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While the climate movement achieved some victories this year, 2023 may ultimately be remembered mostly as a year of key failures and setbacks for environmentalist organizations and their favored policies promulgated by the Biden administration.
The past 12 months saw the collapse of several major offshore wind projects, signs of trouble in the electric vehicle (EV) market, layoffs at major environmentalist groups, a failed pressure campaign to kill a major energy project and more. Environmental activists and green industrial interests largely assumed that the election of President Joe Biden would stand as a boon for their various prerogatives, but this yearās results were not stellar for those interests despite that initial enthusiasm. (RELATED: āTremendously Damagingā: Hereās The Most Aggressive Restrictions Bidenās EPA Pushed On Americans In 2023)
Biden Admin Doubles Down On Climate Cooperation With China As Xiās Economy Goes On Coal Binge https://t.co/NxYSoYMg3v
ā Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) November 16, 2023
Offshore Wind Flounders
The Biden administration and activists in favor of sweeping action on climate change have touted offshore wind as a green energy lynchpin of their envisioned fossil fuel-free future, with the White House expecting the technology to provide enough energy to power 10 million American homes each year by 2030. While the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), Bidenās signature climate bill, created generous subsidies designed to stimulate the industry, it is now facing serious problems that lead several energy policy experts to expect the government will have to step in again to save the industry.
Developers are facing considerable issues attributable to inflationary pressure, supply chain backups and logistical issues. These problems have prompted numerous firms to attempt to renegotiate their agreed-upon rates with states and utilities, pay large fines to withdraw from contracts altogether or outright cancel their projects.
Ćrsted, a Danish wind company with a major American presence, may have had the roughest 2023 of any firm in the industry. In October, the company announced that it had cancelled two of its major projects off the coast of New Jersey, citing the poor state of the wider economy and the associated impacts on the projectsā ability to be profitable in the long-term.
Meanwhile, the administrationās August offshore wind lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico underwhelmed, with only one of the three areas available attracting any interest from bidders.
Now, the Biden administrationās 2030 target appears to be firmly out of reach, largely because of the considerable financial challenges the industry faces, according to Reuters.
EV Dreams Show Cracks
Environmentalists and Biden administration officials are also pushing EVs as a key climate solution, with the latter spending billions of taxpayer dollars andĀ aggressivelyĀ regulatingĀ markets to reach itsĀ goalĀ of having 50% of new vehicle sales be EVs by 2030. Despite these efforts, the EV market appears to be faltering:Ā consumer demandĀ is not growing as quickly as expected, manufacturers areĀ losingĀ large amounts of money on their EV product lines and executives are starting toĀ back offĀ of near-term EV commitments.
China dominates the global supply chain for the raw materials needed to manufacture EVs, and the vehicles are considerably more expensive on average than gas-powered equivalents. For example, the Ford F-150 Lighting, the EV version of one of Americaās most popular cars, sells for about $8,000 more than the conventional F-150.
Beyond the higher costs, consumers tend to worry about the inconsistent performance and uneven geographical distribution of the nationās charging infrastructure. Even Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm is not impervious to this problem, as one of her staffers raced ahead of her convoy during a summer road trip promoting EVs to reserve a spot at a Georgia charging station with a gas-powered car. The police were reportedly called when a family with a baby in tow grew angry that the staffer would not move for them to use the charging port, even though Granholm and the rest of the convoy had not yet arrived to plug in. (RELATED: Biden Admin Touted EV Charging Company To Support Climate Agenda. Now, Its Stock Is Tanking)
Activist Layoffs
The past year also saw considerable layoffs at prominent eco-activist organizations, such as the Sierra Club, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and Defenders of Wildlife, according to E&E News. After the defeat of former President Donald Trump, whose energy agenda provided a boost to enthusiasm and donations supporting the environmentalist cause, many major environmentalist organizations faced considerable budget shortfalls.
The Sierra Club laid off dozens of employees starting in April, which prompted infighting over issues of race and āequityā within the organization in the ensuing months. NRDC similarly laid off dozens of its staffers later in the year, and Defenders of Wildlife laid off more than a dozen of its own employees in the spring as well, according to E&E News.
A Notable Bankruptcy
Proterra, an electric bus manufacturer, filed for bankruptcy in August. Prior to the bankruptcy, the Biden administration had promoted the company, a move which prompted blowback from elected Republicans and government watchdogs that highlighted Granholm maintained a financial interest in the firm after accepting a government job in which she would be overseeing policy that directly impacted the companyās commercial prospects.
Granholm did not sell her shares in the company until after the House Oversight Committee opened an investigation into the apparent conflict of interest earlier in May 2021. She eventually closed her position in the firm later that month, netting capital gains amounting to about $1.6 million.
Additionally, Granholm is alleged to have violated the STOCK Act nine times in 2021, a fact which a Department of Energy(DOE) spokesperson said at the time was attributable to āan inadvertent clerical oversight.ā
Willow Project Campaign Comes Up Short
Activists launched a broad pressure campaign to goad the Biden administration into cancelling ConocoPhillipsā massive Willow Project in Alaska, which ultimately failed when the administration formally green lit the project in March. Many inside the climate movement were livid with the administrationās decision, characterizing it as a betrayal of a Biden campaign promise to severely crack down on oil and gas drilling on federally-controlled lands.
Recently, climate activists have set their sights on the Calcasieu Pass 2 project, known as CP2, which would be a major export terminal facility for liquefied natural gas (LNG) located to the south of Lake Charles, Louisiana. They appear poised to ratchet up pressure on the Biden administration to kill the project much like they did with the Willow Project, though time will tell whether or not such a campaign could be successful in its aims.
While the push to kill the Willow Project fell flat, Tommy Beaudreau, the former deputy secretary of the Department of the Interior, left the administration in October after activists targeted him constantly for his support of the Willow Project.
Trouble In The Loan Programs Office
The DOEās Loan Programs Office (LPO) also had a tough 2023. The LPO is a key instrument in the Biden administrationās wider green energy push, designed to provide green energy companies with loans that the private sector would not offer, according to the officeās website.
The Daily Caller News Foundation reported in November that the LPO had reached a conditional commitment to provide Li-Cycle, a lithium battery recycling company, a $375 million loan at the same time that the firm was allegedly defrauding its investors. The LPO does due diligence on its applicants before reaching a conditional commitment, according to its website, meaning that the alleged securities fraud went unnoticed by the relevant LPO officials.
In September, the LPO also extended a $3 billion package to Sunnova, a solar company that allegedly preyed on elderly customers on their deathbeds by talking them into signing multi-decade, five-figure rooftop solar contracts, according to The Washington Free Beacon.
These loans have sparked demands from Republican lawmakers, who are seeking information and internal documents regarding the LPOās internal practices and safeguards. Jigar Shah, who runs the LPO, was hauled into Congress to testify in front of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources in October, when Republican Sens. Josh Hawley of Missouri and John Barrasso of Wyoming grilled him about his continued association with a green energy trade group despite potential appearances of ethical impropriety.
Neither the White House nor the DOE responded to the DCNFās requests for comment.
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Schadenfreude.
Tom. you made me look up schadenfreude. Glad I did, because now your comment made me smile.
Regards,
Bob
Despite Government mandates, despite Enviro-Nutz antagonism, despite the overtly vocal call for transition, FF sourced energy will likely continue to dominate global energy demand until SOMETHING BETTER comes along. Extortionism’s preferred Ruinable Energy definitely isn’t Something Better.
Not only are “renewables” (a name as fictional as the “Inflation Reduction Act” btw) NOT “something better,” they completely rely upon fossil fuel energy inputs for their existence AND to back them up, since they simply cannot provide any energy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and therefore require existing energy sources to continue in place.
They are not even energy “sources” at all. They are capable of “producing” absolutely NOTHING on their own.
Here in the UK wind power set a new record on 23rd December 2023 of 21.81GW- it was however only during the time period 9.00am to 9.30am but it will now be the go to number for the greens.
https:grid.iamkate.com
https://grid.iamkate.com
Gridwatch data says;-
2023-12-23 09:16:43, 14248
in other words 14.2 GW
Nameplate capacity is 20GW max
There’s some ‘modelling’ going on because metering is not possible.
It would have been higher still but for curtailment. Of course, we can expect more records as more capacity gets added – especially for volumes of curtailment. It looks as though paid for curtailment was over 4.3TWh last year, and there will be more where wind farms getting market prices (i.e. those which have not taken up a CFD and are not on any other subsidy scheme) curtailed voluntarily in the face of negative prices.
Showing pleasure at someone’s misfortune = Schadenfreude
Glad I don’t have to pass a German spelling test…
ā¦ or play the German version ofāWheel of Fortuneā.
Misfortune or stupidity
Could be either if they are misfortunate enough to be stupid
Stupid/ignorant/learning-deficient animals donāt live long in the jungle of life.
Insatiable curiosity, tempered with caution, is of essence to survival in the jungle.
The Environmental Defence Fund also initiated a round of staff buy-outs in 2023, warning that layoffs may follow in 2024. Several green groups have been involved in aggressive union renegotiations this year, with Greenpeace, Audubon Society and others having to offer more paid time off and pay increases. It’s not a great time to be in the Green Blob.
That’s great news. Hundreds of environmental activists fired from their cushy, overpaid non-jobs are now discovering first hand what it’s like to have to pay exorbitant power bills.
Ah, poor babies. And all this misery after they got their taxpayer-funded vacation to Dubai via multimillionaire-supplied private jets. Europe’s whores will be unhappy to see the best of their clients tinpanning for pennies..
The article made some good points, misled about EVs and missed some important points
The offshore wind industry collapsed like a cheap suitcase. Not enough subsidies to make a profit.
EV sales boomed in the US and globally
— the article was misleading
Nuclear energy was revived at COP28.
We can object to solar and wind power for grid engineering reasons. We can’t object to nuclear power
Some Arab guy (they all look the same to me) claimed oil was alive and well and Nut Zero is not based on legitimate climate science. Amazing to hear any truth at a Climate Outrage Party. That’s what happens when the climate nuts hold a COP meeting in an oil exporting nation.
I think the biggest news in 2023, beyond the new love for nuclear power, was some members of the over 180 nations who could not care less about Nut Zero, finally spoke up during the COP weeks … when they always used to say the right (leftist) things hoping to get Green Slush Fund climate handouts.
The article was not misleading about EV’s. The only thing keeping sales high is the shift towards 50% sales of EV’s by 2030 – I’ve previously commented that California has set a 35% minimum of EV sales this year (2023) and this is skewing the figures.
You just contradicted yourself/
I said the article was misleading
You said it was NOT misleading
Then you explained why EV sales are booming which contradicted the article
The article said:
“Despite these efforts, the EV market appears to be faltering: consumer demand is not growing as quickly as expected,”
But:
US EV (BEV) sales up about 60% in 2023
US plug in hybrid (PHEV) sales up about 40%
US ICE sales up 1% to 2% in 2023 versus 2022
Global BEV +PHEV sales up about 35%
THAT IS NOT “FALSTERING”
AS THE ARTICLE FALSELY CLAIMED
That is BOOMING ev SALES
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The article was misleading
and biased on the subject of EVs
Contradicted by sales data.
There would be no EV “demand” at all if not for government interference, pressure, and subsidies (read “BRIBES”). There is no fact that can contradict that, and the article only points out that this fact is becoming more and more apparent to more and more people, even or maybe especially, those who profit from NOT knowing that.
Just guessing but I bet a lot of the EV sales went to government agencies and big businesses which felt forced into showing their virtue.
I think the government changed the way they do the EV subsidies. Now, they pay the subsidy up front, when the car is bought, rather than making the custormer wait to claim the subidy on his tax return.
Richard at no point did I ever say ‘booming’ – this is your usual tactic of lies and deceit. EV sales are at a very slightly higher rate than last year due solely to mandatory sales percentages – this is not by any means or definition, a ‘boom’. Not misleading, supported by sales data and state mandates.
60% higher is booming
It is not “very slightly higher”
You seem to be allergic to the truth
Your insults will not change the fact
that +60% higher is NOT
“very slightly higher”
which you just typed.
It is not ‘booming’ – your figures are incredibly misleading. Actual EV sales barely reached half of their expected market share in 2023, the fact that they showed any growth at all notwithstanding. That is a faltering market when you take into account that production targets are based on projected market share figures.
You seem to think that the figure of 60% is the total market share. Not so.
If you subtract the hybrids, the worldwide total is about 2.5 to 3.0 million EVs
The article was not misleading about EVs.
Sales are not “booming” or else there wouldn’t be inventory being on dealer lots much longer than for ICE vehicles, manufacturers would not be cutting EV production targets, and percentage sales increases are meaningless but provide good sound bytes for people trying to claim that EV sales are “booming.”
Even with stupid governments doing everything they can to shove worse-than-useless EVs down people’s throats, there’s no EV “boom” going on.
In the US, there never will be. Too much territory to cover in vehicles that don’t get very far and take a long time to “refuel.”
Regardless, that still only represents a 2.29% increase in market share
Up 60% is BIG
Up a few percentage points is a deception.
Calling an increase of 10 – 16 is the same. Its a 60% increase but compared to 250, 6 is 2.4% increase.
So I guess 10 – 16 is big but 10/250 – 16/250 is actually meaningless
I have rarely heard anything dumber than saying EV sales were booming while car manufacturers are cutting EV production due to lack of sales and even some ending EV construction entirely.
I have rarely heard anything dumber than the phrase AGW is not science when over 99.9% of scientists believe AGW is solid science. But I suppose you know better than all of them, including Richard Lindzen and William Happer?
I challenge you to name more than one manmade cause of global warming.
Just a short list.
I’m not even asking for evidence AGW does not exist, because only science deniers make that claim
Just tell us what AGW is
Hint: It’s more than CO2 emissions
You forgot the C. AGW is not a problem, this whole fake scare was supposed to be Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming. The problem is the Catastrophic part forgot to show up. Yeah it is also changes to historical thermometer records to create a non existent warming trend out of normal weather. CO2 is the basic building block for all life on this planet. More CO2 is better for the earth.
I forgot to add that the changes to the historical temperature records is the “man made” part
There are Thousands of “Scientists” that disagree with your statement. So for 99.9% of scientists to “Beileve” there must be tens of millions of scientists surveyed. Though it does appear, that much like any other religion goes, “Belief” is a requirement.
99.9% of so-called “Climate Scientists” might believe in AGW, but that’s what they are paid for.
The other scientists are skeptical at best.
The predictions are being tested now. There is no telling if they are any good when they are missing solar contributions, which is where 99+% of the heat comes from, clouds which reflect a lot of heat into space but can’t be modeled yet, and ocean circulation which determines where the heat goes.
They never even had a 10-year test to see how good or bad they are.
Surface pollution of water bodies by light oil and surfactant smooths the surface, lowers albedo and reduces evaporation.
A smoothed water surface has fewer breaking waves so produces fewer salt aerosols which leads to reduced cloud cover.
Warming, warming warming. How much warming? Nobody knows because nobody has done the science.
JF
(Somewhere I have a piece with more detail. There’s an image of a smooth covering tens of thousands of square miles.)
If EV sales did not increase as much as some manufacturers claimed, that does not mean sales are not booming
Tesla has 6-% of the market and has no inventory. Other manufacturers must have thought they would beat uo Tesla and they were wrong.
If investors expected the US Nasdaq stock market average would go up 80% in 2023 and it went up 60%, by your non-logic, that would be a very disappointing year. I substituted the stock market for EVs.
I don’t know where you got your figures from but, as usual, they’re wrong. Tesla overproduced in 2021-23 due to lower than expected sales figures so slashed their prices. Even with this drastic price reduction they haven’t been able to sell enough and Tesla’s have been backed up at dealerships. Probably not as bad as most other EV dealers that have at least 12 months worth of unsold inventory, possibly more, and won’t accept any more supply.
US EV sales set a record in 2023
Year-to-date through November 2023 US EV sales have surpassed 1 million (BEVs + PHEVs) ā the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. T
US EV sales set a record in 3Q 2023
Ford EV sales set a record in November 2023
Dec 4, 2023 ā In November, sales of Ford all-electric vehicles in the U.S. increased by 43% year-over-year to a new all-time record of 8958 units.
Tesla lowered some prices because they had the second highest profit margin the the global auto industry in 2022 of 18% Ferarri was number 1
At the time the cheapest tesla was $46,000 and now it is $39,000. Musk realized few people could afford a small car for $46,000 and many people don’t pay federal income taxes so could not use the $7500 tax credit.
US Tesla sales gains in 2023 were smaller than the 60% BEV average increase in 2023 versus 2022..
4Q sales are an estimate because manufacturers have not released official numbers yet. Tesla does not report sales by nation. Some statistics combine BEVs and PHEVs.
“Teslaās have been backed up at dealerships.”
Richard Page false claim
Total BS, Page
There are no Tesla’s backed up at dealerships
There are no Tesla dealerships
There is no Tesla inventory
You order a Tesla online
There are a few showrooms with demo cars but they do not sell Teslas or have any inventory
BEV registrations (select brands) in January-September 2023: Experian data based on new vehicle registrations, and accepted by Automotive News, the “bible” of the US auto industry
According to the registration data from Experian (via Automotive News), the total number of battery electric car (BEV) registrations during the first nine months of 2023 amounted to 852,904, which is about 61 percent more than a year ago and about 7.4 percent of the total market (up from 5.2 percent at this same time in 2022).
Tesla: 489,454 (up 41%)
Chevrolet: 50,160 (up 133%) and 5.9% share
Ford: 46,547 (up 22%) and 5.5% share
Hyundai: 40,612 and 4.8% share
BMW: 31,209 (“more than quadrupled”) and 3.7% share
Rivian: 30,240 (“more than tripled”) and 3.5% share
Mercedes-Benz: 27,484 and 3.2% share
Volkswagen: 27,001 (up 145%) and 3.2% share
Kia: 23,304 and 2.7% share
Audi: 17,229 and 2.0% share
Lies again, Richard? That’s all you have, isn’t it?
Why are Ford and GM reducing plans for EV manufacturing plants?
Many dealerships have Teslas for sale.
Carmax has 408 in their inventory
Carvana has 680 in their inventory
Even the Ford Dealer down in Petaluma has 3
Our local Tesla Dealer on Airway in.Santa Rosa has over 400 S 3 X & Y models in stock with 20% having some mileage reported on the odometer 3mi – 4617mi
CORRECTION:
Tesla had a 60% market share, not 6-%
and has no inventory
Rubbish. Stop buying into industry propaganda like you have shares in it you ignorant fool. Dig deeper and you’ll find that what you’re mindlessly parroting are lies to cover up an embarrassingly large mismanagement of the EV industry.
Our local Tesla Dealership has over 400 S 3 X & Y models in stock
With 20% having odometer readings of 3mi to 4617mi
Got your battery car yet?
Here’s a dark thought.
Having died, you’re off to the funeral in a BEV hearse. On route, the battery catches fire…….
Yup, you’d wanted to be buried, but were cremated instead.
I’m not sure I’d be in a position to complain though.
You could always ask for a refund š
Now that opens yet another can-o-worms. Bodies to be buried are usually embalmed to prevent decay for viewing and burial services. Bodies to be cremated aren’t embalmed because burning the embalming could releases highly toxic fumes into the environment.
Nice to know I’ve put my foot in it. š
Honestly I don’t think burning embalming fluids releasing highly toxic fumes into the environment will be that much of a problem alongside the burning EV battery emitting clouds of highly toxic fumes into the environment. A bit tricky to work out, I know, but less of a problem than it first seemed, I’ll imagine?
cremation will result in “carbon pollution”- can’t have that! š
Better than taking up land that can be put to better use. The dead don’t care.
Do both. Encase the caskets in cement and use them as a building blocks for low income housing projects
World CO2 ppm is at a 600 million year low.
We have minimal flora conditions and many deserts as a result
We need much more CO2 ppm
I HAVE RECOMMENDED HUNDREDS OF ARTICLES ON MY BLOG THAT ARE ANTI-EV
The one positive article merely reported booming 2023 sales in the US in detail.
The last car I want is an expensive EV I can’t afford.
My article below is mainly from eMails from a Ford electrical engineer working on an EV program at Ford until he retired at the end of 2022. Even the engineers working on the EVs didn’t like EVs. In my 27 years working in Ford product development, I had never heard engineers pessimistic about any new ICE model they were designing. The younger engineers there now are worried about the future of the company.
The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog: Every few months we find out EVs are worse than we thought
Followed with an ad for his website…
That is a link to my article which has been complemented by quite a few people who know my eMail address
You might learn something from an EV engineer insider
My blog is free, no ads, no money for me and never any pleas for donations.
When a writer gets money he can be biased to please the person / people who give him money
If you read my article and don’t like it, have the courtesy to explain why.
It is an anti-EV article..
Request denied.
If you want “honesty”, probably the last place you should go.
Absolutely littered with anti-facts and scientific gibberish.
I checked out his blog site. Doesn’t look so bad. Anyone who doesn’t worship wind and solar energy is OK by me. š
It’s the word ‘honest’ in the title that cracks me up like “Honest Abe’s Used Car Emporium” when you know the use of the word is a con and the opposite is often true!
A griff-style 2nd-hand car salesmann.
What could possibly go wrong…
…. apart from everything !
bnice2000 Chief Website Insulter
Often compared to comedian Don Rickles
Mother often says:
“You look just like Don Rickles”
UTTER FAILURE to produce any evidence..
Poor dickie-griff.
I never got why anybody would find Rickles entertaining.
Exactly.
I always assumed you had cracked up
You were never in one piece.
just a mangled mess of brainless non-matter.
I did. I came very close to a full mental breakdown quite a few years ago now, suffering an extensive mental trauma that’s taken a long time to get over. Thank you for that deeply insulting comment and your insensitive treatment of mental health issues. Sod off Richard.
Mr Greene, EV share of the Auto Market jumped from 4.1% to 6.29% in 2023. Not exactly a boom considering conventional internal combustion cars still hold the other 93.71% share
But..butā¦butā¦going from 4.1 to 6.29 is over a 50% increase that has to count as āboomedā./s
It’s significant but not a boom. It’s the exaggeration that ticks me off about the climate idiocy. As for EVs, there’s a lot of wealthy people – they’ll all be first in line- then as you get to the lesser beings, we’ll see far less interest unless the prices drop and the functionality increases.
Experian was reporting a higher percentage based on new vehicle registrations. December is still an estimate
Whether the 2023 percentage sales increase is 50%. 55% or 60%, that is a big increase year over year. Especially considering ICE sales were up only 1% to 2% in 2023
Is EV sales reality so painful to hear
that a negative spin has to be put on it?
You don’t like the news?
So give me a thumbs down for reporting it
2023 was the warmest year in the instrumental record
Give me another thumbs down for reporting that fact.
CO2 emissions are capable of causing global warming
How about a third thumbs down?
There is a greenhouse effect and manmade CO2 increases it
A fourth thumbs down?
Government climate science is not 1005 wrong
How about a fifth thumbs down?
Climate change will kill your dog
A sixth thumbs down for a lame joke?
Maybe I can beat
the all time
thumbs down record
held by Griff.
You are certainly doing quite a good job emulating griff… š
Perhaps that is your aim ?
dickie-griff… has a nice sound to it.
You do a good job being nasty
Poor petal.
Do you need a new nappy ??
Get griff to change yours for you.
Regardless, that still only represents a 2.29% increase in market share
“Is EV sales reality so painful to hear
that a negative spin has to be put on it?”
It is when it’s based on manipulation of the auto market due to a new religious cult. And all taxpayers are having to help pay for those EVs whether we want one or not.
THAT is the main point. Without all of the gov’t. pressure/TAXPAYER-subsidies, it is likely there would be NO increase in EV sales.
There would probably be hardly any EV sales- especially if Western governments removed the shackles off the ff industries.
There must be brown stuff oozing from your various orifices to utter so much bull crap.
The instrument temperature record is bullcrap.
CO2 can’t cause warming when 15 nanometer range is swamped by water vapour. Government climate first of all is not science and it is definitely 100% wrong
You are a clueless science denier and sound like a fool
But you get half credit if that is your real name
I did make a mistake I should have said 15 micrometer instead of nanometer but I’ll make a bet you don’t know what that references. I don’t deny science I just don’t see much of it from the global warning crowd. I don’t see a lot of warming either. š¤·āāļø
Dickie-griff now ADMITS he doesn’t understand basic science of CO2 radiation.. So sad…but
We wouldn’t really expect a low-end finance dude to understand science.
Whats the record?
Over a hundred. Care to try your luck?
-129 if memory serves, held by Nitpick Nick Stokes.
I am happy to stand corrected on that, karlo! š
Somewhere I have a screenshot…
“CO2 emissions are capable of causing global warming”
NO EVIDENCE of that in the Earth’s gravity controlled atmosphere.
Stop making griff-like comments you KNOW you cannot back up with actual science.
You are embarrassing yourself… on purpose ????
Agreeing with 99.9% of the world’s scientists, including Richard Lindzen and William Happer is an embarrassment?
Agreeing with you would be.
Again…. you produce NO EVIDENCE
That really is playing right into my reality, isn’t it, dickie
Another “griff” moment from you.
“There is a greenhouse effect and manmade CO2 increases it”
Again, scientifically unsupportable BS !!
Your petty lukewarmer status puts you well and truly in the griff league of nonsense.
Let’s go back to the original statement: “the EV market appears to be faltering: consumer demand is not growing as quickly as expected, manufacturers are losing large amounts of money on their EV product lines and executives are starting to back off of near-term EV commitments”. [my bold]
There does not seem to be any dispute about that. 60+% growth may sound impressive, but from a low base when more was expected, it isn’t. What really upsets people is that that 60% is not genuine consumer demand, a lot of it is government-driven using taxpayers’ money not the consumers’ money.
For my money, this whole house of cards cannot fall fast enough.
Reporting actual EVs sales should not be responded to with eyes closed and ears plugged while singing the national anthem.
+60% in 2023 is booming
That’s a fact
Not a prediction
Governments have their hands on the scale
Thats a different fact
That’s also fascism, trying to control
the auto industry where I used to work.
Very bad news. I don’t want to be forced into an expensive inconvenient EV.I also do not want to lie about EV sales and dismiss them as trivial.
It is irrelevant if higher growth than 60% was expected and I have no data to prove that it was.
If I expected my investment portfolio to increase 80% in a year and it actually increased 60%, that does not change the fact that +60% is a great year.
If you go from 1 sale to 2 sales you get a 100% increase.
W O W a 100% increase… Whatta Boom
Bada Big Bada Boom
That 60% increase still equates to a 2.29% (4%-6.29%) market share increase and ICE still retains the other 93.71% of the market
ā He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts ā for support rather than illumination.ā
When the lamp post is removed, the drunk simply sits down or staggers on. You, on the other hand, act like the post is still there. Nobody likes an obnoxious mime; once past the novelty, few like any type of mime.
Empty childish insults
You don’t tolerate facts and data you do not personally like, do you?
“Empty childish insults”
You cretinly don’t have anything else to offer.
‘Cretinly’? Now he does deserve something like that but is it actually a word? Can I use it in Scrabble?
Richard Greene
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DonM
January 2, 2024 7:40 pm
Empty childish insults
Pot or Kettle???
The Earth is still in a 2.56 million-year ice age, in a cold interglacial period that alternates with very cold glacial periods.
Experian data, via Automotive News
“The total number of battery electric car (BEV) registrations during the first nine months of 2023 amounted to 852,904, which is about 61 percent more than a year ago and about 7.4 percent of the total market (up from 5.2 percent at this same time in 2022).”
did you know that if you sell 20 one year, and 40 the next
that is a 100% increase.
Still a totally irrelevant amount.
Just like your moronic posts.
Short version: 92.6 percent of the vehicles sold in the USin 2023 were ICE.
The offshore wind industry collapsed like a cheap suitcase. Not enough subsidies to make a profit.
WORLDās LARGEST OFFSHORE WIND SYSTEM DEVELOPER ABANDONS TWO MAJOR US PROJECTS AS WIND BUST CONTINUES
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/world-s-largest-offshore-wind-system-developer-abandons-two-major
EXCERPTS
During 2020/2021, the wind industry, affected by COVID, received orders for projects, including from the US, but, the prospect of losses on new projects, caused the industry to walk away from many new projects, and pay cancellation fees, instead of completing the new projects, with no prospect of a profit, unless subsidies were increased to exorbitant levels (as shown below), which likely would be politically impossible with the 2024 Election coming up. The industry encountered:
1) High interest rates. The Secured Overnight Financing Rate, SOFR, a base rate at which banks borrow from each other, was 5.32% on Dec 18, 2023. Banks usually add 2 to 3% to that rate for their business loans. See Image and URL
2) High inflation, which likely will persist, because of greater than $trillion dollar federal deficits
3) High prices of transporting components and specialized ships across ocean, made worse by increased prices for energy, materials, components and labor
4) Increased costs, due to a lack of timely availability of specialized ships for erection
5) Increased cost of insurance/ installed MW; 2023 pricing is at least 2 x 2020 pricing
6) Increased costs and delays, due to litigation
7) Losses on existing orders; part of those losses are due to design deficiencies
https://about.bnef.com/blog/soaring-costs-stress-us-offshore-wind-companies-ruin-margins/
New York State had signed contracts with EU big wind companies for four offshore wind projects
Sometime later, the companies were trying to coerce an additional $25.35 billion (per Wind Watch) from New York ratepayers and taxpayers over at least 20 years, because they had bid at lower prices than they should have.
New York State denied the request on October 12, 2023; āa deal is a dealā, said the Commissioner
Owners want a return on investment of at least 10%/y, if bank loans for risky projects are 6.5%/y, and project cost inflation and uncertainties are high
The about 3.5% is a minimum for all the years of hassles of designing, building, erecting, and paperwork of a project
The project prices, with no subsidies, would be about two times the agreed contract price, paid by Utilities to owners.
That means, the effect of subsidies reduced the contract price by 50%.
All contractors had bid too low. When they realized there would be huge losses, they asked for higher contract prices.
It looks like the contract prices will need to be at least $150/MWh, for contractors to make money.
Those contract prices would be at least 60% higher than in 2021
Oersted, Denmark, Sunrise wind, contract price $110.37/MWh, contractor needs $139.99/MWh, a 27% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 1 wind, contract price $118.38/MWh, contractor needs $159.64/MWh, a 35% increase
Equinor, Norway, Empire 2 wind, contract price $107.50/MWh, contractor needs $177.84/MWh, a 66% increase
Equinor, Norway, Beacon Wind, contract price $118.00/MWh, contractor needs $190.82/MWh, a 62% increase
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/liars-lies-exposed-as-wind-electricity-price-increases-by-66-wake
“Nuclear energy was revived at COP28.”
No, like it wasn’t revived 20 years ago. At best it will slow the decline.
https://thebulletin.org/2023/12/nuclear-expert-mycle-schneider-on-the-cop28-pledge-to-triple-nuclear-energy-production-trumpism-enters-energy-policy/
Sales of EVs are up, or flat. It depends on the timeframe.
Few “Joe six pack” guys will buy them.
EV sales are up by a large percentage year over year and the time line does not change that.
US electric (BEV and PHEV) vehicle (EV) sales volumes set another record in Q3 2023, as total sales of battery-powered vehicles jumped past 300,000 for the first time in the U.S. market. Year-to-date EV sales through September reached just over 873,000 and another 300,000 sales are expected in 4Q 20 for a total, and new record of 1.1 million in 2023. The chart below does not include the 3Q and 4Q of 2023 or it would be over 5 million US sales so far. 23
BEVs and PHEVS combined
BEVs only
show another with 2021 … covid altered a lot of things.
I think the “Arab guy” you refer to is Sultan Ahmed al Jaber. He did us all an enormous favour at COP28, and maybe will turn out to be a catalyst for the failure of the whole scam. As someone who persuaded the likes of ESG-crazy Blackrock to invest $20 billion in oil and gas infrastructure, Sultan al Jaber is clearly a very capable person.
Thank you
That statement was a big deal
when stated during a Climate Outrage Party
Over 7/8th of the world’s population’s governments could not care less about Nut Zero and a few of them spoke up in COP28. That could be a start of a new trend. In time we may see COP28 as a turning point.
The imaginary Nut Zero consensus, that never really existed, is falling apart.
Promoting nuclear energy at COP28 too. Not sure many nuclear power plants will be built bur they used to seem anto-nuclear too.
I was disappointed COP28 did not like my submission for their official 2023 slogan contest
“Climate change will kill your dog”
For 2024 I suggested renaming COP as CLAP, because most leftists don’t like cops
C limate
L iars
A nnual
P arty
Their annua report would be called
The CLAPtrap Report
āāThe Climate Movement Suffered A Slew Of Defeats And Setbacks In 2023āā
And yetā¦. they retain firm control [of the ānarrativeā]. Davos man will be flying in soon to set this yearās agenda
Trebles all round
Do they retain control, or have they lost control to the politicians and bureaucracies?
The media does as itās told. But then, itās choc a block with hacktivists, anyway
Sadly true.
When records began. – Add chosen year here. In this case letās go with 1884
āāā2023 was provisionally the second warmest year on record for the UK, with Wales and Northern Ireland having their respective warmest years in a series from 1884.āāā
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/2023-was-second-warmest-year-on-record-for-uk
Oh dear.
“The past 12 months saw the collapse of several major offshore wind projects, signs of trouble in the electric vehicle (EV) market”
Buyers are Avoiding EVs, a Key Pillar of Bidenās Fantasy Climate Agenda
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/investors-are-avoiding-evs-a-key-pillar-of-biden-s-climate-agenda
EXCERPT
Some Measures to Boost EV Sales
Firstly, the woke wackos have not yet realized you canāt just subsidize EVs.
They have to ban gasoline cars for the locals and for those crossing State borders, so the Feds and States can drop the unsustainable EV subsidies.
If you canāt afford an EV they donāt care, because taking away your freedom of movement is the whole point in the first place.
Secondly, which Iām surprised we havenāt heard yet, they need to phase out all gasoline and diesel fuel production, so we donāt end up with Havana Syndrome, i.e., maintaining old cars decades past their expected useful life.
When the story plays out, most people will have to go without a personal vehicle, other than their e-bicycle, or e-tricycle (for geriatric folks).
Those wealthy enough to afford an EV, will be subject to restrictions on when and where they may travel, which would be enforced by remotely controlled kill-switch.
Private planes would fly, as usual, without any additional restrictions.
How else would one be able to attend future COPs in the poshest of places?
Some Comments
Wow, it does not get much better than this.
The Washington, DC, perpetrators of these EV follies want to be re-elected to have power over you, to use more of your money, to do more of the same follies, “for as long as it takes”
All that is even more true, because the EV charging stations are unreliable, often are out of service, and to top it of, EVs are unreliable, have high repair bills, and have poor range in cold weather, especially when having more than one passenger, and some cargo, and going uphill, on cold, snowy days, as in New England, etc.
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Currently, the vast majority of charging infrastructure is concentrated in more densely populated coastal areas, as opposed to more rural areas of the country, according to the Department of Energy (DOE).
Almost all people in rural areas, often with dirt roads, and snow and ice and cold, and longer distances, are definitely not giving up their pick-ups and SUVs to “switch to EVs”, especially in impoverished states, such as Maine and Vermont. Their Socialist governments lost all sense of reality, and think money grows on trees.
Insurance Costs Very High: EV insurance rates are about 3 times the rate of gasoline vehicles, completely wiping out any energy savings.
Monthly Payments Very High: Because EVs are more expensive and interest rates are high, monthly payments are much higher than for gasoline cars, completely wiping out any benefits of subsidies.
Useful Service Life Very Short: EV useful service lives are very short, usually at most 8 years.
No one in his/her right mind, would spend at least $15,000 to $20,000 to replace a battery in an 8-y-old EV, which by then. would have lost almost all of its value, unlike a gasoline vehicle.
Charging Cost Very High: EV charging cost is very high, usually at least 30 c/kWh.
As a result, annual fuel cost savings are minimal, because EVs are driven fewer miles per year than gasoline cars, and the price of gasoline is about $3.20/gallon
Minimal CO2 Reduction: EVs driven, on average, about 72,000 miles for 8 years, do not reduce CO2 emissions compared to efficient gasoline vehicles driven the same miles, if CO2 evaluations are made on a mine to hazardous-waste landfill basis, 8-y basis. The useful service lives of gasoline cars is much longer than EVs.
Range Much Less Than Advertised: EV owners experience much less range than advertised by EPA, especially with more than one passenger, with some luggage or a heavy load, cold weather, up and down hills, on wet/snowy dirt roads, hot weather, etc.
Teslas EVs, driven 75,000 to 80,000 miles, will have lost about 15 to 20% of battery capacity at end of year 8.
If traveling with one or more passengers, with some luggage, was a challenge on a longer trip, and even more of a challenge on a cold/snowy day, then an older EV has all that, and more, which is a good reason not to buy one.
Battery Aging a Serious Issue: If a new EV, it takes about 1.15 kWh to add a 1.0 kWh charge in the battery, plus, there is a loss of about 5% to get a kWh out of the battery to drive the EV, etc.
If a 5-y-old EV, it takes about 1.25 kWh to add a kWh charge in the battery, plus there is a loss of about 5.15 kWh to get a kWh out of the battery to drive the EV, etc.
These losses would be worse on a cold day, or a hot day, or an older EV.
The older the EV, the greater the losses, plus the battery has lost capacity, the ability to do work and go the distance; all that is worse on a cold day, or hot day.
Charging Batteries at Less than 32 F: If an EV owner parks at an airport, goes away for a few days or a week, upon return he/she may find the EV with an empty battery, if during that week the weather were below freezing, because the battery thermal management system, BTMS, will maintain battery temperature, until the battery is empty, then the battery freezes to below 32F, or less.
Charging would not be allowed, until the battery is warmed up in a garage.
You would have to wait your turn to get a tow to the warm garage, pay about $500, get charged, and be on your way, after 8 hours or so!!
Losing Value After 3 Years: Used EVs retain about 60% of their high original value, whereas gasoline vehicles retain at least 70% of their not so high original value, by the end of year 3.
Losing 40% of a $45,000 EV = $18,000
Losing 30% of $35,000 gasoline vehicle = $10,500
The loss difference wipes out any subsidies.
so we donāt end up with Havana Syndrome, i.e., maintaining old cars decades past their expected useful life.
The “useful” life of an automobile is generally determined by its mileage. A car that’s sped 200,000 miles around the country is usually considered on its way to the junk yard. Why should that be the case? Cars are infinitely more complicated electrically than they need to be so failures occur most often in the electrical system. Manufacturing cars with fewer complicated components unrelated to moving them from point A to point B would be cheaper and cars themselves would then be less expensive. Furthermore, interested owners would be able to do more of their own maintenance and repair, something that’s almost impossible for even trained mechanics. The car companies maintain, and to some extent it’s true, that normal people want a newer car. They don’t wish to be seen in an old jalopy. That’s probably so but why not an option for those with a different viewpoint? What would be wrong with a simpler, cheaper car for the common man? A Volkswagen! But no, there’s no money in making the famous Beetle, if the DOT would even allow such a thing.
One of the most important features of a free market economy is the availability of options, of choices in consumer products. The biggest criticism of Soviet and other socialist economies was central decision-making in the production of things like cars. The US government has taken over the design and construction of automobiles and their fueling with the sole objective of emission control and fuel economy, happily abetted by the industry itself. The US has become, in many ways, the very sort of economy that it spent billions to prevent from 1945 to 1992.
What is the definition of fascism?
Private industry but government mandated production?
I.e. the goal of liberals. SEE the government, even while TRUMP! was still president, using force and funds to help limit conservative speech on twitter, facepalm and utube, with searches on google skewed far to the left. i,e, censorship.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
If this is not the description of the deep state and Brandon’s administration, I don’t know what is.
A company in the UK, Retrofit Electronics, will retrofit a vintage VW Beetle to electric for Ā£25,000 or provide a new converted Beetle for Ā£47,000.
In fact there seems to be quite a few firms jumping on this retrofitting bandwagon, just search retrofit electronics
Again, in response to government pressure and bribes.
Yes but why? What on earth would be the point?
To give your existing car the new Self Immolation perk AND so the Goobermint can shut it down when desired. A number of Ford owners woke up this morning to this message. Download Failed, car has been disabled pending download update.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/1703627821964-jpg.194959/
No point at all. Just saying people will jump on any bandwagon if they think they can make money.
That is why I like my 53 Ford so much. There are only seven #12 and two 1/0 electrical wires on the engine. They cover, starting, charging, metering and ignition. There are also only 4 fuses.
VW Beetles weren’t easy to maintain. Much better to go for an old fashioned Land Rover, designed to be kept going in parts of the world where you probably had to make spare parts.
The wilpost diatribe on EVs is filled with disinformation. Read it and you will know less about EVs than before reading his claptrap
It’s time to stop the conservtive battery lies based on no data at all.
EVs have so many problems and disadvantages versus ICEs and Hybrids it is not necessary toi loe about them to criticize them.
The EV batteries will easily last the lifetime of the EV
200,000 miles is no problem
8000 miles claimed is total BS
The battery deterioration claims
are all total BS
The range after 200000 miles could be down 15% to 20%, which does not make the EV worthless
This will not happen after 75,000 miles, as claimed
Battery charge loss at an airport parking lot simulation test in northern Minnesota, averaging 0 degree F., averaged about 2% to 4% of lost range each day
The claim the battery will be dead in a few days is total BS.
EV fuel costs are lower than ICE
30 cents per kWh is BS
Most charging will be at home
at an average of 16 cents
Ev insurance will be higher than ICE
EV depreciation will be faster than ICE
EV reliability will be lower than ICE
In the Detroit area, which is not EV friendly, a 2021 Tesla Model 3 loses about one third of its 2021 MSRP in two years while a 2021 Toyota Camry loses less than 10%
A used EV might be a good deal if you really wanted an EV. A used ICE would be a better deal.
Backward – the EV will last the lifetime of the batteries. When they fail it isn’t cost effective to replace them. The ‘200,000 miles’ lifetime range is based on a 20 year lifespan of the battery doing 10,000 miles per year. Unfortunately, most EV batteries only last 8-10 years so 80,000 to 100,000 miles is the more realistic figure.
“Unfortunately, most EV batteries only last 8-10 years so 8000 to 100,000 miles is the more realistic figure.”
Total BS
Ford engineers studied battery deterioration which averaged about 1% loss of range a year, faster in the first few years and slower after that.
1.5% of US cars are used for over 200,000 miles
200,000 miles is no problem for EV batteries unless you have an accident that damages the bATTERY CASE.
Your 80,000 mile claim is total BS
Your have no data
You pulled a number out of your hat
or from two feet below
the back of your hat
You hate EVs with such a passion
that you lie about them
for no logical reason
The replacement rate of EV batteries is about 1.5%. Newer model batteries have far fewer problems than older model batteries. Things got off to a rocky start at the beginning of the modern EV age, which began in when the first Nissan LEAF EVs went on sale in December 2010.
The average lifetime mileage of an ICE vehicle is about 133,000 miles. While experts estimate the average EV battery will last around 200,000 miles, some manufacturers already promise much more than that.
Federal law requires automakers to warranty EV and hybrid batteries for at least eight years or 100,000 miles. California requires a 10-year, 150,000-mile …
The most affordable Tesla today is the Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive, which gets an 8 year or 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.
Electric car insurance policies can provide additional coverage for the battery pack and charging equipment after the manufacturer’s warranty expires.
That you might want such insurance is yet another EV disadvantage, part of a long list.
dickie-griff…. question I’m guessing you won’t answer.
Do you have a battery only EV as your only car?
He answered my similar Q with a plug for his website.
You need to be sedated.
Poor dickie…Your mind has been sedated basically your whole inferior life !!
I have a Toyota Camry ICE
I wouldn’t touch an EV with a 10 foot pole
My neighbor, who is an alternate energy nut (consultant) with a Toyota Prius and a license plate “Oil’s Gone” was going to purchase an EV last year but they were too expensive and 55% of our DTE electricity comes from coal so there would be no CO2 reduction.
He bought a used Mercedes ICE SUV
You are such an ignorant pillock. I actually like the idea of EV’s – sadly the batteries used in them are dangerous, heavy, with limited capacity and just not fit for purpose. When there are batteries that can last 3 or 4 times as long, don’t self ignite and are lighter then I will be first in line to get one – but until then I wouldn’t go near the damned things. Even the inventor of the Lithium battery thought they were too dangerous to see widespread use. There is also a huge amount of industry propaganda around EV’s, with inflated ranges and battery life expectancy being 2 of the biggest areas of ‘exaggerations’. For an average EV, seeing regular use (10,000 miles/year), 8-12 years lifespan is realistic, dropping down to less if the car is often used in cold weather or in hilly areas or undergoes rapid charging/recharging cycles. Don’t just read the industry propaganda, research the subject in more depth.
And I would put money on the fact that those extended warranties and insurance for EV batteries have so many get-out clauses that they’re not worth the paper they’re printed on.
Any data or just your usual
armchair wild speculation?
EVs are a fashion statement and fashions change. An adult making adult choices would not own an EV. They are expensive to buy; expensive to own; difficult to own because they lack utility and, worst, they are hugely wasteful of precious resources.
Rowan Atkinson’s feeling of being duped after owning an EV is because he made a fashion choice rather than a value decision.
BEVs have the ingredients for their own demise. They will be always limited by the availability of precious resources. Countries that mandate the demise of ICE vehicles are mandating the demise of private transport.
In the USA, 85% of BEV households also own a useful vehicle.
https://www.automotive-fleet.com/10211555/recent-insights-into-electric-vehicle-sales-and-owners
There will be a new job in the UK soon – security guard for charging stations. The charging stations will be a good source of copper for those needing an income source as the economy grinds into deep recession. California will be in the same predicament – maybe get some of the homeless to take up residence at charging stations and get paid to keep the copper from being stolen.
“For an average EV, seeing regular use (10,000 miles/year), 8-12 years lifespan is realistic,”
You are clueless or lying
No data support that false claim
Tesla would soon be broke if that was true
because of their battery warranty
The Tesla standard warranty period is for 4 years/50,000 miles. The Tesla extended warranty goes up to 8 years/150,000 miles but does not cover all components – battery packs and drive trains are NOT covered under the extended warranty.
Now do you understand why I suggested you actually do some research?
When I go shopping at WalMart, several EVs are charging
When I return to the parking lot after shopping, the same EVs are still there.
There is no way, I would ever spend a few hours charging an EV in a parking lot.
There is NOTHING convenient about it, plus, on an a to z basis, the EVs do not reduce CO2
The whole brouhaha is a waste of money and time, which will make the US less competitive and lower standards of living
At end of year 8, the batteries will have lost 15 to 20 percent of their new range.
With more than one passenger and some luggage, on a cold day, that remaining range will be a lot shorter, especially with some snow on the road, in New England;
NO OOMPH.
TIME TO TRADE IN WELL BEFORE THE END OF YEAR 8
Who would be fool enough to buy it?
A pig in a poke?
WHAT WOULD BE THE TRADE IN VALUE?
“At end of year 8, the batteries will have lost 15 to 20 percent of their new range”
Total BS
Range loss is about 1% a year
No big deal.
Then why don’t you buy one, since you are in total rapture at their capabilities,
You are MOCKING YOURSELF.. as usual.
“8000 miles claimed is total BS”
I don’t see that anywhere.
should have been 80000
The bullcrap is strong with this one.š¤®
I provide facts and data
I receive claptrap insults
as “conservative debate”
What you consider facts are just propaganda to the rest of us who know better.š¤
My 2010 Mazda 6 was bought new and was manufactured in Round Rock, Michigan. Flawless fit and finish, no major repairs of any kind in thirteen years, plus it refuses to wear out. It will be the last passenger car I ever buy.
I was in town on business last week and passed by one of several used car lots on my way out. A 2008 Mazda 6 was on one of the lots with a price tag of $7,000. That’s a lot of cash for a fifteen year old car. So out of curiosity, I stopped to take a look at it. The car was very low mileage and was in absolutely mint condition.
Here in Washington state, as the ban on ICE cars becomes more acute, we will see used cars take an even larger share of the car market than they do now. In the face of this reality, will Washington state’s politicans ever step back from the abyss and postpone their aggressive EV mandates?
Not a chance. They won’t budge an inch on their nonsensical EV mandates. Which is why I will extend the life of my beloved Mazda 6 until I am no longer able to drive a car.
My youngest son was handed down a 1998 Mazda 323 wagon in 2007. He had a nose to tail bingle into the back of a Ford Ranger with tow bar (his lack of attention and wet roads) last November. It was actually drivable but a tow was organised by the police to clear traffic.
He was proud of the fact that the car had become a classic in his hands and teary to see it damaged. We deemed it uneconomic to repair as it only carried third party property cover. I could regret that decision if EVs are ever mandated in Australia.
Australia is generally kind to motor vehicles. It is not uncommon to see 20+ year old Mazdas on Australian roads.
Toyotas have the best reputation for durability in Australia but you cannot buy them here unless you are prepared to wait a year or more for delivery. People are getting more for them secondhand than new. Mazdas not quite so bad. The local Kia dealer only has EVs in stock. I think they misread the market. I live in an outer suburb of Melbourne and vehicles owners usually need vehicles for transport not expensive fashion statements and wealthy woman who might own them would not be bothered taking the time to charge them – maybe a new job for cleaner – get the car charged.
That’s Flat Rock, Michigan
unless you were just joking
From 2002 to 2013 the Mazda 6 for the North American market was made in Flat Rock, Michigan.
Since the beginning of 2021, Ford has only been making one car there: The Ford Mustang, which was first built there in 2005, just after I retired from Ford product development after 27 years.
“Battery charge loss [] averaged about 2% to 4% of lost range each day“. After 2 months at -3%pd, that’s down to 1/6. I would call that ‘dead in a few days’.
It’s not linear at 3%. Higher in the beginning and lower loss at lower charge.
The statement 2-4% is just another way to lie using statistics. Greens are easily deluded; Greene is easily self-deluded.
The test was done outdoors for one very cold week
It could be simulated in a refrigerated lab chamber for a longer period. Don M. rejects data he does not like.
LOL.
You are now admitting that COLD WEATHER has a massive detrimental affect on EV batteries.
Problem is , most places experience COLD WEATHER at some stage during the year.
Now, take both feet out of your yappy gob, and breathe so some oxygen can reach your brain.
That was at zero degrees F.
Unplugged and outdoors.
Extremely cold.
Really cold places are not EV places.
“The EV batteries will easily last the lifetime of the EV”
no-brainer … once the battery is gone, the rest of the vehicle will be tossed as well.
Your comment is certainly a no brainer
Straight out of the dickie-griff hand-book.
No brain required..!
Just a couple of FACTS on EV vs ICE
EVs on comparison type for type cost 2-3 times more than ICE equivalents
Tesla X $79,990 -$84,990(standard range) msrp
Durango $40,640 msrp ($44,350 price difference)
Tesla Y $43,990
Nissan Rogue $27,360 ($16,630 price difference)
Tesla 3 $38,990 – $45,990 (long range)
Toyota Corolla $21,700 ($17,290 – $24,290 price difference)
Tesla S $74,990 – $78,490 (long range)
Nissan Maxima $38,340 ($36,650 – $40,000 price difference)
ICE is far more affordable with the price difference covering Years worth of gas
EVs use up tires 4 times faster than ICE from battery weight (replace every 20,000 mi)
$ per KWh depends on the state you live in and the amount of part time generation that’s supplied. CA Peak time rate is 56Ā¢ KWh to recharge at home. Used to be 13Ā¢ KWh prior to renewable proliferation.
Car max currently has 406 Used Teslas for sale with mileage ranging from 3K for a 2020 model 3 Long Range To 71K on a 2020 model X. If they’re so desirable why are 2 and 3 year old models being traded in with such low Mileage?
All the propaganda in the world can’t trump reality. People are seeing $trillions being spent on renewables and subsidies while their lifestyles are being degraded and buying power eroded. They are also understanding the difference between weather and climate as they see “tipping points” come and go as normal. You can only keep up the lie for so long.
The question then becomes how long?
Here in the US, my guess is twenty to thirty years. By which time the costs of replacing the lost generation capacity will be so enormous that it won’t be possible to fully replace it one-for-one, or even close to one-for-one. (Yes, I’m pessimistic.)
Words, words, words. You are talking about people who twist the meaning of words to fit their purpose. Remember that Biden called the withdrawal from Kabul a “success”?
The withdrawal was a huge success – for the Taliban, who were gifted an Air Force and billions of dollars or weapons.
One of their helicopters crashed a few days ago.
Sure, not nice for the Taliban to have all those weapons- but their neighbors dislike this more than the West- Iran, Pakistan and central Asian nations. Let them all stay busy fighting each other. Currently Iran and Afghanistan are feuding over water rights.
The Taliban are backed by Pakistan, I don’t see them falling out over some weapons that were likely sold on through Pakistan or China anyway.
The Pakistan government has had battles with the Taliban. The Taliban would like to destroy the existing Pakistan government which isn’t nearly rabidly Moslem enough.
Ah I see the confusion here. The Pakistani’s have not had any battles with the Afghan Taliban, who they have supplied with weapons and equipment. They have fought against the TTP or Pakistani Taliban, which is a completely different beast entirely. There are two entirely different Taliban organisations that are operating around the same areas.
Well, it met all of [the shadow government pulling Biden’s strings] goals. I continually remind people, if this administration were merely incompetent, chances are their policies and pronouncements would actually help more than half the people at least half the time. Since they don’t, we must conclude the destruction is deliberate.
Something rather odd is happening right now with regards the UK grid and where its power is coming from.
see the attached
What I don’t ‘get’ is that ‘Storm Henk’ is blowing up a gale and especially at at the very places around UK where the big windfarms are
yet bizarrely, we ain’t using that juice – only using 12GW of wind when all through this last week have been ‘harvesting’ nearly 22GW
yet here we are importing from France, burning biomass like no tomorrow and racing through hydro, esp the pumped hydro.
what is going on?
Peta. when the wind is too strong, the turbines feather their blades.
Wind turbines will shut down when the wind goes over a certain speed – they simply can’t cope.
1994 Viper zero to 60 in 4.5 seconds
The 0 to 60 mph time for the Model 3 Long Range in our test was 4.1 seconds while the Model 3 Performance reached 60 mph in just 3.5 seconds.
EVs accelerate fast
…but they don’t go very far.
And EV’s don’t coast either, do they?
1994 Dodge Viper RT/10
EPA city/highway MPG 12/20 MPG
EPA combined MPG 15 MPG
Range in miles (city/hwy)
264.0 / 440.0 miles.
Fuel tank capacity 22.0 gallons.
Ability to attract girls
Viper +10
EV dorkmobile 1
dickie-griff’s ability to attract girls…
Doesn’t seem to have much to do with wind turbines … but anyway, EVs are a delight to drive on shortish trips. The problem is that others are paying for the driver’s delight.
Well that was a bizarrely random post. I wonder what stupidity you’ll come up with next?
I’m sure dickie-griff has plenty of stupidity in store.
Another is a long, continuing series
of bnice2000’s insults with no wit or humor
Maybe I should just cut and paste one
of your usual bursts of verbal flatulence?
I’ll leave the verbal flatulence up to you.
You have so much practice at it.!
This is a typical performance curve for a wind turbine:
They have to be braked and rotor parked in high winds otherwise they would self-destruct. Some have:
I could watch that again and again!
I have been in the service business my entire life. Those of us that actually have to maintain and fix things see the defects in products and technologies both specifically and systemically way ahead of the rest of the population. I have worked in and owned service businesses for almost 50 years. Worked at a Mercedes Benz dealer in the 1980s. Electronic court reporting ( mainly government hearings for regulator agencies and contract litigation) Then 30 + years in ā alternative energy products services ( woodstoves, pellet stoves gas stoves ss chimney liners. Wind and solar for boats for a brief period( marginal ok for supplemental, ok for ā off gridā but not for running civilization s)
None of this stuff is fit for purpose. I still have many friends in the automotive service industry. Just servicing some of the problematic ICE junk these days is a nightmare. And the EVs are even worse than some of the scathing reports coming out currently. Yes worse!
This is a disaster , was a slow rolling disaster at first, now a fast rolling one. How do you go broke? Slowly at first then suddenly.
People I know who have purchased new ICE cars in the last five years tell me that most of the warranty problems they have experienced are with their car’s electrical systems, the system management computers, and/or the infotainment systems. Many times these types of problem are difficult to pin-point and never get reliably fixed. Which is why I will keep my very reliable American manufactured 2010 Mazda 6 until I am no longer able to drive a car.
Your friend in the auto service industry are contradicted by the J.D. Powers surveys that are taken very seriously by the auto industry.
Automobiles are more reliable than ever for 2023 models three months in service J.D. Powers Reliability Survey
The three years in service Durability Survey was significantly changed and J. D. Powers says to never compare 2019 and 2020 model results with previous years.
Reliability improved for 2023 models
So 2023 models are more reliable than 2019 models, but no-one can say how they compare with older models?
I’m curious how anyone can know the reliability of a year-old car model.
3 months in service is reliability
3 years in service is durability
Average age supports an increasing durability trend
The average car age is 13.6 years in 2023
In 2000 the average age of cars was 9 years
(and the average age of trucks was 8 years)
3 months in service is reliability
reliabilitynoun
1. the quality of being trustworthy or of performing consistently well
3 months doesn’t give much of a basis to determine if it performs consistently well.
Tell me when they reach 300,000 miles.
Basically saying they last only 4 years !!
Y’know, I’m very happy Greene lives on his own little planet and only visits here occasionally. It’d be very tedious to have to put up with him all the time.
There is 3 months in service Reliability
still setting new records
And three years in service Durability which was at a record high a few years ago just before Powers changed the rating system and said the 2022 and 2023 surveys of 2019 and 2020 models should not be compared with prior model years.
That AI Joe Biden image looks far too focused and alert. It needs that more blank-faced “there’s nothing going on behind these eyes” look to be more realistic.
Regarding the EV market —
Many EV issues are being solved, but three are major hurdles.
One is “time to refuel” {charge for an EV}.
A regular stop for me is about 7 minutes from off-the-street to back on again. Sometimes I have to wait an extra 5 minutes for an open slot. This time lag for EV charging will be difficult to fix.
Second problem: Many people do not have a residential situation that allows charging “at home”. A multistory apartment complex will need hundreds of off-street chargers. The entire region will have to be re-wired to provide the electricity. This is a 50 to 75 year project, not a 6 year (2030?) effort. Housing projects will need to be re-built and new ones redesigned.
3rd: Charging at a single-family residence will likely need something similar to a cell phone wireless charging pad – 30 feet from any structure. A person arriving home on a cold night with blowing snow will not be fond of connecting a charger. Until the fire issue is fixed, inside garage charging is a non-starter.
“Many EV issues are being solved,”
You are living in la la land
Every few months we find out EVs are wors than we thought.
“layoffs at major environmentalist groups, ”
This is a huge ‘tell’. Just when Enviro Nutzis need to up their game in a foundering cause, they need to conserve cash. This means donations are drying up, a worrying sign (for the Nutzies that is) that growing numbers impoverished and angered by Policy-Caused^ŃŠ¼ inflationary damage to the economy, job losses, destruction of agriculture, loss of freedoms, cultural erosion etc. Imagine wastrel organizations not being aware that destroying the economy is their worst nightmare, too! Yeah guys, paying ones grocery, power, heating, clothing and shelter comes ahead of luxuries like enviro du hour handouts.
It’s more the case that they cashed in on the lefts fear of Trump and it all dropped off when Biden took the presidency.
Unfortunately, they still have several billionaires behind them.
And those billionaires get lots of money from the scam.
Forget JD Powers. These are people that actually work on these cars both ICE, hybrid and EV right now! I used to do this for a living myself. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that when these types of publications were giving Benz es top ratings – we were swamped with warranty work on cars that cost 40k to 80 k back in the mid 1980s. Donāt believe those publications.
You may find out the hard way that many auto rating publications are no more reliable than many journals hawking their peer reviewed articles in science and medicine.
The auto industry takes J. D, Powers seriously
Your friend(s) are a tiny non random sample.
Everyone you don’t agree with is dishonest
Typical conservative claptrap.
Typical far-leftist claptrap from dickie-griff. !
Climate change twerps take Greta and mickey Mann seriously !
Your point is meaningless.
The climate changer intray keeps piling up everywhere-
Australia needs to hike power costs, energy retailers warn (msn.com)
As far as EVs go. Author forgot to mention that nearly 50% of Buick dealers opted for a buyout rather than footing the expense of tooling up and manning up to service EVs. I personally thought that was some of the worst news for the EV proponents.
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California was particularly hard hit due to new net metering rules under NEM 3.0 that radically reduced system economics.
These adverse state policy impacts exacerbated financing shifts, triggering plummeting demand and an 80% decrease in rooftop solar installation volume. The California Solar & Storage Association reports that the fallout includes thousands of stalled projects, over 17,000 industry layoffs, and a wave of high-profile bankruptcies.
[QUOTE FROM ARTICLE] “Recently, climate activists have set their sights on the Calcasieu Pass 2 project, known as CP2, which would be a major export terminal facility for liquefied natural gas (LNG) located to the south of Lake Charles, Louisiana. They appear poised to ratchet up pressure on the Biden administration to kill the project much like they did with the Willow Project, though time will tell whether or not such a campaign could be successful in its aims.”
The article fails to mention that the project is called Calcasieu Pass “2” because there is already an operational LNG export terminal at Calcasieu Pass operated by Venture Global. This is located along the east side of a three-mile long waterway between Calcasieu Lake to the north and the Gulf of Mexico to the south.
This is an ideal location for an LNG terminal, since there are natural gas fields less than a mile away, and the north-south waterway provides a sheltered harbor for loading LNG onto tankers without waves from the Gulf of Mexico causing the ships to rock.
Calcasieu Pass 2 is basically an expansion of the liquefaction capacity of an existing LNG plant at the same site. The activists have chosen the wrong target here, since expanding an existing LNG plant (which has already obtained the required permits) does far less environmental damage than building a new LNG export terminal at a previously undeveloped site.
There are also many refineries in the Lake Charles area, which provide many high-paying jobs for people in the oil and gas industry, as well as many offshore oil drilling rigs. The state of Louisiana is very supportive of the oil and gas industry, as the governor, both Senators, and all but one of the House members are Republicans. This project should have no trouble being approved.
It is a simple task to modify a fossil-fuelled vehicle to run on compressed natural gas. Then the so-called advantages of EVs could be measured.
Does the extra weight of the fuel tank of the FF vehicle cancel out the huge mass of the EVs batteries? Does the high speed refuelling give fossil fuelled vehicles a commercial advantage?
The crunch question is this: which power source will “save the planet”? My bet is on low CO2 (much of the methane energy comes from the H part of the CH4) and clean (very very low NOX and particulate emissions) natural gas.
JF