by Chris Morris
This report brings readers up-to-date with happening in the Australian generation industry since the previous posts: Australian Renewables Integration: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3. While many were optimistic about Australia’s planned changes, we were concerned that technical problems would emerge and that the costs of the transition will also make the power significantly more expensive for a less reliable supply.
The other articles Planning Engineer has written on Climate Etc. are well worth reading to explain electricity grid issues which many aren’t aware of. For Australia, Wattclarity needs a shoutout as they provide interesting articles to those who, or want to understand grid issues and electricity markets.
Another article is being prepared on New Zealand electricity generation as a compare and contrast exercise. It has a market structure based on Australia’s but a very different generation base, though the issues occurring are similar.
Overview of what has happened
Since Part 3 in March, the only big generation change has been the closure of Liddell, a nominal 2000MW coal fired power station in New South Wales (NSW). The two coal stations at Callide in Queensland (QLD) are still out-of-service following failures. This has caused significant ongoing market distortions in NSW & QLD which may improve when these units return to service. There have been uprating of equipment on the transmission network (mainly in southern NSW sub-stations) to carry heavier flows and the controlling software has been modified to incorporate new operating constraint rules. The grid operator has had to do many more market interventions to meet stability guidelines. Federal and State governments pushing their green electricity generation agenda have impacted the market adversely.
There have been no significant power outages in the last six months caused by lack of generation. However, there have been numerous close calls with only minimal reserves available. When a declared low reserves actually occurs, it needs only one major transmission line fault or a large generator to trip for load shedding to occur.
Though it might not necessarily lead to low reserves, very high spot market prices like those shown in Figure 1 now regularly occur. This is when transmission constraints, little wind and the sun going down is being matched by having to ramp up the expensive thermal generation. The merit order stack can be very steep. As expected by all but the most starry-eyed proponents, the much touted Big Batteries provide very little assistance in such situations. They make a lot more of their money on the much more lucrative very fast reserves market that was needed because of the increasing replacement of responsive thermal plant generation with wind and solar.
Fig 1 Grid power flows and prices for 30 May 2023 17:35. Note the interconnectors aren’t at rating here, illustrating constraints are in transmission system elsewhere. Battery contribution is purple sliver at top of generation type graph.
These very high short interval market spot prices have distorted the “average” prices. To quote the AER (the grid regulator) report on the situation:
“30-minute prices exceeded $5,000MWh 12 times over January to March 2023 – 5 times in Queensland, 3 in NSW and 4 in South Australia. This compares to 16 high prices over the same period last year,……, Price spikes, while short in duration, can have a material impact on average quarterly prices. The high price events covered in this report contributed between $7/MWh to $12/MWh to the quarterly average prices in Queensland, NSW and South Australia”
Since March, high price periods numbers have increased and there have been many more instances of price periods between $300 and $5000/MWh. Note that the averages quoted are just straight averaging the pricing; they do not take into account the market load at the time. This has the effect of distorting the average down from what would be the true figure of total energy supplied divided by total money charged.
Market intervention for stability and inertia often needed for the South Australia (SA) system. At times there, the duck curve has become a canyon (Figure 2). Much of the unwanted generation is shed by negative pricing, where it costs generators, particularly the semi-scheduled (wind and grid solar) to stay on. However, AEMO has regularly dispatched gas turbines to stay on in SA to maintain sufficient strength while removing grid solar and wind as they do not provide support. This occurs frequently when the spot price is negative. The costs of these interventions do not show up in the wholesale power price but in the network and other charges. As will be discussed later, that is why SA has relatively low wholesale power prices but very high retail ones. Together with that, states like SA offer retail subsidies that are a charge against the taxpayer, not the domestic energy customer – robbing Peter to pay Paul. This further distorts the market.
Fig 2 SA demand showing midday canyon in grid demand but gas kept on and very high gas and interconnector contributions morning and evening. Very little from batteries, especially in morning,
The cost to do the changes and market interventions has increased the cost of operating the AEMO which regards itself is at the lower cost end of its peers. Note the AEMO also runs the Western Australia (WA) and gas markets which are outside the National Electricity Market (NEM) – the Eastern states. As part of their operation, they operate over 30 small ring-fenced services which are nominally cost-neutral. Even so, just that one small part of the operation is about $40 a year per household. Customers may not pay this charge directly, but it affects the economy.
As mentioned earlier, there have been regular curtailments of grid solar (Figure 3) and wind farms (Figure 4), particularly during periods of negative market spot prices. These must come at a cost. There is very little market incentive for the semi-scheduled generation developers to build new plant, or maintain existing ones, if the market price isn’t there. That is why there are yet more subsidies. Coal also gets subsidised, but at about $0.40/MWh, which is mainly to maintain system stability and to be there when the renewables aren’t. This compares with the $74/MWh wind gets.
Fig 3 Grid solar daily curtailment Jan to March 2023
Fig 4 Wind farm daily curtailment Jan to March 2023
Negative Pricing
A common issue occurring on the electricity spot market now, especially over the summer, is low or even negative pricing. This is in the period 10am to around 4pm. Examples are shown in Figure 5. During these periods, the wind and grid solar can be constrained off but like Figure 2 shows, the gas turbines (GTs) continue to run in SA. As all the coal fired stations need to stay on, albeit at reduced load and lower efficiency, both to ramp up when the sun goes down and provide inertia/ system support. The coal stations operate at a loss during these times unless they have long term contracts for the power.
Fig 5 Low and negative grid pricing from all the solar generation. Domestic solar is largely unaffected because they are generally behind the meter and can’t be controlled.
The cost for coal stations to stay generating is being covered in a variety of ways, none of them good to the consumer. The bid stack price for when their generation is needed has to go up. This is reflected by the higher market spot price. They start and stop more often to try to generate only when the price they will receive is above their cost of generation. This raises costs of operation but doesn’t bring in more income.
The plants cut costs by reducing maintenance, availability or derating. Towards the end of its operation, the 500MW units at Liddell were down to less than 400MW. They don’t get the capital re-investment to refurbish, update and modernise plant to new best practices. This lack of money makes them less reliable, increasing the likelihood of them tripping often when their generation is most needed. And they are shut down, removing their needed dispatchable generation from the market. But they can be kept going and available by you guessed it, subsidies.
More wind farms
The proponents of wind are still pushing the line that the wind is blowing somewhere so a large spread of locations will balance their output. This is to counter the inconvenient graphs like the one in Figure 6.
Fig 6 Total Australia wind generation showing its unreliability (thanks TonyfromOz)
That 6GW loss is a lot of coal and gas fired power stations which need to ramp up to cover the decline. It would be in addition to those which covered the 4pm to 9am solar loss. Declines like this might not happen that often, but they occur. How many days a year would you be prepared to be without power if you were relying on wind? The weather conditions which caused this are shown in Figure 7. Now where would the somewhere be for the wind farms the proponents are hoping to find?
Fig 7 Weather maps for consecutive days showing sudden onset of no wind over continent
New Grid Storage
The answer that glibly rolls off renewable proponents’ tongues to the lack of reliability is “more storage”. They are building more batteries and have others on the drawing board but in terms of energy storage and the hole they would have to cover, these planned additions would be insignificant and at prohibitive cost.
The alternative is supposed to be Snowy2 ,an expansion of the hydropower in the Snowy mountains. It is touted as 2000GW pumped storage generator with 350GWh storage – less than a day’s electricity for the NEM. It was originally costed as $2B and it was to be finished by now. Cost is already above $12B, assuming no more problems and completion possibly 2029 . That is assuming they can stop the tunnelling machine getting stuck again. There is a new CEO for the government owned company that will operate it because the previous one was sacked for rubbishing the ridiculous claims of the Energy Minister about this and the gas turbine to run on green hydrogen. Politicians don’t like being shown wrong by engineering and common sense.
Remember that as well as the storage, you also need additional generation constructed to fill storage.
New Transmission Lines
As part of the Snowy2 scheme (and included in the original cost) was uprating the transmission lines needed to get the extra power into and out of the grid. This has run into difficulties. Landowners do not want to lose the land the power lines will occupy nor the restrictions on farming operations and practices that go with them. The government is planning to force through legislation to over-ride opposition. Energy experts are warning it will be a big mistake to build them but the Energy Minister wants to push ahead. Needless to say, costs have skyrocketed and they are behind schedule.
South Australia
The May market review about the State had this:
SA’s average May 2023 electricity spot prices more than doubled in price to $202/MWh compared to $78/MWh in April.
- At $202/MWh, prices are cheaper than in the same period last year when prices averaged $312/MWh.
- Price volatility was high, with one market cap event and 25 instances of pricing being close to $10,000 or more. Numerous negative pricing incidents were recorded but were less extreme than those in positive territory.
- Renewables dropped from 72% in April to 56.6% of total generation. Gas continued its upward trend from 27% the previous month to a staggering 42.6%.
- Battery power remained on par with last month at 6% and averaged a cost of $445/MWh. Gas cost an average of $293/MWh and renewables $108/MWh.
The South Australian Grid operator in their latest report saw increased import capacity as necessary – not 100% renewable, just 100% net renewable so they still want to sponge off other states when their unreliables don’t deliver. To do this, more interconnectors will be needed. Events like shown below (Figure 8) put a lie to their renewable generation credentials. And remember, it doesn’t show interconnector flows, which in this case would be inward.
Fig 8 SA generation – no wind, no solar, no battery. Very high electricity price.
Reality has bitten and SA will subsidise a company to keep a GT station operating. Odds are this will happen again.
Voltage Stability Issues
There are also problems starting to manifest themselves in regions that have high renewables penetration with unstable grid voltages, particularly sub-synchronous oscillations (frequencies <50Hz) (SSO). These are superimposed on the basic waveform, distorting it. They can rapidly age or even destroy other components on the grid, particularly transformers and spinning shafts. EPRI in the USA recognised and initiated cures for the problems fifty years ago, but they are coming back as more assets involve DC/AC inverters. AEMO believe the problem is serious enough to issue a warning, even for operators of synchronous condensers. It is very likely the problem will get worse and be at least a large contributor to a major outage before there is an impetus to fix it. One hopes that the solution will be “causer pays” by fines and/ or remedial modifications like it is for other grid disturbances, but I for one doubt it. Politicians don’t admit their own mistakes.
A recently reported development in the operation of grid is potentially more concerning than the lack of inertia or SSO. It has caused the unreliables to be dispatched offbecause of the lack of system strength becoming a risk to stability. System Strength is the ability of the power system to maintain a stable voltage waveform at any given location, both during steady state operation and following a disturbance. If it isn’t controlled, it can rapidly damage electrical equipment. The problem occurred up in north Queensland. As recently as last year, the AEMO did not identify this region as one of the areas of potential weakness. One region they did identify, Victoria, will need about $1B of infrastucture quickly installed to address the risk.
As a simple explanation as to what is happening; if the voltage waveform is defined as a continuous sinewave, SSO will cause a cyclic amplitude change to the wave while low system strength causes distortion of the shape of the wave.
How much electricity do the unreliables actually provide and when?
TonyfromOz collected a years’ worth of daily NEM data and analysed it for the contribution from each source for each time interval. This was averaged. Those values went on a graph for a single day closest to the average. The results shown in Figure 9 indicate just how much Australia still relies on fossil fuels, especially in the period 5pm to 7am. Figure 10 is the whole year’s data (plotted as daily totals) he analysed showing the still very high reliance on coal.
Fig 9 average yearly contribution of renewables per grid trading period
Fig 10 plot of daily summation data used to give the Fig 9 average plot. Note tiny amount of load (negative generation) at bottom of bars for pumped hydro and battery storage.
Increased Risk of Power Outages
AEMO recently released their ten year forecast document, which showed an increased risk of a shortfall between generation and load. The document itself described the situation as “perched on the edge”. This resulted from closing the coal stations, yet not building enough wind/ solar/ batteries to replace the loss of dispatchable power. They do list their assumptions in their scenarios – many of which have a significant effect on the model. All the acronyms, links and terminology in the document make it heavy reading and easy to misinterpret. An example of why you shouldn’t ask an electrical engineer to explain what you thought was a simple issue.
Some commentators have been predicting doom and gloom from this forecast, with more blackouts ahead. Others are relatively sanguine about it. As Wattclarity helpfully points out, for any single consumer using the numbers shown, a power cut is more likely to be from a problem in the distribution system rather than on the transmission or generation side. The perception is that people appear to be more accepting of say a car crash taking out a neighbourhood power pole, rather than not enough generation, even though the nett effect may be the same.
Electricity Pricing
There is a very big disconnect between market wholesale pricing and the charge to consumers. The reasons for this are discussed in the ACCC paper that now seems only to be available in the web archive. However, they broke down prices into network, wholesale plus hedging, environmental, retail and margin. For the snapshot in 2017-18 across the whole of the NEM, wholesale was 34%. For SA, it was 41% which was the highest domestic price of the states. What they wrote about SA was:
“The primary drivers of cost increases in South Australia have been wholesale costs and environmental costs. These components increased average bills by $171 and $158 respectively from 2007–08 to 2017–18. There was also a decrease in retail margin of $12 per customer during this time period. South Australia overall had the highest increase in effective prices of 14.6 c/kWh”
What the actual price component breakdown is now does not seem to be available. Even what is published may be distorted by subsidies and Feed-In Tariffs for those with domestic solar. However, by trawling through various documents on Wayback, what is shown in the tables below is the wholesale and domestic prices for the 5 states in NEM. Most of the electricity generated is not sold through the wholesale spot market but on longer term contracts.
It is not known which if any of the prices have any subsidies already built in. The comparisons are believed to be consistent between years, subject to all the provisos already discussed.
The present Federal government came to power promising cheaper electricity and promising acceleration away from thermal plant. Instead, the price has gone up markedly and they have realised they need coal. It will be interesting to see if there are electoral repercussions. The main opposition party had similar energy policies, just not as radical.
One doesn’t need to be Nostradamus to see the domestic cost of electricity is going to continue rising at a rate higher than inflation as the coal stations are shut down. If solar and wind were really cheaper for the grid, they would already have been built and not need financial incentives or workarounds. So more subsidies for the coal replacements will be needed.
With all the subsidies, it is lucky Australia can pay for them with taxes, and charges on iron ore, coal and LNG exports. This is rather than providing reliable power with cheap coal like they used to do. As Forrest Gump said “Stupid is as stupid does”.
One of their major newspaper’s cartoonist got it right.
As was written on another blog: Renewables – the energy source so cheap, nobody can afford to build them.
The author thanks Planning Engineer for pushing him to write this update and for his significant editorial input. He also appreciates his workmates for the long smoko discussions about the meanings and importance of operational details
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“Coal also gets subsidised, but at about $0.40/MWh, which is mainly to maintain system stability and to be there when the renewables aren’t. This compares with the $74/MWh wind gets.”
Those numbers are taken from a 2017 AFR article. They are based on a report from the Minerals Council of Australia, representing miners.
Less than 15mins after publication, Stokes is first off the tee.
He has to impose his nonsense philosophy on the post.
Except he didn’t impose anything.
Like most of his posts.. it was a NON-comment, pertaining to absolutely nothing.
He’s trying to mark the post like a dog would: by peeing on it.
Whos paying for the massive grid expansion thats needed for the these new wind and solar generation sites. Normally the further away the generator is from the market the higher the price for the grid transport. I can imagine that being a ‘no way’ situation for those new unreliables who want every one to pay the same price
NSW in Dec 2022 placed a price cap emergency on the coal production for power stations, so thats a sort of reverse subsidy as they were taking money from the suppliers
https://www.aer.gov.au/wholesale-markets/nsw-coal-market-price-emergency
“thats a sort of reverse subsidy as they were taking money from the suppliers”
and giving it to the generators, who the measure was designed to protect.
The point is who pays in the long run. Subsidies to anyone don’t just get picked off a money tree in the outback or anywhere else for that matter. The end users end up footing the bill one way or another.
Dwelling on who gets the subsidies and how much identifies who is controlling the payola. It sure isn’t the end user who gets stuffed with higher electricity rates and higher taxes to fund all this raz-ma-taz.
The subsidy is the business and homeowners whos electricity price increases werent so steep .
Who cares when the 2017 dated difference is so large. But maybe it also says about absolutes. Renewable dispatchable power is so undeniably small even $74/MWh doesn’t cover enough costs.
Sort of like the saying, I’d rather 1% of a billion dollars than 50% of a hundred dollars.
You’re insinuating that the Minerals Council are lying Nick?
Evidence?
I think there are many opportunities for creative accounting.
You mean like basically EVERY paper ever put out but the AGW cult ?
You give Mickey Mann et al a free pass… then you complain about UNPROVEN “creative accounting”.
Hilarious. !!
Nick, the most blatant example of “creative accounting” is the LCOE numbers cooked up for wind & solar, where no inclusion for the necessary coal, gas, diesel, hydro costs is made for propping up these fanciful versions of proper dispatchable power.
If w&s LCOE numbers were presented as part of a public company’s annual report and P&L statements, ASIC would have the directors in jail, and the ASX would suspend trading of the shares in the company.
You’re insinuating that the Minerals Council are lying Nick?
I think there are many opportunities for creative accounting.
Notice how he won’t commit?
In other words, you admit that you have no proof.
So, Nick has absolutely ZERO counter to wind getting 185 times the “help” that coal gets.
.. and that coal gets ONLY because of wind caused grid instability.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot, Nick..
Hilarious. !
He’s a very accurate shot.
He hits his foot every time.
Miners are the big winners in the NetZero insanity. Global mining has to increase six-fold to build all the useless stuff needed for the transition of the west’s energy supply. The transition relies on Australia rapidly increasing output of coal, iron ore, bauxite, copper concentrate, lithium carbonate, etc to feed the Chinese manufacturers enabling the insanity.
The Australian Mining Council is a green group:
https://minerals.org.au/policy-advocacy/
Mr. Will: Good spot. Guess we can’t blame MR. Stokes too much for thinking that the “Australian Mining Council” represented miners.
But the Minerals Council of Australia, which was the source of this report, as I quoted, describes itself as
“The leading advocate for Australia’s minerals industry, promoting and enhancing sustainability, profitability and competitiveness.”
Another meaninglessly and irrelevant non-comment from the Nick-picker. !
Pertaining to absolutely nothing.
Just a petty little yapping sound.
Nick,
You really need to ask yourself why are we subsidising something that doesn’t work reliably, never meets its headline capacity, and only lasts for 15-20 years, when we have the technology to produce ample, reliable and cheap energy using nuclear and gas, to solve a non-existent problem?
First off, very few of these “councils” actually represent the people they claim to represent.
Secondly, only a small fraction of miners, are coal miners.
Your attempt to insinuate that this report must be true because the group represents coal miners is refuted by reality.
In any case, the reality is that t is nonsense to say that coal has such a small subsidy. In fact the power stations, were built by state government, who also dug the mines, and built the powerlines. In Queensland, at least, the coal stations and infrastructure are still owned by the government. How are you going to figure 40c/MWh out of that?
Coal actually PRODUCES something worthwhile.
Coal pays massive taxes as well that help fund Australia.
Wind and solar contribute NOTHING….Just like you.
All you have achieved is a plaintive whinging and whining sound.
Mr. Stokes: And when you post here, you represent…..?
What I don’t quite understand is:
Australia and Texas have similar populations and similar resources. Both have isolated grids (Texas on purpose, Australia because it’s its own continent). Texas is managing to oversee just as much renewables (upwards of 70% penetration at times), but without the same grid stability issues, and with fewer pricing issues (the price spikes in Texas are as common as they were before the massive rollout of renewables). The thing that I don’t understand is why is Texas so much better at this?
Gas.
Interconnectors. Texas grid isnt fully isolated at all so does connect to Mexico and the grids around, but most power is locally sourced
Texas gets over half its generation from fossil fuels- especially natural gas . Particular days cherry picked dont show much
Australia is more isolated and bigger area but less population ( 6 mill less)
Australia also has interconnectors to New Zealand.
???
In fact Texas had a major grid-wide blackout in 2021, and another call for voluntary restriction this year. Despite all the rumblings about falling short of some precautionary standard, Aisuralia has not had those misfortunes.
“Aisuralia [lol] has not had those misfortunes.”
Yet.. but getting there,
…. thanks to the wind and solar infection and not updating reliable power supplies.
South Australia state wide blackout which lasted a day or two.
prime example of the rush to unreliable being the underlying cause.
Since they had no synchronous supply in the main urban area of Adelaide, the southern interconnector from the fossil fuel based system of Victoria cut out to prevent it being damaged. This meant load shedding on on the whole state followed- no synchronous power from the interconnector meant the northern wind powered side that wasnt taken down with the few transmission lines where the wind storm toppled the pylons couldnt provide grid stability OR load- Effectively they lost their shirt and their pants one after the other
But the SA blackout wasn’t grid-wide; in fact it was caused primarily of course by wind damage, and then by the overlod of the Heywood interconnector. The rest of the grid was fine.
And it was only a few hours.
“But the SA blackout wasn’t grid-wide;”
Only because they shut down the interconnect to prevent the frequency irregularity from affecting the rest of the NEM
You really are ignorant about electricity, aren’t you Nick !!
A cold start wasnt a few hours , it was a good day or more
SA runs its own micro grid as its essentially separated from the other states – except interconnectors.
Tasmania is same situation .
And why was the Heywood or AC interconnector from Brown Coal supply in Victoria shut off. Because the *in state* wind powered system failed to maintain its own frequency so the software running the 650MW AC link said …goodbye
The comparison was between Oz and Texas, not SA and Texas.
The AEMO report says the black state was over aafter about two hours. Here is their graph of load:
Manic cherry-picking.
SA collapsed….. and had to be isolated to avoid NEM collapse.
Get over it.
Australia is a number of smaller grids tied together.
As such it can’t be compared directly to the Texas grid.
It was chadb who made that comparison, not I.
If you continued to use the comparison without pointing out the problems with it, then you share responsibility for it.
Looks like 7-8 hours before they even had water restored.
Would be hilarious to see how Nick-pick coped with no electricity or water for most of the afternoon and evening.
But he probably has a fossil fuel powered generator.
Now you move the goalpost……, you are getting worse over time since it was still a significant BLACKOUT which wasn’t supposed to happen.
“In fact Texas had a major grid-wide blackout in 2021″
Yep.. wind and solar failed almost completely.
GAS ramped right up and carried the system until “green idiotology” of using non-gas for pumps, cause a shortfall of gas supply.
Nic
The Texas blackout was not grid wide – SA was. Texas shut a lot of suburbs off to protect the core, but from memory, their minimum generation dropped down to about 40GW
How Texas’ Power Generation Failed During the Storm, in Charts – The New York Times (nytimes.com). SA was totally black for several hours, then took most of a day to get everything back, and that is only because they brought in power from Victoria.
So your comparison isn’t apples with apples
I was wrong. Minimum was just under 32GW
ERCOT: power demand and generation February 2021 | Statista
Of course, SA was zero.
SA is not grid wide. Other states were unaffected. The comparison was between Texas and Oz (presumably East Coast).
“Other states were unaffected”
Of course they weren’t .
SA was disconnected so the instability didn’t spread.
SA is a very minor player on the NEM.. they basically don’t matter.
A FAILED micro-grid that relies totally on the NEM to survive.
What they have done.. they have done to themselves.
More manic Nick-Picking to cover his FAILED and petty attempt at distraction..
So why not compare NEM with say the US East of Rockies?
Take that up with chadb. I was commenting on his comparison of Texas and Oz.
Since Nick is going to use the fact that the SA grid is tied to other grids as proof that the entire grid didn’t go down.
The Texas grid is tied to the rest of the US grid, and the entire US didn’t go down.
One of these days Nick will at least attempt to argue honestly.
Alas, today is not going to be that day.
Nick
You wrote “In fact Texas had a major grid-wide blackout in 2021″.
When confronted with the fact that you got that wrong, you moved the goalposts.
Behaviour like that is what gets you discredited.
OK, I should have said brownout. The point is that chadb asked why Texas has done so much better than Oz, and I pointed out that they haven’t.
So you don’t know the difference between a brown-out and a rolling blackout. Good to know.
OK, rolling blackout, if you prefer. The point is that Texas has had them, and Australia not.
SA had to be isolated, so the NEM didn’t go down.
THE SA grid went down.. get over it, and face facts
You draw a moronic and irrelevant comparison in a petty attempt to shore up your idiotic belief system.
No nick, Texas wasn’t even a brownout. That is when voltage drops. It was load shedding to retain the core grid. .
I think we all know what happened in Texas without people haggling over word that they like most.
Yet that is all you ever do, Nick. ! Go figure.
Caught with your foot in mouth… you try slithering out of it..
… while still chewing your foot.
So sad. !
He doesn’t seem to realize how he is slithering all over the place with his posts as they are never the same and he has ignored the specific differences several people have pointed out to him.
He has been discredited since he has moved the goalpost over 500 miles now……
Texas did not have a system wide blackout. It had extensive rolling blackouts. South Australia did have a state wide blackout. Big difference.
Another misleading claim you made as there have been blackouts fears for several years now BECAUSE of the forced Ruinables being imposes in Australia examples from Jo Nova:
Blackout risk in five states continues: Wholesale energy market suspended, Australians told to use less electricity
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Mayhem on the Australian Grid continues — Record prices, factory shutdowns, emergency warnings
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Australian grid teeters on edge of blackouts tonight
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Panic now: The Australian national grid manager admits blackouts are coming
LINK
In all these links it was the forced addition of Ruinables that caused this to become a growing blackout threat problem just as it did in Texas.
Eliminate all subsidies, the problem will solve itself. Wind and solar can’t operate without subsidies so they will go away. Coal and gas will be allowed to operate at maximum efficiency i.e. at a profit and that will buy time to build new coal, gas and nuclear.
Too much reality and sense there for green energy brokers to absorb Bob.
Isnt that how Texas electricity market ERCOT works
“Normally, power generators are paid for energy production (amount of electricity) and capacity (having megawatts available on demand). However, the Texas wholesale market only trades energy, and there is no capacity market”
That means overall Natural gas is 52% and wind is 19%
Story tip
Lost 2017 Airbus Engine Found Under 12-Feet Of Greenland Ice – Electroverse
How deeply did the engine bury itself after falling from altitude?
Beyond that, even if the engine had ended up on the surface. Being found 12 feet down would just be evidence that 12 feet of snow had fallen since 2017, it is not evidence that the glacier is 12 feet taller.
Story tip:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772
Looking at the image at the top- just curious but do kangaroos mind wind turbines?
Wind farms have maintenance personal.
As in – watch over them, or object to their presence?
That depends. How high do kangaroos jump?
One is an accident and the other is negligent.
I am ashamed deeply ashamed I tell you!
Australia shamed on climate change in full-page New York Times advert | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site
…that we’re not at least walking it back like some if there’s too many red faced elites to openly admit right now they were conned by a climate cult-
Rishi Sunak announces watering down of climate change policies | Watch (msn.com)
Swedish government criticised for curbing green policies in budget (msn.com)
Head for the exits now before the crush dopey doomsters as Joe Public are onto the scam.
Ad posted by The Australia Institute.
An ultra-far-left bunch of climate *ankers and activists.
The shame for Australia is that they exist !!
This is serious-
Yallourn Power Station safety concerns are bad news as Australia enters long, hot summer (msn.com)
Now we know why they’re running coal fired power stations on sticky tape and string to eke the last revenue out of them before they’re blown up but here’s the rub. There are industrial manslaughter Laws in place for PCBUs with 20 year jail terms nowadays and at some stage they’ll have to call time on these plants lest they’re found guilty of a worker’s death.
If I were in any position of responsibility for that right now I’d be firing off letters to all and sundry including relevant Ministers recommending such plants be closed forthwith to cover my ass. Well unless you have some slushfunding to keep them safely operating for however long you feel necessary Minister? Hmmmm….?
Review recommends NSW government delay closure of Eraring power station – ABC News
Interesting table. Remember in about 2017, SA and Vic both blew up coal stations, and sky-high prices were forecast here. But they halved by 2021. Then Ukraine raised prices everywhere, but the coal states were much more affected. Vic, SA and Tas are still the cheapest.
Where is that list of your electricity costs per unit over the last several years, Nick?
You, know, the ones you were too cowardly to post it a few months ago.
Just look them up from your bills.
Bottom line with what I pay with an all electric household in metro Adelaide SA is this Nick-
Daily charge 107.6c, first 11kWhrs per day is 46.4c and 50.1c/kWhr above that with controlled load (HWS) of 22.3c and they’re amongst the dearest in the NEM market.
Mum dad and 2 kids are going to be using at least 30kWhrs a day and if they can manage a rooftop 6.6kw solar array with 5kW inverter for a subsidised $5300 say they might get 5-6c kWhr feed-in for it often throttled to 1.5kW max to give you an idea what it’s really worth to the grid. They know from all the experts solar and wind are cheaper but it just don’t feel that way when the bill comes in.
Solar doesn’t do much in winter, when you need heating in the morning and evening.
Oh wow how good are we with clean green power folks?
Renewables sail past 70 pct on Australia’s main grid, send coal to fresh lows | RenewEconomy
It’s a pity the average adult power consumer has one large boob and a testicle though.
Sunny and windy day today.
NEM shows that Coal + gas is still more than wind + solar.
ps, that is from grid values.
And of course… this evening, there will be no solar.
https://www.finder.com.au/average-cost-of-electricity
I’m paying AUD 14.9 cents / kwh.
No wind or solar on my grid.
Suffer in yer jocks.
Where is that , it helps to know the general location and perhaps the time of day if that matters
BC
Nic
You appear not to have read what I wrote. What do you think the sentence “Most of the electricity generated is not sold through the wholesale spot market but on longer term contracts” mean?
To save you showing black is really white, there is little connection between the consumer price and the spot price, which is really a residuals market.
And as I have previously pointed out, the average spot price that the AEMO publishes isn’t an average power price. It is artificially lowered because it does not have a load weighing. As an example, price at lunchtime of zero vrs a price at 18:00 of $300, AEMO calculates the average to be $150. If grid load at lunchtime was 100MW because of the domestic solar but they have kept the GTs on minimum load (for a cost outside the wholesale market) and at !8:00 is 2000MW, the average cost of power is significantly higher. Now run the same load numbers at -$50 and $5000 dollars.
Lies, damn lies and statistcs?
As in other commodities, the open market may not be where most business is done, but it guides the other makets. In signing such a contract, buyer and seller are both aware that the spot market is an alternative.
The average represents the price you would pay if you simply bought the same amount each hour on the market, which is a very reasonable starting point. Of course you can do better if you can make your purchases price sensitive.
You are blethering mindless nothings, yet again, Nick witless !!
Now, where is that list of electricity prices you have been are paying over the last several years.
Still waiting !
“ But they halved by 2021. “
Totally disingenuous as always..
You are well aware there was a massive drop in demand due to covid.
Stop your petty underhanded comments.
“You are well aware there was a massive drop in demand due to covid.”
As usual, you’ll just say anything. Here is the demand in recent years:
There is no “massive drop in demand due to covid”
The decline in operational is due to rooftop solar. The underlying repesents the sum.
Why only Q4, Nick..
more dishonest and deceptive cherry picking.
“The supplementary report shows that overall electricity consumption fell by 2 per cent in the second quarter of 2020, compared to the same time last year. Residential consumption rose significantly during the nationwide COVID-19 lockdowns, and because of colder weather in some states, while business consumption plummeted,” Mr Sims said.”
2% is not a massive drop in demand.
OMG you are so thick !!.. and slimy !
“while business consumption plummeted,”
That means there was much more grid supply available.
Do you not comprehend the basis of supply and demand !
2%
That is a deceptive use of average Nic. Post the operational demand at 6pm – it doesn’t decline. And that is what the thermal stations have to meet.
You seem to just objection for objection’s sake, with no logic. My contention was that there was no drop in demand.
No I actually agree with you Nick. There is no drop in demand.
I should have made it clearer. It is the AEMO who are deceptive in the use of average – like their average spot price. They should have used the peak grid MW over the year as that would show the data better.
According to Wattclarity, there have been a number of maximum loads this year.
It’s just those pesky unexpected costs that keep spoiling the vision splendid-
Unexpected costs | The Spectator Australia
The obvious solution is to require intermittent sources like wind and solar to provide 100% load following backup.
Right now only gas turbines perhaps backed up with smaller batteries are capable of providing this at scale.
The high spot prices are being caused by wind and solar and should be paid for by wind and solar. The consumer should not be asked to pay as these prices were entirely predictable as renewables were added without load following backup.
Grid scale batteries are impractical due to cost and limited lifetime. At wholesale prices, a million dollar grid scale battery can barely store and release a million dollars worth of electricity before it needs to be replaced. It doesn’t get much stupider.
And a home battery to backup a home solar system is also a bad investment, as you will never pay off the system during the battery’s short lifetime.
Also a million dollars of batteries would only supply enough electricity to support the grid for a few seconds.
You need 100’s of trillions of dollars worth of batteries to support the grid for even one day.
A 10kwh tesla powerwall battery hold maybe $1 worth of electricity at $0.10 kwh retail. Cycled 3 thousand times which is an optimistic lifetime, that is $3 thousand dollars worth of electricity. The battery costs more than double that amount.
EVs have the same problem as the powerwall. The battery costs more than the electricity over the lifetime of the vehicle.
Observa notes this story from ABC in Ozonia which concerns the upcoming closure of the Eraring power station in August 2025:
Review recommends NSW government delay closure of Eraring power station – ABC News
If the Ozonian experiment in Net Zero crash test dummy-ness is to proceed according to expectations, then Eraring and the other coal-fired power plants now slated to close before 2030 must all be shuttered and quickly demolished according to the current schedule. It’s the only sure way to determine who is right and who is wrong in the contentious debate over the rationality — or the lack thereof — of Australia’s Net Zero transition.
There, someone finally mentioned the 800lb gorilla in the room: the SSO events. They will increase as more and more DC power sources (like wind and solar) are added to the grid. This will lead to increasing damage to grid components that manage reactive power flows, making the it more and more fragile. Like corrosion in a steel structure, this is a mostly hidden problem that will eventually result in catastrophic failure if left unaddressed.
I look forward to Nick’s detailed technical refutation. /sarc