Doha delegates, pwned

Would you wear a mask to prevent CO2 exhalation? Surprisingly, many said yes.

Guest post by Paul Driessen

With the climate talks in Doha, Qatar limping along, and support for a new treaty waning among nations in attendance, one might expect spirits to be down among the global warming faithful. But this is not the case.

Yes, nations like Canada, New Zealand, and Japan seem eager to withdraw from the process. And yes, nature has not been exactly cooperative, with 16 years of no statistically significant warming. However, delegates here at COP 18 remain steadfast in their cause and willing to do almost anything it takes to “save the earth.”

CFACT highlighted this eagerness to go to extremes by introducing a new gadget called the “sequestration of exhalation device” — a mask that would filter CO2 from a person’s breath. Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.

Here’s a video of the interviews and responses: 

Of course the mask really did no such thing, but those questioned were unaware that the proposition being made was done in sport. A few actually said they would have their children wear the mask, even going as far as to say their pets could wear a filtration mask too.

Among those trying the mask were members of the IPCC and World Meteorological Organization — two of the leading scientific bodies supporting global warming investigations. Although they were unwilling to use the mask themselves, they did entertain its usefulness and give their input on the notion.

If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action? Stay tuned: Visit www.CFACT.org for updates on COP18.

147 thoughts on “Doha delegates, pwned

  1. jeff says:
    December 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    so how again is this an “own”? CFACT making fools out of themselves?

    Is your exhalative sequestration device obstructing your vision, jeff?

  2. Considering how the Doha conference delegates are consumed by ideology, this trick is almost too easy.
    /snark

  3. @jeff

    so how again is this not an “own”. CFACT made fools out of your boys Jeff and I think that’s the true source of your frustration. You know what too, Jeff probably thinks this is a great idea and is mad we’re making fun of it.

    ho ho ho, merry christmas.

  4. @jeff,
    Who is being made a fool of?

    Not only is the capture of CO2 totally insignificant, but the manufacture of the mask, replacement materials, and shipping create many times more CO2 than they can hope to capture. To top it off, the usage might create a hazardous waste disposal issue — it is probably classified as a biohazard after being worn a while. I mean, would you share a used mask?

    The only part of the story that needs verification is that there are some people attending Doha that actually entertained the idea for longer than a split second. If there are, my hat’s off to CFACT for an inspired bit of farce. I hope they took names.

  5. Jeff-

    Not sure how you see it as CFACT making fools of themselves…looks to me like they made fools of the COP 18 delegates…therefore COP was ‘pwnd’.

  6. Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing! I expected independence from self-proclaimed independent thinkers.

    REPLY: we have no control over the ads, they are placed there by the ad company, and are based on your previous search contexts. You should be disappointed with yourself first, becuase your web history dictates the sort of ads that show up. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_targeting – Anthony

  7. Absolute proof that the world supply of gullible morons will never be depleted. These fools deserve to have their fortunes taken away and lives ruined in the name of saving the planet. Not so the rest of the people who actually have functioning brain cells.

  8. Jeff:

    I refuse to accept that you are as stupid as you pretend to be with your post at December 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm which in total is

    so how again is this an “own”? CFACT making fools out of themselves?

    The mask is a daft idea for several reasons and those attending the COP could be expected to have sufficient knowledge to understand that. But CFACT demonstrated that some of them don’t.

    The delegates made “fools of themselves” and there is no way that CFACT did.
    Importantly, as the article concludes

    If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action?

    Richard

  9. Humorous spoofs like this must inject a little levity into the lives of the attendants of dreary gatherings like this one at Doha. They must be very depressed in Doha looking at the static temperatures and the accelerating rise of CO2 levels making all the plants grow better and faster to feed the poor,

  10. Ipcc members? Who exactly?

    Ps please nobody explain what’s wrong with the idea of a Co2 mask. Let’s see how many fools there are among the commenters.

  11. It does show the mindset of these people who are making decisions. Any snake oil salesman can earn a pretty penny from these people as long as you act like you are saving the world.

  12. A mask for the other end might be more benificial. Not sure what the GHG emissions are but the reduction in odor would probably be appreciated by all on those long plane rides to exotic destinations.

  13. Jeff – it allows us to laugh at the gullibility of alarmists, whilst also highlighting the very valid point that these people will try and force their ideas on anyone (or any child). Like all the best comedy it makes you laugh and squirm at the same time

  14. This is on a par with getting them to sign a petition against the use of dihydrogen monoxide at a previous conference.

  15. seriously , Jeff…. roflmao !!!

    The only fools are those who think sequestering the CO2 in exhaled breathe would make one iota of difference to anything !! And wearing a mask to sequester carbon dioxide.. hilarious.

    But, even more hilarious is your response., Jeff

    ouch, my sides hurt !

  16. Splendid prank – wish I’d thought of it. Like the “campaign” to “ban dihydrogen monoxide”, it instantly catches the knee-jerk idiots who do not take the trouble to “engage brain before putting mouth in gear”. You should have taken a generous stock of them – you’d probably have turned a handsome profit when they caught on. :-D

  17. “Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.”

    Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines. Working for free, of course, to save the earth. Submarines filter CO2 all the time…

  18. In the early days of mad cow disease in the uk one minister had his children eat a beef burger on TV only to later find that mad cow disease presented a real threat. In this case of course the opposite would be true. I would imagine that the delegates will be sequestering plenty enough carbon as they dash to the canteen between long periods of sitting down.

  19. PT Barnum’s famous statement that you could never overestimate the public’s gullibility, could be rephrased to apply to these people. Many apparently have a need to feel threatened coupled with a need to make everyone else miserable; it’s probably a psychiatric disorder of some type.

  20. Watch the eyes when the interviewee is asked if they would wear the mask. Most of them break eye contact and those brief glances into the distance give the game away.

  21. “The Green House Gas Effect has finally been harnessed and put into a useful, working instrument. It turns the carbon dioxide in your breath into heat!”

    Minutes later, when they swoon, tell em

    “Nah, I just blocked the exhale ports. Nobody’s ever found a way to make the Greenhouse Gas Effect do actual work in a machine, ” to the hilarious guffaws of all in earshot.

    It just goes to show just because people want to control what the other guy does, thinks, or says,
    doesn’t mean they’re going to limit themself to the same constraints.

    Their fellow man is there to degrade, blame, and ultimately use.

    If you want to breathe, pay me.

    What’s the next step? Humiliation for not going along.

    “If you want to be critical of the gas do it wearing this gas mask.”

    ” Now how do you feel? You feel absolutely silly, don’t you? Complaining about this mask when it’s agreed all around, this gas has wondrous properties. It’s a pollutant and it doesn’t matter if no one has ever found anything it polluted, you’re a silly and a selfish person for ruining the dialog, complaining behind your mask that CO2 isn’t really a pollutant.”

    Next step?
    Want to have a child? Pay the government in advance for the years 0-18, for carbon pollution.

  22. Among those trying the mask were members of the IPCC and World Meteorological Organization — two of the leading scientific bodies supporting global warming investigations. Although they were unwilling to use the mask themselves, they did entertain its usefulness and give their input on the notion.

    If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action? (…)

    But there is the answer right there. They will say such measures make sense, they are a good idea, they’ll even say they are willing to accept such measures themselves. But when it comes to actually doing it, 24/7/365.25, they don’t want to. But they do like to buy carbon credits and claim they are sacrificing just as much.

    And if you can’t afford or obtain your own carbon credits, or are in a poor country with a kleptocratic government that has stolen your right to pursue prosperity in return for foreign payoffs for carbon austerity, here’s your mask. It really doesn’t change much, as to those in power you were faceless anyway.

  23. “Would you wear a mask to prevent CO2 exhalation? Surprisingly, many said yes.”

    Oh please – pretty please – this has to be the quote of the week! I was hugely fortunate in not having a mouthful of coffee at the time I read this, I’d have coffe-blasted the walls and the ceiling, too!

    :)

  24. Hey Jeff, what are your thoughts on dihydrogen monoxide – the World’s most potent greenhouse gas?

  25. wikeroy says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.”

    Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines. Working for free, of course, to save the earth. Submarines filter CO2 all the time…

    No way any of those people would qualify, wikeroy–my son just completed his sub duty as a nuke and said the CO2 levels were kept between 1,000 and 2,000 ppmv; that wouldn’t satisfy any of those COPx people, I’m sure–they’d probably suffocate psychologically, not physically.

  26. Carol Fischer says: “Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing!”

    Anthony replies: “You should be disappointed with yourself first, becuase your web history dictates the sort of ads that show up”

    So funny!

    Carol – is it time to have a word with hubby?

  27. “Delegates were delighted to hear that the CO2 trapped in their masks would grow slightly warmer as CO2 levels built up, but said they didn’t mind if it showed their dedication to the consensus that Greenhouse Gases really do have an effect on life in everyday ways. The effect of the mask they said, usually was to make them grateful they had a ready source of always-heating-everything-around-it gas.”

  28. Actually there is some merit in this idea. A colleague of mine often says, “If you can’t convince them of their stupidity, you might as well fleece them!” Someone could make millions manufacturing and marketing this ‘device’ purely to sell to the idiots who think it might help save the planet by sequestering their ‘polluting’ CO2 breath emissions. They are fools enough to fall for the CAGW scam in the first place so you might as well take their money. I love it. You could make them in different colours, some with speed stripes even and some for pets and the fashionably-aware.

  29. @wikeroy,

    “Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines.”

    Because the US Navy wants submariners that are at least semi-itelligent. When you use forced conscription either by draft or press-gangs what you generally end up with is incompetent human trash.

  30. Are these the same people who signed the petition which would ban dihydrogen monoxide because of the dangers posed not only to the environment but also to human due to the suffocation risk a couple of conferences ago? Trying to ban water must have been a riot as most of the attendees actually signed the petition.

  31. Actually there is some merit in this idea. A colleague of mine often says, “If you can’t convince them of their stupidity, you might as well fleece them!” Someone could make millions manufacturing and marketing this ‘device’ purely to sell to the idiots who think it might help save the planet by sequestering their ‘polluting’ CO2 breath emissions. They are fools enough to fall for the CAGW scam in the first place so you might as well take their money. I love it. You could make them in different colours, some with speed stripes, some for pets and the fashionably-aware.

  32. Good idea but I would think that in addition to the mask more than half of the people could have also been convinced to put a rubber boot on their heads.

  33. What they would not be willing to do is admit that they’ve been suckered–and that their efforts have harmed the living world.
    Every living thing on Earth traces its origins to the biochemical reduction (removal of oxygen) of CO2. Attacking CO2 is attacking the basis of life.

    We are slowly reaching the general public, with the help of 16 years of non-warming. And that brings up the subject of graphs: just about everyone on Earth over 6 or 7 has seen Michael Mann’s discredited hockey stick. WUWT published a graph around a year ago that is far more impressive to those with mathematical understanding. It was a graph of average global temperatures versus number of weather stations. In the 1980’s, the “least reliable” temperature stations were removed from the records. Temperatures rose at exactly the same points. Somehow, the deleted stations were always the coldest ones.

    I described that to a health professional, college degree. She could not understand what would happen to the average if you removed all the lowest points. I told her the average would rise. But while most of the public does not understand this easily, al large percentage DO understand, and would explain what this means to their neighbors.

    People WORKED to make Mann’s graph the cultural icon it became. WUWT should republish that graph at least once a week, and make it very easy to find.

    The real sources of global warming are twofold: (1) the urban heat island, including increasing use of air conditioners and other warming devices, and (2) manipulation of the data as shown unambiguously in your graph.

    Perhaps you are afraid to do so. Our people frequently talk of their belief that the real reason for the global warming hoax is social control or financial (Gore heavily invested in carbon credits as one example). That graph strongly points to “conspiracy” of a small group of people able to sell nonsense to the entire world. Wide publication of that graph would tend to expose them, and those are very, very powerful people, who have been know to commit murder to protect themselves.

    Every living thing depends on carbon dioxide for its well-being. I have been tempted to sell home carbon dioxide removal device to alarmists. But it would be attempted murder–as a physiologist, I know that carbon dioxide levels are low and not high, and that lower levels would shorten life while higher levels raise longevity. We are talking plant growth to feed people–and all endangered species. We are talking return to geologically more typical CO2 levels, which must logically benefit more species than would be harmed.

    Health, wealth, vitality,longevity, material abundance. Are those things worth taking any risk for?

  34. Just shows how far removed these folks are from any scientific or physical reality. The whole conference is living in its own little self-constructed LaLa land.

  35. At least one of the “consensus” “2500 experts” or “scientists” or whatever they purport to be is a grade AAA certified moron, who shouldn’t be allowed to put his own socks on for his own safety. I have a suspicion that there are many more just like that one.

  36. This kind of mindset reminds me of the argument that we should all stop exercising, because we produce more CO2 when we exert ourselves.

    Doha should pass some sort of motion to ban exercise. Imagine how much mankind could lower our CO2 emissions if we stopped exhaling. (Yes! I’m being sarcastic.)

    From August 2008;
    Extremely fit have larger carbon footprints than do couch potatoes: scientific study

    http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=173

  37. Aw, shucks! Got beaten to the ‘Dihydrogen Monoxide’ bit, which was even funnier as it takes even less brain power for all those ‘expert climate scuentists’ to see through the ruse than the CO2 mask.

    What glorious fun :)

  38. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.
    Albert Einstein

  39. Jeff, and those on film, bring to mind the catchphrases of the late, great Eric Morecombe:

    “This boy’s a fool.”

    “What do you think of it so far?”
    “Rubbish!”

    “All the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order.”

  40. Australian Aborigines solved this problem years ago. No need for expensive face masks.

    But methane sequestration is far more challenging.

  41. Carol Fischer says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Pwned!

    You can’t hide from the internet. Unless of course you were using someone else’s PC :)

  42. The nice way of looking at this, and one which has been legitimized in social studies, is that “good” citizens will give the benefit of the doubt to others in the community, and will support them should they appear impassioned (and there are no obvious dangerous elements involved). Someone wants you to donate for research on demystification of the lower eleum (a terrible disease!), we give ‘em five bucks and wish him luck.

    The not-so-nice – because it is both scary and relevant – way of looking at this, is that the warmist committed is exactly the sort to get behind someone’s programme simply because the person is impassioned and there are no obvious dangers to going-with-the-flow. De-mystification of the lower eleum or decarbonization of the world: if it is a popular excitement, then there they are. Which is NOT the sort we need determining our technological, economic or political realities.

    (But I am open to donations for the demystification cause from the COP18 attendees.)

  43. Hilarious! I wonder what else they’d be willing to do to cut down their “carbon footprint”? How about if they could just buy carbon indulgences instead? These people are not only fools of the highest order, but they are first-class hypocrites as well.

  44. How many gallons of Eco Greenie Kool Aide have they been chugging?
    They are like cultists now, rationale thought has given way to fuzzy theological beliefs.

    Thank gawk they are a fringe and a fad.

  45. ABC World News Tonight (6:30PM EST): Home prices rocketing up. Phoenix up 21%.

    But inventory at 7 year low with mortgage prices lowest since… basically all-time low. What did they expect? Also the top state increases have a curious shape out west. Ignore the coastal states, spread out inland eastward from California, there they are. Looks like the great migration from the People’s Republic of Kalifornia is continuing apace.

    Dandelions in December, 2012 on track to be warmest on record in lower 48. 400 record high temps already.

    But this time they didn’t mention global warming? Surprise! Of course they mentioned temperatures will be dropping by 20°F tomorrow. Guess sometimes they have to admit it is just weather. Although it was a very brief report, too much happening elsewhere, maybe they didn’t have the time.

    What with important things to do like sounding the alarm over the genetically modified salmon the FDA is set to approve for consumption in the US… Some people think it could cause cancer!

    Maybe I should just stop watching the TV “World” news.

  46. pfft! noobs! – pwned does not mean punked and owned it just means owned. The p is an o in leet speak – in fact any letter or number canbe used to substitute for any other letter or number as long as the intent canbe made out.

  47. “Among those trying the mask were members of the IPCC and World Meteorological Organization — two of the leading scientific bodies supporting global warming investigations. Although they were unwilling to use the mask themselves, they did entertain its usefulness …”

    How many time have you heard this… we won’t, we know xxxxx makes no real difference, but we sure would support forcing all the rest of humanity to xxxxx if yyyyy.

    (just fill in the topics of choice)

  48. Why are we not surprised …
    “I would like to completely de-carbonise myself …”
    Wish they would. Just give us a bit of warning so we can get out of the way …
    Better not tell them about the volume of co2 dissolved in beer, soft drinks, carbonated (oops) “aeriated” mineral water. Or maybe use this as the joke for next year’s gabfest?
    I make the tonnage 7 figures being burped out annually in this country of 20+m.

  49. The absurdity is mind boggling. If there is over two pounds of CO2 exhaled, then the mask will get a lot heavier over the day (from 2/3 pound to 2pound depending on the chemical reaction). Realistically, you need at least as much material as the weight of gas, so the mask would probably weigh quite a few pounds to start. Of course carrying that weight of mask would itself increase the CO2 output leading to runaway CO2 induced heating. That it turn would lead to hydrological effects (thirst) requiring water to be carried, leading to a water vapour feedback mechanism induced thermal runaway as more and more CO2 is produced.

    It’s an end of the world scenario!

  50. So, you can use CO2 creating transportation, to take idiots to a conference to discuss idiotic concepts with other idiots who have created CO2 to get to the same conference, to call people like me deniers, in speech muffled by a mask to absorb CO2!
    It sounds like something from a Monty Python script!
    I buy surgical masks for £10 per 1000, I bet these morons will buy them for £10 each if I say they absorb CO2!

  51. Lady Life Grows says:
    December 4, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Here is the graph I really love link because it is portable and easy to understand.

    For posting up as a link Lucy’s flick graph is great link

  52. Such a mask could only work by means a chemical reaction capturing the CO2. Which would require a chemical process to manufacture such a compound, requiring energy and releasing CO2. Thus a net carbon capture face mask isn’t possible (although potentially a biological one could be). What surprises me, is none of the people seem to realize this.

  53. She forgot the best bit and that is how they collect the filters every week to burn in a power station so it’s not just carbon neutral, it’s carbon negative. And even better, the more carbon-rich your diet the more you’ll be doing to save the planet.

  54. With a couple of pounds of sequestrated CO2 in them, those masks are going to get a bit heavy by the end of the day!

    The idea was good but a lot of the “victims” didn’t look that keen even though they said yes. I guess it’s a better idea to make other people wear one.

    Also reminded me of Penn & Teller’s dihydrogen monoxide skit, which they made a much better job of:

    Shame they forgot to point out how long you’d have to wear one to compensate for a round trip flight to Doha.

  55. I don’t think that anthropogenic CO2 has an effect on climate that is worth getting excited about, but I do see a tremendous economic potential in the carbon dioxide filter mask economically. Masks could be designed and constructed for all of earth’s CO2 expelling creatures. Just consider the number of individuals to be employed designing these masks, building the masks, and those trained to actually fit the masks on all of earth’s creatures. Then consider the trillions of tiny masks needed for bacteria. Need I say more? Surely this is the answer to our planet’s economic doldrums.

  56. But holding your breathe, for 2 hours, would be even more environmentally friendly. I agree, if we can’t beat them we should profit from them. After all these people are uncomfortable being wealthy and privileged, it is only fair to give them what they want. I am sure they will be far more comfortable poor and ignored, like most of Africa.

  57. Those masks should be obligatory in Warmistan. And when they are not able to be used Warmistanis should have a straw up one nostril to deflect CO2.

  58. Sequestration masks, what a lovely joke. I’ve not had such a good laugh for,
    lemme see now, at least a week. (The laughs are coming more often now as
    the idiocies feed on their predecessors …)

    I wonder how many people are aware of the evolutionary agreement between
    plants and animals? They inhale CO2 and exhale O2 (and GROW!). Animals
    (and mankind) inhale the O2 and return it for the plants as CO2. Deal!

    I’m not going to welch on it … instead, I’m going to continue feeding my kitchen
    garden, and I’m going to continue breathing in and out the normal way—and
    so are my pets, and so are my family—to feed the vegetables so they can feed
    us. SH summer has arrived, the banana trees are fruiting and by the look of them,
    I won’t need the services of the banana-benders this summer, yet again.

    A good joke.

  59. From the article:

    “If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action?”

    They really don’t care about ‘the rest of the world’. Their unspoken agenda is to hobble the United States. They zip their lips when it comes to China, India, and “the rest of the world“.

  60. I understand 97% of the concensus agreed to wear the mask. One very positive way to sequester carbon is to promote population growth – we do take a lot of carbon out of the system for decades – apparently we mix it with dihydrogen oxide.

  61. DOG BITES MAN!

    These people are True Believers and they have traveled thousands of miles to attend a church meeting full of True Believers. Could we realistically expect them to NOT act like True Believers? Could we realistically expect them to have their guards up?

    Mild amusement aside, this should be a lesson to “our side” to guard against our own forms of True Belief lest we too should get lazy and succumb to smug tribalism.

    “If I were President,” “we wouldn’t have the problems we have today!”

    “We’d have different problems.”
    –Joe Walsh, Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison, CO, August 9, 2006

    Sermon over.

  62. But the production fo those maks would itself require energy, and thus add to the dreaded CO2. The real, natural, sustainable solution is for everyone to learn not breath out.

  63. Interesting to see on the Doha conference website http://unfccc.int/meetings/doha_nov_2012/meeting/6815.php
    that they have been meeting since Monday Nov 26 with hundreds of meetings, but when you click on reports or decisions all that is reported is that information will be available shortly.
    The latest negotiation update says: “Upon completion of the mandate given to them by the COM/CMP President following the closure of the Subsidiary Bodies on Saturday, 1 December, the SBI and SBSTA Chairs requested a final extension till noon on Wednesday, 5 December 2012, to advance the remaining items. They also indicated that some issues which are of a political nature may require ministerial engagement to take them forward. The President granted the requested extension and will review the need for ministerial engagement depending on the status of items at noon on Wednesday, 5 December 2012.”
    They have until Friday to wrap up this talkfest, but nowhere can I find a clear explanation of the expected outcomes. The original 1992 UN framework Convention on Climate Change listed on the website states as its objective:
    “The ultimate objective of this Convention and any related legal instruments that the
    Conference of the Parties may adopt is to achieve, in accordance with the relevant provisions of
    the Convention, stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that
    would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system. Such a level
    should be achieved within a time frame sufficient to allow ecosystems to adapt naturally to
    climate change, to ensure that food production is not threatened and to enable economic
    development to proceed in a sustainable manner.”
    So the party has been going on for 20 years, and what positive outcomes have been achieved?
    Will they take credit for the fact that warming appears to have stopped?

  64. First off – big props to the young woman capable of displaying the type of earnestness necessary to help save the world! What was that line in the recent mess “Prometheus”? Big things come from small beginnings.”

    Secondly, I don’t know if there is a skeptic gene missing or it’s just selective editing but didn’t any of these delegates stop to think of the practicality of such a measure? Or is it because one finds him or herself in a setting and on camera and thus would not wish to be viewed as skeptical or worse obstructionist? I guess none of them has worked in a situation where a gas mask is required to protect their circulatory system from the outside conditions and not the reverse. Yes, there may be day when masks are necessary (see China) in our respective countries but most assuredly due to pollutants other than a suspiciously high fatal concentration of CO2. And that’s the point – there’s little honest effort to allow for skepticism, an examination of the forest through the trees. The strained acceptance of incorporating even a couple of hours per day of the “sequestration mask” to help the cause is an analogy for keeping the genie (i.e., industrial revolution of third world nations) in the bottle (ooops…another analogy) by issuing non-realistic agreements like the Kyoto Protocol or carbon credits – not everybody is going to hold their end of the bargain. While participating in another blog I was labeled as a “do nothing obstructionist”; on the contrary I am for action, good science, adaptation, and productive and sound policies. The status quo will indeed not allow us to continue as we have always done so. But for accuracy and efficiency’s sake, do question and demand conclusions based on sound empirical data before donning a make-believe mask that allows you to feel better about yourself.

  65. Of course , even better would be a mask attached to a container with plant life in it , it could be called a “greenpack”,

    Or if enough people, maybe feed the CO2 out-breathing into a shed, that could be called … let me see… how about we call it a “greenhouse”

  66. Looks like a fairly standard half mask respirator without the filters. I wear one from time to time in the course of my work. It just shows these people have no idea what it takes to make the world they live in so, easy…

  67. Carol Fischer says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    “Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing! I expected independence from self-proclaimed independent thinkers.”

    How does the American River College finance its operation, Carol? Taxpayer dime I suppose?
    So you’re into the kind of “independence” of a James Hansen?

  68. I’m a little bit disappointed that that one guy “wouldn’t force” his kids to wear the mask. How can we achieve total antropogenic CO2 exhalation sequestration without enforcement? Is he sure that the UNFCCC is the right place for him? Figueres, send him to the readjustment camp!

    Wonderful video by CFACT. I propose we install pipes everywhere where people can connect the exhaust tubes from the masks so we can collect all the CO2 and pump it through a network of pipelines to Norway where the Norwegians invest the money they didn’t lose with TepCo into a gargantuan CO2 sequestration facility.

  69. “However, delegates here at COP 18 remain steadfast in their cause and willing to do almost anything it takes to “save the earth.”

    I think this was mis-stated. They are willing TO FORCE OTHER PEOPLE to do almost anything it takes to save the earth.”

  70. I first said these as a joke….

    Gunga Din says:
    August 21, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    If your recently approved grant proposal was originally a story rejected by the SyFy Channel as being “to bizarre”, you might be a green-neck.

    If you’ve ever considered wearing a gas mask to capture your own CO2 emissions, you might be a green-neck.

    If you’ve replaced your black-velvet portrait of Elvis with a black-velvet portrait of Al Gore, you might be a green-neck.

  71. Carol Fischer says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm
    “Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing! I expected independence from self-proclaimed independent thinkers.”

    Carol Fischer links to the American River College, and complains about ads.
    As I suspected, the American River College is on the federal dole:

    http://matsui.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2294&Itemid=98

    A lot of independent thinking going on at your college, Carol?

  72. However, delegates here at COP 18 remain steadfast in their cause and willing to do almost anything it takes to “save the earth.

    If they are so convinced, why don’t they start with themselves and compost their stupid bodies environmentally compliant?
    They would do the world a big favor!

  73. You know they really could make these masks, use some CaO (lime) granuals to absorb the CO2 from the wearers breath. Of course it wouldn’t have any efffect on Global warming real or imagined, but I bet the masks would sell and actually absorb some CO2 to make the warmists feel warm and fuzzy.

  74. I wonder how many people could be sold on using the advanced recycling version, where the toxic pollutant CO₂ is extracted from the exhaled air then the remaining purified air is stored in a small reservoir where it’s the source of all inhaled air.

    It’s a very efficient unit, within a half hour so much CO₂ has been extracted that the concentration in the system is barely detectable.

  75. Why a I not getting to see my Snorg Tees ads lately!?!?!?

    is it that smart Carol who is to blame?

  76. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    December 4, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Away from the fun factor of selling such a device to Warmists, it would be harmful to your health.
    The inhaled O2 will be exhaled as CO2, so in a closed device anoxia would occure!

    Please don’t try this!

  77. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    December 4, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    I wonder how many people could be sold on using the advanced recycling version, where the toxic pollutant CO₂ is extracted from the exhaled air then the remaining purified air is stored in a small reservoir where it’s the source of all inhaled air.
    It’s a very efficient unit, within a half hour so much CO₂ has been extracted that the concentration in the system is barely detectable.
    ====================================================================
    Kind of like the stillsuit in Dune. But I suspect anyone using such a device would soon become very still and eventually release all the carbon they’ve sequestered.

  78. Paul Jackson says:
    December 4, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    You know they really could make these masks, use some CaO (lime) granuals to absorb the CO2 from the wearers breath. Of course it wouldn’t have any efffect on Global warming real or imagined, but I bet the masks would sell and actually absorb some CO2 to make the warmists feel warm and fuzzy.
    ===================================================================
    And if there’s much water vapor in their breath they might start to feel really warm.
    I don’t know if they’re still working on it but there was a company trying to develope self-heating can. The heat source was mixing CaO with water in a compartment below the food.

  79. Jordan says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Carol Fischer says: “Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing!”

    Anthony replies: “You should be disappointed with yourself first, becuase your web history dictates the sort of ads that show up”

    So funny!

    Carol – is it time to have a word with hubby?

    lol
    I’ve done worse things, but my most persistent advertising ‘punishment’ so far has been promotion to the top of the X-Ray Fluorometer mailing list. And I only looked up X-Ray Fluorescence once, honest!

  80. But if they knew that they’re each exhaling a ballpark figure of CO2 at about 40,000 ppm with each breath, would the amount of CO2 “pollution” trapped so close to their faces only frighten the bejesus out of them, sadly making the masks not marketable, or would they finally decide to do the right thing and just end it all in order to “save the planet”? Nah, they’d only babble about Malthus being right and redouble their final-solution efforts to get rid of the rest of us!

  81. This took me back to a first form (age 12) geography class in England circa 1955. There was great excitement about the prospect of nuclear power from Britain’s first atomic power station.
    “They do say” said our teacher. ” that by the time you are paying your electricity bills, it’s going to be so cheap that all you will have to pay will be a small charge for maintaining the cables”.
    He paused and added “AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING”

    I don’t think there are many geography or science teachers of that sort today!

  82. I’m surprised no one mentioned how it ‘proves’ the CO2 warming effect too – by pointing out how warm/hot the inside of the mask becomes as the CO2 traps all the heat! (Jeez, do I really need to put a /sarc tag, here?)

  83. I am so glad I didn’t have anything in my mouth when I read this or I would now be cleaning my screen, keyboard and surrounding area.
    Thank you for brightening up my day.
    James Bull

  84. There is a far better solution than this available, and has been used in diving for many years I think.

    http://www.apdiving.com/evolution/

    As someone said early in the comments the total CO2 involved is probably way above that saved by the system. Still thinking things through has always been a problem with religious beliefs.

    Sandy

  85. Berényi Péter says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:01 am
    The next thing to try is to sell them zero carbon food.

    You could try marketing it as “organic food” that is totally free of nasty chemicals such as carbon.

  86. My warmist friend suggests that all this is an elaborate hoax played out on the conference delegates. In other words, the people inerviewed were not bona fide delegates. .Any suggestions as to how to convince him that these people were indeed dumb? Is there a list of people with their credentials who agreed to wear the mask if so requested?

  87. alleagra:

    You attempt to suggest doubt about the video in your post at December 5, 2012 at 4:12 am

    My warmist friend suggests that all this is an elaborate hoax played out on the conference delegates. In other words, the people inerviewed were not bona fide delegates. .Any suggestions as to how to convince him that these people were indeed dumb? Is there a list of people with their credentials who agreed to wear the mask if so requested?

    The video identifies the delegates who wore the mask in the video.

    Richard

  88. Surely there’s a massive market waiting to be tapped – selling these things to all the governments of the Western world which have bought into the ‘CO2 is evil’ dogma…
    Start off by standing outside the Palace of Westminster ( houses of Parliament to you) in London, shouting: ‘Get yer carbon dioxide filters ‘ere….!’
    There should be a rush to buy (particularly by the Liberal Democrats)…

  89. Goldie says:
    December 4, 2012 at 2:33 pm
    In the early days of mad cow disease in the uk one minister had his children eat a beef burger on TV only to later find that mad cow disease presented a real threat. In this case of course the opposite would be true.

    Perhaps it might be worth asking him to wear one of the masks. John Gummer (Lord Debden) is now Chairman of the UK’s “independent” Committee on Climate Change, which “advises the UK Government on setting and meeting carbon budgets and on preparing for the impacts of climate change.” (wikipedia).

  90. What it tells me is that, if you want to be appointed an official delegate, to be permitted to confer at the conference, you already have to be a full-fledged warmist hysteric. Otherwise, you’re locked out, because you’d be such a distracting trouble-maker.

  91. @ Pamela Gray

    Vacuums and lingerie? That comment could sink this conversation to depths the likes of which have never been reached on this board.

  92. As someone who used to have to wear a respirator in much of my working day due to being in hazardous environments, this got me thinking.

    let’s for the sake of argument take this idea at face value ( I noticed some posters agreeing it could be a good idea, not judged the irony in those posts)

    I thought that surely there are no cartridge filters that do this and I was right, the filters are designed to keep out particulates, vapours, noxious acid gases etcetera. it would be ridiculous to make a cartridge co2 scrubber as respirators are designed to stop things entering your lungs, not getting out of them. Taking aside how uncomfortable these things are to wear for long periods of time and how much water vapour they collect (not to mention quite a stink after a while) I did consider that there might be applications for such a device. this led me to think of enclosed spaces and sure enough I found a device which is for use in commercial diving bells . A snip at $500 on sale.

    http://www.amronintl.com/comex-lung-powered-carbon-dioxide-co2-scrubber.html

    The device would have to be fitted with an active carbon scrubber for biologicals and a couple of pounds of soda lime or soda sorb to capture most of the CO2. The comfort and water vapour issues remain.

    This device is good for 4 hours at which point the active ingredients are saturated and need to be replaced. Leaving you with a couple of pounds of co2 saturated waste to deal with. And that’s not even considering the amount of co2 released in the manufacture of the unit and the component parts plus active scrubbing ingredients.
    And that’s as close as you get to the device being pranked in this video. 4 hours co2 removal for great expense and creating co2 saturated waste products. Imagine each person creating around 12 pounds of harmful chemical waste a day?

    There are other methods of carbon scrubbing such as those used in coal-fired power plants but none are practicable in small scale personal use due to the nature of the process requiring high temperatures or other chemical related processes. many of these require lithium and then we have the whole argument about the environmental costs of getting that little beauty out of the salts.

    So for those who said ‘wait a minute….maybe…?” ( and i know there are some ) Please don’t bother. Apart from the fact that the effects would be negligible and immeasurable the whole thing would never be practicable.

  93. If the population of the US could suddenly be reduced by half to a more sustainable level, then the goal of halting Catastrophic Global Climate Disruption could almost be reached overnight by halting the release of over 70 Megatons of CO2 annually, just from breathing.

    The same population reduction techniques could then be applied throughout the Western industrialized world until the noble goal of sustainability and bliss could be achieved for mankind forever.

  94. Jimbo says:
    This is a great prank but it highlights our biggest problem- gullible people.

    People keep using that word (gullible), but it’s not a real word. It’s not in the dictionary.

  95. TonyG,

    ‘Gullible’ is in my dictionary:

    adj. easily persuaded to believe something; credulous : an attempt to persuade a gullible public to spend their money.”

    The dictionary example given is perfect for Doha delegates:

    “Some people will believe anything. Those who are truly gullible are the easiest to deceive, which is why they so often make fools of themselves.”

    • A “gull” is a gullible person, as well as a seagull – what the Americans and most English might call a “mug”. I remember being misled by a French dictionary on this point. The teacher told me ” You have the lighthouse surrounded by a crowd of clots” (another equivalent!)

  96. Death worship reaches a new low. There is this thing called 350.org. That is lame. If one is really interested in millenarian, irrational worship of decarbonization, then it has to be 150.org.

    150 PPM = dying biosphere and perhaps the end of it all.

  97. D Böehm says:

    TonyG,

    ‘Gullible’ is in my dictionary:

    I always get at least one :) Thanks for taking it in fun

  98. RockyRoad says:

    No way any of those people would qualify, wikeroy–my son just completed his sub duty as a nuke and said the CO2 levels were kept between 1,000 and 2,000 ppmv; that wouldn’t satisfy any of those COPx people, I’m sure–they’d probably suffocate psychologically, not physically.

    I wonder what level would trigger alarms on a sub as being “too high”.
    Also similar levels can be found in some commercial greenhouses. (About the most sensible way to describe carbon dioxide as a “greenhouse gas”.)

  99. I think its a woderfull idea. It enables the rational to avoid any contact with these nongs, then again the fingers in their ears, singing la,la,la. should have given it away.

  100. Kiwisceptic says (December 4, 2012 at 2:52 pm): “Actually there is some merit in this idea. A colleague of mine often says, “If you can’t convince them of their stupidity, you might as well fleece them!” Someone could make millions manufacturing and marketing this ‘device’ purely to sell to the idiots who think it might help save the planet by sequestering their ‘polluting’ CO2 breath emissions.”

    Too late. The sellers of carbon indulg–er, “credits”–have already been fleecing the gullible for years, e.g.

    http://thegoodhuman.com/2006/12/31/buying-carbon-offsets-which-company-do/

    Given the choice of buying and wearing a cumbersome mask vs a “fire & forget” carbon offset, I think even the most gullible would choose the latter.

    But I could be wrong. :-)

  101. “TonyG says:
    December 5, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    I always get at least one :) Thanks for taking it in fun”

    Make that two.

  102. Whoops!
    To save my reputation. I’ll repost this one.

    But the production of those masks would itself require energy, and thus add to the dreaded CO2. The real, natural, sustainable solution is for everyone to learn not to breathe out.

  103. Major gaffe
    The interviewer rounded WAY DOWN for 2.5 lbs of CO2 x 7 billion people. She said “14 billionish”.

    That understatement is a dead give-away that she is not a Greenie.
    No Greenie would not overstate and then round upwards.

    .

    • I think you’re confusing the weight of carbon (the 14 billionish) with the weight of carbon dioxide. But the sound quality wasn’t that good.

      What interests me is how CFACT managed to get a stand at the Expo. You’d have expected the organizers to have refused their application when they saw the nature of the body and what it stood for.

  104. <advertisement>

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  105. Just a thought: it’s easier to trap oxygen on the way in. No O2 means no CO2. They seem to be on low doses of it anyway. If they would breathe ocean water instead, we could combat sea-level rise as well.

  106. Investors Business Daily: Monckton Ejected From U.N. Meeting For Telling Truth

    Stifling Dissent: A lone voice cried out against the global warming sham at the United Nations climate change conference and it was unceremoniously silenced. What are the alarmists afraid of?

    The Guardian: Ukip’s Lord Monckton thrown out of Doha climate talks

    Party’s former deputy leader impersonates Burmese delegate and tells conference ‘there’s no global warming’

    Express: PEER IS EJECTED FROM UN

    Note also:
    South China Morning Post: Whatever happened to global warming for the past 16 years?

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