Doha delegates, pwned

Would you wear a mask to prevent CO2 exhalation? Surprisingly, many said yes.

Guest post by Paul Driessen

With the climate talks in Doha, Qatar limping along, and support for a new treaty waning among nations in attendance, one might expect spirits to be down among the global warming faithful. But this is not the case.

Yes, nations like Canada, New Zealand, and Japan seem eager to withdraw from the process. And yes, nature has not been exactly cooperative, with 16 years of no statistically significant warming. However, delegates here at COP 18 remain steadfast in their cause and willing to do almost anything it takes to “save the earth.”

CFACT highlighted this eagerness to go to extremes by introducing a new gadget called the “sequestration of exhalation device” — a mask that would filter CO2 from a person’s breath. Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.

Here’s a video of the interviews and responses: 

Of course the mask really did no such thing, but those questioned were unaware that the proposition being made was done in sport. A few actually said they would have their children wear the mask, even going as far as to say their pets could wear a filtration mask too.

Among those trying the mask were members of the IPCC and World Meteorological Organization — two of the leading scientific bodies supporting global warming investigations. Although they were unwilling to use the mask themselves, they did entertain its usefulness and give their input on the notion.

If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action? Stay tuned: Visit www.CFACT.org for updates on COP18.

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jeff

so how again is this an “own”? CFACT making fools out of themselves?

Graham

My god they are so stupid and unquestioning!!

RockyRoad

jeff says:
December 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm

so how again is this an “own”? CFACT making fools out of themselves?

Is your exhalative sequestration device obstructing your vision, jeff?

PaulH

Considering how the Doha conference delegates are consumed by ideology, this trick is almost too easy.
/snark

dr. lumpus spookytooth, phd.

@jeff
so how again is this not an “own”. CFACT made fools out of your boys Jeff and I think that’s the true source of your frustration. You know what too, Jeff probably thinks this is a great idea and is mad we’re making fun of it.
ho ho ho, merry christmas.

steve fitzpatrick

What a scream! At least it is clear where they are coming from.

@jeff,
Who is being made a fool of?
Not only is the capture of CO2 totally insignificant, but the manufacture of the mask, replacement materials, and shipping create many times more CO2 than they can hope to capture. To top it off, the usage might create a hazardous waste disposal issue — it is probably classified as a biohazard after being worn a while. I mean, would you share a used mask?
The only part of the story that needs verification is that there are some people attending Doha that actually entertained the idea for longer than a split second. If there are, my hat’s off to CFACT for an inspired bit of farce. I hope they took names.

Eric

Jeff-
Not sure how you see it as CFACT making fools of themselves…looks to me like they made fools of the COP 18 delegates…therefore COP was ‘pwnd’.

Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing! I expected independence from self-proclaimed independent thinkers.
REPLY: we have no control over the ads, they are placed there by the ad company, and are based on your previous search contexts. You should be disappointed with yourself first, becuase your web history dictates the sort of ads that show up. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_targeting – Anthony

Allencic

Absolute proof that the world supply of gullible morons will never be depleted. These fools deserve to have their fortunes taken away and lives ruined in the name of saving the planet. Not so the rest of the people who actually have functioning brain cells.

richardscourtney

Jeff:
I refuse to accept that you are as stupid as you pretend to be with your post at December 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm which in total is

so how again is this an “own”? CFACT making fools out of themselves?

The mask is a daft idea for several reasons and those attending the COP could be expected to have sufficient knowledge to understand that. But CFACT demonstrated that some of them don’t.
The delegates made “fools of themselves” and there is no way that CFACT did.
Importantly, as the article concludes

If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action?

Richard

Humorous spoofs like this must inject a little levity into the lives of the attendants of dreary gatherings like this one at Doha. They must be very depressed in Doha looking at the static temperatures and the accelerating rise of CO2 levels making all the plants grow better and faster to feed the poor,

Ipcc members? Who exactly?
Ps please nobody explain what’s wrong with the idea of a Co2 mask. Let’s see how many fools there are among the commenters.

Ferret

It does show the mindset of these people who are making decisions. Any snake oil salesman can earn a pretty penny from these people as long as you act like you are saving the world.

Richdo

A mask for the other end might be more benificial. Not sure what the GHG emissions are but the reduction in odor would probably be appreciated by all on those long plane rides to exotic destinations.

Tim Walker

LOL this is funny.

AndyW

Jeff – it allows us to laugh at the gullibility of alarmists, whilst also highlighting the very valid point that these people will try and force their ideas on anyone (or any child). Like all the best comedy it makes you laugh and squirm at the same time

David Schofield

This is on a par with getting them to sign a petition against the use of dihydrogen monoxide at a previous conference.

AndyG55

seriously , Jeff…. roflmao !!!
The only fools are those who think sequestering the CO2 in exhaled breathe would make one iota of difference to anything !! And wearing a mask to sequester carbon dioxide.. hilarious.
But, even more hilarious is your response., Jeff
ouch, my sides hurt !

Steve C

Splendid prank – wish I’d thought of it. Like the “campaign” to “ban dihydrogen monoxide”, it instantly catches the knee-jerk idiots who do not take the trouble to “engage brain before putting mouth in gear”. You should have taken a generous stock of them – you’d probably have turned a handsome profit when they caught on. 😀

AndyG55

ps.. I luv it when the total and utter ignorance of the CAGW adherent is so blatantly exposed.

A Prime example of people that have been educated way beyond their intelligence. Lenin call them useful fools. pg

wikeroy

“Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.”
Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines. Working for free, of course, to save the earth. Submarines filter CO2 all the time…

Goldie

In the early days of mad cow disease in the uk one minister had his children eat a beef burger on TV only to later find that mad cow disease presented a real threat. In this case of course the opposite would be true. I would imagine that the delegates will be sequestering plenty enough carbon as they dash to the canteen between long periods of sitting down.

emmaliza

PT Barnum’s famous statement that you could never overestimate the public’s gullibility, could be rephrased to apply to these people. Many apparently have a need to feel threatened coupled with a need to make everyone else miserable; it’s probably a psychiatric disorder of some type.

Jordan

Watch the eyes when the interviewee is asked if they would wear the mask. Most of them break eye contact and those brief glances into the distance give the game away.

What Did I Tell You!?

“The Green House Gas Effect has finally been harnessed and put into a useful, working instrument. It turns the carbon dioxide in your breath into heat!”
Minutes later, when they swoon, tell em
“Nah, I just blocked the exhale ports. Nobody’s ever found a way to make the Greenhouse Gas Effect do actual work in a machine, ” to the hilarious guffaws of all in earshot.
It just goes to show just because people want to control what the other guy does, thinks, or says,
doesn’t mean they’re going to limit themself to the same constraints.
Their fellow man is there to degrade, blame, and ultimately use.
If you want to breathe, pay me.
What’s the next step? Humiliation for not going along.
“If you want to be critical of the gas do it wearing this gas mask.”
” Now how do you feel? You feel absolutely silly, don’t you? Complaining about this mask when it’s agreed all around, this gas has wondrous properties. It’s a pollutant and it doesn’t matter if no one has ever found anything it polluted, you’re a silly and a selfish person for ruining the dialog, complaining behind your mask that CO2 isn’t really a pollutant.”
Next step?
Want to have a child? Pay the government in advance for the years 0-18, for carbon pollution.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Among those trying the mask were members of the IPCC and World Meteorological Organization — two of the leading scientific bodies supporting global warming investigations. Although they were unwilling to use the mask themselves, they did entertain its usefulness and give their input on the notion.
If COP 18 attendees are willing to consent to wearing an invasive mask, just how far are they willing to cajole, push, or coerce the rest of the world to take action? (…)

But there is the answer right there. They will say such measures make sense, they are a good idea, they’ll even say they are willing to accept such measures themselves. But when it comes to actually doing it, 24/7/365.25, they don’t want to. But they do like to buy carbon credits and claim they are sacrificing just as much.
And if you can’t afford or obtain your own carbon credits, or are in a poor country with a kleptocratic government that has stolen your right to pursue prosperity in return for foreign payoffs for carbon austerity, here’s your mask. It really doesn’t change much, as to those in power you were faceless anyway.

“Would you wear a mask to prevent CO2 exhalation? Surprisingly, many said yes.”
Oh please – pretty please – this has to be the quote of the week! I was hugely fortunate in not having a mouthful of coffee at the time I read this, I’d have coffe-blasted the walls and the ceiling, too!
🙂

catweazle666

Hey Jeff, what are your thoughts on dihydrogen monoxide – the World’s most potent greenhouse gas?

RockyRoad

wikeroy says:
December 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm

“Conference delegates were asked if they would wear such a mask if it would filter out all the CO2 they exhale. Surprisingly, many said yes.”
Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines. Working for free, of course, to save the earth. Submarines filter CO2 all the time…

No way any of those people would qualify, wikeroy–my son just completed his sub duty as a nuke and said the CO2 levels were kept between 1,000 and 2,000 ppmv; that wouldn’t satisfy any of those COPx people, I’m sure–they’d probably suffocate psychologically, not physically.

Jordan

Carol Fischer says: “Can’t believe the kind of ads on this page. So disappointing!”
Anthony replies: “You should be disappointed with yourself first, becuase your web history dictates the sort of ads that show up”
So funny!
Carol – is it time to have a word with hubby?

What Did I Tell You!?

“Delegates were delighted to hear that the CO2 trapped in their masks would grow slightly warmer as CO2 levels built up, but said they didn’t mind if it showed their dedication to the consensus that Greenhouse Gases really do have an effect on life in everyday ways. The effect of the mask they said, usually was to make them grateful they had a ready source of always-heating-everything-around-it gas.”

Kiwisceptic

Actually there is some merit in this idea. A colleague of mine often says, “If you can’t convince them of their stupidity, you might as well fleece them!” Someone could make millions manufacturing and marketing this ‘device’ purely to sell to the idiots who think it might help save the planet by sequestering their ‘polluting’ CO2 breath emissions. They are fools enough to fall for the CAGW scam in the first place so you might as well take their money. I love it. You could make them in different colours, some with speed stripes even and some for pets and the fashionably-aware.

MattS

@wikeroy,
“Why don’t the US. Navy send some press-gangs down there? They cold collect a lot of crew members for their submarines.”
Because the US Navy wants submariners that are at least semi-itelligent. When you use forced conscription either by draft or press-gangs what you generally end up with is incompetent human trash.

RHS

Are these the same people who signed the petition which would ban dihydrogen monoxide because of the dangers posed not only to the environment but also to human due to the suffocation risk a couple of conferences ago? Trying to ban water must have been a riot as most of the attendees actually signed the petition.

Pwned = punked & owned.

Kiwisceptic

Actually there is some merit in this idea. A colleague of mine often says, “If you can’t convince them of their stupidity, you might as well fleece them!” Someone could make millions manufacturing and marketing this ‘device’ purely to sell to the idiots who think it might help save the planet by sequestering their ‘polluting’ CO2 breath emissions. They are fools enough to fall for the CAGW scam in the first place so you might as well take their money. I love it. You could make them in different colours, some with speed stripes, some for pets and the fashionably-aware.

Paul in Sweden

Good idea but I would think that in addition to the mask more than half of the people could have also been convinced to put a rubber boot on their heads.

DR

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Lady Life Grows

What they would not be willing to do is admit that they’ve been suckered–and that their efforts have harmed the living world.
Every living thing on Earth traces its origins to the biochemical reduction (removal of oxygen) of CO2. Attacking CO2 is attacking the basis of life.
We are slowly reaching the general public, with the help of 16 years of non-warming. And that brings up the subject of graphs: just about everyone on Earth over 6 or 7 has seen Michael Mann’s discredited hockey stick. WUWT published a graph around a year ago that is far more impressive to those with mathematical understanding. It was a graph of average global temperatures versus number of weather stations. In the 1980’s, the “least reliable” temperature stations were removed from the records. Temperatures rose at exactly the same points. Somehow, the deleted stations were always the coldest ones.
I described that to a health professional, college degree. She could not understand what would happen to the average if you removed all the lowest points. I told her the average would rise. But while most of the public does not understand this easily, al large percentage DO understand, and would explain what this means to their neighbors.
People WORKED to make Mann’s graph the cultural icon it became. WUWT should republish that graph at least once a week, and make it very easy to find.
The real sources of global warming are twofold: (1) the urban heat island, including increasing use of air conditioners and other warming devices, and (2) manipulation of the data as shown unambiguously in your graph.
Perhaps you are afraid to do so. Our people frequently talk of their belief that the real reason for the global warming hoax is social control or financial (Gore heavily invested in carbon credits as one example). That graph strongly points to “conspiracy” of a small group of people able to sell nonsense to the entire world. Wide publication of that graph would tend to expose them, and those are very, very powerful people, who have been know to commit murder to protect themselves.
Every living thing depends on carbon dioxide for its well-being. I have been tempted to sell home carbon dioxide removal device to alarmists. But it would be attempted murder–as a physiologist, I know that carbon dioxide levels are low and not high, and that lower levels would shorten life while higher levels raise longevity. We are talking plant growth to feed people–and all endangered species. We are talking return to geologically more typical CO2 levels, which must logically benefit more species than would be harmed.
Health, wealth, vitality,longevity, material abundance. Are those things worth taking any risk for?

Skeptik

Should have asked the fools if they were prepared not to go to useless conferences. Try the link http://ecofx.org/wiki/index.php?title=Airline

Mike Smith

Just shows how far removed these folks are from any scientific or physical reality. The whole conference is living in its own little self-constructed LaLa land.

Who is Richard Windsor?

At least one of the “consensus” “2500 experts” or “scientists” or whatever they purport to be is a grade AAA certified moron, who shouldn’t be allowed to put his own socks on for his own safety. I have a suspicion that there are many more just like that one.

Cam_S

This kind of mindset reminds me of the argument that we should all stop exercising, because we produce more CO2 when we exert ourselves.
Doha should pass some sort of motion to ban exercise. Imagine how much mankind could lower our CO2 emissions if we stopped exhaling. (Yes! I’m being sarcastic.)
From August 2008;
Extremely fit have larger carbon footprints than do couch potatoes: scientific study
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=173

Ilma630

Aw, shucks! Got beaten to the ‘Dihydrogen Monoxide’ bit, which was even funnier as it takes even less brain power for all those ‘expert climate scuentists’ to see through the ruse than the CO2 mask.
What glorious fun 🙂

Pat

Fools

View from the Solent

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

Yeah. They say they would because they think they should. Do you. believe any of them actually would for more than 5 minutes?

Jolly farmer

Jeff, and those on film, bring to mind the catchphrases of the late, great Eric Morecombe:
“This boy’s a fool.”
“What do you think of it so far?”
“Rubbish!”
“All the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order.”