Remember this post before the heady days of Climategate?
And then what happens? Another online poll that might go horribly wrong
And this one?
Data adjustments in the UK Science Museum “Prove It!” poll on climate
The raw data is available graphically, thank you David, at http://proveit.isgreat.org/
It appears that the London Science Museum got the message loud and clear, today we have this piece in the Times Online:
Public scepticism prompts Science Museum to rename climate exhibition
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Professor Rapley declined to give his own views on climate change, saying that they were not relevant. However, in 2007 he said: “The more greenhouse gases we add, the warmer we’ll be. It’s not rocket science.”
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Oh but it is. Note the continued existence of NASA GISS, which would be but a footnote if they didn’t apply “rocket science” and some stagecraft to it back in 1988.
And it is a big abut face compared to when we last heard from Professor Rapley via this WUWT post:
Science Museum Prove It! poll now closed – surprising results
Today (1 December 2009) Professor Chris Rapley CBE, Director of the Science Museum and Professor of Climate Science at UCL said:
“More work needs to be done to convince people of the reality of human-induced climate change and of the urgency with which we must agree an international solution. Public organisations, like the Science Museum, have a responsibility to lay out the evidence and open up public discussion.”
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“The museum is abandoning its previous practice of trying to persuade visitors of the dangers of global warming. It is instead adopting a neutral position, acknowledging that there are legitimate doubts about the impact of man-made emissions on the climate.”
“legitimate doubts”
I’m thinking being a “legitimate doubter” is much better than “denier” or even “skeptic”.
Thank you, Anthony! All I can say is “WOW!”
I think the past season’s snow, from Scotland to Devon, had a lot to do with the recent skepticism of the Brits…This picture still blows me away:
http://www.strudel.org.uk/blog/astro/000927.shtml
Museum visits to the global warming exhibit were down this winter because of all the cold and snow.
They must have been absolutely overwhelmed with negative responses.
It is so un AGW of them to change the company line even a little bit.
Still their exhibit probably belongs with the alchemists for all its credibility.
I missed the original data adjustment post, but wow!
Good to see a leading institution at least paying lip service to all views rather than peddling the MSM one.
Score one for reason and common sense! A Science Museun, or a school for that matter, should be a place for education – not a place for terrorizing children with overstated politically motivated pseudoscience. Let the grown-ups debate that stuff, leave the kids alone!
Are these the final numbers for the ProveIt survey? The numbers alone must have given any non-fanatic pause for thought.
I sent the Science Museum my two cents worth some months ago. I am pleased they listened.
Worth bringing up again…
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/further_questions_about_the_prov
Congratulations and heartfelt thank yous to Mr. Watts, Mr. McIntyre, and the other auditors for all your years of effort, and to all the others who write and question with open, inquisitive minds!
Hopefully instead of directing monies toward the senseless purchasing of carbon credits that will only enrich those who have established the carbon exchanges, we will direct our efforts toward what is worthwhile and achievable: cleansing the waterways, especially the oceans of plastic and the rivers of Asia of toxins; preserving biodiversity to ensure scientists have the opportunity to study the genes Nature has been assembling for billions of years; and to preserving habitat so future generations can marvel at the greatness of planet Earth.
Time to move beyond a concern for carbon dioxide and time to establish an eco-sensible approach to environmental husbandry.
Three cheers, “Huzzah!” The myth is fading and will soon be nothing more than a nearly forgotten frightful fairy tale.
I’m all for The Lorax, I understand acid rain and the ozone hole, no-one is for another Love Canal, and I also understand that carbon dioxide poses no threat; the issues are separate and the greenies should stop packaging them together.
Huzzah!
“…we need to be respectful and welcoming of all views on [global warming].”
No kidding.
And here I am, still worrying about being forced to take psychotropic medication to treat my climate denial disorder. (See: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/23/brains-brains/
“Chris Rapley, the museum’s director, told The Times that it was taking a different approach after observing how the climate debate had been affected by leaked e-mails and overstatements of the dangers of global warming. He said: “We have come to realise, given the way this subject has become so polarised over the past three to four months, that we need to be respectful and welcoming of all views on it.”
Leaked e-mails, not hacked, released or stolen? Interesting change in attitude there.
“Professor Rapley declined to give his own views on climate change, saying that they were not relevant. However, in 2007 he said: “The more greenhouse gases we add, the warmer we’ll be. It’s not rocket science.”
Then why do we need to pay rocket scientist money to these “climatologists”? I want my taxes back if it’s that simple.
That’s a good thing you did for the UK, Anthony.
But there’s another poll – a more important one – one that counts – that is underway here, closer to home.
We can put California to a straight up or down vote on AB 32 if the suspend AB 32 ballot initiative gets 400K registered voter signatures in the next two weeks.
How about helping your neighbors out a little, buddy?
Hopefully this change will trigger reviews of other climate exhibits in public facilities. The Scripps Institute of Oceanography’s “Feeling the Heat” exhibit, at the Birch Aquarium in La Jolla, California, has a major posting near the entrance which states:
“EVIDENCE IS EVERYWHERE: The most visible impact of global warming is the world’s ice. Most of the world’s ancient glaciers are swiftly shrinking and may be gone within decades. Arctic ice is declining at a rapid pace. At the other end of the globe, ancient ice sheets on the Antarctic peninsula are disintegrating. While these changes have serious local consequences, they will be felt globally too.”
If anyone has any spare global warming, please send it Colorado.
”””’ Anthony: First line in your post, you said, ‘Remember this post before the heady days of Climategate?’ ”””””
Anthony,
Actually, I do remember those heady days before Climategate. Hopeful is the spirit I remember.
I still remain hopeful.
And Anthony, I sincerely, hope that you remain hopeful too.
Best wishes.
John
climategate is hotting up, and there’s a desperation by the CO2 Bubble crowd, so let’s spread info far and wide ASAP:
someone posted this on a previous thread:
Aloha Analytics: Details of Climate Bill in U.S. Senate Trickle Out
Sen. Lieberman explained…the first draft of the planned bill, to be written during Congress’s two-week recess that begins on March 29. Sen. Kerry reinforced the group’s accelerated timetable, saying, “we have some really key meetings in the next few days . . . we have a lot of work to do in the next 48 hours.”…
http://alohaanalytics.blogspot.com/2010/03/details-of-climate-bill-trickle-out.html
24 March: WSJ: Europe’s Cap-and-Trade Lesson
Market-based environmentalism, or a boondoggle?
Having at last fixed America’s health-care system once and for all—or maybe not—Congressional Democrats are promising to apply themselves to the task of imposing legislative curbs on carbon. So it’s a good time to see how a prototype cap-and-trade scheme, the European Union’s Emission Trading System, is faring. So far, not so good…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704896104575139673240771564.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines
papertiger (20:12:25) said:
Sigh, I am not a citizen, and thus not a registered voter, so I can’t sign. Still, I know people who will likely sign.
Some one has to be commissioned by WUWT with a wad of donated carbon credits at .10p a ton, 3x send-a-mate-a-pint tokens, and 2x get-out-of-jail cards, to hot foot it down there…..and report, w/photos, what exactly is the carnival grade candy-flossed dross they are trying to sell to the poor innocents and (mostly) the kids. Any takers………
Funds could be raised by doing a Nashville style 24hr ‘share-a-thong!’
Patchy Morals could be our first customer
We are about to be snowed under when the whitehouse gets it’s rear end in gear to deal with ‘the climate’. Even the crew at WUWT won’t be able to shovel fast enough from all the BS. 2010 is going to the battle of the planet
Good except for one thing: the name change!
I rather liked “Prove It!” — I thought it was quite apt, and reflected my sentiments about the subject quite well. It would have condensed well the thoughts of the majority side in their ill-conceived poll.
“Climate Science Gallery” is so ho-hum. Right, let’s all go and spend the afternoon learning about convective heat transfer and cloud cover. Remember kids: high cloud, low albedo, low cloud high IR absorption. Yay! If they must go there, how about “ClimateGate Gallery”. I’d love to see that on display, with regular updates on bad science and bad behavior from around the world. They want provocative? There’s provocative, and relevant! Science education in action!
Ric Werme deserves a lot of credit for his monitoring of this poll. Credit also goes to a Lurker/hacker calling himself “Lihard” who was the first to hack the poll to show its absurdity. After giving the rest of us the opportunity to beat up on him and declare our moral superiority, he “repented” and made a parallel monitor to Ric’s. The poll was hacked two or three times afterwards and “revised” by the museum twice. It was a farce, even by on-line standards, but the skeptics “won”.
Expect the Empire to strike back.
[REPLY – With all due respect, hacking the poll was a terrible thing, regardless of whether it was to “demonstrate absurdity”. It made us look bad, plain and simple. And winning means nothing unless it’s played straight. Nothing! Victories built on cheating are built on sand. As the hockey team is learning — the hard way. ~ Evan]
Maybe the EPA can learn something from this.
“They also revealed discussion about NASA’s data being less reliable than — and indeed reliant upon — the non-existent Climategate temperature history from Britain’s Climate Research Unit (CRU).”
http://tinyurl.com/ycf7fjm