Alarmists play long game at COP30

By David Wojick

Climate alarmism has been seriously stalled by a combination of President Trump and unfavorable economic conditions. So, the diplomats laboring at COP30 are working on long-term issues, hoping for better “weather,” as it were. They are still very busy negotiating the future.

Major policy initiatives often take a decade or more, so while subdued, the work has not slowed down. Rumors of the death of alarmism are greatly exaggerated. The greens are just biding their time.

Most of the issues are about money, of course, although the call for increased 2030 emission reduction targets is also on the table. The money issues mostly have to do with long-term objectives and mechanisms. This includes various global taxes such as on shipping emissions and airfare.

An unavoidable, immediate money issue is raising the supposed $100 billion annual payment by “developed” countries to “developing” countries. (This distinction between donor and recipient countries is based on two lists from 1992 that are long out of date.)

But even here, what was once talk of trillions has moderated to a mere hundreds of billions in the short term. Instead, they are supposed to develop a roadmap to get to $1.3 trillion a year some time from now.

On the new emission targets, there has been a distinct lack of ambition. Many developing countries have yet to submit theirs. One reason may be that these grand plans are all written as being contingent on funding from the “developed” countries. Raising these numbers could be a bad move politically.

The EU just squeezed its new target in. It increases the loopholes more than the target. Even at that, several member countries objected to it.

One of the biggest things happening is likely to fly under the news radar since it sounds vague and small. The new “Fund for Responding to Loss and Damage (FRLD)” has a mere $250 million, but COP30 will see the formal launch of the Fund’s first call for project funding requests.

These loss and damage response requests will be from developing countries hit hard by bad weather supposedly caused by climate change, or maybe by sea-level rise, or even by wildfires. The thing is that, at this point, we have no idea what qualifies as climate loss or damage. That vagueness makes this first proposal process a very big deal even if the money is next to nothing.

If every bit of big bad weather is a “climate event,” as they are now called, how do you decide which deserves a cash response? If only certain events qualify, then which are they? These are very difficult questions which the FRLD is launching at COP30.

Also, which countries qualify? It is sometimes said that this funding is intended for just the poorest countries. If so, then what is the qualifying threshold for compensation? How poor does a country have to be?

Ideally, these questions will be addressed in the call for funding proposals, but maybe not. For that matter, does the COP membership have a say in the answers? If not, then why is the call being made at the COP? If so, then it could produce some serious infighting.

As an aside, a recent study reported an interesting problem with countries taking FRLD funding. Some say they do not want to do it because their populace would then want to be funded for all weather-related loss and damage, not just what the FRLD funded.

Note that the FRLD could get sizable because developed countries already put a lot of money into disaster assistance. They could run it through the FRLD as a feel-good exercise, maybe even counting it toward the annual payment. A lot of foreign aid is already counted that way.

In summary, the popular idea that COP30 is a dead end is false. They will just give the busy-work program a future focus. Diplomats do that all the time.

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Neil Pryke
November 10, 2025 10:25 pm

Everything is highly symbolic…location, logos, language…all that’s missing is factual matter…

1saveenergy
Reply to  Neil Pryke
November 11, 2025 12:21 am

But, they produce plenty of faecal matter … & try to sell it as Manna from heaven ( I think they’re taking the Michael ) !!!

KevinM
Reply to  Neil Pryke
November 11, 2025 10:12 am

That’s what they’re good at. As an actual engineer/problem solver type, I’m frequently bothered that “my team” is usually not super-good at location, logos, language. The basic problem with the two “teams” using different thought processes probably causes the COPs and ARs run on different timelines.

strativarius
November 11, 2025 12:03 am

Unfortunately for Justin Rowlatt etc the BBC is the story.

Phillip Bratby
November 11, 2025 12:31 am

Give us more money. Give us more CO2 – it is making our crops grow and greening the planet.

strativarius
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
November 11, 2025 12:43 am

Gimme some truth!

Reply to  strativarius
November 11, 2025 8:13 am

The BBC is a stranger to the truth

KevinM
Reply to  strativarius
November 11, 2025 10:14 am

Comment begs for a video clip of Nicholson on trial in A Few Good Men.

Bill Toland
November 11, 2025 12:45 am

Unfortunately for climate alarmists, there is no loss and damage. Instead there is gain and benefits from global warming. Developing countries should be thanking rich countries for the improving climate.

Reply to  Bill Toland
November 11, 2025 1:56 am

China is the heavy lifter in the CO2 department. The whole world owes China a great deal of gratitude for the effort they have put into industrialisation over such a short period. Maybe India can take up the fight as China plateaus.

KevinM
Reply to  RickWill
November 11, 2025 10:21 am

Do you think China is ready to transition from merchantile to consumer? My first-pass assumption is that USA’s culture follows a weighted-average Western Europe culture at about 2 decade delay. China culture, if it is to Westernize, looks like another 3 decades after that – meaning they’d be living like West Germany 1975ish right now.

strativarius
November 11, 2025 12:46 am

Take Two…

Production company behind Panorama episode on Donald Trump now working on BBC documentary on Nigel Farage GB News

Rod Evans
Reply to  strativarius
November 11, 2025 6:24 am

Tim Davie the outgoing Director General who was minded to resign because of the made up Video of Trump 6th Jan 2021 and other fake productions involving Hamas/Israel reporting, Trans promotion etc. has just said on camera he is proud of the journalists and staff at the BBC. That suggests he was completely comfortable with the lies and false reporting the BBC presented as facts.
That begs the question, why did he resign if everything was good and broadcasting he was proud of? The head of News broadcasting was clearly also very proud and comfortable with output because she resigned too…

Reply to  Rod Evans
November 11, 2025 8:15 am

Davie said “We’ve got to fight for our journalism”

For once, why not fight for the truth, and not *your truth*?

MarkW
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 11, 2025 8:25 am

Journalism has become the art of teaching people what the government wants them to know.

Reply to  MarkW
November 12, 2025 6:24 am

“Teaching”, Professor McGullible? You wouldn’t recognize “teaching” if you tripped over it. I can tell because I’ve been trying to teach you the Second Law of Thermodynamics for months. Can you tell us what it says, yet?

KevinM
Reply to  strativarius
November 11, 2025 10:33 am

The easy response is that the old media is working on behalf of empowered political parties. Eventually the smell of malfeasance will drive away the less determined members of the empowered party – at which point they become counterproductive. Gets me thinking questions like: If the rest of the world had not invaded certain countries in WW2, would the people living in the invaded countries have (eventually) self-reorganized? Relates to recent Ill-Litercy Heartland Podcast with a Soviet historian, where the author of the subject book did not buy all of “USSR collapsed due to Cold War and Reagan” and had to emphasize the Soviet system had problems of its own.

gezza1298
Reply to  strativarius
November 12, 2025 7:35 am

No they are not as to no great surprise Reform have stopped their involvement with what would have turned out to be a big hit piece. Anyone recall how they have done similar things to those opposing climate science?

November 11, 2025 1:30 am

They could run it through the FRLD as a feel-good exercise, maybe even counting it toward the annual payment. A lot of foreign aid is already counted that way.

The problem here is that once it gets a UN label, the UN then get to administer it. And administration costs often outdo the actual amount given. It is like those charities that give 10% of what they take in. Only the UN uses all that they take In for administration.

The Un is a black hole that eats money. Time to kill this rancid organism.

Maybe California can step up where the USA were before Trump – ha, haaa!

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  RickWill
November 11, 2025 2:00 am

The UN, like NATO has outlived its usefulness.

Reply to  iflyjetzzz
November 11, 2025 5:22 am

The UN yes, NATO no. If you lived in the Baltic states, you might have a different opinion.

KevinM
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 11, 2025 10:38 am

NATO for Europe makes sense. With USA’s largest economic relationships being Mexico, Canada and China, does NATO for USA make sense?

Bruce Cobb
November 11, 2025 2:04 am

So, denial, and putting a brave face on things. Good plan. And the irony is, the bad economics they are whining about is all due to them, and their economy-killing anti-fossil fuel agenda.

Rod Evans
November 11, 2025 4:02 am

All of these support funds start out small but they never get smaller.
The UN will love the idea a major economic block like the EU is prepared to put its name to a rescue/compensation fund that the bureaucrats can then deploy and no doubt claim it is insufficient so must be topped up annually perhaps from their much desired(by them) carbon tax levy.
These people are not to be underestimated, they have already destroyed much of the Wests energy security and with it actual national security. They have a mission to remove Nation status from countries and thus remove national identity. The One world government they desire administered by the UN is not going away.
We must continue to resist this endless attack on our rights and freedoms, attacks advanced by the anti West movement through the UN and other International agencies available to them.

KevinM
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 11, 2025 10:39 am

“Never spend the principal”

sherro01
November 11, 2025 4:34 am

David,
Thank you for this serious warning.
Since I was first bruised by United Nations action in the 1970s, I continue to be surprised and dismayed by their power to cause moves that are both not what the UN was supposed to do and also not representing the wishes of the affected people.
This bureaucratic muscle pressure is being shown by IPCC.
Is there any sign that President Trump will withdraw from the United Nations or patch up some deficiencies?
The horrible BBC editing currently in the news, his threat to sue, might have him in a mood to neutralise more nasty organisations. Many of us in Australia hope so. Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
November 11, 2025 6:39 am

I don’t think Trump is thinking about withdrawing from the United Nations, but he may withdraw from some of the UN agencies.

I think Trump thought the speech he gave before the UN Assembly was a huge success (as did I), and he might want to use that forum again, so the UN is useful to him (and us) for some things.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 11, 2025 8:37 am

I don’t believe that giving an occasional speech is worth the cost of the UN.
Even if the US weren’t in the UN, if the US president requested an opportunity to address the general assembly, the he/she would be given the opportunity.

David Wojick
Reply to  sherro01
November 11, 2025 9:48 am

Unfortunately UN membership by the US is both a treaty and a law so the Pres cannot withdraw. I doubt he can even withdraw from the UNFCCC as that too is a treaty. The Paris Agreement is not a treaty just a presidential agreement, as they are called, so he is withdrawing effective January.

KevinM
Reply to  David Wojick
November 11, 2025 10:42 am

Yes, thanks for truth.

Reply to  David Wojick
November 11, 2025 11:05 am

It would take both the Senate and The House to “de-ratify” a treaty.
Possible, but unlikely anytime soon.

gezza1298
Reply to  David Wojick
November 12, 2025 7:39 am

He cannot do it by Executive Order but it must be able to be done by legislation. However, he would need a big Senate and House majorities given how many RINO traitors still exist in both.

William Howard
November 11, 2025 5:04 am

not to worry – Guiterrez has a new plan to save the movement – censorship of any negative comments – back to the good old pandemic days – good luck with that

observa
November 11, 2025 5:22 am
KevinM
Reply to  observa
November 11, 2025 10:45 am

Thanks for link. I’m looking forward to future photos of the forest reclaiming the COP site, like photos of abandoned Detroit Michigan USA car plants and Eastern Bloc olympic sites.

November 11, 2025 9:14 am

There are forests and there are wolves….but the fable of the “boy who cried wolf” is actually illustrating human behavioral traits….COPxx’s are examples of how far the phenomenon can go…

KevinM
Reply to  DMacKenzie
November 11, 2025 10:50 am

Is the fable of the “boy who cried wolf” allowed in modern education? I was amazed by some ideas my kids learned, like international money exchange, and amazed by some ideas they did NOT learn, like the “boy who cried wolf”… and my kids are adults now. Are fables cancelled now? Have they been modernized, so it’s the They who cried wolf? Anyone raising a fable-aged child in public school in 2025 know?

KevinM
November 11, 2025 10:05 am

Cool. Maybe they can figure out a Dispatchable Emissions Free Resource while they’re there. New York is really counting on it.

Bob
November 11, 2025 1:04 pm

No money to any international government or organization. It is bad enough that our own federal and local governments waste our money why on earth would we ask for more waste?

Edward Katz
November 11, 2025 6:06 pm

It’s probably an accurate prediction that these COPs and similar meetings will be kept on life support for awhile now. After all, why would the future attendees scuttle a deal which funds a free ride to some exotic place where they don’t have to accomplish anything? Note how none of these affairs is ever held in some location in Siberia, Manchuria, Alaska, Labrador, northern Scandinavia or Iceland. Could it be that the delegates are afraid that the alleged global warming might make these places too unbearable?