Climate Change: Bigger health threat than AIDS, malaria

UPDATE: Holy moly. Dr. Richard North over at the EU Referendum points to this, (screencap below) which makes Ric’s article (further below) look tame. Add this to what’s going on in the AMA, and it looks like a effort to co-opt the medical profession in the role of “trusted advocate”. They couldn’t get the TV weathercasters to go along, so they moved up the food chain. Expect climate change lectures with speeding tickets next. “Sir do you realize you were going 65 in a 60 zone? That hurts the planet with excessive emissions”. – Anthony

North says:

We are back to “foxtrot oscar” time. The medical profession is having a hard enough time convincing me that they can deal with the issues for which they are paid. The very last thing I am interesting in hearing from them is their ill-informed views on climate change. To use their positions to push them would be an abuse of trust. And it is quite disturbing that these people can’t even see that.

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Guest Post By Ric Werme

I give up. I almost was able to shake my head and move on, but no, this latest bit of congressional spin combined with general disdain for rational discourse and a vapid comment in Lancet got under my skin. All I can do is to try to pass it on. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll turn the page, metaphorically speaking, of course.

Lois Capps (D-Calif)

Lois Capps (D-Calif)

Has the world gone mad with stupid science, stupid testimony, and stupid editorials? I guess so. Consider this from The Hill:

Capps pointed to a 2009 article in The Lancet, a medical journal, that said climate change could be the “biggest global health threat of the 21st century.”

“That makes climate change a bigger public health problem than AIDS, than malaria, than pandemic flu,” Capps said. “That’s why we need to take steps to address this cause behind this growing public health problem.”

I’m going to skip the rest of the article, read it if you wish, it will sound all too familiar. I merely want to call attention to this “spin device”.

Note that the reference to The Lancet included the word “could.” Right off the bat we’re into a lot of uncertainty. I assume they didn’t offer other possibilities. Personally, I think Alzheimers deserves consideration, but who knows, hangnails could be the biggest threat. Time will tell.

Capps took that reference, discarded the “could” and added a few possible candidates – OMG! I just Googled for |aids malaria pandemic flu| and Capps’ comment is referenced by seven other web pages already! I was looking for what might have been her source or if she thought of that list on her own. Try Epic Disasters, it’s pretty close.

Where was I? Oh – she changed the indefinite statement into something that is completely certain and included things that The Lancet may not have considered. Perhaps The Lancet left those off just to make its comment about climate change look more dire.

Why do people continue to use this sort of spin? It’s almost as though Capps has no better argument and resorts to something she hopes people won’t see through. Judging from the comments at The Hill, it didn’t work.

Oh well, if climate change is the worst thing to happen to us this century, we’ll do quite well.

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77 thoughts on “Climate Change: Bigger health threat than AIDS, malaria

  1. [snip – your comment suggesting the authors have a medical condition is rude, condescending, and inappropriate. – Anthony]

  2. Capps’ district is perhaps the most tortured geographically of the entire Congress. Redistricting will likely fix the problem.

  3. Things like this make me happy to be an EX-Californian.

    But then… I’m ashamed that my state re-elected Senator Reid.

    I don’t know what’s worse, stupidity or evil.

  4. Climate Change is the natural order of world climate. What makes anyone think they can stop the natural order of our world climate?

  5. In spite of being snipped, the direction of the the first comment is blindingly obvious.

  6. We revolve around the Earth’s axis once every 24 hours; depending on your latitude on this globe, you’re going anywhere from 0 to 1,000 mph, 24 x 7, but regardless of your speed you never stop spinning. Then we’re all circumnavigating the Sun once a year, accomplishing a 300 million mile orbit in just 365 days–my BOTE math tells me that’s about 860,000 miles per day! (and it ain’t in a straight line, either, if you catch my drift.) We’re on one of our galaxy’s pinwheel arms, which from the shape of it, is obviously not stationary, either (and at a speed far greater than our progression around the sun). It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if our galaxy itself isn’t rotating around some far distant point out in space somewhere, at an even greater speed than any of the former, and that point has a center of rotation, too.

    So I’m in a spin in a spin in a spin in a spin in a spin, and Ric asks (referring to Ms. Capps) “Why do people continue to use this sort of spin?”. I suppose it simply comes with the territority; it just comes naturally.

  7. Well, if there was any uncertainty left that the Democrats are well on the road to getting thoroughly trounced at the next federal election, then Rep. Capps is doing nothing to dispel it. The way things are going, the Republicans could choose Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich or Groucho Marx as the next presidential candidate and still romp in.

  8. I really don’t blame our congress-people like Ms. Capps for this kind of over-the-top CAGW rhetoric. They’re just trying to bring home the Climate Ca$h to fund massive pork barrel climate “science” projects and other boondoggle “green” initiatives.

    It goes something like this:

    (1) Liberal climate scientist sends liberal congress-person a scary-we’re-all-gonna-die climate “science” report, noting that climate science is woefully underfunded…
    (2) Liberal congress-person is scared silly and wants to do something to save the planet the Earth…
    (3) Liberal congress-person goes his liberal congress-buddies and sneaks large amounts of Climate Ca$h into the next spending bill…
    (4) The spending bill is passed, and the liberal climate scientist gobbles up the Climate Ca$h like a starving goat and thanks the liberal congress-person for their assistance…
    (5) Liberal climate scientist uses the money to create more scary research project reports (and take trips to Bali, Copenhagen, Cancun)…
    (6) Return to Step (1) above…

  9. Griz says:
    April 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Things like this make me happy to be an EX-Californian.

    But then… I’m ashamed that my state re-elected Senator Reid.

    I don’t know what’s worse, stupidity or evil.

    And I have it on good authority that Senator Reid absolutely believes he won his last race to “finish the Lord’s work” in the senate. Now how messed up is that?? (Another example of spin/spin/spin/spin/spin?)

  10. Your comment

    Personally, I think Alzheimers deserves consideration, but who knows, hangnails could be the biggest threat. Time will tell.

    is one way to rebut the “precautionary principle”. Must amputate the arm at the shoulder because of a hangnail. After all it may lead to infection and kill you.

  11. lol, was going to comment on the pic but i guess that’s not gonna fly….

    i do wonder where they get these folks…

  12. I’ve been involved in (obsessed by) CAGW since just before Climategate. In only 18 months I have noticed a ramping up of the insanity and inanity of arguments and posturing about this ‘greatest threat in all of human history’. Despite a general cynicism about people, power and politics, I am amazed more than surprised what we are now hearing from these intelligent, educated boffins and lab-coated ‘scientists’. The inability to exercise critical thinking and independent thought at the top of our social pyramid is almost beyond belief – the reason that conspiracy theories float so easily, I suppose. Nobody can believe that some of us are so incredibly dumb and naive.

    Humans have long been prone to magical thinking. The book, “The Madness of Crowds and Popular Delusions” comes from the 19th century, but the group-think that served us so well 200 years ago serves us well still. The desire to be in special times, to have a position of influence in the course of human affairs, of global history, is like a great, blinding light. There is nothing that cannot be seen by the mind that wishes to see it.

  13. Why don’t we turn the tables? Let’s start applying the “precautionary principle” and requirements like Environmental Impact Reports to every new left-wing government program.

  14. The Lancet is part of the giant publishing house Elsevier. They commissioned a report in 2009 to coincide with Copenhagen. A part of their executive summary……

    Climate change could be the biggest global health threat of the 21st century. Effects on health of climate change will be felt by most populations in the next decades and put the lives and wellbeing of billions of people at increased risk. During this century, the earth’s average surface temperature rises are likely to exceed the safe threshold of 2°C above pre-industrial average temperature.

    This report outlines the major threats—both direct and indirect—to global health from climate change through changing patterns of disease, water and food insecurity, vulnerable shelter and human settlements, extreme climatic events, and population migration. Although vector-borne diseases will expand their reach and death tolls, the indirect effects of climate change on water, food security, and extreme climatic events are likely to have the biggest effect on global health.

    A new advocacy and public health movement is needed urgently to bring together governments, international agencies, non-governmental organisations, communities, and academics from all disciplines to adapt to the effects of climate change on health.

    Certainly well up there in advocacy, wouldn’t hurt circulation either.
    I don’t mind adapting to a change in our climate, it is just that now we can, and should, base this adaptation on sound science.

  15. joe says:
    April 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    lol, was going to comment on the pic but i guess that’s not gonna fly….

    i do wonder where they get these folks…

    Joe, the answer to your question is: From my district. Now tell me what my penance is. Maybe whenever I leave the state, I should wear two paper bags over my head (in case one of them tears). Although I voted against them both, I sincerely apologize to all Americans for sending Capps (dumb) and Boxer (dumber) to the US Congress. My only mitigating circumstance is that I had nothing to do with Reid.

  16. This is an example of the sort of thinking that led the democrats to not pass a budget last year and then blame Republicans for trying to rein in the out of control spending: They are so busy with delusional CO2 obsessions they neglect to do their jobs.
    And as for the photo of Rep. Capps, well no caption or comment is needed.

  17. From Anthony’s update:

    Add this to what’s going on in the AMA, and it looks like a effort to co-opt the medical profession in the role of “trusted advocate”. They couldn’t get the TV weathercasters to go along, so they moved up the food chain. Expect climate change lectures with speeding tickets next.

    From the AMA editorial:

    Scientific evidence shows that the world’s climate is changing and that the results have public health consequences. The American Medical Association is working to ensure that physicians and others in health care understand the rise in climate-related illnesses and injuries so they can prepare and respond to them.

    Hmmm … whatever happened to “weather != climate”? No doubt physicians have never before encountered any patients exhibiting illness and/or injuries as a consequence of inclement *weather*. Not to mention that as Donna Laframboise cogently noted last August, when reviewing the credentials of one of the IPCC authors, “The day my doctor starts talking about climate change is the day I find myself a professional who understands that the purpose of a medical consultation is to discuss my issues – not theirs.”

    Now that they’ve sidelined the weathercasters, maybe their next move will be to “disappear” weather (just as they “disappeared” the MWP), so that all we’ll be left with is all climate, all the time.

    Amazing. Simply amazing.

  18. “Climate Change” may become a plausible dependability issue as people who push man-made climate change will claim the climate always changes over time. This is my prediction.

  19. There is something about all the ‘safe’ levels that really bother me. I moved to Oz from the UK because the UK is cold and pretty dreary, weather wise (I’ll keep my views on people to myself). I am now in Sydney, and it is much warmer.

    People brought things to Oz from the UK to over the last couple of centuries. Things have grown. Most of these do pretty well. They did not all die off. Why will a couple of C kill everything and make everything else ill if a good 10C change does not, eh?

    Yes, yes, I know that some things may not have adapted well, but can you show me data for anything that did not? Most trees are flourishing, although they do get odd ideas about what season they are in. Some flower in autumn, for example. They live. Our garden has flowers of one kind or another all year round. We even have oranges and lemons which ripen in the middle of winter (since it is a bit too cold for them here to ripen earlier). Things adapt!

    Don’t get me started on the rabbits, foxes and cane toads, either!

  20. Given what was said in the Senate today, the biggest threat this century appears to be stupidity; and they are certainly capable of, and apparently determined to; kill us with it.

    Heck, they almost did me in today.

  21. Mrs. Capps was elected to office after the incumbent, Walter Capps, died 9 months into his term of office. She is from Santa Barbara, the limousine liberal capital of the Western United States, after Beverly Hills. Her pashalik includes UCSB and several other bastions of liberal education. She is, I’m told, a nice person and was probably not elected for her political acumen, but for other reasons. She is not a useful idiot. No further comment.

  22. Can we find another useful idiot to announce that the threat of Climate Change causes cognitive dissonance and insanity? It would at least be a true statement.

  23. Where do they get these folks? They are “manufactured… Yes that’s right…

    Take this fellow the director of The Canadian Association of Physicians for The Environment (CAPE) — Gideon Foreman:

    http://www.themarknews.com/authors/117-gideon-forman


    Mr. Forman holds a Master’s degree in philosophy from McGill University. He interned at The Nation – America’s oldest weekly journal – and studied creative writing at the Banff Centre for the Arts. From 1997-2004, he was Vice President of Strategic Communications Inc., a firm that provides political consulting and fundraising advice to the non-profit sector. In 1999, Strategic Communications was named to The Profit 100 as one of Canada’s fastest growing firms.

    In 2004, he became Executive Director of the Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment (CAPE). Under his leadership, CAPE won a gold medal at the 2006 Canadian Environment Awards. In 2007, he was the co-winner of a Virtuoso Award from the International Association of Business Communicators (London, England). He is currently a Judge for the Green Toronto Awards. His reviews and essays have appeared in The Globe and Mail, The Canadian Forum, and The Toronto Star, among other publications.

    Now CAPE is involved in many good works — banning pesticides, weed killers, demonizing Coal Generation of Electrical Power…

    Their objectives?

    http://www.cape.ca/about.html

    CAPE’s Objectives

    1. To educate physicians on environmental issues, providing them with both accurate information and a framework for thinking about environmental problems
    2. To prepare spokespersons to comment on the health implications of environmental issues in an accurate and rigorous manner
    3. To serve as a “think tank” for considering the health implications of environmental issues
    4. To provide a forum in which physicians can meet and discuss health issues associated with environmental problems together with non-physician colleagues who have the knowledge and insight they need
    5. To advocate certain positions or courses of action.

    Makes you all warm and fuzzy — doesn’t it? Of course they are the people who claim that the Coal Fired power plants of Ontario are killing thousands of people every year. Dr. Ross McKitrick looked at the claims and found they did not stand up to statistical analysis.

    Indeed, he found that if you backcast using their methodology he found that the deaths caused by “coal fired air pollution” exceed the actual number of deaths in previous years.

    Beware “Physicians” bearing climate studies. It may actually be someone with a bent for creative writing.

  24. Thanks, Anthony. I’m a specialist in infectious disease epidemiology, dating back to the days when HIV was first observed in Haitian immigrants & a few other populations. Our group (Univ of Illinois) was the first to conclude that its transmission seemed to mirror Hepatitis B and that we were likely dealing with a bloodborne pathogen.

    Hoo, boy….little did we know at the time!

    This type of public health scare-mongering is preposterous. If they want to go after a real health hazard, then ban tobacco. Smoking will kill many more souls than climate change is ever likely to.

  25. I thought I was unelectable, but I was very very wrong. Bless her heart. She looks happy in there.

  26. From Randy Links on April 6, 2011 at 7:39 pm:

    The way things are going, the Republicans could choose Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich or Groucho Marx as the next presidential candidate and still romp in.

    Nah, not Groucho Marx. He could get some votes in Illinois, since from there it’d just be those registered voters going for “one of their own,” except they’re all registered Democrats.

    BTW, if you see those particular voters going to the polls, shooting them in the head is recommended.

  27. Bedtime here, but she looks like a certifible, complete loon to me, ala Nancy P from the same geographic neighborhood. What is it about Californians that makes me want to??? L

  28. So taking her statement as fact, then any spending not related to C/C or C/D or what ever its called today ! is a waste as any benefit is offset by the ‘we’re all gonna die’ problem so is she suggesting we cut off all funding to public health to fight her particular dragon ?

  29. Is it another case of ‘band wagon climbing’?

    The Lancet may be correct in this case though, cold weather produces more deaths than warm. Oh for a little global warming.

  30. I think doctors should work on things they are paid to work on.

    It would be too much to see them come out with a cure for heart disease or cancer.

    How about just answering their phone when I call?

  31. The Lancet article that Mrs Capps worked from is based on nonsense. Humans have always thrived when not battling cold climates.
    As an example, the district where I grew up in New Zealand is oddly similar to the South-East of the UK where I currently reside, but has a slightly warmer climate with a much higher rainfall. The first English and European settlers cleared the standing native bush (forests) to create grassland farms and planted English trees to shelter their stock and to provide reminders of their home country. Both trees and settlers flourished in the warmer, wetter climate. During WWI, medical surveys of troops noted that the Colonial troops were taller, broader and with fewer health problems than their cold-country cousins. No doubt the diet the colonials enjoyed was a significant factor, but warmer climates suits humans admirably.
    To gain an inkling of the effects of climactic cooling, read some of the histories of English villages that were recorded during the LIA. Cooling is scary.

  32. A comet smashing into the earth COULD be bad for our health. What are we doing about it? There is a precedent you know……

  33. The climate change to worry about is cold.
    As one drives about the central UK, it’s pretty obvious that the warmth-needing plants, we’ve been planting in our gardens over the past decade or so, haven’t done too well over this last winter especially.
    The eucalyptus we planted in our garden about 15 years ago, split its trunk bark and expired, several other shrubs (can’t say what type, labels have long gone!) have succumbed too. I’ve seen no end of dead palm-type trees in city gardens, many of my circle of friends have noted that they’ve had to replant this spring, as the effects of last winter have become apparent.

  34. Relieved to hear that your politicians are as intellectually challenged as ours are! It’s not just us then.

    OT – I posted a complaint to BBC 1 regarding their early evening magazine programme, “The One Show” presenter Matt Baker after screening a piece about the reactor fire at Sellafield in 1956, adding the comment “& up to 260 cancer cases could be related to that incident”, or words to that effect, in which I pointed out the operative word was “could”, & that just as equall it “could not, etc. Not a sausage from them in acknowledgement. Perhaps I have used up my quota of complaints this year already………..one!

  35. The same lunacy is happening in the UK corridors of the British Veterinary Association. Watch this space.

  36. One wonders how all this plays out against the sweep of nations history.

    One would have thought that Climategate was the Pickett’s Gettysbergy charge high water mark for global warmers and they’d be reduced to fringe and, one prays, just fade away. But the political Left is more akin to Mao’s Long March. What’s happened is climate has morphed into “pollution” and is joining the ranks of DDT. It seems nothing short of a full frontal dismemberment of the warmist claims into the dustbin of Piltdown Man’s bones will there ever be a reprieve from them.

    Even in this posting you see the politicians resorting to “costs too much”. The GOP should simply accept the Dem’s amendment and counter with one that simply says, “Yes Virginia, we will vote to say that climate change is a fraud and we’re ending ALL climate fraud funding. Not because it costs too much, but because it is a fraud”. And make it a big issue in the 2012 elections as part of the No Energy No Time policy of the Dems.

    What you’re witnessing is the regrouping of the Left using their normal tools. The GOP is allowing them their regrouping. This is exactly how you lose. With the Left, there is no such thing as a static defense.

  37. CRS, Dr.P.H. says: April 6, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Pardon my ignorance of epidemiology Dr P.H., but would you explain how tobacco has killed more human (souls) than injury, inc direct human violence and industrial illnesses/accidents and other infectious diseases?

    In regard to doctors, given the expectations of living from the abundant slice of a GDP how could anyone doubt that they expand their repertoire to accommodate the latest ‘findings in research? Freudian to say the least.

    In many other countries, where number of sorcerers/per head population is more prevalent these peddlars make their living from ‘healing’ by directly dealing with the ‘illnesses’ they instil or allow construction of. Use of [alleviation of] fear, guilt, the denial of individual expression and/or negation of science are promulgated. Such use of cultural devices and real bodily practices framed in local lores (laws) are extremely powerful and extremely painful. And [communally] humiliating, as intended, generally to the women and youth. Sorcery, like rubbish science ensures maintenance of maximum control over swathes of the local human population and, naturally control of a local economy.
    Dr P.H would understand this if he has worked with Hiatian people.

  38. A few years ago the head of the AMA got on a gun control kick on the basis that guns in the home killed children. When I noted my doctor’s questionnaire asked how many guns I owned I asked him why he didn’t include swimming pools and automobiles. After all, they kill children too. He answered that the AMA had urged its members to give gun safety talks to patients who owned guns.

    I am an antique gun collector and a retired Marine. I don’t need no stinking doctor to give me safety lectures.

    I fired him.

    Surely human health is a subject difficult enough to master. Let’s encourage the medical profession to stick to that.

    Perhaps if your doctor gives you a lecture on global warming it is time to find another doctor.

  39. It appears that leftists are shameless and unrestrained in their willingness to use any means to advance their agenda to destroy personal liberty. Climate change is not the first issue that leftists sought to use physicians for advancing.

    A few years ago, a coalition of physicians that included the American Medical Association (AMA) and, not surprisingly, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP),
    were urging their members to treat firearms in the home as a health issue that justified intrusion as well. Now that ObamaCare ™ is slowly herding people into a single payer system with standardized electronic medical records, should I now to worry that health care professionals will be required to quietly check boxes so as to alert monitors of unacceptable personal behavior? Or maybe that the patient refused to answer the ‘private lifestyle questions’? Paging George Orwell.

  40. The real threat from ‘climate change’ is global cooling. That is the threat. Warmth is good, just ask the Romans who lived through their warm period.

  41. the tele item also mentioned the Military? are supporting this..why?
    the BMJ and Lancet have no cred..too much money taken for ads and favourable reports, exposed already.
    in aus theres a collection of spacecadet doc also pushing this barrow, its full of shite as are most barrows:-) the sheepies will go along though and thats what they will rely on, peoples idiotic blind faith that their GP is “god” and he knows all and is never wrong or ill informed..even as they die from the wrong drug/side effects etc

  42. “The Upton bill has some support from Democrats. Reps. Nick Rahall (W.Va.), Collin Peterson (Minn.) and Dan Boren (Okla.) are all co-sponsors of the bill. More Democrats are expected to vote in favor of the legislation, but just how many is unclear.”

    Some Democrats, at least, are getting the message from voters, regardless of where they stand on the issue of CAGW; voting against this bill could be seriously hazardous to their political health. I would certainly consider voting for a Democrat who, for whatever reason, supports the Upton Bill.

  43. By far the greatest killer of mankind is socialism. A pretty good top limit of the number of people that have ever existed is about 20 billion. How many people died in the American Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, WW I, WWII, Communist China cultural revolution, Latin American wars, SE Asian wars, African famines and malaria outbreaks, Former Soviet Union internal programs and pogroms, etc. The list goes on. Just a quick estimate, it looks like we could be talking about 5 to 10 % of all of mankind!

  44. I’m a doctor, and I refuse to violate the trust placed in me by adding to the man-made climate change hysteria. A doctor who believes in catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is a doctor who will prescribe a dangerous, unproven drug, or perform surgery, or perform a bone marrow transplant, on the flimsiest of evidence, provided by authors with deeply conflicted interests.

  45. As always consider the source. The Lancet is hardly to be trusted anymore.

    Remember the 2004 and 2006 articles about casualties in Iraq that came out just before the elections in those years? The 2006 article “estimate the number of “excess” Iraqi deaths after the 2003 invasion at 426,369 to 793,663; the study said the most likely figure was near the middle of that range: 654,965. Almost 92 percent of the dead, the study asserted, were killed by bullets, bombs, or U.S. air strikes. ”

    I’ve never trusted them since.

  46. Seems to me . . . . if everyone actually minded their own business . . . . there would be very little to talk about . . . . and

    From the last several different posts one thought keeps coming into my mind . . . especially “Energy content, the heat is on: atmosphere -vs- ocean” . . .

    It’s nothing but a skew job and will stay a skew job . . . until we add the spin . . . . (of the earth that is . . . ) sorry, just had to get that in . . .

  47. I remember a paleontology professor talking about how a given genus often evolves weird, flamboyant, almost absurd species just before going extinct. The alarmists are in that phase.

  48. RE: Climate Change: Bigger health threat than AIDS, malaria

    Given that we’ve been told that snow will be a rare event in England (THAT FAILED), hurricanes are going to increase (THAT FAILED), and the temperature is rising at an alarming rate (THAT FAILED, it’s going down); what are the odds that this scare is just another failed prediction?

    Cue the song:

    ;-)

  49. They will surely find a few academic types willing to take paid work as part of the “physicians against climate change” advertising campaign. Most front line workers, however, are probably too busy dealing with injury and disease. In fact, I imagine at least a few doctors would be insulted at the suggestion they spend time away from their patient’s health concerns to champion the cause of climate change. I would ask my own doctor about it just for laughs, but I suspect it would’nt much brighten his day.

  50. @Jessie says:
    April 7, 2011 at 3:53 am
    CRS, Dr.P.H. says: April 6, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Pardon my ignorance of epidemiology Dr P.H., but would you explain how tobacco has killed more human (souls) than injury, inc direct human violence and industrial illnesses/accidents and other infectious diseases?
    ———
    REPLY Please re-read my post, I said that tobacco has killed more souls than global warming is ever likely to. I’ll stick by that, thanks.

    Here’s some reading if interested: http://www.who.int/tobacco/health_priority/en/index.html

    As an ex-smoker, I have a license to be grumpy & mean about the topic.

    Regardless, the claims about AGW being a public health problem are just sheer hoo-ha. My expectation is that a slightly warmer world will increase crop productivity in many areas (Univ of IL’s conclusion, not mine), and have other benefits.

  51. Doug
    April 7, 2011 at 8:29 am

    I remember a paleontology professor talking about how a given genus often evolves weird, flamboyant, almost absurd species just before going extinct. The alarmists are in that phase.
    ###

    I think you nailed it! The phenomena your prof was referring to is sometimes called hyper-specialization. Organisms become so specialized as to specialize for the specialization of other specialists. Most evolutionary biologists see this as evolutionary stagnation. The thing with change, is that the specialists go extinct whilst the generalists prosper. No wonder our elitist class is terrified of change!

  52. While this issue has been framed as prevention of “Climate Change,” I suspect the real issue as perceived by many as the prevention of the perceived ‘evil’ impact of Human, or perhaps more particularly Western, Civilization on the sacred ‘natural’ climate of the Earth. I suspect that prevention of Anthropogenic Climate Change (of any kind) is the real issue for people who may, perhaps after losing faith in a traditional religion, have adopted a worship of the natural environment. For them, the world would be their church, their sacred platform for a noble cause.

  53. DesertYote says: “No wonder our elitist class is terrified of change!”
    April 7, 2011 at 9:16 am

    There has been no change . . . the elitist class has it’s own behavioral cycles that the “commoners” have fallen for . . . . for thousands of years . . .

    I’ll give you a clue . . . all the wealth is in the hands of the few . . . . again . . . . they are the “players club”. . . .

    I just can not give this subject justice . . . . your “elitist class” have already taken the money and ran . . .

    Even now, Congress does not understand fully that they are trying to pick up the piece’s . . . . of what got broken 50 years ago . . . The very fact that Al Gore got away with what he got away with is a symptom . . . not the cause . . .

    When an issue, any issue, comes up . . . you don’t ask who’s saying it until you first ask . . . . Is what they are saying Right or Wrong?. . . .

  54. The medical profession is having a hard enough time convincing me that they can deal with the issues for which they are paid.

    Agreed, and the Lancet should have already learned to shut up about this kind of Leftist bs. But, after all, they are just soooo Progressive, don’tcha know. “Perception is reality”!

    Anecdotally, over the past 6 yrs. I’ve been amazed by what I’ve seen in medical care involving my friends and acquaintances, probably since they are now old enough for things to start happening. Two almost died. Amazingly, one evidenced the same problem as with the CO2=CAGW fiasco: the alleged treatment was the thing which was going to kill him and it almost did, not the alleged disease, which didn’t exist. He was in such good shape cardiovascularly that despite the “treatment” for his “heart failure”, he lasted long enough for me to finally convince him that his politically correct cardiologist – who reportedly had written an article for the New England Journal of Medicine on the “oppression” of women in the medical field – had no idea what she was talking about. When he finally stopped the very strong blood pressure lowering medication which had decreased his already low-normal blood pressure to levels which usually would have been deadly, strangely, all of his symptoms of having too low of a blood pressure because of the “treatment” went away. He didn’t get faint everytime he stood up, or “rummy” when he was out hiking at 8000 – 9300′, and never even passed out at the wheel again! And, amazingly, his blood pressure never went down to 70/40 again! He must have had the cleanest blood vessels in the World in order for something to not infarct/die, during what was probably one of the longest “stress” tests of anyone’s heart and vessels ever recorded.

    The other guy, my best male friend – but he lives about 1300 miles away – just got amazingly lucky, partly because of his own persistence. He was having what was obviously unstable or pre-infarction angina, but his local cardiologist blew off his symptoms and didn’t do an adequate “treadmill test” to try to elicit the symptoms or signs of “coronary insufficiency” while an ekg was being taken, which the cardiologist admitted at the time. My friend then soon had another episode of the classic pain at home, and got to the hospital at exactly the right time for the great team there to immediately clean out his nearly totally obstructed right coronary artery, with no evidence of any heart muscle death having occurred.

    Nah, giving practicing M.D.’s anything more to keep them from doing their jobs and instead participating in the CO2=CAGW Propaganda Op. is not a healthy plan. Perception is not reality.

  55. I worked in Lois Capps’ district for 15 years and know that she inherited her position from her husband, and enjoys wide support from the rich liberals of the Santa Barbara area and the ignorant majority of students and faculty from the local UC campus, so we will be stuck with her “until death do us part”.

  56. Here’s how a seat belt works. If the plane’s about to crash, put this mask over your mouth. Chicken or pasta?

  57. As a physician myself, I advise my colleagues to remember that there is no FDA to audit the truth of Climate Change industry’s claims. If that is OK, then they should be arguing to get rid of the FDA approval process for drug company products.

  58. i heard somewhere that doctors can be exceptionally good at two things. now naturally one of them has to be medicine or they wouldn’t be doctors. normally the second thing is money management.

    any thing more than two they are lousy with the others.

    so why are we taking a doctors advice on the totally different science of global warming?????

    is he, she or it poor, or maybe only one jump ahead of the county medical society discipline committee???

  59. So you think it is wrong for a professional medical journal to speculate about possible medical problems arising from a warming climate?

    Surely it behoves all such journals to flag up possibilities that ‘could’ (as the Lancet said) happen. And that was just one paper out of how many it publishes every year? Plus they are not responsible for how politicians use such publication.

    Think some kind of perspective is needed here.

  60. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the photograph of Lois Capps (D Calif) appears to be a picture that was released by by her.

    If that is the case, I have to consider her judgement so bad that I would have to completely disregard her judgement on any subject.

    Before you judge me a misogynist, would you like to look at that over your morning ham and eggs?

  61. CRS, Dr P.H. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/06/bigger-health-threat-than-aids-malaria/#comment-637508
    Post 1. ‘Smoking will kill many more souls than climate change is ever likely to.
    Post 2. Please re-read my post, I said that tobacco has killed more souls than global warming is ever likely to..’

    Yes I did read your post[s].
    And thank you for your link to WHO tobacco and mental health disease.

    Our work in isolated communities where we directly measured prevalence of 90% HepB surface antigen +ve and dealt with communicable (some say infectious) diseases such as syphilis and gonorrhoea was in the 80s.
    I remain interested in the academic papers a decade later reporting communicable diease programs using incidence rates.

    I recall effectively delivering, with local tribal people and health workers, a preventative health program with vaccinations that resulted in immunity to Hep B. We also effectively reduced the number of primary and adequately treated second stage syphilis [and gonorrhoea] to near negligible numbers.

    Tobacco was of concern as at that stage marijuana had then entered
    the economy, of which the older people, knowing local behaviours and mores became very concerned.

    Those that saw tobacco as a health problem saw no problem with the smoking of marijuana. There was not, to my knowledge, any prevalence or diagnosis of cardiovascular disease or lung cancer.
    In such an environment use of wood burning fires for cooking family meals,
    keeping warm in a seasonally bitterly cold environment and 0-5 yr old pneumonia was quite evident.

    In regard to these environments which are isolated, I suggest that the health data that was organised to be collected and reported has lacked transparency.
    Though I remember the commitment of the community people to deal with the very real diseases and daily living issues.

    I found this post interesting as it is situated in the 80s at the time we were dealing with communicable diseases and attempting to produce quality data.

    http://ipa.org.au/news/2025/let-he-who-is-without-climate-sin

    Allanj may be interested

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/united-nations-ignores-its-own-data-to-promote-gun-ban/

  62. Dave Andrews. I am quite sure you realise the perspective of the great majority of posters on WUWT. If not, I’ll recap for you –
    warming = good = less health hazards
    cooling = not good = more health hazards
    Is that clear enough for you?

  63. Instead of questioning the hypothetical effects of global warming, one should put the question “What is the effect on health of the measures already taken to ban the carbon emisson?”
    1. Several diesel engines are more economical in consumption than gasoline engines and eject less CO2. On an annual basis, the difference in emission reaches 0.2 to 0.5 ton CO2 per car (mean distance about 15,000 kilometers a year). So, some governments grant large fiscal advantages to owners of diesel engines.
    But diesel engines pump out a lot of harmful particles: NOx (nitrous oxides) and particulate matter (“fine dust”). Thus, the effect of such policy is air pollution with harmful consequences for all road users: bronchitis, asthma, heart infarct, cancer, shorter life. In Belgium, more than 60% of the cars are diesel engines. There are thousands of victims due to the noxious air in cities.
    2. And which are the effects of the introduction of biofuel? Vast and increasing amounts of land and agricultural production are diverted into making ethanol. This leads to higher cost for food production and to more poverty.
    “One way or the other, agricultural lands and forests are being diverted away from smallhold producers, fishers and pastoralists to commercial purposes, and leading to displacement, hunger and poverty.”
    “Land grabbing – even where there are no related forced evictions – denies land for local communities, destroys livelihoods, reduces the political space for peasant oriented agricultural policies and distorts markets towards increasingly concentrated agribusiness interests and global trade rather than towards sustainable peasant/smallhold production for local and national markets.”

    (http://farmlandgrab.org/12200 )
    3. I hope that in the coming winters, enough electricity will still be available in countries that promote green energy (such as the United Kingdom).

    Are these measures taken by the governments not much more harmful for health than the phantom that Capps points out? She should know better.

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