Tom Nelson interview with Susan Crockford about the failed polar bear narrative and rapid evolution

From Polar Bear Science

You can watch my interview with Tom Nelson about the latest issues in polar bear conservation and highlights of my latest book, Polar Bear Evolution.

On Youtube:

Tom tells me, “It’s also up on other video sites such as Rumble and BitChute, and will soon be available on other podcast apps such as Apple Podcasts (most, but not all, of those are audio-only).  It should also be on Spotify, Google Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Podvine, Overcast, Amazon Music podcasts, Audible podcasts, Castbox, RadioPublic, Twitter, etc.”

SummarySusan Crockford, a zoologist, discusses the challenges in accurately estimating polar bear populations and the ongoing debate between Inuit communities and polar bear specialists regarding population sizes. She also shares her theory on the role of thyroid hormones in polar bear evolution and the quick adaptation of species to new environments using the example of the Russian foxes.

A list of topics covered, by time-stamp in the interview, is listed below.

1,874 views Jan 18, 2024 (at 8 pm PST) Tom Nelson Podcast

Scientist Susan Crockford has spent decades writing professional papers and books but has been blogging about polar bears for non-scientists since 2012. Her books include Polar Bear Evolution: A Model for How New Species Arise, The Polar Bear Catastrophe That Never Happened, Sir David Attenborough and the Walrus Deception, Polar Bear Facts & Myths (for kids), and (for fiction lovers) a polar bear attack thriller set in Newfoundland called EATEN.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Presentation

00:32 Recent Developments in Polar Bear Research

01:31 Discrepancies in Polar Bear Population Reports

04:03 The Impact of Climate Change on Polar Bear Populations

05:08 Challenges in Polar Bear Population Management

05:38 Historical Perspective on Polar Bear Populations

08:07 The Politics of Polar Bear Research

10:13 The Role of Indigenous Knowledge in Polar Bear Research

13:46 The Consequences of Speaking Out in Polar Bear Research

23:35 Exploring Polar Bear Evolution

32:56 The Mystery of Animal Transformation

33:22 Debunking Genetic Mutation Theory

34:06 The Role of Thyroid Hormone in Animal Transformation

36:33 Understanding Hormonal Rhythms

38:27 The Hypothesis of Hormonal Selection

39:58 The Theory’s Reception and Testability

41:17 Challenges in Measuring Thyroid Hormone

41:39 Potential Testing Methods and Future Research

46:29 Exploring Polar Bear Evolution

01:00:34 The Role of Thyroid Hormone in Species Differentiation

01:03:30 The Process of Animal Domestication

01:07:14 Closing Remarks

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Rud Istvan
January 20, 2024 2:46 pm

Dr. Susan is a climate skeptic hero. She has made three BIG contributions.

  1. She showed that the polar bear climate alarm raised by Sterling and Derocher was based on BAD biology. Their alarm theory was based on the false idea (popularized first by Al Gore) that polar amplification would warm the Arctic summer and its sea ice would disappear (it didn’t). She showed 75-80% of annual polar bear nutrition comes during the spring seal whelping season—and even alarmists never claimed winter Arctic sea ice would disappear with AGW.
  2. She showed that after polar bear hunting was curtailed, polar bear populations significantly rebounded. No different than white tailed deer and wild turkeys in the US on my Wisconsin dairy farm.
  3. She developed the thyroid hormone speciation theory (starts at 34:06). Expains why polar bears were able to differentiate from browns so (relatively) rapidly in the Arctic. This counters Darwin’s slow genetic ‘survival of the fittest’, which is by definition very slow as random radiation induced genetic DNA gene mutations accumulate. And it offers an alternative to the ‘very fast’ epigenetic phenotype evolution with almost NO underlying genetic evolution, evidenced by the various races of common mesoamerican dry beans—pinto, navy, kidney, black, white, red, … All the same DNA genetically. Marvel at your local grocery story. The transformations took at most a few thousand years.

I wrote a long guest post about the Holocene development of sedentary agriculture (domestication of plants and animals) and the importance of epigenetics therein in a longish post over at Judith’s some years ago. Non dry bean epigenetic examples include teosinte==> maise(corn), Guinea fowl==>chicken, wild boar==>swine, aurochs==> cows, and wolves==>dogs. DNA basically all the same, behavior most definitely not.

Drake
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 20, 2024 3:27 pm

See Susan at 30 + minutes where she discusses “foxes” becoming “dogs” in just a short time, a limited number of generations.

Yes, that is why I say all canids are just dogs.

ALL the required genetic material for every type of dog, is in every other type of dog. Therefore there is only one species, DOG.

So IMO, when Susan speaks of “speciation” I think the reality is just “specialization” to their environment, and although with time specific physiological changes occur and become prominent, that does not mean that a new species is the result.

So, as to brown and white bears, I think the same of those two “big bears” since they can breed with each other and reproduce and the offspring can reproduce. They are ONE species. With time and different environmental influences, white bears would, again IMO, revert to Brown Bears.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Drake
January 20, 2024 4:20 pm

Foxes did not become dogs. They have different numbers of chromosomes for starters. And all the evidence is that dogs evolved from wolves.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
January 21, 2024 11:46 am

No Isaak, just no. Dogs evolved from an ancient (now extinct) wolf-like ancestor that was related but different and distinct from the modern wolf population. Dogs are not descended from modern Wolves.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Izaak Walton
January 21, 2024 1:14 pm

There is also a wild african dog south of the Sahara.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_wild_dog

His system is geared for a virtually 100% meat diet. The article tells of his very small numbers, but there are a fair number that have been domesticated. I was given one as a house dog by an Englishman to look after while he was on leave when I was working for the GeologicalSurvey of Nigeria in the mid 1960s.

I can attest to his meat consumption. We had guests for dinner and I had taken a roast out of the oven and put it on the stove top. Stepping away to get a carving knife, the dog jumped up and snatched the roast, which he dropped because it was hot. I grabbed it off the floor, rinsed it in water and put it back in the stove to sterilize it for a while. After dinner, I gave the remains to the dog.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
January 21, 2024 3:28 pm

Oh and btw – foxes and dogs share a common ancestor but, as I mentioned, they both only share a distant ancestry with wolves. Without looking it up further, I’d doubt that dogs evolved from foxes – it’s more likely they both evolved from the same type of ancestor but different from wolves.

Reply to  Drake
January 20, 2024 4:25 pm

I just have to disagree with that last point, Drake, we would both agree that Brown and Polar Bears would produce viable hybrids if they mated, but I think that Polar Bears have gone a step further away from Brown bears than just having a different coat. The webbed paws, specialised for swimming, the lack of male hibernation are of a different type of bear, not one that would easily revert to a Brown Bear.

Reply to  Richard Page
January 21, 2024 11:56 am

I remember reading about an amphibian (salamander?) in California that has a northern version, a central version and a southern version.
The central version can breed with both of the others but the northern cannot breed with the southern. (I don’t think there was any mention of whether or not the central crosses could then reproduce themselves.)

Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 21, 2024 8:46 pm

Excellent summation, Rud!
And that is not a small compliment! I envy those with that writing ability.

A couple comments, not contradictions or criticisms.
Last one first:

3: “And it offers an alternative to the ‘very fast’ epigenetic phenotype evolution with almost NO underlying genetic evolution, evidenced by the various races of common mesoamerican dry beans—pinto, navy, kidney, black, white, red”

Current assumptions for serious human caused impacts to farming with changes to human raised foods, every agriculture life style.
e.g., Common European, Asian family of vegetables, all with identical DNA, to our knowledge, are the cabbages, brassica oleracea; Varieties are represented by cabbage, Brussel sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, kohlrabi, etc.

Mankind has eaten genetically modified foods since the dawn of agriculture.

2: “after polar bear hunting was curtailed, polar bear populations significantly rebounded.”

One would be remiss if one did not point out this is just a rough correlation. During the same period polar bears got access to more food over longer periods of time.

Nor is “hunting” the proper word for commercial harvest of polar bears.
Polar bear hair was a favorite for tying tails and bodies on weighted jigs and was in millions of fly tying kits as well as the furs used by commercial lure making companies.

Tom Halla
January 20, 2024 3:01 pm

If anyone would know game and predator abundance, it would be local subsistence hunters.

observa
January 20, 2024 5:32 pm

Holy poley schmoley I’ve come out of my shell and turned turtle on critter sustainability-
Texas aquarium rescues cold-stunned turtles from freezing waters | Watch (msn.com)

Reply to  observa
January 21, 2024 11:39 am

But the oceans are boiling! I was expecting Turtle Soup not frozen Turtle.

Fran
January 21, 2024 9:38 am

Heard this already. Her theory about changes that underlie domestication and other rapid evolutionary changes is fascinating – gonna buy the book.

Reply to  Fran
January 21, 2024 11:40 am

So am I.
In fact if I had the money, I’d buy extra’s for some commenters on here – they need to read her book!