NDP ‘anti-fossil fuel advertising’ draft legislation – worthy of both the 1956 Soviet RSFSR Criminal Code or the other end of the political spectrum

From the BOE REPORT

Comedian Yakov Smirnov reminisced in 2014: “As a comedian in the Soviet Union, I was censored by the “Department of Jokes.” Well, actually it was called the Humor Department of the Censorship Apparatus of Soviet Ministry of Culture. I think they were hoping that by the time you finished saying their name, you’d be too exhausted to tell more jokes.”

The CIA, bless their hearts, translated the 1956 Soviet RSFSR Criminal Code, which you may know as Ugolovnyy Kodeks RSFSR if you run in such circles. It is a fascinating read, full of concepts like social danger, counterrevolutionary crimes, odd qualifiers (“This section shall not apply to persons who commit crimes in a state of intoxication.”), etc. Crimes against the Soviet system had their own preeminent status, as somewhat comedically noted (comedically because I did not have to live under it…):

You might wonder what kind of weirdo would go rummaging through such a document. I can’t answer that question specifically, weirdness has many stripes, but I can say that I know I did, and you may measure that as you will. The machinations of the old Soviet system have long been fascinating. It was somewhat startling then to read some recent proposed Canadian legislation and have a tiny voice sear through my brain saying “You’ve seen this before somewhere.”

Yakov Smirnov again: “So, a communist party official goes to a factory and says to one of the workers, ‘If you had a glass of vodka could you work today?’ The worker said, ‘I guess I could.’ ‘If you had two glasses of vodka, could you work?’ He said, ‘I guess I could.’ ‘If you had three glasses of vodka, could you work?’ He said, ‘I’m here, aren’t I?’ That joke did not pass.”

The legislation I am referring to is, of course, NDP MP Charlie Angus’ Bill C-372: An Act respecting fossil fuel advertising. You can’t help but burst out laughing if you read that Act’s name, and compare it to its contents.

The draft bill specifies penalties for producers (“on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding $1,000,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or to both”) and individuals of any stripe (“Every person, other than a producer, who contravenes section 6 is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $500,000.”)

The true scope of the legislation is driven home even more forcefully elsewhere in the bill, and no, it does not stop at advertising. This is Bill C-372’s definition of ‘promotion’ [emphasis added]: promotion means a representation about a product or service by any means, whether directly or indirectly, including any communication of information about the product or service and its price and distribution, that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.‍”

Don’t be silly, says the NDP, we’re not censoring anyone; the legislation is only aimed at false advertising. Sheesh, comrades, read the title. Mr. Angus himself, on Twitter: “Not to panic. #BillC372 doesn’t jail people for liking fossil fuels. It’s simply focused on false advertising…”

Really? From Bill C-372 itself: “8 It is prohibited for a person to promote a fossil fuel or the production of a fossil fuel…(b) in a manner that states or suggests that a fossil fuel or the practices of a producer or of the fossil fuel industry would lead to positive outcomes in relation to the environment, the health of Canadians, reconciliation with Indigenous peoples or the Canadian or global economy.”

Take a breather for one more memory from Mr. Smirnov: “It could take years to get a car in Soviet Russia at that time. So the guy goes to the car dealer and says, ‘I’d like to buy a car.’ The sales manager said, ‘Okay, put your name on the list, and come back in 20 years to pick up your car.’ The guy said, ‘Do I come back in the morning or in the afternoon?’ The manager said, ‘What’s the difference? It’s 20 years from now.’ The guy said, ‘The plumber is scheduled to come that morning.’ That joke did not pass either.”

OK, back to business. It will be necessary to address the catcalls that will be emanating forth from the bill’s defenders, guffawing in their lattes that someone would compare Soviet laws with Canada’s.

Remember a few paragraphs before, this nugget from Angus’ Act: “The draft bill specifies penalties for producers (“on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding $1,000,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or to both.”29dk2902lhttps://boereport.com/29dk2902l.html

Hey, would you look at that…

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Beyond the sentencing parallels, the overarching and all-encompassing murkiness is startling. A ‘representation about a product that is likely to influence or shape attitudes’ is so astonishingly broad that it catches almost any dialogue about fossil fuels at all. One could argue that influencing people negatively about fossil fuels would create a criminal, according to this legislation. That’s how broad and insidious it is; the bill seeks the power to control the narrative, however the authors would like to define it. The draft legislation is astonishingly even more broad based than the Soviet law 59-7, which only creates a criminal if the person did something ‘designed to arouse national enmity or discord’. According to the NDP, you would be guilty for simply ‘influencing or shaping attitudes’.

Almost everyone that speaks about energy would be a criminal under this legislation. Even Justin Trudeau, believe it or not. From the Liberal Party website: “We also believe that TMX could solve a core economic challenge we currently face.” That statement clearly violates ‘promoting the production of a fossil fuel…in a manner that states or suggests that a fossil fuel or the practices of a producer or of the fossil fuel industry would lead to positive outcomes in relation to the environment, the health of Canadians, reconciliation with Indigenous peoples or the Canadian or global economy.’

What can one conclude, when draft censorship legislation catches almost everyone that comments on energy? Which by definition is true, because if one speaks of fossil fuels long enough, with a clear brain, it will be necessary to admit fossil fuels are at least in some way beneficial for society.

The draft legislation is clearly laughable, but consider the very useful side effect. Like a phoenix rising from the ashes is something wonderful about all this legislative brain-gunk, and how it actually can help clarify and clear the air. Bear with me for a second before getting to that.

In the days after Angus’ press conference announcing the draft legislation, his supporters took to the airwaves in support. This tweet was from a writer at the far-end-of-spectrum National Observer: “You’ve hit a nerve @CharlieAngusNDP. One can measure the merit & strength of a climate policy by the reaction of the oil and gas companies and their political/media defenders.”

Think about the quality of thought that would “measure the merit & strength” of a censorship policy based on how upset the people being censored become. A naked and value-less attempt at provocation. An abdication of reason, an abdication of constructiveness, a purposeful attempt to do nothing more than get under someone’s skin.

The same vicious vacuousness forms the core of Angus’ attempt to do whatever it is he’s trying to do. In his new conference, he compared fossil fuels to tobacco, repeatedly, which is a handy shortcut indeed, because that comparison is the seal of authenticity – guaranteed ignorance, present. Comparing tobacco to fuel is a complete forfeiture of common sense: Tell us how you heat your home with tobacco. Tell us how a farmer fills his tractor with tobacco to grow your food. Tell us how virtually every consumer product and medical staple is made from tobacco.

When you think about it, this draft legislation and supportive reactions remind one of Alex Jones. Yes, that Alex Jones, the Infowars shotgun-mouth guy that claimed the Sandyhook elementary school massacre never happened. The type of guy that will stare the camera in the eye and declare Joe Biden or Hilary Clinton to be pedophiles. He’s a bombastic schnook that thunders away relentlessly, drifting further and further from sane dialogue like a boat that’s lost its tether. (I watched Alex Jones enter a ‘debate’ about the events of January 6. A person from each side presented arguments that were researched and reasoned. Jones floated in the middle, hovering and shouting, unable to rise to the level of the surrounding discourse in any vislble way. It was painful.)

You might ask what those could possibly have in common – hard left and hard right. Here’s the beauty of free speech: When every voice is allowed to be heard, the common person with any reasoning capability whatsoever can spot the lunatic. It doesn’t matter what your middle of the road political leanings are, there is a wide swath of people that just know instinctively to distance themselves.

Here’s what’s so awesome: When free speech is allowed, the lunatics plaster the fact that they’re lunatics right across their foreheads. They self-identify as such. We know who to exclude from civilized and/or constructive conversations. To a rational person, it becomes impossible to ‘take sides’ with these people, even if you agree with the underlying thesis they vaguely try to stand on.

The outstanding Tara Henley, an ex-CBC journalist now independent, had these excellent thoughts on her Substack the other day, in reference to what she calls identitarian moralism: “The problem with this ideology, I think, is that it has taken the very good instincts of very many well-meaning Canadians — This thinking has dominated the media. It’s a very difficult thing to unpack, because it is presented as a moral imperative. ‘If you are a decent person, this is how you should think about the world.’… Many of the arguments that I had in the newsroom, for example, were about pointing out that this is a political ideology and we are politicizing content… It’s very divisive. Many of its ideas go against the liberal, pluralistic ethos that many of us have been raised with.”

The liberal, pluralistic ethos Henley refers to is arguably one that we most want to see. Acceptance of various viewpoints, with the most important overriding criteria that they be grounded in reality. Universalities have to be.

There is no good path forward if thinking like this legislation is part of the discourse. It doesn’t fit with anything a society should be working towards, even if working towards a better environment. We have a lot of work to do. No productive person should be wasting a second even contemplating hate-filled fringe output, but because it is not fringe – taxpayers in one way or another funded this censorship legislation, right into the house of parliament – we can’t entirely ignore it.

Canada has a million things to fix, like the cost of living, like housing, or Indigenous drinking water, or our lamentable military capabilities. As part of the global energy community we are part of many fantastic new energy developments that we can build, and build especially well, if we leverage the full might of our hydrocarbon sector, and not work to erase it. There is no room in the discourse for the spectrum-end wingnuts.

Having said that, the last thing we want to do, or should do, is silence them, censorship is for doomed dictatorships. But we don’t have to fixate on them – the best thing is to just step around them and get to work.

Energy conversations should be positive, grounded in reality, and…funny! Life depends on it, both the energy and the humour. Find out more in  “The End of Fossil Fuel Insanity” at Amazon.caIndigo.ca, or Amazon.com. Thanks!

Read more insightful analysis from Terry Etam here, or email Terry here.

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Richard Greene
February 16, 2024 6:11 am

Canada is becoming Cubanada, thanks to Justin TrueDope, who even looks like Fidel Castro

Mr.
Reply to  Richard Greene
February 16, 2024 8:28 am

So Jussie’s smarmy appearance must come from Marg?

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 16, 2024 9:14 am

He looks like a chipmunk do I need to post a picture?

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
February 16, 2024 9:48 am

Actually he resembles a love child between Castro and Hitler

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 16, 2024 4:23 pm

It is amazing how often guys look like people that vacationed with their mothers.

commieBob
Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2024 7:41 am

Wrong! Cuba is warm.

It’s actually the People’s Republic of Soviet Canuckistan.

Tom Halla
February 16, 2024 6:12 am

The NDP is trying to make Castreau look reasonable?

strativarius
February 16, 2024 6:14 am

When it comes to this sort of stuff I’m reminded of Mikhail Bulgakov’s masterpiece: The Master and Margarita.

It still has much to say

Coach Springer
February 16, 2024 6:16 am

 … likely to influence or shape attitudes” Yes, that could theoretically apply to all speech – especially Mark Steyn. Except if it’s so lame or incoherent it isn’t “likely to influence.” Sounds like protection for your average alarmist.

John the Econ
February 16, 2024 6:54 am

The funny part is that as far as fossil fuels are concerned, this doesn’t really matter. People today don’t buy fossil fuels because of marketing or anything we say but will continue to consume them because they remain the best value for the money.

As Mr. Smirnov will confirm, tying to censor people who point out the obvious will only reinforce the obvious.

Drake
Reply to  John the Econ
February 16, 2024 7:36 am

Just think. If oil companies can’t advertise, then Madison Avenue and all the other advertising businesses will loose business, and money.

In fact when TRUMP! gets back into the White House, his appointees should be suing every advertising company in the US for their selective hiring of POC as opposed to just anyone. Just as the Federal Government has gone after SpaceX for not hiring asylum applicants that Brandon has given the permission to work in the US, go after every advertising company for their top to bottom employees and talent hiring. Also CNN, etc. How about The View only hiring women for their show.

The ras!st sex!st band wagon has gone far too far, and must be stopped.

Reply to  Drake
February 16, 2024 11:47 am

Trump says he will be a dictator for a day. That’s long enough to put the Supreme Court and Congress in prison and tear up the Constitution.

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse for forcefully putting his fingers where they shouldn’t be, awards accuser $5M. Jury Orders Trump to Pay Carroll $83.3 Million After Years of Insults.

The GOP used to be the party of law and order, my have they changed.

MarkW
Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 12:13 pm

Who cares what was actually said, you have a target to hate and you won’t let mere reality flavor your opinions.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 12:32 pm

Trump says he will be a dictator for a day. That’s long enough to put the Supreme Court and Congress in prison and tear up the Constitution.

Taking the first sentence at face value, do you actually believe ANY President could do what you say?

MarkW
Reply to  Tony_G
February 16, 2024 6:49 pm

I have no doubt he believes everything he says. He’s been trained to believe that Trump is the embodiment of evil.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 4:35 pm

Democrat jury finds Trump liable for inspiring a woman to have a fuzzy memory that is countered by every single piece of evidence, including the testimony of the people she claimed were witnesses.

Whether you deliberately ignore the difference between law and power or are just unable to understand it may never be known, but it’s certainly no change for the left.

observa
Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 5:42 pm

Jury Orders Trump to Pay Carroll $83.3 Million After Years of Insults.

Can she take it out of the dough owed by those insulting Trump for years? I take it you’re not a straight white guy then? That award is precisely what’s wrong with America nowadays.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 17, 2024 3:16 am

Trump didn’t put the Supreme Court or the Congress in prison or tear up the Constituion the first time he was president. He could have tried that then, if he were a real dictator, but he didn’t.

How would a jury know where Trump put his fingers if there are no witnesses? Trump, one of the most recognized people in New York City walks into a department store in broad daylight, goes into a dressing room and molests a woman in there, and nobody sees a thing. Does that sound logical to you? Trump was by himself? No bodyguards, no entourage accompanying Trump? The woman didn’t make a sound in the dressing room while Trump was molesting her? She didn’t scream for help? Nobody witnessed this alledged molestation. It’s she said, he said. You believe what she said. I believe what he said.

Victims of TDS, like scvblwxq, will believe anything they see if it makes Trump look bad.

scvblwxq has no complaint about the Biden/illegal alien crimewave going on in the United States. His priorities are skewed. Ignore the Democrat crimewave and focus on Trump.

February 16, 2024 7:01 am

Justin Trudeau continues to fly all over the world in jets, and (I assume) be driven in an ICE car motorcade wherever he goes. He is the man with the most influence in Canada, and he supports continued use of fossil fuels. Therefore, his arrest and imprisonment will take place imminently after this legislation is passed… right?

February 16, 2024 7:09 am

We know who to exclude from civilized and/or constructive conversations. To a rational person, it becomes impossible to ‘take sides’ with these people, even if you agree with the underlying thesis they vaguely try to stand on.

Rational people underestimate how irrational events can be. Naturally civilized and/or constructive conversations at least seem to be rational and thus can’t wander too far from accepted reality. Unfortunately, history is littered with irrational events that no rational person would have expected.

Reply to  general custer
February 16, 2024 12:01 pm

When opiates were legal to use in the 1920s and 1930s there were only an average of 35 opiate deaths per year in the US. Making them illegal has raised the number of opioid deaths per year to around 100,000, with about 3 times the population.

Mortality Statistics for 1925, and others are available in the same library.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsushistorical/mortstatsh_1925.pdf

The Expulsive
February 16, 2024 7:10 am

The NDP is not only full of these types, but also full of anti-Semites (well they don’t call it that, it is only anti-Zionist, and fully endorses the movement to not invest in Israel). Charlie is quite left, but may have not figured out how he can travel between his home riding and Ottawa. Maybe he will resort to the techniques of 1900 (horse and carriage)?
Irrespective, many hard core NDP that I have known used to tell me about the glories of the Soviet Union and especially the “workers paradise” of East Germany. They would wrangle tours of factories in these glorious places and reiterate what they read in Soviet Life or other such propaganda. I would laugh and laugh…

Crispin in Val Quentin
Reply to  The Expulsive
February 16, 2024 8:14 am

American visiting Soviet factory:

“It is lovely to see the sea of machines working in this vast factory. I understand you have full employment. But I was wondering – why are there three people pushing that empty garbage cart?”

Manager: “Oh that is easy to explain. The other two are off sick today.”

John XB
February 16, 2024 7:21 am

There are now two scientific papers reporting that increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere over the past two decades have resulted in huge areas of new plant growth particularly around deserts and in dry areas – undoubtedly a good thing for the environment.

It is asserted that burning fossil fuels increases CO2 concentrations and in fact all the increase since the latter part of the 20th Century is due to fossil fuel emissions.

Therefore fossil fuels must have a positive environmental effect.

Reply to  John XB
February 16, 2024 12:08 pm

The amount of greening in the Sahara is almost equal to the areas of France and Germany combined!
https://climatechangedispatch.com/700000-square-km-green-added-sahara/

Reply to  John XB
February 16, 2024 12:27 pm

I’m now picturing a scene reminiscent of the 1978 remake of ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ where all the Eco-Nazis suddenly point at you, mouths agape, and mindlessly scream.

strativarius
February 16, 2024 7:27 am

Decarbonising accidents and emergencies

“”Urgent NHS warning as electric ambulances ‘would respond to 5,000 less incidents per day’””https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867111/warning-electric-ambulances-5-000-less-incidents-day

Result.

Reply to  strativarius
February 16, 2024 8:01 am

haha, useful link that – see what else is there:

headline:”Sadiq Khan humiliated as TfL has no money left to fix broken ULEZ cameras.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1867527/sadiq-khan-says-extra-ulez-camera-repair-cash-tfl-keeps-cost-secret

yet those cameras (just the recent new ones) were pulling in a £1Million per day.
<methinks Kkan has felt the wrath of The Blob>

strativarius
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 16, 2024 8:37 am

If he wins I will shoot myself.

Reply to  strativarius
February 16, 2024 9:42 am

with what?

strativarius
Reply to  DonM
February 16, 2024 9:59 am

Not a knife

Reply to  strativarius
February 16, 2024 12:30 pm

Why not him instead, or first? No need to die in vain. Kidding, of course.

February 16, 2024 7:29 am

Article says:”… declare Joe Biden or Hilary Clinton to be pedophiles.”

It has never crossed my mind that Hilary Clinton could be or was a pedophile.

strativarius
Reply to  mkelly
February 16, 2024 7:40 am

She does scare off the mistresses

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  mkelly
February 16, 2024 9:51 am

It depends on your definition of pedophile. Does getting very close and smelling young girls’ hair count as pedophile activity? If he does that in public, what does he do in private? Maybe Hillary isn’t, but Bill certainly has hung out in the right places.

Reply to  mkelly
February 16, 2024 12:23 pm

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M.

E. Jean Carroll was one of more than a dozen women who have accused Trump of sexual assault or harassment.

She went public in a 2019 memoir with her allegation that the Republican raped her in the dressing room of a posh Manhattan department store.

I can see the campaign ads now

MarkW
Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 6:51 pm

ANother jury that completely ignores the facts in order to strike back at the evil Trump who threatened their supply of free stuff.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 17, 2024 3:29 am

“E. Jean Carroll was one of more than a dozen women who have accused Trump of sexual assault or harassment.”

Yes, the Democrats got lots of women to lie about Trump. That’s what they do. It’s a tactic. Carroll’s case was the only winner for the Democrats. And it was the least plausible of the many charges the Democrats lodged.

So a dozen women who claimed Trump molested them lost their cases or they were never taken to court for lack of evidence, yet he gets convicted of the Carroll charges based solely on Carroll’s claims and no witnesses to the incident.

It’s just more bullshit lawfare from the Democrats. Try the case in Texas or Florida and you would get a completely different outcome.

Crispin in Val Quentin
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 19, 2024 12:51 pm

She was the only witness to the event? Some witness. She could not name the year, let alone the day or even season. Even one shout would be heard by the hovering attendants. To me the claims looked shaky. The danger of specifying a date is Trump could prove he was on another continent that day. Is the decision being appealed?

mleskovarsocalrrcom
February 16, 2024 7:29 am

There’s still time to save Canada, but not much.

Bob Johnston
February 16, 2024 7:46 am

The type of guy that will stare the camera in the eye and declare Joe Biden or Hilary Clinton to be pedophiles.”

I’m not sure this is the criticism you intend it to be.

February 16, 2024 7:59 am

Isn’t there an S missing from NDP?

John Hultquist
February 16, 2024 8:04 am

On reading the post, it was not clear to me what the Act’s name is; namely …

BILL C-372 An Act respecting fossil fuel advertising

respecting” being the interesting part! 🙂

Jeffy
Reply to  John Hultquist
February 16, 2024 9:21 am

The word was chosen so perhaps some might believe respect is in order and consider the idiot bill. The word has nothing to do with respect. We are seeing the dumbification of politics in Canada. Thankfully some NDP members are pushing back.

Charlie is now saying people should be jailed for saying his bill will jail people. This man doesn’t deserve to be an MP.

Reply to  Jeffy
February 17, 2024 3:31 am

Charlie ought to be jailed for trying to jail people.

Crispin in Val Quentin
February 16, 2024 8:10 am

I am thinking of making a bumper sticker that says “This vehicle has been designed to burn more than 50% hydrogen”.

Because fuels are based on CxHy where H = 2C+2, all hydrocarbon fuels are more than 50% hydrogen.

For the gullible and chemically illiterate, I will be fully greenwashed!

Reply to  Crispin in Val Quentin
February 16, 2024 8:33 am

Great point. Gasoline is C8H18 so you are spot on. Let us know if you make them.

JamesB_684
Reply to  mkelly
February 16, 2024 2:51 pm

StickerMule will make them.

Jeffy
Reply to  Crispin in Val Quentin
February 16, 2024 9:29 am

Sounds like rebranding would work. People should fuel up with Hydrogenoline as their old gas cars are Hydrogenoline compatible. Maybe call it Genoline for short.

Reply to  Crispin in Val Quentin
February 16, 2024 9:58 am

“Hybrid fuel powered – 65% Hydrogen” (diesel)

“75% Hydrogen fuel … Hybrid Powered” (gasoline)

MarkW
February 16, 2024 8:29 am

It really is fascinating how so many people, when they catch themselves criticizing someone of the left, find it mandatory to declare that those on the right are equally bad, even if they can’t find any actual evidence to support such a position.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  MarkW
February 16, 2024 10:24 am

they think they are showing how reasonable they are … when the people on the other side don’t care about reason … by trying to be balanced they show they don’t truely understand the fight … and thus why they keep losing to lunatics …

Reply to  The Dark Lord
February 17, 2024 3:34 am

Excellent explanation. Right on the money.

February 16, 2024 9:10 am

In a socialist world the fools don’t want to get educated, they just want to silence the smart people so there is no negative comparison; the lazy don’t want to become productive, they want to feed off the productive people till there is nothing left to take and then all are poor together; the feeble don’t want to struggle for strength, they want to sap strength from the powerful till all are weak and infirm together. This bald-faced call for unlimited censorship of ideas which threaten the weak, lazy, uninformed socialist mind is an admission that there is no intent to work for a better society, just the intent of destroying the path forward for anyone with the resources, intellect and initiative to take it.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
February 16, 2024 12:35 pm

China is socialist now and they are doing great making cheap products for the world.

MarkW
Reply to  scvblwxq
February 16, 2024 6:53 pm

Slave labor tends to do that.
That and a lack of environmental and safety regulations.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 17, 2024 3:36 am

“China is socialist now and they are doing great making cheap products for the world.”

Who is this “they” you are talking about? The Elites are doing great. The Elites always do great in a dictatorship. The People, not so much.

Reply to  scvblwxq
February 17, 2024 9:38 am

China’s central planning has sown the seeds of its own imminent economic and possibly social destruction. They are not an example we want to mimic though some of our political leaders feel otherwise.

February 16, 2024 9:31 am

As I read and interpret the bill’s excerpts quoted here, it would require that all petroleum branding, service station signs, gas pumps, product labels, etc. would be illegal. All would have to convert to unlabeled, drab Soviet gray.

Reply to  pflashgordon
February 16, 2024 4:39 pm

In Canada they would just use tobacco brown, a colour mandated to obfuscate the different packages of tobacco products. A little salt in the wound to the users of an overtaxed product that all know is harmful. It seems ok to heap abuse on those addicted in every manner imaginable.

And now they want a larger target population to harass.

GeorgeInSanDiego
February 16, 2024 9:39 am

Story tip:
Shell to permanently close seven of their eight light duty hydrogen refueling stations in California

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  GeorgeInSanDiego
February 16, 2024 9:54 am

It would be interesting to see how much they lost on those operations.

Reply to  GeorgeInSanDiego
February 16, 2024 12:38 pm

Where is the one that will be left?

Let’s say it’s in LA. Would make for some interesting discussions…a man is leaving home in the burbs outside Sacramento. Wife asks him “Where are you going? Husband answers”Going to LA – gotta fill the tank.”

GeorgeInSanDiego
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
February 16, 2024 8:06 pm

Torrence (Los Angeles County)

February 16, 2024 9:39 am

8 It is prohibited for a person to promote a fossil fuel or the production of a fossil fuel…(b) in a manner that states or suggests that a fossil fuel or the practices of a producer or of the fossil fuel industry would lead to positive outcomes in relation to the environment, the health of Canadians, reconciliation with Indigenous peoples or the Canadian or global economy.”

  • ‘So, Mr. Trudeau, when you said that “No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there”, did you mean that all countries are evil, or that the resource would be utilized for the good and positive outcome of the Country?’
  • ‘As a follow-up question, do you think the Charlie Angus Bill, and Charlie Angus (obviously by association) are silly?’
February 16, 2024 9:42 am

Boiled down from above:

     Here’s what’s so awesome: When free speech is allowed,
     the lunatics self…identify as such. It becomes impossible to
     ‘take sides’ with these people, even if they are on your side.

Here on WUWT some people say that sea level isn’t rising,
CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas, there hasn’t been any warming,
volcanoes spew more CO2 than human activity, human activity
isn’t causing extinctions, Greenland isn’t losing ice…

I’ll get some down votes for that. Jesus said render unto Caesar …

And then…

The other side makes ridiculous claims. There was a web page
Numbers Watch that kept a list of things caused by Global
Warming. I can’t seem to find it anymore. That list alone should
discredit the climate mob.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Steve Case
February 16, 2024 10:00 am

The statements you mention may have been made on WUWT in the comment section. I don’t know, because I haven’t read every comment on every article. But I think most of those statements are modified from what is normally said. I’ve seen many statements that SLR is not accelerating, there isn’t any global warming beyond normal natural warming we’ve seen in the past, we don’t know how many undersea volcanoes there are so we don’t know if they spew more CO2 than human activity, etc. The nutcase level is very low on this blog.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Steve Case
February 16, 2024 10:28 am

not 1 article on WUWT has ever said “that sea level isn’t rising,
CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas, there hasn’t been any warming” … cherry picking comments is … whats the right word ? (something NSFW … ) lets just say low …

I know you are trying to show balance … just stop … the other side NEVER shows balance …

Denis
February 16, 2024 10:51 am

Perhaps we need a wall on our Canadian border as well?

February 16, 2024 11:54 am

This a private members bill, it hasn’t a hope in hell and will die on the order paper.

Edward Katz
February 16, 2024 2:37 pm

The Canadian Liberal party and its NDP lackeys are becoming desperate as they notice that Canadians are rejecting their climate alarmism, resent ever-increasing carbon pricing, and are consistently showing that they have few intentions of making major lifestyle changes to help the country achieve Net Zero goals that are unattainable in the first place. So now they’re practicing a type of censorship where the domestic media, if it wants continued government and eco-group funding, must downplay or refuse to publicize anything that refutes their “climate crisis” claims. They should save their energy since all polls show both parties are headed for defeat in the next election sheduled for some time in 2025.

Reply to  Edward Katz
February 16, 2024 5:23 pm

Given the general climate of Canada…

… you have to wonder what sort of mindless idiot wouldn’t want a bit of warming

… fake or not !!

Of course, NONE of it is actually about “climate”…

… it is all about marxist/leftist totalitarianism.

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