Michael Jonas
When the Australian government set up a “Senate select committee to investigate misinformation and disinformation in climate science and energy”, I didn’t find out until a few hours before the deadline for submissions from the general public. Things were made a little more complicated by the fact that I was travelling overseas at the time, with only a mobile phone to prepare a submission on.
It was a reasonable assumption that the government was not going to let any submission from the public sway them away from their position that anything that even questioned climate “science” was just misinformation or disinformation. So in a sense, sending in a submission was a waste of effort. On the other hand, if they didn’t receive submissions that challenged their position, then they would obviously claim that they were justified when they subsequently brought in legislation banning climate “misinformation” – which surely is their objective (or something like that). I therefore felt that it was important that I send in a submission, and hopefully many others have too.
The submission had to refer to a specific clause or clauses in the terms of reference, but apart from that there were few restrictions.
I have now been advised that my submission has been received, but goodness knows whether anyone in government will actually read it. Anyway, this is it:
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I refer to The Senate Select Committee on Information Integrity on Climate Change and Energy, and specifically to the terms of reference item
(a) the prevalence of [] misinformation and disinformation related to climate change [];
My name is Michael Jonas, I live at Exeter, NSW, my qualification is an MA in Mathematics at Oxford University UK, and I have spent much time over the last few decades investigating climate science from a mathematical perspective. Please note that this is very relevant because (i) climate models are a mathematical construct, and (ii) science is founded on mathematics (it is a well-known maxim in science that if the maths is wrong then the science is wrong).
I have particular expertise and interest in computer modelling, having been involved in the design and development of computer models before the IPCC was created.
My main points:
– Scepticism based on maths or science is routinely dismissed as misinformation.
– This avoids scrutiny where scrutiny is needed.
– Everything should be treated on its merits in open and free discussion.
Misinformation
Scepticism about climate change is routinely classlfied as misinformation by those who promote the mainstream position on climate change. This very conveniently gets them out of having to justify their position in an open and free discussion. The foundations of their position are shaky (see below) and would be exposed in an open discussion. As the US Supreme Court judge, Louis Brandeis, said about exactly this kind of situation in 1913, “sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants”.
The simple fact is that a lot of the misinformation about climate change comes from its proponents.
Climate models
As I said above, these are a mathematical construct, so are within my area of expertise. I have examined aspects of the climate models and have documented in a published paper how they are mathematically invalid – their structure is the structure used in the short term calculations of weather models, but mathematically this structure cannot work for the climate. A totally different structure is needed for the longer term nature of climate.
The paper is titled “General circulation models cannot predict climate” and is accessible at
https://wjarr.com/content/general-circulation-models-cannot-predict-climate
From the abstract:
This study draws on Chaos Theory to investigate the ability of a General Circulation Model to predict climate. The conclusion is that a General Circulation Model’s grid-level physical processes and parameterisations cannot predict climate beyond maybe a few weeks. [] The longer the timescale is, the less relevant the grid-level physical processes and parameterisations in a General Circulation Model become. [] A General Circulation Model calculates weather at each time step and this is then amalgamated into a final prediction of climate. This process is back to front. A realistic long term climate model would calculate climate and then weather would be deduced from the climate.
Clouds
Another area that I investigated was the overall behaviour of clouds. The question that I asked myself was: in which part of climate physics are the climate models most likely to be most wrong? The answer was in the behaviour of clouds. Mathematical analysis of the data showed that cloud behaviour was not dependent on CO2, whereas the IPCC reports and the climate models that they are based on all showed cloud behaviour being dependent on CO2. This makes an enormous difference to the models’ outcomes, because about half of all the models’ predicted warming comes from clouds and is attributed to CO2. If instead, as I found, cloud behaviour is independent of CO2, then the predicted warming from CO2 is halved and becomes quite benign. Nothing to worry about at all
My paper is titled “Clouds independently appear to have as much or greater effect than man-made CO2 on radiative forcing”. It is accessible at
https://wjarr.com/content/clouds-independently-appear-have-much-or-greater-effect-man-made-co2-radiative-forcing
From the abstract:
The patterns of behaviour of clouds, both for cloud area and cloud optical thickness, are studied over the period of available data, 1983 to 2017. There was a decrease in cloud cover over the study period, while global surface temperatures increased. The patterns of clouds and temperature indicate that the cloud cover decrease could not have been caused by the increased surface temperature. [] The climate models, which have zero or negative cloud impact on radiative forcing independently from CO2, need to take this into account in order to avoid over-estimating the influence of CO2.
Summary
I find it quite distressing that ideas stemming from genuine mathematical and scientific analyses that cast doubt on the mainstream climate message are routinely dismissed as misinformation, when much of the mainstream climate message could itself quite reasonably be classified as misinformation.
What we need to do to rectify the situation is to stop using the term “misinformation” and instead to have an open and free discussion about all aspects of the climate.
If we can do this, I am confident that we will find that climate change is far less of a threat than it is thought to be, and is actually quite benign.
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Great insights and article Michael.
Very wise of you to anticipate rejection of your position by this “investigation”.
Reality is – the organizers are going to dismiss any challenges to the “settled science”.
(How can any honest practitioners claiming to be scientists accept any such utterance as “settled science”?)
If it is “settled”, it is not science.
Amen to that. If it is “settled,” it is politics.
The submission of Jennifer Marohasy also seems to have been directed to the out-basket. Anything that doesn’t support their predetermined outcome will not see the light of day. That is the nature of our despicable socialist government.
These experiences reinforce the notion that AGW is NOT about science. It’s about politics and adherence to political dogma. In a political debate, it’s not about the science. It’s about Our Side vs. Their Side.
The AGW is about The Far Side.
Indeed
Wry smile for you Joseph!
UN officials over the years have repeatedly and in public stated it was not about the environment but rather about changing the world’s economy and social order (aka One World Order).
Marohasy’s submission is up on the senate site:
(PDF 108 KB)
This is especially true when the Senate committee was instigated by the Greens, who treat any discussion sceptical of `the science’ as rubbish and obvious misinformation. However, we must try to influence the result, by making our points as clearly and validly as possible, so that they know that they are based on real observational science not just speculation or models.
This is getting real hot
you are not the only one objecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rNvmmjnN4M
Keep up the good work
Well said. Until there’s honest debate nothing will be ever settled about climate.
Using the wrong (or invented) numbers…..
Your submission is on the Senate web site as is mine:
(PDF 611 KB)
I am somewhat surprised mine has been published. Mine is in the Trumpian style.
The vast majority of submission are against the misinformation legislation. Their ABC is an exception of course.
I am not surprised I was not called to give evidence.
Thanks. I see that mine is submission #164. (Senate enquiry main page is here).
[oops, sent without the links, now ediited in]
There were too many submissions for me to ask Grok to read them all, so I asked Grok to do a spot check for how the individual submissions lined up (most are by organisations). Grok picked 12, and came up with:
4 in Category 1: Regards climate scepticism (or related denial/alarmism critiques) as misinformation that needs addressing/suppression. – Dr. Adam Lucas, Ross De Rango, Anonymous (via search), Dr. Elena Rossi
6 in Category 2: Takes the opposite view—argues scepticism is valid science/debate, and the “misinformation” label itself stifles inquiry or is the real distortion. – Dr. Peter Ridd, Dr. Jennifer Marohasy, Michael Jonas, Richard Willoughby, William James Pinkerton, Scott McCamish
2 in Category 3: Neutral, balanced, or focused elsewhere without a clear position on the scepticism-misinformation binary. – Celeste Pater, (unnamed individual)
There were about 100 individual submissions, so it’s interesting that in a random pick, Grok picked those ones.
For the record: Senator Malcom Roberts has made a submission. His main points are very clear:
The climate and energy narratives are both based on, and
riddled with, Misinformation/Disinformation and we need to give people the best means to stop
Mis/Disinformation – which is rational thought, free speech and open public debate.
My submission’s primary conclusion is that within Australia, the biggest spreaders of mis-disinformation on the climate and energy narratives are governments (both Liberal-National and Labor-Greens) and the Greens party.
My secondary conclusion is that we do not need a mis-disinformation bill. The foreshadowed 2026
reintroduction of the Misinformation And Disinformation censorship legislation seems to be the unstated underlying reason that the Greens introduced this inquiry.
…and we also need to account for the true cost of fickle energy in the sums-
Glencore said energy costs in Queensland’s north-west were double or more than those in India, China, Canada and the United States.
Glencore refinery sites stay open with taxpayer funds
PS: What more can you say?
Gas crisis threatens Whyalla rescue bid, steel giant warns
and more broadly-
No future made in Australia without gas: Bluescope boss
Or more plainly put, clouds have more effect on sunlight reaching the ground than CO2.
No PhD required. Simple enough for even politicians or journalists to understand?
“Simple enough for even politicians or journalists to understand”
Obviously not !!
The earth’s energy systems are thermal engines. The energy source is the sun warmed oceans and the governor is clouds.
There aren’t any “earth’s energy systems” which are “thermal engines”.
The Earth is a big, mostly glowing hot, blob of rock some 300,000 km distant from the Sun.
Slowly cooling, therefore.
If you disagree, you might care to back up your opinion with some facts.
No offense intended.
So, the Climate LIars want to make telling the truth about climate illegal. How interesting. And predictable.
“A realistic long term climate model would calculate climate and then weather would be deduced from the climate.”
This is a good point. Not sure a confirmed long-term theory of climate is available to implement as a model, though. In any case, it should never have been proposed to use pre-stabilized, time-step-iterated, large-grid, discrete-layer, parameter-tuned general circulation models to apply assumed GHG “forcing” scenarios. The circular nature of this exercise should have been obvious from the beginning.
On the other hand, for the present debate about the potential influence of rising concentrations of CO2 and other IR-active gases, the general circulation modeling for reanalysis purposes – e.g. ERA5 – can show us how absurd it was all along to expect any harmful influence on the climate system. This is demonstrated from the ERA5 computation of energy conversion within the general circulation. Please see this recent comment to the USEPA and the supporting material referenced therein.
https://www.regulations.gov/comment/EPA-HQ-OAR-2025-0194-0305
Excellent!
For every dictatorial power those who think different are terrorists.
Let’s set up a logic train and see where it leads:
*Fewer/thinner clouds means more sunlight on the Earth’s surface,
*More sunlight means higher surface temperature,
*Higher temperature means more evaporation/humidity,
*Higher humidity should mean more clouds- one of nature’s negative feedbacks, but,
*We see fewer/thinner clouds!
So, let’s try a different logic train:
*Vulcanism puts a lot of trash in the atmosphere,
*This trash causes widespread cloudiness,
*Which causes cooler Earth temps, and “years without summers”,
For the last 60 years or so, humans have tried to reduce “air pollution”,
*Controlled wildfires, industrial exhaust scrubbers, cat cons on autos,
*Which means less “trash” in the atmosphere,
^Which means fewer/thinner clouds!
^Aha!
Have we found the real Anthropogenic Global Warming? Clean air?!
Very nice.
Mr Jones and all of the commentors are spot on in their discussion of the weather. There is no climate change of any note in the last 1 million years when ice began accumulating at both Greenland and Antarctica. This has occurred without a break and even the 6 or so Milankovitch cycles have not intervened in this process. So by extension, these cycles are affecting sub climate change activity and not the full Monty.
The fundamental flaw of the alleged ‘climate’ industry is their capacity to use 1800 as the start date of the man induced global warming.
Both the Bible and other forms of dating have the Earth being in existence well before this time spot.
All information has pre 1800 as being part of the Little Ice Age. And before that even it had been much hotter, all without human influence. Just normal weather cycles.
The Chinese have recorded several Dynasties who owed their longevity to a warm weather pattern and failed when the temperature dropped to the pre–Industrial Level. In their pomp the Dynasties enjoyed weather that was as much as 5C above the 1800 mark. The Chinese have the receipts.
It is this point that much be hammered more often and more loudly.
Nothing else is relevant.
The reality is that despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2, methane, or flurocarbons have any effect on out global climate system. The AGW hypothesis has been falsified by science. It is all a matter of science.