Australians just aren’t going to know what rainfall is

While the Waragamba dam overflows in NSW, and the Sydney Morning Herald reports…

‘Unprecedented amount of rain’: flood evacuations after Sydney dam spills

Waragamba dam overflows for the first time in years. The last time Warragamba Dam was full was in 1997.

…and many Australians wonder just what the hell they ARE paying drought doomsayer turned discredited climate commissioner Tim Flannery for…at  Andrew Bolt’s blog, he writes about some of the BS that have come from warmists who said a few years back that Australia would not see rain like this again, but they won’t admit it now. I don’t usually repost articles in entirety, but Mr. Bolt uses WUWT material regularly, so I don’t think he’ll mind and this needs to be seen. These scientists are shameless.

The quotes that warmists claim don’t exist

By Andrew Bolt

I’ve already written about the deception in this piece by Anthony Sharwood, who falsely claims sceptics accuse alarmist scientist of saying it “would never rain again”.

The accusation is inherently preposterous. Never rain again? In fact, the accusation – and the truth – is that many warming alarmists claimed we’d get less rain, with some even tipping a “permanent drought” and empty dams. See the quotes here.

But I’ve since been sent even more quotes that suggest Sharwood was hoodwinked by the National Climate Centre – or that the NCC itself is incapable of proper research.

Let’s focus on the highlighted part of Sharwood’s defence of climate scientists:

Dr Karl Braganza of the National Climate Centre… says that any prediction whatsoever of higher or lower rainfall as a result of climate change is complete bunkum.

That’ll come as a surprise to those who promoted the straw man argument that the climate scientists all told us in the midst of the drought that it would never rain again.

In fact, the reputable scientists never said anything of the sort.

“I have trawled everything we put out to see if someone from one of our offices said anything like this, but no, we definitely never put out statements that it would never rain again,” says Dr Karl.

“The scientists at the BoM (Bureau of Meteorology)and CSIRO made continuous statements that the drought will end, and that [the dry spell in the 2000s] wasn’t permanent…”

Here’s all of that in a nutshell. No one reputable ever said it wouldn’t rain again. All they said is, it’s getting warmer and we don’t really know what comes next. Maybe it’s more rain. Maybe it’s less. We’re still working on that.

No predictions were made about future rainfall? Any predictions were “bunkum”? “We’re still working on that”?

The barest research of statements by the Bureau of Meteorology or the CSIRO by Sharwood or Breganza would have revealed all that to be nonsense. Spokesmen of both warmist insitutions said exactly what Breganza denies. Examples:


The Sydney Morning Herald in 2008:

This drought may never break

IT MAY be time to stop describing south-eastern Australia as gripped by drought and instead accept the extreme dry as permanent, one of the nation’s most senior weather experts warned yesterday.

“Perhaps we should call it our new climate,” said the Bureau of Meteorology’s head of climate analysis, David Jones….

“There is a debate in the climate community, after … close to 12 years of drought, whether this is something permanent. Certainly, in terms of temperature, that seems to be our reality, and that there is no turning back….”

The Bureau of Meteorology’s Jones to the University of East Anglia in 2007:


Truth be know, climate change here is now running so rampant that we don’t need meteorological data to see it. Almost everyone of our cities is on the verge of running out of water and our largest irrigation system (the Murray Darling Basin is on the verge of collapse…

The Bureau of Meteorology’s Jones in The Age in 2008:

Should Victorians view this drought as climate change? This drought is now far beyond our historical experience. It is very difficult to make a case that this is just simply a run of bad luck driven by a natural cycle and that a return to more normal rainfall is inevitable, as some would hope.

Climate change caused by humans is now acting to make droughts more severe and increasingly likely… Regardless of the underlying cause, the drought provides Victorians with a snapshot of a hot and dry future that we all will collectively face.

The Age in 2009:

A three-year collaboration between the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO has confirmed what many scientists long suspected: that the 13-year drought is not just a natural dry stretch but a shift related to climate change…

‘’It’s reasonable to say that a lot of the current drought of the last 12 to 13 years is due to ongoing global warming,’’ said the bureau’s Bertrand Timbal.

‘’In the minds of a lot of people, the rainfall we had in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s was a benchmark. A lot of our [water and agriculture] planning was done during that time. But we are just not going to have that sort of good rain again as long as the system is warming up.’’…

CSIRO in June 2010:

Climate model projections for the coming decades indicate an increased risk of below average rainfall for south-eastern Australia….The current rainfall decline is in part attributed to climate change, raising the possibility that the current dry conditions may persist, and possibly intensify, as has been the case in south-west Western Australia.

CSIRO press release in October 2010:

Senator Wong said the findings of CSIRO’s South-West Western Australia Sustainable Yields (SWSY) Project were sobering… The research, which will inform key water planning and management decisions for Perth and the entire south-west of the state, found the region could face a 24 per cent reduction in surface water yields by 2030 under a median future climate, according to CSIRO project leader, Dr Don McFarlane.

CSIRO newsletter in 2007:

Southern Australia will continue to experience a reduction in rainfall in winter and spring, the impact of which will be magnified by increased temperatures…

“Our results provide strong evidence that rising temperatures, hence increasing evaporation due to the enhanced greenhouse effect, impact on Australia’s water resources, in addition to any reduction in rainfall.”

What could partially offset this is an increase in summer rainfall in south east Australia

And if the Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO really had no idea if global warming would bring less water or more, why did they not say so when politicians built hugely expensive desal plants in expection of less rainfall, or warned farmers to prepare for more droughts?

Fact is, they called it wrong. And warmist scientists and journalists don’t want you to know it.

Why?

Climatologist Stewart Franks has written to Breganza to ask if he’d known of some of these statements. We will try to let you know how he responds.

(Thanks to reader Bob.)

UPDATE

Associate Professor Stewart Franks on Tim Flannery and the experts who were so wrong about our drier future:

However, it turns out that it is not just Flannery that has been making incorrect statements – many supposed experts including prominent commentators from the Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO have been making equally incorrect statements. In principle, these people should really know better….

The mistake that Tim Flannery, as well as the numerous expert commentators made, was that they confused climate variability for climate change. The future impact of climate change is very uncertain, but when one “wants to believe”, then it is all too easy to get sucked in and to get it spectacularly wrong.

Breganza has responded to Franks. I do not feel licensed to quote from it, but as I understand it, his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors.

I cannot say I’m impressed.

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106 thoughts on “Australians just aren’t going to know what rainfall is

  1. Keep doing this… keep reminding them of their statements, which were swallowed hook, line and sinker by a gullible media that force-fed it to the public. This is why I say, DON’T MUZZLE THEM… in fact, not only let them get both feet into their mouths, but make sure NOBODY FORGETS.

    Their own words, their own ridiculous alarm-raising, will be their undoing.

    Yeah, Australians won’t know what rain is… Canadians won’t know what ice is… Britons won’t know what snow is… really, really stupid statements, from all involved, and well documented. Can’t walk away from them.

    Climate scientists won’t know what Science is… THAT’s a statement I stand behind…

  2. This is the opposition leader in Australia, Tony Abbott. He hates the carbon tax, he will repeal it, axe the climate commissioner and clean green energy subsidies.

    Go you Beauty!

  3. I see this all the time. Careful speaking to allow ‘plausible deniability’ somewhere down the line. Yet they know exactly what they are doing. Fraudsters.

  4. billions in mothballed desal plants is only the beginning of the damage done by the Alarmists in Australia. the modus operandi in the following link should sound familiar. all u need to know is Hedley Thomas of The Australian newspaper was/is the only reporter getting to the bottom of this very expensive story, relating to the severity of the Brisbane floods last year, and the BOM’s raw data was hardly the place to be looking for an accurate picture:

    10 Feb: Australian: Jared Owens and Rosanne Barrett: Wivenhoe w(a)rning to ‘get on front foot ‘ with The Oz
    A HYDROLOGIST who independently assessed Wivenhoe Dam’s compliance with its manual was hired after praising the efforts of dam engineers and urging them to “get on the front foot” against scrutiny by this newspaper.
    Brisbane hydrologist Greg Roads told Queensland’s floods inquiry yesterday he stood by his March review of Wivenhoe operations, saying the engineers carried out their duties in compliance with the dam’s operating manual…
    Mr Roads was quizzed over his email to SEQWater principal hydrologist Terrence Malone four days after the flood peak on January 13, saying it “looks like you guys did a great job”.
    Mr Roads was responding to an email from Mr Malone thanking him for “supportive comments” he gave in an article published in The Australian that day.
    “I think (reporter) Hedley Thomas has smelled blood,” Mr Roads wrote, copying in Mr Malone’s fellow engineers John Tibaldi, Robert Ayre and John Ruffini.
    “I advised (SEQWater dam and weir planning principal) Barton (Maher) yesterdays (sic) that you guys will need to get on the front foot with him. It shouldn’t be me!”
    Six weeks later, Mr Roads was commissioned to review the engineers’ compliance, sending his report to Mr Tibaldi on March 9.
    Asked how he could have judged the engineers’ work before seeing SEQWater’s account of its actions, Mr Roads said he was intently following raw data on the Bureau of Meteorology website as the disaster unfolded…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/wivenhoe-wrning-to-get-on-front-foot-with-the-oz/story-fn59niix-1226267178158

  5. Sounds like Breganza is resorting to the Zeigler defence.
    Those with longer memories will recall how Nixon’s press secretary Ron Zeigler, when pressed on apparent conflicts between Nixon’s continuing statements on Watergate, declared that the latest statement was ‘operative’, and that all the earlier statements were ‘inoperative’.
    I guess the quotes listed above are all now inoperative ?

  6. “The mistake that Tim Flannery, as well as the numerous expert commentators made, was that they confused climate variability for climate change”.
    —–

    It’s a universal phenomenon. But surely by now, Mr. Flannery and his stooges in the media are saying that “no,no, we always said that climate change = floods”. Or at least, that this is “man-made climate *disruption* – expect more droughts and/or floods, er, and any other type of weather, and they’re all our fault”.

    AGW is a shape-shifting monster that has co-opted the weather, any weather, to it’s cause. My deep sympathies to the Aussies.

  7. We’re also paying for three useless desalination plants. Not much change from $10 billion. Which Dr Flannery is at least partly responsible for in my view.

    The biggest, in Melbourne, is ‘way over budget and has not yet been completed because it has been raining so much the builders haven’t been able to work on it. Irony, what irony?

  8. I have a similar story brewing over at my site.
    I know, I haven’t posted anything in 6 months,
    but there really hasn’t been anything to post about.
    I am working on a larger story at the moment and
    it takes up a considerable amount of my energy.
    So, for now, I thought I would include this story as a sidebar
    to this story you just posted Anthony.

    Just like Flannery is being caught telling lies and half-truths,
    another story of double speak comes from Terry Marsh.
    Marsh is the lead scientist at CEH and if we didn’t know better,
    we could say that he has changed his tune on Climate Change.
    But fortunately, Al Gore’s internet has the real story of
    lies and deceit that has become synonymous among alarmists.

    I call the story,”Following the Trail of Nonsense.” I thought I would
    work of one of your stories and use a similar line.

    I hope you don’t mind.

    Its a simple article. Man supports CAGW. Man gets paid millions supporting CAGW
    with quotes of its worse than we thought. To, Oh, by the way, rising sea levels and flooding
    in the British river ways is a NATURAL PHENOMENA!

    http://climate4all.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/following-the-trail-of-nonsense/

    You will find it entertaining.
    I can only hope that there comes a rebuttal from Marsh.
    Things could get interesting.

    Good Day!

  9. …And. we have desal plants at Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane & a now axed pipeline from the Murray to Melbourne, a temporary dam to prevent salt accumulating in the lower Murray River Lakes, also now dismantled…all these items at huge costs…when rivers and dams have been full or nearly full for close to;2 or 3 years. Much of NSW-NE VIC resembles an inland sea, green grass abounds in the outback and this is the third year in a row of floods and record rains in many areas of Central and Eastern Australia.

  10. As I sit here in Sydney, it is just after 8pm and it is raining. In fact it has been raining almost every day for a few weeks now, and I do not mean drizzle. It is rain. Saves me having to water the garden I suppose …

    I think we may have to become used to years without a summer, just like this year.

  11. “…..his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial [sic] documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors…”.
    Oh, of course, there I was, thinking it was the mentioned scientists’ fault that we’re stuck with these white elephantine desal plants, or the credulous politicians’ fault, and all the time it was the journalists’ fault. Oh, it’s so obvious now. I’ve seen the light! Well, they must be punished then, mustn’t they?
    Seriously though, what a pitiful excuse.

  12. Here is the definition of failure -

    (Dr.) David Jones, of the Australian BoM, February 2009:

    “VICTORIA is likely to come under the influence of another El Nino within the next three years, exacerbating the drought and the likelihood of bushfires, a senior Bureau of Meteorology climate scientist says.

    David Jones, the head of the bureau’s National Climate Centre, said there was some risk of a worsening El Nino event this year, but it was more likely to arrive in 2010 or 2011.

    “We are in the build-up to the next El Nino and already the drought is as bad as it has ever been — in terms of the drought, this may be as good as things get,” Dr Jones said.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/drought-and-fire-here-to-stay-with-el-ninos-return-20090216-899u.html#ixzz1nrZUq1ik

    February, 2012 Australian BoM:

    “Bureau of Meteorology forecaster Peter Newham said February rainfall tended to come in bursts, and this was second year Victoria had received a February drenching as a result of the La Nina weather conditions.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/torrential-downpours-cause-flash-flooding-20120228-1tzjo.html

    Give that man a medal:

    http://www.bom.gov.au/quarterly-focus/archive/index-ozdaymedal.shtml

  13. On top of all that we have now some very expensive desalination plants that ‘cannot be stopped’ and with the dam overflowing, their output sort of just runs back into the ocean.

  14. ”his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors.”

    I’m sure they can show how they attempted to correct the false impression that had been created. Or not.

  15. The fellow has amazing nerve. If there was not a ‘scientific’ expectation for a decrease in rainfall, various state governments would not have spent billions on desalination plants. The Queensland state government has now mothballed theirs. The New South Wales state government is investigating it’s contractual arrangements to see if it can mothball it’s one. The Victorian State government’s plant has not yet been finished, because construction delayed due to wet weather. If no experts were warning against dramatic and short term reductions in rainfall, why the huge rush to build these plants and who exactly did these various governments actually listen to? Are we expected to believe they acted against the recommendations of experts?

  16. A previous discussion on Australian drought predictions by the CSIRO

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/13/climate-disaster-declining-rainfall-rising-sea-levels/

    It contains a rather precise prediction from CSIRO scientists.

    “CSIRO statistician Dr Yun Li and climate physicists Professor Jianping Li and Juan Feng from the Chinese Academy of Sciences remark that since the mid-1970s south-west Western Australia has seen a 15-20 per cent decrease in average winter rainfall, from 323 mm in 1925-1976 to 276 mm from 1976-2003.

    South-west WA – a vast area which includes Perth, the Margaret River wine region and the West Australian wheat belt – receives most of its annual rainfall during winter from passing cold fronts and storms. However, since the mid-1970s, the number of storms in the region have decreased leading to less rainfall with the drier conditions being exacerbated due to more high pressure systems entering the area.

    Modelling suggests a decrease in mean annual rainfall of 7 per cent and a 14 per cent reduction in surface water runoff in the period 2021 to 2050 relative to the period 1961 to 1990. If current climate trends continue, south-west WA will potentially experience 80 per cent more drought-months by 2070.”

    However, in the last couple of years we have seen annual rainfall in southwestern Australia return to long term average levels. And as I observe in the thread above, we saw a similar period of low rainfall early in the 20th century, after which wetter periods returned.

    I also recall another thread which unfortunately I can’t find where I debated a CSIRO scientist who stated that the CSIRO advised the Western Australia government in the 1970s not to extend the agricultural areas eastward as in the future these areas would not receive enough rainfall to make agriculture viable due to ‘climate change’.

  17. There is quite a bit of historical revisionism going on among associate Team members in Australia at present. A notable acolyte is David Jones of the formerly esteemed Bureau of Meterology (quoted above), who was a bit player in the Climategate 2 emails:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climategate_2_how_the_bureaus_david_jones_showed_sceptics

    Mr Jones has been quiet of late – perhaps he is baling water out of his house and yard, as large parts of eastern Australia are currently flooded. But he still has his well paid job at public expense advocating for The Cause.

    Thanks for giving a plug to Andrew Bolt, who has copped years of odium as an alleged Gaia-hating, grandchild-destroying shill of Big Fossil Fuel. And they are some of the nicer things that his opponents have said about him.

  18. Breganza has responded to Franks. I do not feel licensed to quote from it, but as I understand it, his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors.

    So that CSIRO press release in October 2010 and the CSIRO newsletter in 2007 don’t count as “official documents”? **face palm**

  19. “Breganza has responded to Franks. I do not feel licensed to quote from it, but as I understand it, his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors.

    I cannot say I’m impressed.”

    The newspaper is an official document. If there is something written factually incorrect then the jounalists and editors are up for libel or fraud if they don’t print a redaction or correction. The people who provided the quotes did not protest on the written word so it is fact that these people said what was written.

    Everybody in Australia knows that the Australian climate teamsters are fools anyway.

  20. What goes on in Australia by the climate science community is a disgrace. Reputable science organisations have these taxpayer sponsored get-togethers during a 7 year drought and conclude:

    -They suggest that global warming, being caused mostly by humans, is causing a permanent shift to drier conditions in Australia. They say this so that more deslanation dams are built, and less dams (at least 2 were mothballed-one in Victoria, one in NSW), using taxpayer funded money (most of which comes frrom mining, which they are also generally against).
    -The Murray Darling river system they claim is in dire straits, during the 7 year drought, again, they claim, being caused mainly by humans causing a shift to permanent drought. (It promptly flooded the last 2 years). They assumed, like a really bad investor, that a past trend simply means that such a trend will continue. Perhaps, instread of taking money from the taxpayer, every climate science initiative has to involve personal money invested by climate scientists-I wonder then if they would be investing their own money buying back water for the now naturally flooded Murray-Darling Basin.
    -Tim Flannery claimed the dams would never be full again, partly because of the permanent shift to drier conditions, and partly because the soil was too hot (the have since nearly all filled and flooded). Never have I seen a reputable scientist be so stupid, and so out of balance. If he cant correctly assess the (lack of) relationship between soil temperature and water runoff, then how can he correctly assess the relationship between something like CO2 and temperature. (The answer is he can’t, he has made a career mostly out of pandering to the prejudices of the left (you know green good, mining bad; renewable energy good industrialisation bad ; irrigation and dams bad desalination plants good etc etc), which is now causing him trouble when people are actually checking his now defunct claims).
    -They claim the drought was unprecedented, it wasnt. There was a 7 year drought from 1895-1902 called the Federation Drought, and Plimer correctly showed longer droughts up to 10 years or more which have occurred further in the past.
    -They failed to acknowledge that the drier conditions and less cloud cover was also contributing to the apparent temperature warming, the 7 years of drought were particularly warm partly because there were less cloouds and less rain.They never mentioned this anywhere, attributing the 7 year warm period to humans and C02, without looking at the cloud cover. The last 2 years have been noticeably cooler in Australia, which they now correctly note is partly because there is more clouds and more rain. (So when its cooler its because of clouds, but when its warmer its not because of less clouds, but because of C02).

    Amongst other things, Flannery has claimed and got wrong in the past:
    -in the 1990s in the book the Future Eaters he claimed that Aaustrlaia shoudn’t invest in mineral resources because they were in decline and likely to run out soon. They have since boomed.
    -in 2011 in the book the Natural History of Planet Eearth he claimed that mineral desposits (he doesn’t say which ones) are created by microorganims taking minerals out of sea-water-on behalf of gaia- to make the oceans clean, which are then sometimes uplifted and taken out the hills to poison the water again by miners. Most mineral deposits are formed by nature itself-by tectonic and magmatic (ie volcanic) processes, and have nothing to do with micoorganimss in the sea In fact in the entire book, about the geology of the earth, he doesnt mention volcanoes hardly or at all, because in general volcanoes do not generally sit well with the ideology of the green movement. How you can write a book about the geological history of the planet without mentionng volcanoes is beyond me. He also suggests and support the idea that gaia made the crust through the action of microorganisms as a kind of shell, and the atmosphere as a kind of cocoon, which we are now destroying. He also claims mining is the biggest threat to humans and the enviroment, (his standard few pages against mining in virtually every book he writes so as to pander to the prejudices of the green left, something bad must be said about big, bad, evil mining which is going to make the sky fall down and destroy the world. He never once mentions what mining does for Australia, and the world in general (e.g. funds for hospitals, schools, welfare etc), nor that societies are simply unsustainable without it).

    A scientist not happy with the general climate science comunity in Australia.

    T

  21. This guy make me angry everytime he’s on a newscast, or ABC propaganda show. He’s on AU$180k p/a, part-time, for this drivel. Victoria, New South Wales (NSW) and Queensland have all deployed desal plants due, largely, to his advice. Here in NSW the desal plant output has been reduced from 250M/l to only 40M/l per day, yet our water bills rise to pay out the contracts to private operator. If ever Flannery is dicovered to have “vested interests” in desal plants, he’ll pay for it dearly I am sure. Gillard and The Greens really have doing themselves and the country a huge diservice. Anyway, Tim reminds me of this Harry Enfield character…

  22. I sit here, in Sydney, with the rain pouring down outside. It has been flooding in NSW, VIC & South East Queensland (about 65% of Australia’s populated areas) for the last few weeks. Not only that, but we have a tax, for everybody who earn over $A150k, to pay for LAST year’s floods.

    The Australian government is still buying back water rights from farmers and other agricultural businesses, ostensibly to ‘save’ the drought stricken Murray-Darling river system (this river system, for those of you who don’t know Australian geography, is pretty much the supply system for – yep, you guessed it – NSW, VIC & South East QLD) – two years in flood.

    We have been told again, and again, that the ‘drought’ is the new normal; many people (probably more correctly ‘sheeple’), still believe this. This is undoubtably due to to the mis-representations of our Socialist Government, the CSIRO, the Bureau Of Meteorology and severe alarmists such as our climate ‘commissar’ Dr Tim Flannery.

    Each of NSW, VIC & QLD have built desalination plants, ostensibly to provide drinking water to water distressed cities, over the last 5 years. I don’t know the QLD experience but in both NSW & VIC, the operators are being paid to pump the product (water) straight into the ocean, as the dams are overflowing! Interestingly, I believe, that the VIC operator successfully sued the VIC government last year, as the de-sal plant was built in a flood plain (really – I’m not making this up!)

    One of Australia’s most beloved poets, Dorothea Mackellar OBE wrote one of Australia’s best known poems (first published in 1908) that has, at it’s heart, that most Australian’s can quote, the following part-stanza:

    “I love a sunburnt country,
    A land of sweeping plains,
    Of ragged mountain ranges,
    Of droughts and flooding rains.”

    Do you think that these numpties (see numpty, under slang in an Aussie dictionary) will ever learn or admit defeat?

  23. It begs the question what advice the government has been following if these remarks are “”unofficial” If the comments are wrong then what is the official position? No one contradicted them at the time of publication. Perhaps Dr Karl Braganza could enlighten us?

  24. These alarmists started by predicting climate 100 years in the future knowing that noone would be around to check. Then they got cocky and started to reduce the time scale. Now they have been caught out they are on the back foot trying to work out an excuse that fits with their CAGW scenarios.

    Grow up and move into the real world.

  25. ‘Unprecedented amount of rain’: flood evacuations after Sydney dam spills

    Predicted February 29th …

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/tips-notes-2/#comment-908048

    Let the climatologists stick to what they do best – predicting weather, not climate.

    BTW, there’s been a slight delay with my paper using physics to debunk the greenhouse effect, but the reviewers are happy with it and the launch is expected next week sometime.

  26. What is truly bizarre about all these dire predictions from these rabbits ( a feral pest in Australia and accordingly a general term of contempt ) is that the Australian Bureau of meteorology rainfall record, available on line to anyone, clearly shows an INCREASE in rainfall on a continental basis of about 20% since 1900 and even the Murray Darling basin saw an increase over that period. Only two regions saw a rainfall decrease, SW Western Australia and Tasmania, although the latter starts with about twice the rainfall as the mainland and only lost a few %.

    To check for yourself, go to http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi and pay with the parameters.

    These reckless, headline grabbing utterances that Andrew Bolt sets out, when set against the official BOM record, are clear evidence that thse buffoons will say anything that suits their narrative without any evidentiary basis and with an arrogance that sees no need to actually check if they might be wrong.

  27. !984-(revisted?)
    Winston dialled ‘back numbers’ on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes’ delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, as the official phrase had it, to rectify. For example, it appeared from The Times of the seventeenth of March that Big Brother, in his speech of the previous day, had predicted that the South Indian front would remain quiet but that a Eurasian offensive would shortly be launched in North Africa. As it happened, the Eurasian Higher Command had launched its offensive in South India and left North Africa alone. It was therefore necessary to rewrite a paragraph of Big Brother’s speech, in such a way as to make him predict the thing that had actually happened. Or again, The Times of the nineteenth of December had published the official forecasts of the output of various classes of consumption goods in the fourth quarter of 1983, which was also the sixth quarter of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. Today’s issue contained a statement of the actual output, from which it appeared that the forecasts were in every instance grossly wrong. Winston’s job was to rectify the original figures by making them agree with the later ones. As for the third message, it referred to a very simple error which could be set right in a couple of minutes. As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a ‘categorical pledge’ were the official words) that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration during 1984. Actually, as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from thirty grammes to twenty at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration at some time in April.

    As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

  28. My favourite quotation, following the last link in the article, comes from a publication called the ‘The Conversation’ which, according to Bishop Hill, is the Australian site for academic discourse where only climate orthodoxy can be aired. It says, refreshingly :
    ———————————————————————————————————
    The conditions were so bad that Tim Flannery, now Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner, declared rather bizarrely in 2007 that hotter soils meant that “even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems”
    Fast forward to 2012 and we see widespread drenching rains, flooded towns and cities, and dams full to the brim and overtopping. Indeed, the rainfall that we had last year not only filled Brisbane City’s Wivenhoe Dam water supply storage, but also all of its flood mitigation capacity. The resultant releases of water required to prevent a truly catastrophic dam failure contributed to the inundation of large parts of metropolitan Brisbane.
    ——————————————————————————————————
    The worm turns.

  29. Alex the skeptic says:
    March 7, 2012 at 2:53 am
    !984-(revisted?)


    Oh yes, and Tony Abbot is pre-eminent in re-writing his views!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-changes-line-says-he-never-supported-ets/story-e6frfkvr-1226098237952

    “His only redeeming virtue in this remarkable lack of conviction is that every time he announced a new position to me he would preface it with “Mate, mate, I know I am a bit of a weathervane on this, but . . .”.

    Yesterday on radio he said climate change was real and that “humanity does make a contribution to it and we’ve got to take effective action against it”.

    “I mean, that’s my position and that’s always been my position but I’ve never been in favour of a carbon tax or an emissions trading scheme.

    But he backed an ETS when a minister in the cabinet of John Howard. The Howard government took an ETS to the 2007 election and it continued to be Coalition policy in Opposition.

    In October 2009, Mr Abbott said: “We don’t want to play games with the planet. So we are taking this issue seriously and we would like to see an ETS.”

    And in November that year he said: “You can’t have a climate change policy without supporting this ETS at this time.”

    In December 2009, Mr Turnbull wrote of his leadership successor, “Tony himself has, in just four or five months, publicly advocated the blocking of the (ETS), the passing of the ETS, the amending of the ETS and, if the amendments were satisfactory, passing it, and now the blocking of it.

    ————————

    I heard somewhere, really can’t recall where, that Oz had been earmarked some time ago to be the new HQ of UN government – it will be a bit warmer than New York in the coming decades. Something about a new ‘houses of parliament’ built which is oversize for present requirements? And guest list for opening rather odd. Will see if I can find anything on this, unless someone here knows about it.

  30. Breganza has responded to Franks. I do not feel licensed to quote from it, but as I understand it, his argument is that the quotes I’ve produced don’t come from oficial documents but scientists speaking unofficially to journalists without context or the ability to correct errors.

    This begs the question of why did the Australian government[s] build expensive desalination plants (no abandoned)?

    One of the reasons for growing scepticism is not because WUWT and other sceptics are spreading ‘misinformation’ but because people were given predictions and alarming statement, today, they can see with their own lying eyes the outcome. Britons were told to expect milder winters, less snow etc. This is why people are turning away from the CAGW scare. It’s just the weather.

    For anyone who is interested here is a history of Australian droughts with explanations as to why is if often drought prone.

    http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/droughthistory.html

  31. “AGW is a shape-shifting monster that has co-opted the weather, any weather, to it’s cause.”

    This is because global mean temperature ‘rise’ has stalled for well over a decade. If it continues to fail to rise or begins declining then expect more “weather is now climate” nonsense. The are fighting desperately to keep the Global Warming Climate Change religion alive, and it’s just sad and weary. They wouldn’t let go even if we entered another mini-ice age, these are the kinds of fraudster we are dealing with.

  32. It may well be the case that many billions of dollars has been squandered because of a failure to appreciate what was simply nothing more than multidecadal variation.

    What one needs to see is what advice was given to governments. Who took the decision to build the dams and desal plamts and on the basis of what advice?

    I consider that some FOIs addressed to some governmental departments is what is needed to pin this down..

  33. I see this denial as a big opportunity. The warmists are in fact starting to blame the MSM.
    Once the MSM realizes they are now used as the scapegoat for the lies that were told,
    they will hit back hard.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the endgame has begun!

  34. I’d love those warmists from BoM and CSIRO go out to northern Victoria and southern NSW right now and tell those trapped farmers and townships along the Murrumbigee River that they said it would never rain and the basin would collapse years ago. As a consequence many councils in the basin didn’t upgrade levee’s and establish flood relief and flood assistance programs (no need if it’s not going to rain again).

    They’re paying for it now with between 10-15 metres of flood waters destroying the basin.

  35. Maekus Fitzhenry: March 7, 2012 at 12:31 am

    “…This is the opposition leader in Australia, Tony Abbott. He hates the carbon tax, he will repeal it, axe the climate commissioner and clean green energy subsidies….”

    This is the good news Maekus!!

    But… the bad news is Abbott also wants to cancel any mining tax:

    Mining – BHP, RIO, Woodside Petroleum, Newcreast Mining and Fortescue Metals own 75% of all mining activities in Australia – all are majority owned by overseas investors.
    Further: 67 shareholders own 68% of Rio Tinto, and 78 shareholders own 59% of BHP.

    Over the next ten years pre-tax profits for mining will likely be around $600 billion; at present levels of foreign ownership around $500 billion of these profits will end up in the hands of foreign owners.

  36. I’m sure they’ll either spin the rain and floods as proof of climate change or alternately that it’s a blip on the radar, a natural result of climate chaos due to AGW, and the drought will return as “hardly interrupted” , blah, blah, blah…..

  37. It is a fact that the Australian decision to build desalination plants was based and founded on reports undertaken by the so called climate community experts. The reports are open to scrutiny, those individuals and institutions involved are named. And they got it wrong, they were about as wrong as they could be, they started on a false supposition, that the climate models and the UN IPCC reports were correct and reliable and to be believed.

    The Australian government asked for and received a high confidence level assessment that desalination plants were essential, that the consensus dictated that a warming world would mean a drier Australia. And those involved gave that high confidence level assessment, they were mistaken, about as mistaken as its possible to get. Those involved in the assessment received a great deal of funding from the taxpayer, they took the funding and spent it and for the money the public were sold what amounted to a half arsed ill thought out shambles based on computer models.

    Now here is the rub folks, the Australian people paid for the assessment studies and paid generously indeed and they paid for desal units they didnt require and they paid handsomely for them. Is anyone involved going to pay? Will anyone at all be investigated and punished? In the USA a Ponzi scammer is going to spend the rest of his life in prison and his fraud was worth around ten billion. The fraudsters and scammers and Charlatans involved in the desal plants and those who worked so hard to oppose dams and reservoirs all not face any sanction whatsoever, those who made money will keep it, those who gained position and influence will keep it. So long as these people can escape any retribution or sanction for their actions they will pop up again and again like a cold sore.

  38. The problem we have here in Australia is that we’re actually dealing with a real climate and have been since Henry Lawson’s day. We don’t need and don’t deserve activists acting as scientists muddying the water when It’s scarce and pretending they can’t see it when they’re up their necks in it. We can’t really afford these idiots any more.

    ” The skies are brass and the plains are bare,
    Death and ruin are everywhere;
    And all that is left of the last year’s flood
    Is a sickly stream on the grey-black mud;
    The salt-springs bubble and the quagmires quiver,
    And this is the dirge of the Darling River. ”
    The Song Of The Darling River 1889 Henry Lawson 1837 – 1922

  39. The trouble with Tim Flummery and his ilk is they likely cut poetry classes as lads and if they hadn’t they would have understood completely what a 19 year old country girl from Gunnedah in NSW pined for in 1904 from faraway England-

    http://allpoetry.com/poem/8526595-My_Country-by-Dorothea_Mackellar

    The new graduazzi ignorati busy rewriting history while expunging the classics and ramming it down the throats of innocent primary schoolers. All I can say is pay particular attention to the Stranger Danger lessons kiddies and ask your grandparents about the rest of the stuff.

  40. Ask anyone living in the southern hemisphere around the pacific: It rains during summertime up to march or april, in the places where it usually rains, then it ends until the next year. Anything else is not science, less witchcraft (shamans really know about it).
    This case is the same as the one in England where the MET Office said that children would have to be taught about what snow was, as they would not see any.

  41. Note that Mr Sharwood said only that ‘ ..reputable scientists never said anything of the sort’. Nothing in that statment about the disreputable ones :-)

  42. “unofficial” statements? Oh, well, then. Never mind. Seriously, though? These people were only quoted because of their official capacity. No way would the media have given them space if they had insisted on even the usual charade that they were offering only a private opinion not reflective of the institutions they represent and often lead.
    Pull the other one, Breganza.

  43. There’s something almost Biblical about the damage our “false prophets” of AGW Armageddon have wrought. Entire governments have followed them off an economic cliff and yet they prattle on, still being paid to do so by the very governments they are ruining. The mystery remains why the tax payers continue to stand for it. It isn’t as if folks had no eyes with which to see or ears with which to hear (Gee! Is that thunder?).

  44. DaveS says:
    March 7, 2012 at 5:26 am

    Note that Mr Sharwood said only that ‘ ..reputable scientists never said anything of the sort’. Nothing in that statment about the disreputable ones :-)
    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    So, the next logical line would be: The reputable scientists are the skeptical ones.

  45. They can use a fair whack of doublespeak but the message is still the same. Temperature moves up when it isn’t. It is drier/flooding more than it has in the past which is false. On SBS Insight last year they replayed a episode from 2010 that featured Stephen Schnieder with a room full of supposed sceptics. After that repeat they had questions being answered by Prof Penny Wetton. In a stream of comment I will filter the thread that pertains best to this:
    (from a question from someone called Neil who was confused on conflicting results being shown in regards to rainfall and pasture growth)

    Penny Whetton: Neil,

    with regard to rainfall variations and changes in Australia. In the case of southeastern Australia climate change science points to a trend toward drier conditions at the century timescale, but at shorter timescales other natural variations will be superimposed such as the effect of El Nino variations or decadal long variations. Natural wet spells could mask a drying signal for a deacade or two. In Queensland, unlike in the south the sceince doesnt even say whcih way the rainfall may change. However drought could also still increase due increased evaporation due to higher temperatures

    This answer piqued my interest so I responded:

    Comment From shortieshortie: ]
    Penny, the BOMs figures do not match the dry signal. The later half of last century was wetter than the early half. Victoria had more extreme droughts (2 of them) between 1917-1944 I believe. On extreme events like flooding over double those events were observed in 19th century South-east QLD over 20th to early 21st century south-east QLD. I believe its difficult to say its worse when neither droughts nor extreme events are agreeing with that.

    Her response:

    Penny Whetton: Shortie

    You are are asking if we the rainfall variations in victoria over the past century are consistent with a drier climate. It is too early to say for sure. yes it was wetter post 1950 than in the fifty years before that. however the past 15 years have been very dry. Rainfall is very variable naturally, and it may be that we need to wait a another decade for the greenhouse trends to be really clear against the noise. However that is not the case the temperature. the warming signal is very clear in victoria as it is in other parts of Australia
    —————————————————————————————————

    As we know the warming trend has been manufactured in most parts of Australia as has been demonstrated by Warwick Hughes for a few of the key sites quoted by the IPCC even so the rhetoric continues. FWIW I should have mentioned that over double of those flooding events actually happened between 1840-1900 in South-east QLD not the whole century and was double the 110 years after it. So during the period of ‘man-made’ global warming eastern Australia on average became wetter even though they predict more droughts….

  46. Yeah, my wallet is hurting from all the bulldust that flies around in Australia. Even to the extent that the dopey politicians in Queensland decided that they didn’t want insurance for floods or any other disaster. So when a flood happens guess who pays for it – everybody. When theres a drought guess who pays for it – everbody. We even have stupid bureaucrats advertising on the telly that we should save power between 4 and 9 pm. Perhaps it hasn’t dawned on them that those are the only times people are at home. The rest of the time we’re at work, paying taxes, so we can keep these idiots in jobs where they treat us like we’re scum for wanting to watch the telly or put a fan on.
    Meanwhile and with Australia being about the only country in the developed world that’s showing any growth, the marxists and the Greens want to lumber us with a mining tax and a carbon tax at $20 dollars a tonne. Seems that they don’t realise that you can only get so much juice from a lemon no matter how hard you squeeze it.

  47. Why does Oz seem like a company run by a bunch of disgruntled employees while the boss is on leave .

  48. This is what our lying Prime Minister Julia Gillard said on the eve of the last election when Labor’s internal polling told her the Party would be decimated if she didn’t make such a declaration:
    “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”, promising to allow consultation, an informed debate and get a genuine consensus before attempting to do so in later years!
    The result was a hung Parliament. She then bought the support of the sole elected Green plus three self-serving Independents, two of whom went against the wishes of their electorate, in order to retain power.

    She then broke her election promise, and introduced a carbon tax, subsequently saying “I expect my government to take advice from CSIRO, BoM and Science Acadamies “..

    To understand how she bought the advice she wanted from these sources see this article:

    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/04/professor-points-out-its-a-less-than-nobel-consensus/

    Now have a look at this lying unscientific drivel from her when she announced the carbon dioxide tax.

    Coupled with the resurfacing of questions about her involvement in the Australian Workers Union fraud several years earlier, it’s no wonder she is trying bring in draconian restrictions on freedom of speech!

  49. From the article…

    “New data from the Bureau of Meteorology released yesterday showed an average 123.9 millimetres of rain fell across the state last week – a deluge not seen since January 1974.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/no-ordinary-downpour-the-equal-wettest-on-record-20120307-1ukmi.html

    Humm, that date has a familiar ring to it.

    “The bureau described the rain as “extraordinary”.

    “It is very rare to have such persistent, record-breaking rainfall over such large areas of NSW and Victoria,” said the NSW Climate Manager, Aaron Coutts-Smith.”

    Extraordinary, in 1974 too. WOW! I had no idea NSW hada “Climate Manager”. He’s clearly not paid as much as Tim Flannery. SHEESH!

  50. in passing, note the premeditated dodge about “official documents”: standard M.O. is to make all “official documents” so full of doublespeak and faux-technical nonsense that they mean nothing at all. THEN the “scientists” and various ministers come out and “unofficially” say what it all meant, and base policy on that.

    That way, when the explanations have to be walked back, the offenders can *always* say “oh that wasn’t in the official document, can’t blame them.” And the “official documents” can then be used to justify any new jabberwocky hunt that seems currently popular.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

  51. dtbronzich says:
    March 7, 2012 at 4:41 am
    I’m sure they’ll either spin the rain and floods as proof of climate change or alternately that it’s a blip on the radar, a natural result of climate chaos due to AGW, and the drought will return as “hardly interrupted” , blah, blah, blah…..

    Get up to speed boy! Or girl. These climate criminals are costing people an arm and a leg. They will stop at nothing with their lies, U-turns, deceptions and double talk. Thank God for the Internet.

    February 6, 2012
    Flooding, other effects of climate change expose Australians to toxic contamination
    ““Most of our urban landfills contain highly toxic substances from past decades – and were designed for the climatic conditions at the time. These have now changed, with the risk of bigger and more frequent floods, droughts, heat and acidity releasing substances we thought were gone for good,” says Prof. Naidu, the director of the CRC for Contamination Assessment and Remediation of the Environment”

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/293370/20120206/flooding-effects-climate-change-exposes-australians-toxic.htm

    Ditto with last year’s floods. What a load of horse sh** Australians should now prepare for more droughtflood.

  52. This really isn’t fair. Did those experts know that somebody was going to record their actual words and quote them back to us years later?

    We need a Ministry of Truth to go back and clean up history, so we can’t unfairly use something against somebody years later. Perhaps this could be a new Google Labs project?

  53. So his position is that “when I’m right just consider everything I say official and when I’m wrong forget about it.”

  54. Well, at least the Aussie cities had the sense to build desal plants. With luck and maintenance they’ll be usable when the next drought strikes.

    American governments still haven’t heard of desalination, even in coastal cities that are permanently short of water.

  55. Nevertheless, 2012 Rio Earth´s summit goes!. Nothing has changed, everything is alright guys, we´ll meet at Rio!
    Deniers and skeptics can say anything, however we got the power, we got the money and, don´t forget it, we got the UN!, those poor fools will be defeated by boredom!

  56. These plants are a perfect example of why the Do Something! attitude is wrong. Often the argument is made that we should hedge our bets and do this or that just in case, well here’s the result. And it’s the same thing that happened en masse in the old USSR when they tried to direct and manage markets instead of letting them order themselves. Christ knows how much money was sunk into these projects and how much of that is now recoverable and how much isn’t? How many more rusted out unusable old buildings and plants to we need to litter the landscape until these people learn the definition of captial consumption and opportunity cost?

    The economic ignorance of the warmistas is astounding.

  57. A commenter on an earlier Andrew Bolt blog says of the tremendous amount of rain now falling on eastern Australia that, in the minds of the alarmists, should never happen:

    “My wife and I have decided that every inch of rain that we measure in the rain gauge will now be called a FLANNERY in honour of the great scientist and former Australian of the year.

    It’s catching on. The whole neighbourhood is calling them flanneries.

    We had 87mm ….almost 3 Flanneries.
    There’s now a sign at the local shop and he calls them Flanneries as well.

    He may have got it very wrong but we are determined never to forget the great man.”

    Forgive him for the mathmatical error, 87mm is actually 3.5 Flanneries, the measurement of rain in “Flanneries” seems like an excellent way to memorialise man’s stupidity. The only question I have is whether the word should commence with an upper case or lower case “f”

  58. So the journalists were lying about a decrease of rainfalls. The government has spent billions on desal plants. And the scientist paid by the government(the tax payers), didn’t care to denounce the lies. I don’t think it sounds better for those scientists.

  59. Jimbo, that was the point of what I wrote, no matter what occurs, they’ll manage to spin it to their advantage, i.e. taxation, more grants, etc.

  60. Meanwhile Lake Eyre is filling for the 4th time in a row…it had only filled twice in the last 100 years!

    And they have moved the filming of the new MadMax movie to Namibia because the Outback has been too green for several years running!

  61. Yeah, as Clinton would almost say, “It all depends on what you say ‘say’ means”.

    Theorum 1: Breganza says scientists are speaking to journalists, using their credentials as members of scientific organizations, in a format where errors cannot be corrected.
    Corollary 1: These scientists that belong to these organizations make errors. Fairly often.
    Corollary 2: All statements to the press from individual scientists should be ignored.
    Corollary 3: Including the one just issued by Breganza.
    Corollary 4: Breganza has declared that CSIRO webpages, newsletters, and press releases are not official statements by reputable scientists, and therefore these too should be ignored.

    I can see the cartoon: Mom and Pop figures labeled Breganza, sitting on a couch, Pop looks sad with his arm wrapped behind his wife, while Mom bawls out, “Honestly, they’re like hooligans! We tried to raise them right, but as soon as they get out at night, they go round to some sleazy journalist on the corner, and start spouting nonsense, and there they are misusing our good name! And we can’t do a thing about it. It’s not like when we were younger, you know…” and in the background, a little hooligan labeled “Scientist” with a big grin saying “Permanent Drought!”

    Could all be fixed, of course, if the organizations required the individual scientists to add the caveat “These are my opinions alone, which may or may not be representative of my organization or of any scientific consensus” to any statement that journalists publish. Or, alternatively, if the organizations published official denials whenever one of these scientists-gone-wild steps out of bounds. But that’s not going to happen. And since it isn’t going to happen, Breganza’s attempt to divorce the official organizations from the opinions represented by the individual scientists is going to sound obviously lame.

  62. CSIRO predicted approx. 10% decrease in rainfall by 2030.

    http://www.csiro.au/files/files/p6fy.pdf

    In particular refer to Figure 2.

    Assessments in scientific reports are inevitably more qualified than public or media statements given by experts, or their lecturing to politicians. Unfortunately, the public, media and politicians generally do not read scientific reports, but act on the sound bites presented to them by the experts.

  63. George Will has written some columns about Climate FAIL predictions of Global Cooling from the 70s. Warmists typically pooh-pooh those FAILS, saying that even though a few scientists were concerned about cooling, there was no consensus as there is today. I would love for George Will to write an article that begins to document current-day FAILS. I see that Anthony has started to document some of the FAILS on the home page menu, but I don’t think it is very complete. Thanks for the blog! I enjoy following fairly regularly.

  64. If you look out the window and say it’s raining, or it’s not, or it’s hot, or it’s not, you’re talking about weather, not climate.
    So, Australia had an “almost” unprecedented drought (one dares not say that without qualification) that basically lasted 15 years. People quickly forget the farmers walking off their land, the gaunt sheep and cattle, the appalling bushfires and massive dust-storms. Most of the dams supplying water to the major cities got so low towards the end that they realised they did not have an insurance policy against the drought continuing. They wisely built desalination plants, just in case. Costly as hell? Sure, but it beats running dry: imagine being the politician left to explain why they DIDN’T build desal plants when they had the chance.Currently looking like white elephants? Sure? Now we’re having “almost” unprecedented heavy rainfall. So? Australia already had the world’s most extreme climate variations. Yes, but now the rain’s coming from massive evaporation from the Indian Ocean, where the surface temperature is running at 3 degrees C above normal. Isn’t this just a foretaste of the sort of scenario the “alarmists” have been saying will (eventually) become more the norm? Longer, hotter, drier droughts, punctuated by more extreme rainfall events? If you really dig, rather than accept the word of the paid entertainer Andrew Bolt, you will most likely find that all these “warmist” cherry-picked quotes being trotted out were made in the context of what Australia is likely to experience EVENTUALLY – let’s say by 2100, not by 2012. Bolt is just taking his usual cheap, cheap shot.

  65. And if the Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO really had no idea if global warming would bring less water or more, why did they not say so when politicians built hugely expensive desal plants in expection of less rainfall, or warned farmers to prepare for more droughts?

    Fact is, they called it wrong. And warmist scientists and journalists don’t want you to know it.
    =============
    The BOM has made forecasts from the point where they really got it wrong to the present. The forecasts are public for the record statements. To be fair, they really got it wrong 14 months ago and may have changed their modeling.

    The Desal plants will come in handy during the next dry spell but it doesn’t seem logical to run them when the water isn’t needed. Is there a design flaw like they’ll sink if they aren’t always running?

  66. polistra says:
    March 7, 2012 at 7:34 am
    Well, at least the Aussie cities had the sense to build desal plants. With luck and maintenance they’ll be usable when the next drought strikes.
    American governments still haven’t heard of desalination, even in coastal cities that are permanently short of water.
    =========
    Wrong!
    Desalination plants quench cities’ thirst
    Ed Brock, American City and County
    Jan. 1, 2009

    Of the 1,416 desalination plants operating in the United States, 53.8 percent are used to filter brackish water, according to IDA. For example, the 27.5 million-gallon-per-day (mgd) Kay Bailey Hutchison desalination facilities that opened in 2007 in El Paso, Texas, treat brackish water to supplement the city’s fresh water supply from the Rio Grande.

    In the United States, 65 new plants are planned or under construction, including one in Carlsbad, Calif., which will be the largest in the Western Hemisphere.

    source: http://americancityandcounty.com/water/treatment/desalination-plants-city-water-source-200901

  67. Just took a look at the IDA site and ran across this:

    Desalination Myths and Misconceptions

    http://bcove.me/w50u7o5v

    Pretty amazing but it implies that many Australian desalination plans are powered by wind farms. No wonder they were so costly to build?

  68. @boobialla
    The point is that none of this is unprecedented, so it’s not a snapshot of how it is going to be, its a snapshot of how it is and was. Nothing has really changed, including our inability to remember that Australia gets long periods of drought followed by heavy rains.
    So my point is, why all the alarmist bulldust. We need to build for climate robustness simply to cope with our current climate and we don’t need a Carbon tax supporting who knows how many bureaucrats to do that, we just need sensible provision.

  69. Perhaps the ultimate irony and insult comes from CSIRO, one of the organisations on whose information and advice PM Gillard said she relied for science (frightening enough) to impose her destructive carbon tax. It comes from the site Gillard directs us to to see the settled science on CO2 for ourselves. Note particularly the last sentence of the disclaimer!
    “Should never be relied on as the basis for doing or failing to do something!”

    “CSIRO Disclaimer
    Always check the information
    Information at this site:
    is general information provided as part of CSIRO’s statutory role in the dissemination of information relating to scientific and technical matters
    is not professional, scientific, medical, technical or expert advice
    is subject to the usual uncertainties of advanced scientific and technical research
    may not be accurate, current or complete
    is subject to change without notice

    should never be relied on as the basis for doing or failing to do something.”

    IMHO that says it all really and I could not agree more!!

    With regard to the Wonthaggi Desal plant in Victoria at least, there is a huge amount of Union Superannuation money invested there and as many Federal and State Members of Parliament are ex-Union hacks there seems to be a huge conflict of interest in them having the power to make decisions which have greatly advantaged those Super Funds. e.g., Federal Climate Change Minister Greg Combet was heavily involved in them and was a principal player in planning the carbon dioxide tax legislation.

    Many other well known Union officers were also involved in what seems to have been a massive coverup regarding the earlier Australian Workers Union fraud, a crime over which no-one has been charged.
    For background to all this mess, check the site below and follow all the links. Afterwards, you may well think of the old saying: “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!”

    http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2011/08/07/australian-prime-minister-julia-gillards-criminal-history-and-her-hypocris-with-wikileaks-and-julian-assange/

  70. KV says:
    March 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    There is only one Union Superannuation Fund, UniSuper, who has invested in the Victorian Desal Plant. Out of nearly $30 billion in assets, UniSuper invested $200 million for a 26% stake in the Aquasure Consortium. They have larger investments in Brisbane Airport, $221 million and Adelaide Airport, $362 million. Of the eleven Directors only two are appointed by national Unions. The CEO has an extensive history in the superannuation industry, and there appears to be little union involvement in the various committees etc.

    The rest of your post is simply…..bullshit.

  71. Philip Bradley March 7 @1.39am, SW Western Australian rainfalls returned to just average only for the year 2011,not the last couple as you claim . 2010 was well below average. Rumors of the recovery of the SW rainfall are premature,sadly.

  72. @Goldie: “The point is that none of this is unprecedented”.
    Umm, let’s see, we had maximum temperature records being smashed, in some cases by two or three degrees, in the summer of 2009.
    ( I’m citing from the official account here at http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/scs17d.pdf )
    The January-February 2009 event set seven of the eight highest temperatures on record in Tasmania. The previous state record of 40.8°C, set at Hobart on 4 January 1976, was broken on 29 January when it reached 41.5°C at Flinders Island Airport. This record only lasted one day, as Scamander, on the east coast, reached 42.2°C on the 30th.
    .Launceston Airport (39.9) broke its previous record (37.3) by 2.6 degrees. This is the second-largest margin by which a record high maximum has been broken at any of the 103 locations in the long-term high-quality Australian temperature data set.
    Overnight minimum temperatures were also very high in many places during this part of the event.
    Adelaide experienced its warmest night on record when the temperature only fell to 33.9°C in the early hours of 29 January. The extremely high day and night temperatures combined for a record high daily mean temperature at Melbourne (35.4°C on 30 January), which, along with the previous day (35.0), were the first time Melbourne’s daily mean temperature has exceeded 35°C. On the morning of 29 January, an exceptional event also occurred in the northern suburbs of Adelaide around 3 a.m. when strong north-westerly winds mixed hot air aloft to the surface. At RAAF Edinburgh, the temperature rose to 41.7°C at 3.04 a.m. Such an event appears to be without known precedent in southern Australia.
    After a slight drop in temperatures during the first few days of February, extreme heat returned to the southeast on 6 February. Temperatures rose sharply in South Australia and western Victoria on the 6th, but it was the 7th which saw the most exceptional heat of the whole event.
    On 7 February (Figure 2), the focus of the most extreme heat, which was accompanied by high
    winds and very low humidity, was in Victoria. An all-time state record was set at Hopetoun, in the
    state’s north-west, when the temperature reached 48.8°C, exceeding the old record of 47.2°C, set at Mildura in January 1939 by a considerable margin. Eight other sites, in the Mallee, Wimmera and in the area immediately west of Melbourne, also exceeded the old record, including Walpeup (48.1°C), Avalon Airport (47.9°C), Horsham (47.6°C), Longerenong (47.6°C) and Laverton (47.5°C).
    The Hopetoun temperature is also believed to be the highest ever recorded in the world so far south. A total of 14 sites exceeded the previous Victorian February record of 46.7°C.
    Many all-time site records were also set in Victoria on 7 February, including Melbourne (154 years of record), where the temperature reached 46.4°C, far exceeding it’s previous all-time record of 45.6°C set on Black Friday (13 January) 1939. It was also a full 3.2°C above the previous February record, set in 1983. Three of Melbourne’s five hottest days have now occurred during this event. Geelong (47.4) and Wilsons Promontory (42.0) were among long-term sites which broke all-time records which had been set only the previous week. In total, of the 35 currently open sites in Victoria with 30 years or more of data which reported on 7 February, 24 set all-time records, five set February records, and only six failed to set records at all. Record high temperatures for February were set over 87% of Victoria.
    In addition to its peak intensity, the 2009 heatwave was also notable for its duration.

    Now we’ve had Australian rainfall records being smashed in the past year. The surface temperature in the Indian Ocean is breaking records. Last year the rains to eastern Australia came from the Coral Sea, where surface temperatures also broke records. Obviously, I’m not saying that such extremes were never reached BEFORE records began, but unprecedented can be confidently used when historical records are so soundly broken.

  73. Boobiealla,

    A fine screen name there. And thank you for posting your selected high temps. But keep in mind that the planet has been naturally warming along the same long term trend line since the Little Ice Age, one of the coldest episodes of the entire Holocene.

    The warming trend has not accelerated, therefore the recent rise in CO2 cannot be the cause of global warming. In fact, the global warming trend has remained within well defined parameters. Any effect from CO2 is too small to measure.

    Now, don’t you feel better knowing that the “carbon” scare is a false alarm?

  74. Nick says:
    March 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Philip Bradley March 7 @1.39am, SW Western Australian rainfalls returned to just average only for the year 2011,not the last couple as you claim . 2010 was well below average. Rumors of the recovery of the SW rainfall are premature,sadly.

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    It’s worth noting also, that Perth now has two desalination plants. In a strange twist of fate, by late 2012 both plants will be powered by renewable energy.

    You can read more here.

    http://www.watercorporation.com.au/D/desalination.cfm?uid=5463-2043-3200-6815

  75. I am shocked, absolutely shocked, Anthony.
    Shocked that you should publish such critism of our betters, our beloved scientists, administrators and parliamentarians.
    Shocked to the core, I tell you.

    Don’t you know that the science is settled, has been long since, I have been told?
    So enough of this talk from the riff raff.
    We Ausies demand – not the facts, mate, they’re just so boring.
    Give us the tru blu propaganda.
    That’s what we want to believe.
    The more frightening, then the better.

    So, it;s been raining a bit lately, hasit?
    Then repent and very quickly, if not the fire, then the flood.
    Noah – launch the Ark, willya -quicksmart.

  76. The scariest thing about Australia is not that its climate scientists are dolts or its government total numpties but that they are facing severe restrictions on their freedom of speech (driven by said dolts and numpties) to ridicule outrageous claims from the alarmists (and other PC drivel)! In a few years time, AB could find himself in a re-education camp for his heretical points of view. Poor Australia!

  77. There is an iron curtain of biased science and policy madness descending over Europe, the U.S. and the Aussies in the name of flawed global warming models that have been wrong for over 10 years now. This iron curtain will result in a massive wealth transfer and loss of freedom and stagnant economic growth. All movement and industry will be taxed heavily for the benefit of others and with vague promises of benefits for all.

  78. @Angela: you must be talking about another Australia from the one I greatly enjoy living in. Either that or you only see the thistle and not the meadow.

    Say what you will about our leaders but I have great respect for the quality of our scientists generally and, as for civil liberties, well, don’t take my word for it:
    Freedom House rates Australia at #1 for political rights and at #1 for press freedom. By contrast, Syria ranks the lowest score – #7 – on both counts. see http://www.freedomhouse.org/

    It ain’t all roses here but . . .
    I am citing from:

    http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2011/australia?page=22&year=2011&country=7989

    “Australia is regarded as one of the least corrupt societies in the world, ranking 8 out of 178 countries surveyed in Transparency International’s 2010 Corruption Perceptions Index.
    There are no constitutional protections for freedom of speech and the press, but citizens and the media freely criticize the government without reprisal.
    Freedom of religion is respected, as is academic freedom.
    Freedoms of assembly and association are not codified in law, but the government respects these rights in practice. Workers can organize and bargain collectively.
    The judiciary is independent, and prison conditions generally meet international standards.

    Now I’m citing from http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
    Australia ranks #3 for economic freedom (USA #10; UK#14; Germany #26; France #67; Italy #92)
    Australia’s economic freedom score is 83.1, making its economy the 3rd freest in the 2012 Index. Its overall score is 0.6 point higher than last year, reflecting better scores in trade freedom, government spending, and fiscal freedom.
    The foundations of economic freedom in Australia are strong and well supported by excellent protection of property rights and an independent judiciary that enforces anti-corruption measures effectively. While many large advanced economies have been struggling with growing debt burdens that result from years of heavy government spending, Australia’s gross public debt stands at less than 25 percent of GDP. Budget deficits have been under control owing to prudent public finance management that recognizes limits on government.
    Australia’s modern and competitive economy benefits from the country’s strong commitment to open-market policies that facilitate global trade and investment. Transparent and efficient regulations are applied evenly in most cases, encouraging dynamic entrepreneurial activity in the private sector.
    Unemployment rate: 5.2%
    Inflation: 2.8%
    Growth: 2.7%

  79. Boobialla,

    You do understand that everything is different now, don’t you? Dishonest scoundrels got in charge, and everything is quickly changing; your information is already out of date.

    With a huge and unnecessary tax [based on complete misinformation, and implemented by a politician who lied outright to get elected] is imposed on the citizenry, it amounts to the confiscation of your property. Where does that leave your belief in private property rights? A large part of your property will now become the property of state bureaucrats, and based on Bastiat’s Broken Window Fallacy, Australia will become a poorer country. That excessive and completely unnecessary tax will be used to grow government. Count on it.

    And for what? For the demonization of a completely harmless and beneficial trace gas. For any Australian CO2 reduction, China alone will make up the difference, doubled and squared. And there are a hundred plus other countries that will continue to ramp up their CO2 emissions.

    You fell for the lies. Now you will pay.

  80. Boobialla says:
    March 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    CO2 concentrations that are at least 495 times bigger will kill you, but how is that even remotely possible for the planet to gain anywhere near that volume? In the Earth’s atmosphere CO2 is a trace gas, but at 20 percent we would be all dead. It’s is looking very unlikely there will be enough carbon fuels left to even reach near 0.1 percent CO2.

    About 20 pints of water can kill you if you drank this in a short time, but we don’t hear people calling for water to be banned do we.

  81. @ Matt G
    First, I’m not being perverse here: I’m just making the point that someone who is genuinely sceptical has the capacity to revise a previously held view or position on the basis of new information. When I was first told that CO2 was “completely harmless and beneficial” or “just plant food”, I found that it was simply not true. I revised my position accordingly. No-one could seriously suggest that atmospheric levels of C02 could or would reach such levels as to be directly toxic to life. But we should all be properly sceptical about this “completely harmless” mantra – a falsehood which I am tired of hearing parroted. The plain truth is that in high enough concentrations it can kill plants -even big trees – and people. As you say, like too much water, too much CO2 can kill you.

    Second, I am tired of hearing people say that CO2 is “just a trace gas” or that “it’s only 0.04% of the atmosphere”, as though this means we can dismiss it as being of any significance. Small things can have big effects. The average concentration of ozone, for example, is about 1,000 times LESS than CO2 – there’s just one ozone molecule in every 2.5 million molecules of air – but without it life on earth would not be possible. If it was not there to shield us from ultra-violet radiation from the sun, we would all fry. Similarly, without that tiny 0.04% of CO2 life would not be possible – we’d all freeze. Too much of it and we’ll cook.

    That’s all I’m saying: these are facts, not attacks on anybody’s belief systems or ideology.

  82. Reblogged this on The GOLDEN RULE and commented:
    Once again the warmists are caught out lying and revealing that they do not know enough about the climate to justify all the hype about man-made climate changes. Not to mention the millions of dollars spent, political controls, carbon controls, carbon taxes, falsely educating children and the public.

  83. and not to forget the 2 hundred grand each day it costs to run our brand new desalination plants,. nor was it long ago when the talk was on treated effluent in our water supply , along with permanent restrictions. even sprinkles were said to be doomed to a museum… no doubt theyr’e now in denial over drive as to the stuff ups their bright ideas have brought us…

  84. Andrew Bolt, you lost me there, his a convicted liar for presenting lies as facts, what tools would believe him

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