Essay by Eric Worrall
According to small nations delegates they were busy b̵a̵n̵g̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵h̵o̵o̵k̵e̵r̵s̵ finalising the details of their position, when a deal was struck while they were out of the room.
Pacific Islands lash out at COP28 presidency: ‘We weren’t in the room’ when deal was announced
By Natasha Turak,CNBC • Published December 13, 2023 • Updated 6 hours ago
- “We weren’t in the room when this decision was gavelled. And that is shocking to us,” Tina Stege, the climate envoy for the Marshall Islands, told media on Wednesday.
- For Pacific Island nations and many other island and low-lying coastal states vulnerable to rising sea levels, the final COP28 deal falls severely short.
- “We see a litany of loopholes,” the AOSIS statement reacting to the deal said. “It does not deliver on a subsidy phaseout, and it does not advance us beyond the status quo.”
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Representatives of Pacific Island states expressed frustration and disappointment at the final outcome of the COP28 climate summit in the United Arab Emirates, saying they were left out of the plenary room when the concluding deal was decided.
“We weren’t in the room when this decision was gavelled. And that is shocking to us,” Tina Stege, the climate envoy for the Marshall Islands, said Wednesday while speaking outside of the plenary.
Anne Rasmussen, the lead negotiator for the Alliance of Small Island States (AOSIS), told the COP28 Presidency in a closing statement: “We are a little confused about what just happened.”
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Read more: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/business/money-report/pacific-islands-lash-out-at-cop28-presidency-we-werent-in-the-room-when-deal-was-announced/3493297/
You’ve got to hand it to Sultan Al Jaber, he pulled a rabbit out of the hat with this one, if he had anything to do with the absence – lure the noisy shouty people out of the room, so a deal could be struck. Or maybe they just took advantage of their absence?
It’s hilarious that the Alliance of Small Island States couldn’t manage to make one flunky stay in the room while the senior people attended their important meeting. Or maybe they did, and their representative couldn’t get anyone senior on the phone when it all started moving against them.
The new deal of course is pointless and vague, like every other COP deal. As far as I can tell it’s a commitment to transition only energy systems away from fossil fuel, leaving transport alone, with a role for gas as a transition fuel. So I guess Sultan Al Jaber gets to sign his big gas contracts after all.
Still I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of those Pacific Island delegates, when they get back home and explain to the boss they blundered the big payoff. Maybe they would be better off staying in the UAE.
Note I’m just joking about the banging hookers reference, I’m sure the small islands delegates were all attending matters of state which were so important they couldn’t send one member of the team into the conference to keep an eye on things. But anyone who thinks hookers are not a thing in the UAE has never taken a long walk around town at night. To the polite and friendly Dubai doorman who invited me in to the windowless heavy stone construction mens club with the opulently decorated steel reinforced door and lots of single guys continuously coming and going, thanks but no thanks.
What’s the back-up plan that replaces crude oil?
The more than 6,000 products in our society are made from petrochemicals manufactured from crude oil did not exist 200 years ago.
Wind turbines and solar panels only generate occasional electricity but manufacture NOTHING for society.
If the world governments want to rid the earth of crude oil usage, what’s the back-up source that can manufacture refrigerators, tires, asphalt, X-Ray machines, iPhones, air conditioners, and the other 6,000 products that wind and solar CANNOT manufacture?
Without crude oil, there would be nothing that needs electricity !!!!!!
Again, What’s the back-up plan that replaces crude oil that will support the manufacturing of the products of our materialistic society?
To be fair to the deluded, leftist, fascist, anti-science, predictors of climate doom since 1979, climate change whackos, they are against burning oil-based products, not making things from oil.
They have no idea current refineries do not have much flexibility and can’t just switch from primarily gasoline production to production of other materials not intended to be burned for energy.
Although leftists try to learn about every subject, they eventually know nothing about everything, but think they are experts in every subject.
“To be fair to the deluded, leftist, fascist, anti-science, predictors of climate doom since 1979, climate change whackos”
You are too kind. No really, that is far too kind a way to address the imbeciles trying to destroy human society.
It’s not just the leftists.
Two-thirds of the Republicans under thirty support finding new energy sources, 42 percent of Republicans overall support it, as well as 61 percent of Americans, and 90 percent of Democrats.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/09/what-the-data-says-about-americans-views-of-climate-change/
The brainwashing has been very inclusive.
You repeat this every day- as if you actually think such surveys are remotely accurate and useful. It’s you who are brainwashed thinking this. They MIGHT be somewhat useful for general trends, but not for detailed numbers like 42 or 61 or 90- unless they say something like +- 50%
Every day someone says that it is all the Leftists.
But polls do not show that to be the case.
If you have other polls that show something different give a comment and a link.
Your problem is you believe polls.
But you never respond when someone does reply to you.
I’ll give you the same answer I’ve given you each and every time:
Which probably means “we’ve skewed the data to give the answer we want people to see”
Which would you trust more, a 10 foot pole or two 5 foot Hungarians?
Never, ever trust short men, Hungarian or otherwise! I’ll take the 10 foot Pole please.
That’s why I have an 11 foot pole.
You keep citing PEW. The PEW Charitable Trust, which funds their polling) states they are pure believers in catastrophic global warming and their “position statements”online state unequivocal advocacy for replacing fossil fuels with renewables. Why would you believe a poll from this source? When Wiley Foxx interviews the delectable chickens in the henhouse he invariably finds them agreeing that the sky is falling (and he’s there to help).
Even PEW polls show that taking action to “fix” climate change is at the bottom of most American priorities.
Here’s a similar poll conducted by Bjorn Lomborg of ten million people on “X”:
https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1541382089936932865
Climate change 16th on a list of 16 priorities.
also, if you ask those who support this climate lunacy if they’re willing to personally sacrifice, the answer will be “not on your life”
The agreements are not about finding something “new:”.
I don’t remember anyone burning plastic drinking straws.
Still got banned on the “evidence” of some 10 year old’s school project.
Your point is true, however, going back thousands of years, where people had access to natural seeps of crude oil, they inevitably found uses for it. Native Americans for example used pitch to seal canoes among other uses.
https://yankeebarbareno.com/2012/06/10/oil-seeps-at-carpinteria-california/
The walls and tower of Babylon reportedly used asphalt for construction purposes. Further, drilling for crude oil in China began over more than 2000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_petroleum_industry
More to your point, we are so fortunate to have technology now that allows us to take fuller advantage of this natural resource.
The original specification for an Arc before Noah got in on the act involved waterproofing with natural bitumen.
There’s a very interesting video here if you’ve a spare hour.
https://youtu.be/s_fkpZSnz2I?si=wYv_cunMHfFc-lfr
He invited a number of his neighbors to join him on the Arc, but they told him they would have to take a “Rain check.”
Ark
For the Small Nations Stooges, maybe Vaseline.
Hat tip to this Al Jaber guy, I guess it’s not worse than we thought.
Rumor has it he held up a hammer and a handful of sand and told them to make the connection.
“I guess it’s not worse than we thought.”
Only in the Western nations.
About 185 of the 195 nations are just looking for green slush fund handouts at the Climate Outrage Party. And how do you know that the hookers did not study climate science for consultations with climate grifter delegates seeking knowledge? Their sessions are then a legitimate business expense.
None of the Pacific islands are at risk from sea level rise in the next century, but the weight of 12 more luxury resorts built on any of the Maldive Islands could cause it to sink.
I’m worried about sea level rise in SE Michigan too. So I have applied for a million-dollar loan from the Biden maladministration to build an ark here. I offered “The Big Guy” his usual 10% and sent my application to one of his least known moniker accounts: MortimerSnerd@Yahoo.com
Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog
” And how do you know that the hookers did not study climate science for consultations with climate grifter delegates seeking knowledge?”
Yeah, there’s no law that says a hooker can’t have a PhD.
“None of the Pacific islands are at risk from sea level rise in the next century, but the weight of 12 more luxury resorts built on any of the Maldive Islands could cause it to sink.”
Would that cause the island to sink, or just turn over? We need to consult Rep. Hank Johnson about this
Al Jaber knows he was surrounded by a bunch of delusional wealthy hypocrites with a small group of con artists holding up cardboard signs and holding out their beger cup ,playing the hungry wet and homeless scam. Al Jaber actually is economically and technically literate.
So true, I’ll bet Al has a first class US university education to boot.
which probably means NOT at an Ivy League school
Can’t learn much from ivied walls that can’t be taught at places with less prestige
what you get at the ivey league is contacts with families of other students with wealth and influence- it opens many doors
Has anyone actually managed to find the actual text of this “agreement,” and the list of countries that have signed up to it?
I found the statement easily online
COP28 JOINT STATEMENT ON CLIMATE, NATURE AND PEOPLE
You can download as a pdf.
There were no comprehensive list of signatories but only of 16 signatory countries.
Michael, if you intended your bold as a link, it doesn’t work.
There are several “declarations” or “statements,” including one dated 3 December, which I think may be the one you refer to. But the one I am looking for must have an issue date of 12 December or later. The agreement, not the negotiating papers!
Neil,
There is no date but does this help
https://www.cop28.com/en/joint-statement-on-climate-nature
I notice there is no date but it appears to be the final statement.
This link might help: https://www.cbd.int/article/climate-nature-people-statement-climatecop28-2023. The report you reference seems to have been released on 9th December. It isn’t what I am looking for. I am looking for the final, agreed “treaty.”
There can be no “treaty” originating at the UN COP28; the U.S. Senate would have to ratify it with a two-thirds majority [and that will never happen]. That is why the 2015 Paris Accords is non-binding on the signatories. To the U.S. it is an Executive (Presidential) Agreement, with no force of law. Like all UN IPCC pronouncements it was a meaningless piece of Leftist political posturing meant to further their Marxist ideology.
Here is another document that ties in with the statement:
Summary of Global Climate Action at COP 28
https://unfccc.int/sites/default/files/resource/Summary_GCA_COP28.pdf
It would be interesting to find out who drafted the statement and how this was edited by Sultan Al Jaber. I do not believe him to be a man wearing blinkers like many of the delegates to the conference and that he had to carefully steer a course that would not undermine his region but satisfy the climate alarmists. He was most certainly not prepared to sell the family silver to placate them. This may explain why the Sultan, an intelligent business person and chemical engineer, would accept the complicated or vague language and terms of the main delegates to produce the statement.
Well, that’s interesting, Michael. And you might care to send the link to Anthony and Charles. “High Level Champions,” indeed! But it’s still, at best, a report. My question is, precisely what have our supposed “representatives” committed to, without consulting us, on our supposed behalves?
And who precisely put their name to the statement on our behalf?
I have a report-back by one of the dissenting voices at COP28 but have not had the time to go though it. I expect Anthony will get a write up from this person soon.
It is funny, like in absurd and not comical, that those who push climate alarmism are not eager to engage in civil and logical discussions with those who reject alarmism. The latter have no problem in stating and supporting their views in plain language.
And the last line of the conference summary no doubt said,
“Thanks everyone for coming, see you all next year for another great get together, We will continue to do all that is necessary, to ensure the COP meetings continue on…as they must, if we are to make no difference to anything at all.
Love to ya all
Safe Journey
Al
If they solved any big problems they wouldn’t need more such events- so best to keep failing.
Also see message on boarding passes –
Please note that vegan / vegetarian meals are not served on these flights.
Can you guys tell me if I’m hallucinating or something? With everything mankind has discovered about planet earth: the variable ocean circulation patterns, the orbital dynamics and fluctuations short – medium -long term, the cycles of the sun, the movements of the tectonic plates, the undersea volcanic activity, all of the known factors that affect the earth, it’s climate and its inhabitants, how is it possible that well meaning, educated people still cling to a sole focus on CO2 controlling the climate? This seems to be beyond a simple oversight. It’s either a full on religious movement – cult and/or a giant ponzi scheme. How long can this charade continue?
All of the above.
When I was studying the Covid debacle ( and still am) I came to the conclusion that there is a psycho/social sickness in the societies of the western world. It is very strange and disturbing- some dark side of human nature resurfaced.
I would be building an ark right now like Noah iof there were some place to sail it to
Make sure it’s strengthened for ice !!
There’s no psycho/social sickness propagating this madness, although a few are certainly afflicted. The force behind the fantasy is money. The trillions of marks, yen, bucks, pounds and euros needed to come to terms with the imaginary crisis will be gathered in by academe, media, government and business, who initiated it in the first place. If the effort could be achieved with no cost, nobody would care. In western society, at least, no real change in anything public occurs unless a significant amount of money changes hands. That’s why every presentation of a renewable energy project includes the magic word “jobs”. The attendance at the COP 28 of thousands of college students and faculty from all over the world indicates an even more extensive effort to continue to traumatize the psyche of those that will pay the bill.
Keep in mind, also, that a failure to achieve NetZero won’t be a failure of the actual strategy of the CO2 exploitation complex. Money is being spent now on solar panel arrays, wind turbine farms, new research facilities, green hydrogen research, CO2 pipelines and a host of other meaningless projects. As long as the climate anxiety continues some level of effort will be at the public’s expense.
The rich own most of the stock of the big news outlets, that almost everyone relies on, and probably give most of the campaign contributions to the House and Senate hopefuls.
The cost is estimated to be around $US200 trillion to stop warming by 2050 according to Bloomberg, other estimates are similar.
That is about $US1 million per household by 2050 or about $US35,000 for 27 years for the 10 percent that is not living completely off of their income, completely unaffordable.
Correct John.
Human nature doesn’t change.
The malaise is rooted in Mazlow’s “Hierarchy Of Needs”.
At core, we are instinctively competitive animals.
Orwell nailed it in “Animal Farm” –
“we’re all equal
but some are more equal than others”
In our current materialist world, the main aspiration is to make sure you’re doing better than the next guy.
If you can keep the relative competitive survival struggle happening between the “strugglers”, that means they won’t get more of anything than what we’ve got.
This is the whole basic game plan of the WEF, UN and all “progressives” around the ‘developed’ world. (And many more in the ‘developing’ world).
Aimless bullshit, Mr.
“In our current materialist world, the main aspiration is to make sure you’re doing better than the next guy.”
My main asperation has nothing to do with the next guy.
I have no desire to outdo the next guy, I just want enough to get along for myself and my family. If the next guy does a little better, more power to him, as long as it’s not at my expense.
I know what you mean, it is surreal, in this day and age that they are doing such things, ridiculous!
According to Bloomberg, $US200 trillion is the estimated amount needed to stop increasing temperature by 2050.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-05/-200-trillion-is-needed-to-stop-global-warming-that-s-a-bargain#xj4y7vzkg
Of about 2 billion families in the world, only about 1 of 10 at best can help pay off that money, so that is about $US1 million per family.
Even that is too much for the families in the US and it might not even work.
When oil use dropped by 6 percent in 2020 at the start of COVID-19, CO2 kept rising at the same rate as before 2020.
https://www.co2.earth/monthly-co2
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2020/global-energy-and-co2-emissions-in-2020
“how is it possible that well meaning, educated people still cling to a sole focus on CO2 controlling the climate?”
Doug, unfortunately, it is surprisingly easy to brainwash some people.
If the brainwashing comes from a “Voice of Authority” some people are automatically onboard the conspiracy train after they hear it.
And, once the scam gets going, the brainwashing reinforces itself, and money and political power come into play, and the human-caused climate change narrative has overwhelming momentum.
But all things must come to an end. Reality is starting to set in on some of the brainwashed as their lifestyle starts to deteriorate with this vain attempt to control CO2 output.
Sultan Al Jaber deserves credit for orchestrating a concluding statement that comes as close to reality as is possible in the fantasy world of climate Armageddon. We are not going to stop using fossil fuels, or at least not till there is an economically and physically practical replacement (which isn’t wind or solar). And since the only bad thing happening to small island states during the recent period of mild global warming is that their land area has marginally increased due to coral growth, their main concern should be about how to not screw up what nature has gifted them.
Without any concrete reason, reading the name Al Jaber always Jabba from Starwars comes to my mind…
Perhaps Sultan Al Jaber produced the concluding statement, a hotchpotch of gobbledygook, to deliberately fool most delegates to think they had achieved something worthwhile. Did he do it to buy time for many of the renewable schemes to fail and allow for a more sensible approach to fossil fuels? He is after all a chemical engineer and no fool unlike most of his audience.
I believe you are right. I have previously lived in UAE (in Abu Dhabi) for 5 years. They know what they are doing. I am sure Sultan Al Jaber knows the alternates to fossils fuels being promoted by the environmental movement are all shams designed to destroy wealth, resources and energy systems in Western nations, the only nations stupid enough to go along with the hoax. The Sultan lives in one of the hottest climates on Earth and yet he and his countrymen don’t fear a mild warming that has caused nothing but benefits so far. He knows the non-fossil-fuel producing countries will always want what the UAE sells and that eventually those countries will discover they have been foolishly taken in by yet another environmental Armageddon scam and will come groveling back asking for more carbon based fuels just as Biden did after sabotaging domestic oil and gas production and draining the strategic reserves.
In the year 2024
Thank you Mister Albert Gore
He took away all my fossil fuel
And now I feel like a fool
Cuz I ride around on a mule!
and instead of meat you can now eat gruel
well if they keep banning anaesthetics, a lot of us will have no teeth and gruels the remaining option…besides its vegan;-/
Sometimes I forget that WUWT is a small island in a sea of MSM insanity cluck bate. The sky is falling will always be chosen as a tag line vs the alternative less exciting well researched rational view. I really do not know how to save sheep people from that. That is why I concluded that things only get turned around by economic pain and failure.
Some people think the ETs are here to save us from nuclear holocaust- maybe it’s to save us from climate lunacy. 🙂
if there are ETs around Id say we are the entertainment channel for them…didya see what those idiots did this week etc
And if the pain gets too severe they may roll out Madame Guillotine.
See that shiny speck in the distance? That’s where the can is.
somebody get out an RPG and blast the dam thing
“they were busy b̵a̵n̵g̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵h̵o̵o̵k̵e̵r̵s̵ finalising the details of their position”
I hope a number of postions were considered. 🙂
We were bombarded in Ireland with COP28 articles in the newspapers until this morning.
I only found one out of nine newspapers, The Irish Times, with a COP28 headline:
Broad global welcome for COP28 fossil fuel deal.
Did those who welcomed the deal actually read the COP28 statement?
How many of these actually understood the statement?
Notice the title COP28 JOINT STATEMENT ON CLIMATE, NATURE AND PEOPLE (my emphasis)
Here are the five points:
1. Fostering stronger synergies, integration and alignment in the planning and implementation of national climate, biodiversity and land restoration plans and strategies
2. Scaling of finance and investments for climate and nature
3. Ensuring the full, equitable, inclusive, and effective representation and participation
4. Promoting a whole-of-society approach in the synergetic planning and implementation of national climate, biodiversity and land restoration plans and strategies
5. Encouraging coherence and interoperability across data sources and data collection, metrics and methodologies, and voluntary reporting frameworks
Anyone who welcomes a statement like this is irredeemably green.
As a language teacher I would give them a FAIL for this hotchpotch of gobbledygook.
This is my critique of the COP28 statement as it stands but read my responses to Andy Pattulo and Neil Lock for an important qualification: I in no way want to discredit Sultan Al Jaber who had to herd some 70 000 cats.
“As a language teacher I would give them a FAIL for this hotchpotch of gobbledygook.”
Me, too. They said nothing of substance, just meaningless gobbledygook.
Just what one should expect from a bureaucracy.
In today’s Boston Globe
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/12/13/science/un-climate-talks-wrap-up/
Global climate talks wrap up with signs of progress
It doesn’t matter the UN is a useless organization whose time has passed.
The UN is very useful to the totalitarians of the world. Iran heading up the UN Human Rights Commission? How crazy is that! The Chief Sponsor of Terrorism in the world is heading up a UN commission.
The United States should kick the UN out of New York.
The small nations stooges got screwed TWICE for the price.
Ha – wish I thought of that one 🙂
Just a small variation on standard operating procedures for special interests who know they can’t get the necessary vote in open court to impose their wishes on everyone else:
During the last hour of the last day, when most of DC is already home for the holidays call a special session to vote in what was decided in secret meetings,
Allow for public input to the special interest propositions during a ‘town hall’ type meeting, then change the destination to somewhere 250 distant at the last moment, and have a glitch in the public notice, so that only the important people know about the change in time to be there on time and agree to implement something the public never wanted.
story tip;
sent by a mate with no link but a hint to where;-)
it was only ever a matter of time wasn’t it?
Human breathing contributes to global warming, according to a study published Wednesday in PLoS One. The authors argued that human respiration’s contribution to climate change has been underestimated and merits further study. After measuring the gas composition in the exhaled breaths of 328 study participants, the researchers concluded human breath comprises 0.05% of the UK’s methane emissions and 0.1% of its nitrous oxide. Both of those gasses “have a much higher global warming potential than carbon dioxide,” the study notes. “Exhaled human breath can contain small, elevated concentrations of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), both of which contribute to global warming,” the researchers, led by atmospheric physicist Nicholas Cowan of the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, wrote. “We would urge caution in the assumption that emissions from humans are negligible
“We would urge caution in the assumption that emissions from humans are negligible”
They may not be negligible, but they are necessary.
If these scientists think human breathing needs to be controlled in order to control the Earth’s weather, then I say: You stop breathing first. Set a good example.
While the normal emissions in human exhaled breath my be interesting to pointless “academic” hobbyists, the verbal emissions of climate fanatics are the real threat.