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British National Election 2024: A Climate Policy Muddle

Climate skeptic Nigel Farage has established a beachhead in British politics, at the cost of delivering a supermajority to the green socialist Labour party.

Labour leader Keir Starmer is now Britain’s Prime Minister. But nobody knows what will happen next.

British Labour, which champions hard green policies, except on days when they don’t, has won a landslide victory in today’s British national election, but only because climate Skeptic Nigel Farage split the Conservative vote.

This election has upended British politics. A strange new landscape is revealed

Rafael Behr
Fri 5 Jul 2024 13.47 AEST

Tribal loyalties and political certainties are falling away, but the Conservatives have been felled by a determined coalition 

Elections do not change countries overnight. They reveal changes that were hidden – or visible but neglected – beneath layers of political complacency and cultural habit. The seismic event that has delivered Labour a vast haul of seats tells of tectonic pressure that started building long before Rishi Sunak’s rain-sodden campaign launch six weeks ago, in what already feels like a distant land.

Although opinion polls made a Conservative defeat look inevitable, there is a difference between forecasting regime change and waking up in a Britain that has dispatched scores of Tory MPs to political oblivion and chosen Keir Starmer to be prime minister with a commanding majority.

To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure. The imperative to punish the Tories for years of political malpractice was palpable on the campaign trail in a way that exultant Starmer fandom was not. But contempt for an incumbent government and enthusiasm for the only available replacement are never exactly matched. The volume of Liberal Democrat gains in some former Conservative strongholds is partly an endorsement of Ed Davey’s party, but swing voters in those constituencies knew that evicting the local Tory would help propel Starmer into Downing Street. They were happy to take that chance.

The same cultural faultline shows up in the handful of seats that Reform has won and many more where Nigel Farage’s party has pushed the Tories into third place. On terrain prepared by the 2016 leave vote, Reform has embedded itself as the natural repository for dissatisfaction with the status quo. Farage himself, finally achieving penetration of the Commons after seven failed attempts, will act as a beacon of anti-Westminster, anti-immigration, nationalist reaction. He will exploit his new parliamentary berth much as he used the platform he had as a member of the European parliament, sabotaging the institution from within, feasting on the privileges it affords him while denouncing the whole system as rotten.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/05/election-results-labour-conservatives-upended-british-politics

Obviously there were many other issues at play than climate policy, though cost of living rises caused by failed Conservative green energy policies were a significant factor.

But let’s focus on climate policy. What are Keir Starmer’s plans for Britain?

OK, Starmer is not keen on climate policy. Or is he?

Seems pretty keen on climate change right? Or is he?

Whatever Starmer does, he has to restore growth, provide lots of factory jobs for the unions, implement the Woke agenda, without upsetting some of his more socially conservative supporters, and provide lots of subsidies for energy and jobs, without creating a debt blowout which could collapse the British economy.

Meanwhile Farage, who took 14% of the national vote and threatens a real political breakout in the next election, will be doing what Farage does best, calling out every mistake and misstep, reminding voters why his is the party of lower energy bills, and an end to wasteful government spending.

This is going to be an interesting five years in British politics.

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John XB
July 5, 2024 6:17 am

“… green socialist…”

Tautological.

Ian_e
Reply to  John XB
July 6, 2024 12:50 am

Yep, the previous green socialist Party (aka the Cons) has been replaced by another green socialist Party. One down, one to go!

Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 6:18 am

It seems to me that the election was a HUGE loss for voter who want to stop the Nut Zero insanity.

This is what I think happened:

Leftists (Labour Party) Get about 412 of 650 seats in Parliament, with Liberals (Tory Party) having Worst Result in Its History: Actual conservatives (Reform Party) gets about 13 seats.

I don’t know how many MPs oppose Nut Zero, but I suspect only 13 of them do.

strativarius
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 6:25 am

What happened is what always happens: one to the other….

And Parliament gets its way

Reply to  strativarius
July 5, 2024 10:21 pm

What do you think about proportional representation, Strat?

I used to think FPTP was the right way because that’s how it is in the UK. Now I’m leaning towards PR because the current political gravy train needs derailing.

I was also a strong supported of QEII, but Charlie’s not my darlin’

strativarius
Reply to  Redge
July 6, 2024 6:03 am

I think the entire system has to go.

Shytot
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 6:40 am

If you can only get 38% of the total vote (from a lowly 60% turnout) but still have 60+% of the seats, then landslide is not the first term that comes to mind. (and they thought that 51% v 48% – around 1.5 million votes was not enough for a mandate for Brexit).

Dull as dishwater Starmer will be shafted by all of his much more militant comrades sooner rather than later.
The problem is that when you try to pander to every minority’s “needs” you end up with mixed signals – the intolerant liberal left are very unforgiving and impatient.

If he has any sense, then avoiding the Net Zero poison chalice for as long as possible would be a good start – let Ed Moribund back himself and his delusions into a corner!

It’s going to be (another) 4 or 5 miserable years in the UK 🙁

Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 9:03 am

Unfortunately, it doesn’t really matter how many MP’s oppose Net Zero, it matters how many Civil Servants do. And the answer is probably close to zero – at least, among those that wish to keep their positions. Nothing happens in the UK that the blob doesn’t want – Yes, Minister may have been a comedy, but as with all good comedy there’s a big helping of truth attached.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 5, 2024 10:23 pm

I don’t think Farage will ever be PM, but I do think and hope he’s paving the way for real change in the UK

erny_module
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2024 1:55 pm

Prime Minister Farage! Both hilarious and appalling in equal measure. Farage has got more chance of being PM than I have of lowering haystacks from the boat deck of the Lusitania!

Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 9:50 am

Reform has 5 seats.

Yes, a loss for anyone opposed to Net Zero. But electing the Conservatives wouldn’t have helped. Same path, just a bit slower.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 11:50 am

Correction

Based on early exit polls, one source was estimating 13 Reform seats while the actual total was only 5.

There was an unprecedented gap between the 4 million votes Reform received (out of about 22.5 million) and the tiny number of seats they won. Same pattern for the Green Party.

If the seats were actually proportional to the number of votes, the results would have been very different

Results assuming UK general election voting system was under proportional representation:

Labour: 219
Conservative: 154
Reform: 93
Lib Dem: 79
Green: 44
SNP: 16

ethical voter
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 1:50 pm

Yes, but Britain does not have proportional representation and should never have. P.R. cements in political parties and they are the real problem regardless of which way they lean. They ensure that the type of person who should not have power does and that power is disproportionate.

Robertvd
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 5, 2024 1:35 pm

So the Tories got slammed because they looked just like Labour and than the people vote Labour.  What do they think the outcome will be ?

atticman
July 5, 2024 6:18 am

Clearly, a large number of former Conservative supporters wanted to make their anger felt by voting for Reform UK; sadly, not enough of them to break through (tho’ tactical voting with the intention of punishing the Conservatives has unexpectedly given the Liberal Democrats 71 seats). Perhaps people should be careful what they wish for…

Meanwhile in Scotland, Labour benifited from disillusionment with the Scot Nats.

strativarius
Reply to  atticman
July 5, 2024 6:26 am

Reform got more votes than the Lib Dem’s and only 4 seats

strativarius
July 5, 2024 6:22 am

The new Prime Minister: Mr Flip Flop.

Slippery StarmerA potted history of his flip-flopping, u-turns and flagrant dishonesty.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/13/slippery-starmer/

“””Here’s Keir Starmer on immigration, in 2020:
‘We have to make the case for freedom of movement.’
And here’s Keir Starmer on immigration, a few weeks ago:
‘Well, immigration is at a record high under this government – a complete failure. We need to bring it down.’
I think you get the picture.”””
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/13/slippery-starmer/

Before long the empty vessel will be filled…

bobclose
Reply to  strativarius
July 5, 2024 7:15 am

Sounds like our inept PM Albanese in Australia, God help you then!
As Shytot indicated, maybe he will wisely let Ed Moribund hang himself over NZ policies, then save the day by sacking him and getting together a more moderate energy agenda to give unionists back real jobs in heavy industry by encouraging investment in cheap traditional reliable power, instead of continuing to subsidize inefficient renewables and charging the public for it through their bills.

John XB
July 5, 2024 6:23 am

“… To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure. “

60% turnout, second lowest (59%) in history. Labour won with lowest share of vote ever. The Labour leader’s majority was half what it had been in the last election. The new Party Reform UK was second place in 100 seats usually Labour and Conservative are in top two slots. Many Labour seats won with small margins.

So, no it isn’t a positive endorsement of either Labour or the political establishment.

And then there is the crazy system. Reform got 16% of the vote and 4 seats, Liberal Democrat’s got 11% and 71 seats.

strativarius
Reply to  John XB
July 5, 2024 6:39 am

The [perceived] least worst or to stop x from winning etc.

Now the workings of so-called British democracy can be seen for the loaded dice it actually is

Petermiller
July 5, 2024 6:41 am

July 4 was obviously a sad day for Americans as they lamented their treasonous actions against the British Crown all those years ago.

It is now also a day when the British public committed treason against their own country by voting in a party commited to financially ruinous ecoloon climate policies, welcoming illegal immigrants, more kowtowing to the European Union, implementing ludicrous gender identity laws, imposing woke ideology and all that on top of the usual socialist nonsense.

Most of the world wonders why the US now has a choice between two geriatrics, both with few positive attributes. Yet in many western democratic countries, the choice of of potential leaders is equally dire, as has been recently witnessed in the UK and France.

I think I shall go and eat worms.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Petermiller
July 5, 2024 7:05 am

This was posted elsewhere:

  • Pick the top three winners in each district. When they vote in the legislature, they cast as many votes as they won in the election. I call it proxying.
  • Pick one random voter as the amateur, a volunteer of course, who proxies all the remaining votes.
  • If Alice gets 10,000 votes, Bob gets 9,000, Carol gets 2000, and a whole bunch of miscellaneous candidates get 5000, the amateur proxies those 5000 votes.

Several benefits:

  • It turns representatives into real representatives. Pretending the current system represents people who expressly voted against the single winner is a fraud.
  • The amateur doesn’t actually represent the disgruntled losing voters, but they obviously wanted to disrupt things, and an amateur who didn’t campaign and has no re-election worries stands a better chance of being disruptive than the mainstream candidates they voted against.
  • It makes it a lot harder for pundits and politicians to predict legislative votes, and vote trading becomes a lot more contentious.
  • Even in 200 years ago, the extra calculations would have been manageable. Today they are entirely invisible.
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
July 5, 2024 1:07 pm

Great, except the US is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. The founders were well aware of the potential for mob rule, which is why they created a second co-equal legislative chamber (Senate) wherein each state had equal representation. I can’t even imagine what kind of a mess we’d be in if representation in that chamber was proportional.

Gums
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 5, 2024 1:43 pm

thanks Frank, and I am still looking for the Labor platform, but suspect it is windmills, no new nukes, restrictions on ICE autos and the standard warmist agenda we have in the U.S.

Editor
Reply to  Petermiller
July 5, 2024 7:32 am

I don’t think the British voters voted in a party, I think they voted out a party. It will be interesting to see whether Reform can make good use of their four seats.

The other interesting question is – who gets the Tory leadership? The stupid Tory elites managed to prevent Kemi Badenoch from getting the leadership before. Now that so many of them have lost their seats, I imagine that Kemi can get in this time (if I have understood the Tory party rules correctly).

Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 5, 2024 1:18 pm

Good comment. Looks to me like the British electorate has concluded that the ‘Conservatives’ haven’t conserved anything, particularly with respect to promoting limited government. I’m sure there will be tough times ahead, but hopefully a truly liberal alternative to Labor collectivism will arise.

Reply to  Petermiller
July 5, 2024 9:27 am

a choice between two geriatrics,”

Trump was a terrific president. no matter that he was viciously hounded every step of the way. If he gets in again, wiser and more seasoned, I expect a better presidency.

If he appoints Vivek Ramaswamy to oversee the closure of Executive Departments and bureaucracies, then we may see an end of Education, DHS, EEOC, and the EPA, at least. Purging the Woke from the military, the FDA, the CDC, the CIA and the FBI. And possibly departure from the UN.

All to a cheering electorate.

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 5, 2024 9:41 am

Perfect, Pat. I couldn’t improve on that post.

Simon
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 5, 2024 5:47 pm

“If he gets in again, wiser and more seasoned, I expect a better presidency.”
Well that wont be hard. According to C Span he is considered the worst president in the last 150 years….
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?personid=20967

And they are not the only ones….
https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/

Reply to  Simon
July 5, 2024 7:27 pm

Says the simpleton that supports a mumbling, bumbling dementia-ridden fool who has brought the US to the brink of economic disaster and make it a point of mockery the world over..

Did you cheer the senile old git on during the debate, simpleton !!

Did you cheer when Jill told him, “you answered all the questions”, as if to a kindergarten student ?

kenji
Reply to  bnice2000
July 5, 2024 9:50 pm

I read her PhD dissertation, and can confirm she has a Doctorate in Kindergarten-speak

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
July 5, 2024 10:49 pm

You are such a lame silly man aren’t you. If you could understand what you read (there are two parts to reading… word recognition and understanding. Earth to bnice2000… one is useless without the other) you would know I have been saying for quite sometime that Biden needs to go. But I have always qualified it with … so does Trump. The world and US need to get out of this hole where the public despise them both.

Reply to  Simon
July 6, 2024 3:29 am

Yawn, get your derangement syndrome fixed, simpleton.

So do you want Michelle Obama or that Californian moron?

Trump is a far better person that you will ever be…

… and far more intelligent that you will ever be.

Only the far-left cretins like you despise Trump, and only because they believe far-left media propaganda and lies.

erny_module
Reply to  bnice2000
July 7, 2024 2:09 pm

Also, because he opens his mouth and confirms what we all know, and does it over and over again. Or perhaps you have a different Trump in your own tiny, simple world. I’d have to have a double lobotomy and an anvil fall on my head for Trump to be more intelligent. Your bar for intelligence seems to be suspiciously low…

Reply to  Simon
July 5, 2024 7:55 pm

I lived his presidency. The nay-sayers are wrong.

Biden would be thw worst president in 240 years, if he were president. In that case, Barack Obama would be second worst.

Simon
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 5, 2024 10:51 pm

Two democrats. Well that is a surprise. Actually Obama comes in at 10 just after Reagan. I’d say that’s fair.
While we are on it… does it not worry you that some of the “best people” Trump appointed have absolutely no time for him at all. Zero, they see him as a clown. Tillerson, Barr, General Kelly, General Mattis, Bolton, all of them see him as an utterly incompetent fool of a man who is totally unfit for the job. I mean, someone is wrong here, Trump or them?

Reply to  Simon
July 6, 2024 3:54 am

We see you as an utterly incompetent fool who is taken in by all the far-left media lies and propaganda.

As a result, you have zero grasp of the real world.

You are totally unfit to be commenting on any rational blog.

Tillerton was an energy executive.. why was he making comments on China.. sour grapes !!

Barr wasn’t on board with Trumps correct opinion of 2020 election fraud.. so what.

Mattis was a RINO.. so an incompetent fool himself.

Bolton was a disreputable warmongering turncoat who didn’t agree with Trump’s more diplomatic approach….

These were the ones not fit for their jobs. !

Reply to  Simon
July 6, 2024 11:05 am

all of them see him as … totally unfit for the job

And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.

And so who’s the fool — Trump, who succeeded, or Tillerson, Barr, General Kelly, General Mattis, Bolton, who deny the evidence before their eyes (as you, too, clearly do) for purely partisan reasons?

Michelle Obama said that the first thing America ever did to make her proud was to elect Barack. He shares her anti-Americanism.

Barack Obama is the first president since Woodrow Wilson to detest the Constitution. He took every opportunity to stoke racial hatred. He regularly entertained Al Sharpton at the White House. He grinned and buddied up to Louis Farrakhan, who, in the bitterest of ironies, claims a religious right to take slaves. In Cuba Barack Obama sat in comradely fashion with that bloody-handed cold-eyed killer Raoul Castro and let himself be photographed posing before a heroic profile of Che Gurevara, a psychopathic socialist murderer.

Barack Obama is not an American patriot. He will never be reckoned a good president by any one who cherishes individual freedom, or supports the United States as a Constitutional Republic of rights-holding sovereign citizens.

Barack Obama honors nothing of what makes America exceptional.

Simon
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 6, 2024 8:45 pm

There is so much bullshit in this it belongs in a paddock. But I’ll give you a chance.
Have you got quotes for
….. Barack Obama detesting the Constitution. Because I have one for Trump saying he wanted to terminate it. “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
….. M Obama saying ” that the first thing America ever did to make her proud was to elect Barack.”

I’ll wait…..

Simon
Reply to  Simon
July 6, 2024 11:16 pm

Here I’ll help you…. “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country — and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.
That is very different to what you said.
She was saying it was one of the proudest moments for her as an American. Why the hell wouldn’t she be… her husband just got elected president and he got there because the people want the changes he was offering to bring. I would be too.
And while we are talking about wive of presidents…. where is Melania?

Reply to  Simon
July 7, 2024 6:47 am

No sweat Simon. You have tendentiously misinterpreted Trump’s statement (no surprise, as misrepresenting Trump is an industry among progressives).

His “allows” refers to “massive fraud.”

The clear meaning is that he pointed out that the fraud itself terminated the Constitution.

Barack Obama: his entire approach to the Constitution is yeah, but. If he had his way, every right would be equivocated into non-existence in the cause of so-called social justice and ending so-called hate speech.
Equal justice before the law: gone as a principle
Freedom of speech: gone to protect the narrative.

Michelle Obama (your below): Your bolded phrase constitutes her afterthought. Her first time ever for pride was election of Barack.

For her “change,” see the above about Barack.

America:
The first state to assert the sovereign rights of individuals: no pride
The first state to center on individual rights: no pride
Bill of Rights: no pride
Civil War to end slavery: no pride
13th, 14th & 15th Amendments: no pride
Brown vs Board of Education: no pride.
Ending segregation and Jim Crow: no pride
Fighting Nazism and Japanese imperialism: no pride
Protecting Europe and the world from Soviet- and PRC-imposed slave states: no pride.

Michelle Obama is as a mindless prog., blind to a history that does not facilitate her prejudices.

Dream on, Simon.

Simon
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2024 2:17 pm

Nothing you posted here shows that Obama “detested” the constitution. Nothing.
The clear meaning is that he pointed out that the fraud itself terminated the Constitution.” But he was lying when he said the election was fraudulent. He had been told by numerous advisors, his own daughter, the attorney general and the guy he put in charge of running the election that there was no significant fraud (no more than usual). A lie does not permit someone to justifiably suspend anything, let alone the constitution. And the damage this lie has brought on the people, the democratic process and the rule of law in the US is huge. Yet you hold this charlatan in high regard. Says it all.

Reply to  Simon
July 8, 2024 8:01 am

Nothing you posted here shows that Obama “detested” the constitution. Nothing.

Except his disrespect of rule of law, and of free speech. Apart from that, nothing.

“But he was lying..” Well, except for the corrupted voter rolls.

“Mark Wingate, a Fulton County [Georgia] Elections Board member, testifies that he voted against certifying the 2020 election because the county did not verify the signatures on 147,000 mail-in ballots.

“”I asked what did we do for signature verification? And the comment I got back frankly floored me, ‘We didn’t do any.'”

Additionally, the county could not provide any chain of custody documentation or surveillance footage for mail-in ballots or ballot drop boxes.”

Mark Wingate’s affidavit (pdf)

Simon
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 8, 2024 12:49 pm

“Except his disrespect of rule of law, and of free speech.”
And you support Trump. Look up the word “hypocrite.” Trump the man who wants to shut down the free press. Trump the man who wants to subvert the democratic process. Trump the man who wants to prosecute anyone who dares hold him accountable.
And your Mark Wingate is one person in a sea others who have lied. Maybe he told the truth maybe he didn’t. The Trump cult members have said and done some terrible things. Start with Rudy Giuliani’s persecution of the Freemans, the election workers he now has to pay millions to for circulating outrageous lies about what they did.

Reply to  Simon
July 8, 2024 2:24 pm

Good luck and rant on, Simon.

Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2024 8:27 pm

“And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.”

Millions of California Predecessor lovers, including you, are effectively disenfranchised by the current winner take all electoral rules in most blue states. I hope you agree with me that all states should have proportional electoral representation. After all, your strong sense of integrity could not point you otherwise.

Reply to  bigoilbob
July 8, 2024 8:04 am

California Predecessor lovers

I’ve no idea what that means.

The electoral system as described in the Constitution, is fine.

Reply to  Pat Frank
July 8, 2024 8:18 am

Must have missed the last SOTU. Who was the US president before 46? IOW, his predecessor?

I am referring to proportional electoral representation, a la Maine, Nebraska, in every state. No constitutional change required. Up for it?

Reply to  bigoilbob
July 9, 2024 8:09 am

I’m not interested in ushering in a democracy by the back door.

Also, I’d like to see repeal of the direct election of senators section of the 17th Amendment.

Simon
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 8, 2024 1:24 pm

“And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.”
And let’s not forget these were “political jackals” he employed.

Reply to  Simon
July 9, 2024 8:17 am

Some of them, true. One doesn’t expect such widespread partisan betrayal by members of one’s own administration. He should be wiser, if there’s a next time.

But I was referring more to the Pelosi/Schiff axis and their associated crew of legislative scoundrels, who pushed the Steele document knowing it was false, and used it to leverage a fabricated (and likely treasonous) impeachment.

Reply to  Simon
July 7, 2024 1:32 pm

I belong to no political party, Simon. In past years, I tended to vote for democrats. I voted for Barack Obama, first term.

But he revealed himself as a progressive first and loyal to the Constitution never.

Meanwhile, the Democrat party under his suzerainty has gone full Jacobin, with virtually no protest from the legislative membership. Virtually none of them appear to honor their oath of office. I’ll never vote that party again, ever.

erny_module
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2024 2:05 pm

Trump was an appalling President, but at least he confirmed what the rest of the world had known for a long time – the intellectual state of the majority of US voters is as bad as it appears, and they’re proud of it. Trump wiser? Wiser than what? A dung beetle? A slug? A Sea Cucumber? He’s already set the bar ridiculously low – if he manages put his trousers on the right way round, that’s a major cognitive achievement.
Not just the worst President, but one of the worst examples of a human being I, and many others, have ever seen – and that he has supporters… how the entire US does not burst into flames from shame is beyond me.

Reply to  erny_module
July 8, 2024 7:28 am

All true. Which is why 46 can effectively hold us hostage. No one wants a presidency run by advisors and wives, a la ’84-’88. But even years of Weekend at Bernie’s is preferable to the reversal of US democratic norms under Predecessor.

Reply to  erny_module
July 8, 2024 8:05 am

is beyond me

Evidently, a lot is beyond you.

ethical voter
Reply to  Petermiller
July 5, 2024 2:00 pm

The ecoloons want you to eat worms to save the planet. The old order of party dominated representation is rotten to the core and like a rotten tree oftentimes it takes a storm to bring it down exposing new shoots.

Scarecrow Repair
July 5, 2024 6:58 am

only because climate Skeptic Nigel Farage split the Conservative vote.

It would be fairer to say

only because the Conservatives turned into Labour acolytes.

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
July 5, 2024 8:42 am

Blairites you mean..

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
July 5, 2024 1:20 pm

Bingo!

Editor
July 5, 2024 7:17 am

I am told that the ‘average’ seat was won with 42% of the vote.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 5, 2024 7:28 am

With a multi-party FPTP system that is to be expected.
Normally it would relapse to a two party system where anyone who didn’t want labour in, would vote Tory as the least worst alternative.

The Tories made themselves a more worse alternative.

There is no political talent in te Labour party whatsoever. They will also disintegrate in the next 5 years.

Either the Tories will completely reorganise themselves or Reform will win.

Our answer to AOC

OurAnge
Shytot
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 5, 2024 7:57 am

Not AOC – that’s what we call a bulldog chewing a bumble bee, with apologies to any bulldogs out there 😉

Reply to  Shytot
July 5, 2024 2:11 pm

Context?

Shytot
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 5, 2024 4:14 pm

The picture of Angela Raynor in the Leo Smith post

Reply to  Shytot
July 5, 2024 4:51 pm

‘Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities’
I guess every government should have one.

July 5, 2024 7:20 am

You only need look at who is ‘advising’ Labour on energy. Environmental and renewable lobbies to the absolute exclusion of anyone else.
We will see grid blackouts in this governments time

July 5, 2024 7:23 am

“Climate skeptic Nigel Farage has established a beachhead in British politics, at the cost of delivering a supermajority to the green socialist Labour party.”

No, that would have happened, Farage or not. The blame is solely on the Tories betraying the British people.

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  Shoki
July 5, 2024 9:43 am

An apathetic British people. If one doesn’t vote, they have no reason to complain when the government does stupid things.

ethical voter
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
July 5, 2024 2:17 pm

Easy to be apathetic when the choice is rubbish, rubbish or rubbish. Perhaps disillusioned more than apathetic.

Reply to  Shoki
July 5, 2024 11:12 am

The tories brought about their own downfall. If there was no Reform party to vote for, the turnout would’ve been a LOT lower.

kenji
Reply to  Shoki
July 5, 2024 9:54 pm

Oh stop all your sobbing! … Rishi said he’s sorry. He apologized. For what, I have no idea. But he apologized. Most likely for not being woke-enough, global warming/net-zero enough, refugee-welcoming-enough, trans-enough, or anti-British enough.

https://youtu.be/OGcn15ODltA?si=CleyYJ3RFxv2cd7W

And yeah … there’s a reason I chose a “Pretenders” tune to drive the point home. Cuck-servative Pretenders describe the Tories to a ‘T’

Shytot
Reply to  kenji
July 6, 2024 5:12 am

Unfortunately under labour we’ll be back on the chain gang with no brass in pocket!

rtj1211
July 5, 2024 7:48 am

To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure.

If the author can’t measure the level of positive endorsement or otherwise from the results, he should quit his job. It’s so simple it’s unbelievable.

On a personal level, Keir Starmer saw his own majority in Holborn and St Pancras cut dramatically by Andrew Feinstein, an Independent campaigning against the Gaza genocide and Starmer’s public endorsement of it. So his own constituents gave him a public spanking, even if it wasn’t sufficient to throw him out of Parliament.

As for the Party, it secured 34% of the popular vote, the lowest in modern times of any party entering majority Government. As a comparison, he secured 4.4 million less votes than John Major did in 1992, but gained 150 odd extra seats. He secured 3.2 million less votes than the ‘unelectable’ Jeremy Corbyn in 2017, who everyone said was a failure.

Labour’s sole achievement was to be the beneficiary of a ridiculous voting system which amplifies the success of the top party and visciously discriminates against smaller parties whose vote is not entirely concentrated into small areas (like Wales for the Welsh Nationalists, the various parties which contest elections in Northern Ireland). Reform UK got over 4 million votes, around 40% of what Labour achieved. They got 1% of the seats that Labour got, which is a farce of the first order.

So it’s absolutely bleedin’ obvious: Starmer’s party won simply because everyone wanted the Tories out. Everyone thought Starmer was a sleeping pill par excellence in terms of campaigning.

But because Labour and the Libdems had a pact to vote tactically and because most votes Reform UK garnered were a positive vote of those who had given up on the Conservative Party, the FPTP system gave Labour hugely more seats than they should have got.

The MSM, as ever so far up their own backsides that their eyes can just about see out of their mouths, are spinning this relentlessly as ‘a sea change in politics’.

For the ordinary folks on the streets, there’s zero sign of any change. Starmer will keep doing what Washington and Israel tell him to do, he will continue with the Net Zero nonsense, he will let the rich stay rich and he will make the middle class much, much poorer.

But let no-one at WUWT be in any doubt, Starmer does not have any kind of mandate from the people.

He just has a pass to 10 Downing Street which was arranged so conveniently by the way that the votes happened to fall in 650 independent elections.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  rtj1211
July 5, 2024 9:27 pm

And what do you think about the electoral college?

July 5, 2024 8:00 am

I briefly saw a reporter in the UK saying that the people voted for a change from the incompetency of the previous party. The citizenry was tired of massive inflation and skyrocketing fuel costs.

He went on to say that the new party will work on lowering inflation and develop green projects to lower energy costs.

I didn’t stop laughing for five minutes. You guys are sooo screwed.
My condolences.

FJB

Reply to  Brad-DXT
July 5, 2024 11:33 am

Frying pan -> Fire.

Reply to  Chris Nisbet
July 5, 2024 1:35 pm

Frying pan -> Dante’s inferno !!

Good luck surviving this !

Ian_e
Reply to  Brad-DXT
July 6, 2024 12:53 am

Yep: along with Australia, Germany, Spain …..

Reply to  Ian_e
July 6, 2024 7:46 am

Who do you think will be the first to hit bottom?

When the blackouts start and people revolt, will the military join the people or the elites?

July 5, 2024 8:11 am

only because climate Skeptic Nigel Farage split the Conservative vote”

Sorry, assumes facts not in evidence…namely that if Nigel Farage’s party were to magically disappear, all those voters would have voted for the Tories.

My understanding is that voters were thoroughly disgusted with the Tories because of their unwillingness to address pretty much ANY of the issues they were elected to address. They basically just rubber stamped every left wing idea whether on immigration, climate, energy, etc.

So Brit Conservatives are understandably disillusioned. If that’s actually the case (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), Nigel didn’t “split the conservative vote”, the Tories did by not earning the votes of their constituents, and based on what I’ve heard, it’s unlikely those Farage voters would have voted for the Tories no matter what.

I get the principle of choosing the lesser of two evils, but when there’s no “lesser” because the two evils act exactly the same…

chascuk
Reply to  Sailorcurt
July 5, 2024 12:30 pm

Spot on. If there was no Reform Party in my constituency I would have spoilt my voting paper by writing “None Of The Above” across it. Since 2020 I have found that necessary in the local elections. Fortunately there was a Reform Candidate and he got my vote.

D Sandberg
July 5, 2024 8:21 am

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“Whatever Starmer does, he has to restore growth… without creating a debt blowout which could collapse the British economy”.

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UK has voted to ensure themselves a debt crisis.

Reply to  D Sandberg
July 5, 2024 9:46 am

Yes.

Reply to  D Sandberg
July 5, 2024 11:41 am

We’re already in a debt crisis.

MarkW
Reply to  D Sandberg
July 5, 2024 3:30 pm

Government spending never has and never will spark an economic recovery

Reply to  D Sandberg
July 6, 2024 7:25 am

“…creating a debt blowout….”
Sorry, if you give up all your value added manufacturing jobs to China over decades, then your citizens order manufactured goods from China for decades more to save money because the loss of manufacturing has sent the economy into the doldrums….until you lose your ability to manufacture even household pots and pans economically….surviving on only circular “would-you-like-fries-with-that” economics with governments making more money on sales tax than the businesses do in profits…..
….Well you are screwed….very unlikely restoration can effectively occur….you are well on your way to becoming one of those dirt mounds under which archeologists discover some interesting artifacts in 8000 years or so….plus they assume climate change is why everyone is gone, rather than nobody being able to do any work for which someone else will pay them….

July 5, 2024 8:39 am

Farage said it would take 5 years to establish a serious large counter movement. 4 years of Labour in these troubled times should be enough to clinch that. Things were going to get much worse whomever w be in government. Farage can pick up the pieces..

Gregory Woods
July 5, 2024 9:00 am

How is ‘keir’ pronounced?

strativarius
Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 5, 2024 9:28 am

K-ear

Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 5, 2024 9:30 am

How is ‘keir’ pronounced?

Rhymes with “beer” …

… and that’s Sir Keir Starmer to you (and me) …

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Mark BLR
July 5, 2024 10:23 am

Us Yanks don’t recognize titles…we had a revolution a few years back.

Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 5, 2024 11:28 am

Starmer who spent his (working) holidays in communist Czechoslovakia and campaigned to abolish the UK Monarchy YET accepts a Knighthood! He also thinks women can have penises! (honestly). I would trust Big Joe before I would trust Sir Keir.

chascuk
Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 5, 2024 12:31 pm

R Sole 🙂

mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 5, 2024 9:02 am

Who really won? It’s that invisible party …. the Marxists. Democracy world wide is under attack and most people don’t even realize it. Start with never ending catastrophes promoted by the media to scare the populace, bankrupt the sitting governments, dilute the incumbent peoples’ voting power by flooding the country with aliens who’ve been promised and given their nirvana and escape from Marxism (only to reappear), and voila …. you have a new leader that will correct all the sins of Democracy.

July 5, 2024 9:18 am

An overwhelming vote for Labour in the UK is like an overwhelming vote for the present Jacobin-controlled Democrats in the US. it’s a vote for the destruction of one’s country.

The British electorate have voted to smother the UK into oblivion.

Editor
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 5, 2024 4:23 pm

Not so sure. 5 years may seem like a long time, but it’s the price that has to be paid to get rid of a useless government. If Britain can survive the 5 years, they may find that the spell has been broken and they can progress again.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 5, 2024 9:53 pm

I’ll tell you what — The US would not survive another 4 years of a Biden-like presidency.

Good luck to the UK, but with open boarders, Net Zero, and supine police, I don’t think the UK will either. The successor state will call itself the UK, but the center will be gone. It may take another kinetic restoration to set things right.

bobclose
Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 6, 2024 5:41 am

Agreed, you are being optimistic, but will the UK start looking after its economy and its people’s welfare now, instead of following the UN/EU climate mantra and related energy dystopia worrying about a future climate episode that will likely never happen?
The real issues are economic growth, more industrial jobs and cheaper electricity, so that people feel progress is being made again. We do not need the negativity of a supposed climate crisis with rules forcing us to change our living environment, our cars, the way we heat our houses, with no benefits in sight and a burgeoning bureaucracy sucking away all our taxes. If Labour cannot deliver us from any of these problems, and continues with the big government approach, then they will have failed us badly just like the Tories did.

strativarius
July 5, 2024 9:27 am

Labour will be happy to cooperate…

Joe Biden has said he is “proud” to be the first “black woman to serve with a black president” 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/07/05/biden-first-black-woman-serve-with-black-president/

Same wavelength

Elliot W
Reply to  strativarius
July 5, 2024 11:41 am

So, he identifies as a black woman now. Questioning that self-declared identification is a hate-crime, isn’t it?

strativarius
July 5, 2024 9:30 am

Reform have taken Basildon making it 5 seats

iflyjetzzz
July 5, 2024 9:39 am

Every country gets the government it deserves.
-Joseph de Maistre

Buckle up, Brits. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for the next few years. On the bright side, perhaps your country will serve as a cautionary tale for other countries considering the woke greenie path. I expect to see monumental levels of stupidity until you guys flush this government.

Reply to  iflyjetzzz
July 5, 2024 11:35 am

Agree. It has been said many, many times that Socialism has never, ever worked or been successful. There reply is always Our socialism is different!

July 5, 2024 9:41 am

To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure.

No, its very easy to measure. Just look not at seats but at percentage of vote. It was 34%. Lower than Corbyn a few years back, when he got the lowest number of Labour seats since the 1930s.

This was partly a vagary of the electoral system, partly due to splitting of the right wing vote between Reform and the Conservatives. And that was due to a move to the left of the Conservatives. Another element was simply fatigue. Both of the party, in office for 14 years now, and of the electorate, tired of being given soothing assurances and no action.

Here’s a breakdown of the main parties’ performance:

  • Labour Party:33.9% of the vote; 410 seats (63% of total seats)
  • Conservative Party:23.6% vote; 119 seats (18% of seats)
  • Reform UK:14.3% vote; 4 seats (0.6% of seats)
  • Liberal Democrats:12.1% vote; 71 seats (11% of seats)
  • Green Party:6.8% vote; 4 seats (0.6% of seats)
  • Scottish National Party (SNP):2.4% vote; 9 seats (1.4% of seats)
David Wojick
July 5, 2024 9:44 am

Five years is highly unlikely. Labour will quickly inherit the deep problems that the Cons could not handle and they will not either. Reform will gain (again) when Labour fails. Jo Nova has useful data on this at
https://joannenova.com.au/2024/07/farage-wins-in-the-uk-taking-14-across-the-country-the-revolt-against-the-establishment-is-underway/

Labour’s seat win is much bigger than their vote count, which is what really counts.

insufficientlysensitive
July 5, 2024 9:55 am

sabotaging the institution from within, feasting on the privileges it affords him while denouncing the whole system as rotten.

Than where’d all those votes come from? Maybe they didn’t believe in either Party as now constituted? Agreed, Labor governance might well suck, as did the ‘Conservative’ version for the last years. So what’s a citizen to do, bow and declare fealty to the losers at all costs? Mightily that concept sucketh. England needs take a deep breath, endure the antics of Green Labor, and see if Mr. Farage’s glacier grows or melts. If the greenies continue their program of Net Zero, that glacier may expand rather quickly when the power bills come due.

July 5, 2024 10:22 am

WUWT has an international audience.
Sometimes it gets confusing where a political party in which country generally stands on issues. (Particularly when a Party’s name and its stands mean just the the opposite of the word’s meaning in another country!)
It’d be nice to have a “Political Party Glossary”!
(But probably too hard to make since it would require constant editing!)

Gums
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 5, 2024 2:00 pm

agreed Gunga….I used think Labor was like the U.S. Democrat party ( NOT democratic, but democrat) and the Republican pary was like the British “conservative” party.

I was preivelege to serve during the yeara we had that old, affable guy called Reagan and the Iron Lady. Their policies and persona won the Cold War.

Well, we shall see and hope the nut zero folks do not have a lot of influence.

Gums sends…

Reply to  Gums
July 5, 2024 4:45 pm

Brittan has the Magna Carta.
The US has the Declaration of Independence.
The latter largely inspired by the former.
Here in the US many work to undo, for all practical purposes, both.
“Hail Bureaucracy!
Bureaucracy Rules it’s slaves!”
(That’s the future for Briton’s and US citizens.)

PS Why was July 4th selected for the British elections?
Was this year just a calendarial coincidence?
(Really, just asking. I never noticed British elections on “The 4th of July” before.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
July 6, 2024 12:08 am

No-one knows. It may have been pure unplanned chaos by an incompetent Tory Party.

But I suspect it was a bid to boost the independence parties, like the SNP, who have taken seats from Labour in Scotland for the last decade.

The Tories, who are now English nationalists not British nationalists, do not do well outside of England.