By Robert Bradley Jr.
“Modern wind farms are reliable, safe, state-of-the-art power plants with well-tested technologies that meet approved standards and hundreds of thousands of hours of operating experience,” the U.S. Department of Energy states. Except when they fail under normal conditions–or abnormal ones.
“Wind Turbines Destroyed by Typhoon Yagi,” read one recent headline. This (during peak hurricane season 2024) has wind power in the (not-so-good) news. Not only were older turbines destroyed by the 150 mile-per-hour typhoon (Category 4 in hurricane terms); new “more efficient typhoon-resistant versions” were leveled too. For multi-million dollar structures, the risk and the cost of insurance are major issues.
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The U.S. offshore wind industry will be spared–but only because of projects that have been abandoned or delayed. But what would happen if such naked structures are built, particularly in the Gulf of Mexico or off the Atlantic Coast?
The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences research article, “Quantifying the Hurricane Risk to Offshore Wind Turbines” (February 13, 2012), remains relevant today to the energy policy debate. DOE’s recent confident statement, in fact, was pre-refuted by the five scholar authors.
The article’s conclusions follow:
“The U.S. Department of Energy has estimated that if the United States is to generate 20% of its electricity from wind, over 50 GW will be required from shallow offshore turbines. Hurricanes are a potential risk to these turbines. Turbine tower buckling has been observed in typhoons, but no offshore wind turbines have yet been built in the United States.”
“We present a probabilistic model to estimate the number of turbines that would be destroyed by hurricanes in an offshore wind farm. We apply this model to estimate the risk to offshore wind farms in four representative locations in the Atlantic and Gulf Coastal waters of the United States. In the most vulnerable areas now being actively considered by developers, nearly half the turbines in a farm are likely to be destroyed in a 20-y period.”
“Typically, wind turbines are designed based on engineering design codes for northern Europe and the North Sea, where nearly all the offshore and coastal wind turbines have been built. These codes specify maximum sustained wind speeds with a 50-y return period of 42.5–51.4 m/s (83–100 knots), lower than high intensity hurricanes.”
“Offshore wind turbines … will be at risk from Atlantic hurricanes…. Wind turbines are vulnerable to hurricanes because the maximum wind speeds in those storms can exceed the design limits of wind turbines. Failure modes can include loss of blades and buckling of the supporting tower.”
“In 2003, a wind farm of seven turbines in Okinawa, Japan was destroyed by typhoon Maemi, and several turbines in China were damaged by typhoon Dujuan. Here we consider only tower buckling, because blades are relatively easy to replace (although their loss can cause other structural damage).”
“There is a very substantial risk that Category 3 and higher hurricanes can destroy half or more of the turbines at some locations.”
Final Comment
Hurricane Category 4 and 5 winds are a threat to existing and even state-of-the-art industrial wind turbines. Category 3 (the baseline of the above article) is a real threat as far as is known. Category 6 (which climate alarmists predict is the future) will make all existing structures in hurricane prone waters susceptible.
The authors stay politically correct by looking to a new future:
Reasonable mitigation measures—increasing the design reference wind load, ensuring that the nacelle can be turned into rapidly changing winds, and building most wind plants in the areas with lower risk—can greatly enhance the probability that offshore wind can help to meet the United States’ electricity needs.
But such would increase cost, reduce output, and/or limit offshore wind below politically desired levels. All aggravate the already bad economics and poor prospects of offshore wind in the U.S.
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That’s like saying tires (or wheels) are relatively easy to replace (although their loss can cause other structural damage).
Gee, it’s hard to imagine what other structural damage could result from an out of balance wind turbine shaking itself to pieces on a 400 foot tall tower.
Just think of them as giant scarecrows. Then you’ll be in the lucrative repair business for life. Win!
900-plus foot tall towers now.
Modern wind farms are weather dependent, brittle, based on 200 year old technology that have combined hundreds of thousands of hours of operating experience over the course of combined millions of hours of existence. They provide energy 40% of the year and only operate in favorable weather.
I think the 40% is generous, and omits the inconvenient notion that whatever the actual percentage is, it can’t be matched to demand.
Way off topic!!
Humour!
Ok people it seems to me that there is too much criticism in relation to some posters here.
Looking at the last topics the usual interesting people just do not or only occasionally appear.
1. Year 2024 Contiguous U.S. Maximum Summer Temperatures Fail to Reach Levels Achieved 90 Years Ago in the Dust Bowl Era Despite Climate Alarmists Record High Election Year Hype – 0
2. A Desperate Run Through the Northeast Passage – 0
3. ‘Spoiled Brats’: Greenpeace Co-Founder Supports Pipeline Tycoon’s Campaign To Punish His Old Group – 0
4. Energy Election ’25: Oil and Gas on the Ballot – MyUsername
5. California’s trillion dollars floating wind fantasy – rtj1211, MyUsername
6. Rising Runways, Sinking Narratives: Maldives Debunk Climate Fears – 0
7. The Texas Oil Lawsuit which could Bankrupt Greenpeace USA – 0
8. Italy Demands the EU Scrap its 2035 Internal Combustion Phaseout – 0
9. Tropical Storm Francine Arrives – Just in Time – 0
10. Climate Reporting is Causing Anxiety in Children, Future Net Zero, Not Climate Change – MyUsername
11. Britain spending record £250m a month on electricity imports – Joseph Zorzin, ghalfrunt
12. Here’s How One Biden-Appointed Judge’s Ruling Could Bring Drilling in Gulf of Mexico to A Halt- Nick Stokes, MyUsername, Izaak Walton, vboring
What I am seeing is that such commentators as Nick Stokes, MyUsername, TheBentNail/TheRustyNail, appear to be disappearing. Not a good look.
As for posters as: rtj1211, Joseph Zorzin and ghalfrunt, I can not place them in many topics.
These posters have some input, being wrong is beside the point.
Chasing them off wit downgrades just reduces the total effect of the topic and forum.
There has to some humour in here somewhere.
So give Nick Stokes, MyUsername, TheBentNail/TheRustyNail, tj1211, Joseph Zorzin and ghalfrunt a go and enjoy life..
I mean how many really mis griff???
They may be wrong, usually, but add to the topics..
Humour off and back to normal.
Not sure why I’m listed with the fossil fuel haters and climate nut jobs. I don’t agree with anything they say. I get blasted because I think it makes sense to use worthless wood as an energy source rather than letting it rot in the forest. Such wood is a renewable resource produced by fossil fuel loving loggers and foresters- working hard to produce better wood products which everyone loves. I happen to detest large scale wind and solar energy. If someone wants solar on their roofs- fine, as long as they pay for it. I detest politicians who want force EVs on us. I detest people who sing the climate emergency opera because it’s good for their careers.
Depending on where you are, downed wood in forests may rot, or may become fuel for the next wildfire.
I agree. No idea why you were included. Maybe Greene was intended instead.
?????
While a list of recent and/or frequent commenters might be “interesting” commenters might be interesting, there are lots of reasons why someone might not be able to or want to comment on a particular post.
(Or maybe I just didn’t get the intent of your comment?)
And any changes made to strengthen offshore wind turbines will only make them more of a net energy sink. When integrated into an electrical supply system, they already take more energy to manufacture and operate than they will produce in their operational lifetimes.
Hey hey. “Peak hurricane season 2024”? Only six named storms in the Atlantic of which two hurricanes. BBC and the Guardian had us trembling with fear. Now over half way thu’ the. ‘Peak season’
I’m sure Soros is sacrificing virgins as we speak…
Michael Mann predicted 33 storms.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.
With wind and solar power, you lose not just the transmission and distribution lines (and maybe some on-pole transformers) you lose the power production equipment ITSELF.
This will prolong the length of blackouts and the related suffering (and deaths) and economic disruptions resulting therefrom.
“Reasonable mitigation measures—increasing the design reference wind load, ensuring that the nacelle can be turned into rapidly changing winds,”
Good luck with that.
I’m assuming that’s supposed to be an automatic process? How quickly can the nacelles swivel?
Not sure about how quickly the nacelles can swivel. But yes, no doubt it is automated in terms of sensors and actuation, as opposed to a purely aerodynamic centering fin like a weather vane or like a vertical fin on an aircraft. My main point here is that the extreme conditions in a strong hurricane, with large ocean swells, would produce turbulent motion in all directions. The safety margins for blade, hub, and tower design would have to be very large. And if a centering system is critical to avoid overload failure, then that system itself becomes critical to remain functional in the worst conditions. That’s another reason why my first inclination was to say “good luck with that.”
Totally agree. It seems it would have to power itself as well. So if wind strength is too high, the blades will be shut down, thus no power to the directional systems?
How high can ocean swells (waves) be before the blades hit the water?
Pretty high, judging from the head image for this article, which is from Vineyard Wind. Looks like it would have a clearance in calm conditions of about one blade length.
This is just another reminder that using windmills on the electrical grid requires an equal amount of conventional power generation (Coal, natural gas) to be up and running as a backup, which means anyone using windmills and solar has to provide conventional backup, or the grid fails.
Industiral windmills and solar are a dead-end. They can’t do what civilization needs them to do: Power our lifestyle.
We should abandon windmills and solar and use coal and natural gas and transition to nuclear. That’s what will work. Windmills and solar are an insane diversion from reality.
I’m sorry. I was going to write “Which one or our…..” This was getting political so I pulled back.
In another part of the same forest, came on this:
Juergen Maier, chair of Great British Energy, said: “This report marks an exciting step towards unlocking the next 20 to 30 GW of offshore wind pipeline – enough power for the equivalent of almost 20m homes.”
So lets see, the British already have 30GW of wind, and there are about 28 million households. On Maier’s reasoning all they should need is another 5-10GW, and that’s all the UK households taken care of.
Why, if Maier is right, is the Government insisting on building out to close on 100GW of wind? If he is right this should be enough, on its own, to support 80 million households.
Intermittency, of course. The fact that dare not speak its name.
Waiting to find out what exactly Great British Energy is going to do. We know its going to absorb £5-10 billion, what we don’t know is what its going to do with it. Apart from paying Mr Maier.
Homes powered is a silly metric. What about industrial, commercial and government buildings? Wind powers zero homes when the wind doesn’t blow and solar powers nothing at night or in cloudy weather. To have reliable electric power you need two things – 1) reliable 24/7/365 base load power that meets most of the minimum continuous demand and 2) dispatchable rapidly adjustable peaking power to match supply to fluctuating demand. Wind/solar do not eliminate the need for either but do compromise the efficiency and economics of both.
Now do hurricane damage to turbines after landfall?
Green prayer wheels are as fragile as they are ugly.
“But what would happen if such naked structures are built, particularly in the Gulf of Mexico or off the Atlantic Coast?”
What would happen if airliners crashed at the same rate as these windmills? It’s all APM — Other Peoples’ Money. Except it’s really not.
As a test, they should try to get insurance on these things. From a real insurance company, not the taxpayers.
The solution is so simple, take the money you are wasting on wind and solar and build new fossil fuel and nuclear generators. Your power will be more affordable, available all the time, is no threat to the grid, will not slaughter our wildlife, has long life expectancy and can be cranked up or down if needed. It’s a no brainer.