they have to brush the snow off them every day).

    Also, apologies for typos “What clothes would they BE left with?” was what I meant.

    By the way, I’m no Right Wing anything either. In fact, I’m not “into” politics at all. I don’t like the subject. I’m here because a bunch of Greenie-Alarmist-Idiots keep insisting Humans are Bad and should be Punished and we all ought to lay down and DIE for the sake of Gaia. And I’m supposed to be the extremist???

  26. What is fair is fair. We in the United States and England should be compensated for the increased life spans, better healthcare, and technology that we brought forth through the industrial revolution.

    Otherwise you would mostly still be eating food cooked on dung fires and dying at 35.

  27. This is good news. Any claim of extreme weather of one country against another would require proof that such an event was actually caused by CO2, of which there is none. That would open the floodgates disproving AGW.

  28. I think we should sue Egypt and Russia for repairs of the US during the worst hurricane seasons from 1996 to present. They finished the Aswad Dam in 1997, which stopped cooling fresh water to the Med Sea, which increase the flow of the hotter waters of the Med into the Atlantic and causing the worst chain of hurricanes known in the History of the United States to this day.

  29. I hope the USA is not missing a trick here. As we are now entering into a planetary cooling phase (slightly exacerbated by cooling GHGs which radiate lots of energy into space and without which the planet would be much warmer) surely the developing nations including certain island states should be paying off the USAs national debt?

    Maybe Obama isn’t as stupid as he sounds? Maybe he has got this all planned and the whole Climate Change scam is in fact a sting operation?

  30. Currently here in the US, 1% of the people pay 40% of the taxes, while 2% pay 60%. At that rate, it should require just 3% to pay 80% and 4% to pay 100%. That means the rest of the population, or 96% of us, should be working tax free!

    No?

    Makes far more sense than what the UN proposes.

  31. I think ‘we’ should compensate ‘them’ but as part of the deal ‘they’ will need to give back all all the products that ‘they’ have been benefiting from ‘us’ from say the past 150 years. After all if ‘they’ didn’t then in all fairness ‘they’ would be just as much to blame as consumers as ‘we’ the producers.

    This would include all transport, cars, ships aeroplanes etc and all the fuels and lubricants ‘they’ have ever used. All building materials, concrete, steel, gyproc, glass, wiring etc…
    All man made clothing and household products including electical and electronic devices, cleaning products and utilities technology sourced from ‘us’…
    All food, food preparation equipment and transportation costs of such food (including costs of refrigeration).
    All pharmaceuticals, medical equipment and compensation for medical training undertaken with ‘us’…
    Then there’s the compensation for protection from domination by foreign powers ( ie Japan and Germany during WW2 and later China and Russian expansionism during the Cold War).

    There are probably many other things that ‘they’ have benefitted from as consumers and in some cases producers, such as free markets, access to global finance, entertainment and education that ‘they’ would have to compensate ‘us’ for but I’m sure ‘we’ could factor all of that in some how.

    I’m also sure that ‘we’ could work out a way that ‘they’ could compensate ‘us’ for any artefacts that they could not hand back and all the oil, gas, coal, and chemicals that ‘they’ sourced from ‘us’ over that time.

    Once all that’s done ‘we’ and ‘they’ would be balanced in terms of carbon blame and we could then work out any future issues from there…

  32. It’s kind of ironic that in order for the US to pay this extortion they would have to borrow the funds from China!

  33. Steve Goreham posted in part, 12/12/12:
    “Recent data from the University of East Anglia do not show statistically
    significant warming in global surface temperatures for the last sixteen years”

    The graph in the article linked shortly afterwards begins with a century-class
    El Nino spike.

    To see the picture better, have a look at smoothed HadCRUT3, which is
    the blue curve in the 1st graph at:

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/

    It looks to me more like essentially no warming in the 11 years since 2011.

  34. I’m with A.D. Everard on this one, I did not set out to destroy, steal and bind anyone. But these UN, Useless Nut-jobs did and now they are fully exposed.
    North Korea is in the news and the lifestyle of the average citizen of North Korea is what these bandits would have wished on us.
    I propose we cut a deal with Dear Leader, we trade.
    North Korea gets the green weenies from our countries, we take all the North Koreans that want out and we will throw in some more shiny weapons as long as Dear Leader gives these people what they have been insisting we must accept.
    Now thats what I call a WIN WIN..The greens get what they claim they want. The North Koreans get out if they want.
    Of course when the hysteria claiming warming stops, the claimants(topic of post) will have to pay the USA for enriching the atmosphere with plant food benefiting agricultural the most.

  35. The US has a clever plan. Now into its second term, the idea is to drive the country so hopelessly into debt that it will be borrowing from Bangladesh. Hard to pay back when your lending nations are the Maldives, China and Greece.

  36. Donald L. Klipstein says:
    December 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    It looks to me more like essentially no warming in the 11 years since 2011.

    See my post at the following that shows the longest time when the slope is 0 on several data sets:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/12/uah-global-temperature-down-slightly-for-november-2012/#comment-1171492

    Then there is also the time when the warming is NOT significant at the 95% level. For Hadcrut4, that is since 1995 as shown below.

    Taking the Hadcrut4 dataset, here are the trend values in degrees C/decade over five closely-related time periods.
    1995-2012 +0.109 +/- 0.129
    1996-2012 +0.107 +/- 0.129
    1997-2012 +0.058 +/- 0.142
    1998-2012 +0.052 +/- 0.153
    1999-2012 +0.095 +/- 0.162
    You can also sort of tell this from the site you mentioned. Note that the top of the grey error bar for 1995 is above the bottom of the grey error bar for 2012.

  37. I have a feeling that with cash on the line, there is going to be some real climate science research taking place in the US and Europe and valuation of the benefits of the miniscule warming and the CO2, and about time, too.

  38. Steve from Rockwood says:

    “The US has a clever plan. Now into its second term, the idea is to drive the country so hopelessly into debt that it will be borrowing from Bangladesh. Hard to pay back when your lending nations are the Maldives, China and Greece.”

    Doha is just a distraction. Obama intends to make the U.S. a subservient country subject to a vote of the 196 countries in the UN. How will they vote? Doha makes it clear that they will vote America’s wealth into their pockets, based on any fabricated pretext.

    We have passed the point of no return. From now on it is only a mopping up operation. America has been sold out, and it will get worse, and worse, until it is ruled by a totalitarian dictatorship.

    The following is an excerpt from American Digest, and only the most naive optimist would dispute this analysis:

    And just in case you don’t think they’re making lists….

    They’ve already had the GooHooBingBook hipsters set them up with a data mining operation. Once it’s up and running, it doesn’t take much to re-purpose. They have lots of money left over. Now they are trying to get their supporters to call up other targeted people and put pressure on the Republican Congresscritters. And so it begins.

    Which means they have a list of their reliable people, their potential supporters, and a list of Others. Data mining merges their own data with anything found on the Web. Now that they aren’t running a campaign but they still have a war chest, they can grab or buy surreptitiously anything out there, and “there’s no controlling legal authority”. And Google will be glad to help, Eric Schmidt will personally see to it, he’ll sell them the rope.

    And when these unemployed hipsters with massive college debt call you up, and you start cussing at the mention of the Usurper and being “uncooperative”, well, then you go on the “Other” list. And they data mine you and find out everything about you, and how you can be hurt.

    They’ll keep track of how often you help them. The compliant ones, who respond to their pleas, will soon start getting bennies. And who the heck is paying for all this? Shoot, no one had the courage to sue them when they were laundering millions in illegal foreign money during both elections. The Courts and the constitutional lawyers mewled that “nobody has standing to sue”. Now that they are beyond the reach of election law, the money just magically appears. None dare call it treason.

    Like a pusher or a pimp, they’ll next try to get you to graduate to the “hard stuff”: direct action. Please, they’ll say, we really need your help, show up at this time and place to help the Usurper. They’ll loan you a t-shirt to wear (and ask you to buy it). The leaders will have special shirts, and campaign-style buttons, and perhaps cute little hats. And you’ll go where you’re told, and do what you’re asked to. They’ll bus you there and give you a stipend. You’re One of Them now.

    And if you keep answering their call, you go higher on the “One of Us” list, and qualify for more bennies. Free phones, debt forgiveness, extra ration cards. Chevy Volts at an unheard of discount.

    Watch for it.

    The turning point is when the purple T-shirts disappear, and it becomes button-down shirts with epaulets. Uniforms. Insignia. The hats aren’t so cute anymore. You’ll be part of the team now, the core of the Usurper’s civilian national security force. And you’ll go where you’re told, and you’ll do what you’re told, because the bennies keep coming, and you’re in for a penny, in for a pound.

    And the people you’re contesting against? Well, they’re the Other, they’re just wrong, they’re the 1% that’s keeping you down and pissing on you all the time. And now it’s your turn, your time to rise. Time for revenge, to punch back twice as hard. And when some of your folks start feeling queasy about the hurt you’re putting on all those Others, somebody with hard dead eyes will say “You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.”

    You won’t have to worry about the police. They’ll be on your side. Their loyalty is to their union and police brothers, not our Constitution. They’ll look the other way, and slow-walk complaints. Unless you’re on the “Other” list, in which case they’ll come on like a ton of bricks. They’ll be told who’s on which list, and they’ll do what they’re told. LAPD has shown us the truth of it.

    When a sitting President encourages people to vote for revenge, that is a declaration of civil war! Statements like that should not be made, because they take on a life of their own. We the People granted limited powers to our governments to secure some of our Rights, and the Blessings of Liberty for everyone. The Usurper intends to use those powers for revenge of one faction upon another. No rational, moral, civilized, peaceful person would say such a thing. Ever.

    The Usurper and his minions have told you all this. He decides how much money you’re allowed to make. You don’t own what you create. If need be they’ll send you to re-education camps. We need a personally-loyal civilian army. Why don’t you believe him? Do you believe that he can’t possibly want civil war? Of course he doesn’t, he wants to so demoralize you, and make you think you are alone, that you won’t stand your ground, but give up and give in to the inevitable. But he will not shy from a civil war. He intends to push you to the limit, that you will start it, and he will then crush you before you have time to organize an effective opposition.

    Right now the Usurper doesn’t give a crap about fiscal cliffs. He doesn’t care what any of that will do to the country. His three objectives are to demoralize and destroy the conservative opposition, co-opt and corrupt the Republicans (so easy!), and then break free of the Constitution.

    It seems like a dream, a mirage of unbreakable normality.

    Like the spring of 1914 or 1939, like the crisp fall morning eleven years ago. Like our exceptional, beautiful country, the rarest gem in all of history, is so big and strong, nothing can happen to it, everything will go on peacefully as before, we are still the shining city on the hill, and our best days are before us. Every day we make plans for next year and the years after, and can’t possibly imagine or consider that any set of events will break our idyll of peace and turn all our plans to dust. I fly across the country, and see the vast strength of it and Our People, and think my fears are childish and foolish vapors. And then I remember that all civilizations crumble.

    We must make new plans. We must be prepared. We must resist the Usurper and his minions. Now and every day. They have lost their faith in God, and seek to secure their lives by taking ours.

    We must remain true to the faiths of our fathers and mothers. The United States of America, the new nation that put its Trust in God, that brought the Blessings of Liberty to the world, must not perish. Today is not that day.

    Tolkein is my guide.

    Frodo: “I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.”

    Gandalf: “So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

    Lincoln is my guide:

    “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right”

    John A. Fleming, at americandigest.org

  39. Canada simply takes the funds from current foreign aid and will re-label it (at no extra cost to her tax payers).

    By the way, I notice that Doug Cotton managed to slip in some Sky Dragon into this thread.

    [The moderator must have been asleep. Comment deleted. ~mod.]

  40. Lincoln is my guide:

    “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right”

    John A. Fleming, at americandigest.org

    I’m sure the 911 hijackers went by Lincoln’s guide too. Sorry, “god” is too subjective. Everyone thinks “god” is on their side. Tolkien makes infinitely more sense.

  41. Not so funny isn’t it, Obama et al have now created a whole new anti-USA group who believe that the USA has destroyed the climate; the USA needs this like a hole in the head. Talk about collateral damage … its worse than we thought !

  42. Dear UN Doha Climate Conferees,
    You’re welcome for the fertilizer. Consider it our gift to the developing nations.

  43. I’m not sure, but when the conference went into overtime, there were many promises made just to escape the charade.

    That’s the way I heard it ?

    Nothing of consequence agreed to.
    Am I wrong, let me know!

  44. Jeff Alberts says:
    December 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm
    Lincoln is my guide:

    “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right”

    John A. Fleming, at americandigest.org

    I’m sure the 911 hijackers went by Lincoln’s guide too. Sorry, “god” is too subjective. Everyone thinks “god” is on their side. Tolkien makes infinitely more sense.
    ==============================================================
    A few thoughts.
    Lots of people have done things in the name of God without first bothering to find out what it was God wanted done.
    God gave man freedom of will … but that is not a guarantee that one’s choice is the right one and will not have consequences.
    God is “big enough” to not need a human government to get things He wants done done.
    (Mods, I promise I won’t respond to the prods. Also, if you snip this because it’s to close to the upper edge of the sometimes fuzzy site policy line, no offence will be taken. In other words, if you see a storm brewing, snip it.)

  45. Interesting,
    “The United States must pay for its evil carbon-emitting ways. ”
    … but China’s CO2 is OK and China now produces even more CO2 than the USA.

  46. “AOSIS members seek to sue in the International Court of Justice for damages from US-made climate change.”

    According to Wikipedia, “After the court ruled that the U.S.’s covert war against Nicaragua was in violation of international law (Nicaragua v. United States), the United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986.

    The United States accepts the court’s jurisdiction only on a case-by-case basis.[3] Chapter XIV of the United Nations Charter authorizes the UN Security Council to enforce World Court rulings

    . However, such enforcement is subject to the veto power of the five permanent members of the Council.”

    Since the US is one of the permanent members of the Security Council, you can guess what will happen there.

    Obama will make all the crowd-pleasing statements in the world, but at the end of the day the US Will not accept the ICJ’s jurisdiction.

  47. The sooner the USA is on it’s knees the better. We have the enemy operating from within taking office in the WH supported by an electorate of fools so the decline is accelerating and the results inevitable..

  48. It’s looking even more like going off the ‘fiscal cliff’ is more accurately to ‘embrace a warm sequester’…. If the budget just hits a sequester, none of this insanity can be funded. Then just let it ride….

  49. The United States and Europe will continue to be the primary targets as no-one stands the least chance of receiving climate compensation from China no matter what its emissions are.

  50. I’ve heard that global warming causes night blindness. Now they say that my mate’s aunty Marge has got that disease. Could she be in line for some of that moolah from the rich countries?

  51. There is one very simple reason the US is being targeted for the money and China is not – The US is now seen as a gigantic sucker, but China is not. You don’t anger people who you think might retaliate, you only go after fat, lazy creampuffs who you think will pay you just to go away.

    Someone asked, when will this end? When the US no longer is seen as a sucker for any loon with a hand out, that’s when.

  52. Ok, so their argument is that we have some kind of fake “climate debt”, we the evil co2 emitting advanced nations that invented the modern world and everything in it- the engineering, electricity, transport, communications, metalurgy, medicine and the rest, including philosophical advances in political freedoms, human rights and aid to other less advanced nations which have been dragged on our coat tails from the stone age into the modern world in just a few generations.

    Perhaps we should recipricate- impose an engineering debt, a medical and pharmacutical debt, a transport infrastructure debt,

    Maybe a fee for saving them the ten thousand years effort that it took us to get from the stone age to where we are now.

    Remined them that most of the people of the developiong world are only alive because someone in the West discovered vaccines and treatments without which they would most likely have died before their fifth birthday.

  53. All the above came about because we in Britain left behind the myth and magic of our Druidry, the goat sacrifice and tree worship, and later the rejection of the literal ritual canibalism and superstition of Roman Christianity.

    Maybe they would have prefered it if we had left them to their own tree worship, sorcery, witch doctors and left them enjoy their polio, TB, cholera, leprosy and malaria.of their pre-industrial paradise.

  54. To asimilwho:

    You wrote, in part: “….Obama will make all the crowd-pleasing statements in the world, but at the end of the day the US Will not accept the ICJ’s jurisdiction.”

    Ummm…wrong. Obama is a dedicated internationalist. See his speeches re: American
    power, which some have dubbed his “apology tour”. For his first term, he had to pretend
    not to be, since his own re-election is the overarching concern. Since he is not eligible for
    another re-election, he can turn to acting out what he really believes, which is that the USA
    must have its economic, diplomatic, and military power dwindle. He does not seek to have
    the USA be “first among equals” on the world stage–he wishes to so strenuously curb our
    abilities that the USA will become a second-tier nation.

    One way of doing this is to tie us up with international “lawsuits” in the ICJ that force the
    nation to pay fees that are, in the end, ruinous.

  55. On the subject of Obama, doesn’t your constitution say something about a budget every year?
    4 years should be enough to clearly signify an intent to deliberately breach this obligation.
    Whats the proper censure for breaking the oath of office?

  56. We’ll compensate them just as soon as they compensate us for all the technology which we have developed that has made their lives immeasurably better. Seems only fair.

  57. To john robertson:

    You have accurately stated matters. The President may propose a budget.
    This President has in fact proposed budgets, but very unrealistic ones.

    However, the responsibility for passing a budget lies with the Congress.
    The House of Representatives has in fact passed budgets and sent them
    to the upper chamber–the Senate–for approval. However, the Senate is in
    the hands of the Democratic party. The majority party leader is Senator
    Harry Reid of Nevada. He is so extremely partisan that, for example, he
    pledged that if the Republican party candidate in the recent Presidential
    election (Romney) had won, he (Reid) would not cooperate with Romney
    at all. It has been the resistance of the Senate Democrats, and Reid in
    particular, that has led to the USA operating without a budget for
    over 3 years.

  58. I have one criticism about western democracy … we allow imbeciles to run the country and make apologies to the rest of the world for no justifiable reason. If Hillary Clinton found it necessary to knock her very own country for the imaginary evils of the past, it is only fare that she ask the rest of the world to thank her country for the significant benefits it has given the world e.g. technology and knowhow; medical discoveries and advancements; scientific knowledge and discoveries; etc. Most importantly, Clinton should also ask for thanks over the US ending the second world war as well as for the sacrifice of the lives of American soldiers in numerous conflicts in the fight against evil and for the preservation of our western democratic free lifestyle. Actually, Clinton is such an embarrassment, she should just go away. And if she is to make public comments in future, she should be obliged to at least first ‘engage brain before opening mouth’.

  59. And if she is to make public comments in future, she should be obliged to at least first ‘engage brain before opening mouth’.

    Surely this excludes politicians from speaking.

  60. Uh-huh. And if it turns out, as scientifically it must, that CO2 and warming are responsible for gain and benefit, will the U.S. be showered with recompense and payments?

    To ask is to answer.

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