Right, Washington Times, EPA’s Appliance Regulations Considerably ‘Lower Performance’

From ClimateREALISM

By H. Sterling Burnett

Editor’s Note: The Washington Times published a story detailing the “avalanche of energy rules,” pushed by the Biden administration “to turn entirety of homes green.” As the story explains manufacturers warn the rules will reduce the performance of these appliances, leaving clothes and dishes dirtier, for example. The Washington Times analysis of the impact of the rules is accurate. Consumer choice and features will be sharply curtailed, for minimal, if any, cost savings. Climate Realism excerpts the story below.

Per the Washington Times story, “Biden seeks to turn entirety of homes green; manufacturers of appliances warn of lower performance:”

It’s not just your gas stove that the Biden administration is seeking to regulate in the name of combating climate change — it’s coming for your entire home.

President Biden’s green energy goals have resulted in an array of new efficiency rules for a slew of household appliances, including microwaves and toothbrush chargers. The effort is forcing manufacturers to produce more costly products that they say reverse innovation by decades and potentially eliminate thousands of U.S. jobs.

The Washington Times notes, the Biden administration’s new regulations will require manufacturers to fundamentally redesign the appliances covered by the rules, and any cost savings will be minimal. The Washington Times writes:

Combined, the plethora of rules would save the average family $100 annually by lowering energy bills. (emphasis mine)

Industry leaders say the rules come with steep upfront costs for consumers and negatively impact performance.

Rather than innovating features sought by consumers, the ramped-up regulations for appliances are forcing manufacturers to go backward, said Jill Notini, a spokeswoman for the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers.

“They are literally going to have to redesign products that will look closer to the 1950s than they do to 2020,” Ms. Notini said.

One industry executive described the cascade of regulations as “an avalanche” and “unprecedented” in stringency and scope.

Energy savings for individual consumers would be small. The new washing machine rules would save less than $8 annually [while removing 98 percent of existing top loading machines from the market], and the clothes dryer efficiency standards would save $36 per year, according to the Energy Department.

To understand the full breadth and scope of the Biden administration’s regulatory restrictions on appliances, and how they will affect average people’s lives, one should read the full story linked above.

Linnea Lueken and myself previously discussed the regulatory onslaught restricting peoples’ choices of furnacesair conditioners, stoveslightbulbsrefrigerators, clothes washers, and gasoline and diesel-powered cars, in the Red State article, “Is the Biden Administration Celebrating Earth Day or Lenin’s Birthday With Its Regulatory Onslaught?” The pace, scope, and stringency of the Biden administration’s energy and water efficiency rules are as unprecedented as they are unhelpful, vis a vis, cleaning up the air and water or fighting climate change.

H. Sterling Burnett

H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D., is the Director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy and the managing editor of Environment & Climate News. In addition to directing The Heartland Institute’s Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy, Burett puts Environment & Climate News together, is the editor of Heartland’s Climate Change Weekly email, and the host of the Environment & Climate News Podcast.

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May 12, 2023 6:06 am

A scrubboard is gluten-free and burns calories!

Reply to  BallBounces
May 12, 2023 6:16 am

But they do a terrible job with glasses, cups, plates, pots and pans.


Bryan A
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 12, 2023 7:00 am

Isn’t that what kids are for?
1 step forward 10 steps back

Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 6:13 am

I just got a new dishwasher. It takes twice as long as the one that is about 20 years old. I don’t know why. It seems very cheaply made- mostly plastic. It is much quieter, I like that. Made in China of course.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 7:28 am

Yes that’s because these climate changers with their unreliables want to reduce peak load on their flaky useless grid. The consumer doesn’t save on power bills as all your green washer does is spread the lower power consumption over a much longer period.

Last ‘eco’ top loader I bought took so long the dipsy daughter would forget to hang it out (Adelaide climate) in timely fashion and when she finally remembered would promptly run it through again because it’s ‘musty’. Then the wife starts complaining it stops on her but try as I might I can’t find anything wrong with it. Only to discover she’s chucking sheets etc in it and sticking it on ‘delicates’ to cut the time down so it trips on her. Arrrrgh!

Then I remembered those caravan park top loaders just like our old ones used to be. So an online ad and flog the green horror to some poor unsuspecting young schmuck and in went the Commercial Speed Queen and peace in our time. I swear the wife loved me again for at least a month.

Maybe with the next green vacuum cleaner I won’t have to bother with the compressor cleaning and sorting out the hair etc to actually make it suck after the Venusian space invaders have finished with it. It’s the way they are permanently now dears making a whirring noise and pushing the dirt around the floor. Their saving grace is they’re incredibly cute and cuddly and we mere earthlings are fascinated by the stars.

Reply to  observa
May 12, 2023 10:57 am

I’ve never understood the “delicates” setting. It was clearly not invented for people who prefer “action figures” over “dolls”.

Writing Observer
Reply to  observa
May 12, 2023 6:14 pm

Vacuum cleaners – why I’ve been buying shop vacs for several years now.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 9:29 am

I read somewhere, some years ago that washing dishes by hand was far less efficient than using a dishwasher. A sink-full of water might be 3 or 4 gallons and has to be heated. Thereafter it begins cooling immediately below the temperature safe enough to put your hands in.

That sink-full is usually capable of washing, say, a family of four’s dishes and pot’s etc. from an evening meal. We’ll forget about breakfast and lunch for the moment.

By the time the dishes are washed and, probably, stubborn marks on cookware are cleaned the water is tepid and not killing germs efficiently.

A dishwasher can usually be loaded up once a day with a family’s entire crockery, cutlery and cookware. At least that’s how it worked in my family of four.

The dishes are/were* washed at a higher temperature than can be tolerated in a sink and the chemicals used in the dishwasher liquid can be more aggressive. Germs are largely eliminated by the heat/chemicals and the dishes emerge gleaming and almost guaranteed free of contamination.

I could be wrong with all this but it certainly seemed to work for us over the last 30 years or so.

It’s all a bit like the drive to save water in the UK by mandating smaller toilet cisterns. We refurbished our bathroom 15 years ago or so and unthinkingly disposed of our large, Victorian style cistern for a small ‘efficient’ one of two thirds the size.

The old one used a lot of water and if we weren’t careful we would be sucked into the vortex of spinning water, but it ensured everything was gone. It now frequently takes at least two flushes of the new cistern to dispose of the contents and scrub it wildly with a brush before the water stops again.

*Dishwashers, like washing machines usually run at a lower temperature than they used to, ‘to save energy’.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  HotScot
May 12, 2023 9:57 am

Off topic, but you are actually a Scotsman? I ask because the few Scots I’ve ever talked to here in Woke-achusetts- I enjoyed those conversations very much. Partly their wit and partly I get a kick out of the accent.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 10:36 am

Yep, a Jock, through and through.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  HotScot
May 13, 2023 4:26 am

uh… not sure what you mean by Jock- here a jock is a serious athlete

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 14, 2023 2:08 am

Our resident Jock is a strapping lad, frequently tossing his Caber !! (:-))

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 15, 2023 1:35 am

Jock is the long held (hundreds of years) term of endearment(?) for a Scot, by the Sassenachs.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  HotScot
May 13, 2023 4:34 am

Ahh, our One True Scotsman! See the informal logic fallacy. A tip o’ the hat.

Reply to  HotScot
May 12, 2023 3:49 pm

On top of that, modern cistern mechanisms designed to “save water” often fail and lead to water continuously leaking into the toilet bowl, creating far more wasted water than before.

The lunacy of modern regulations is incredible. All they do is enable boxes to be ticked so that ‘targets’ can be ‘achieved’ while in reality doing the exact opposite. The law of unintended consequences will almost certainly mean these new regulations will create more problems than they’ll ever solve.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  MarkW2
May 13, 2023 4:37 am

I am blessed with an antique low volume flush by Ifö, for which I have a spare essential mechanism.

I live on an Island of fractured limestone in Lake Michigan and so use a 2,000 gallon holding tank that must be pumped out regularly – and field spread.

Reply to  HotScot
May 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Yass, yass. . .

The purpose of modern appliances is to appease Gaia — RATHER than to get the dishes, socks, and underwear clean.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  HotScot
May 12, 2023 5:17 pm

Had this argument with friends about dishwashers being more efficient.
Doesn’t work for me. Firstly there is only myself and my wife. So throughout the day it is only cups and saucers and small plates and then perhaps some cookware in the evening. As for a 3-4 gallon sink full of heated water I don’t do that. A couple of litres of ‘proper’ hot water from my kitchen tap and my old asbestos clad hands and I can manage 3 or 4 quick washes per day sparkling clean. No dirty dishes hanging around inside a dishwasher all day for the nightly srub. No high water or electric bills.
I know what works for me.
And ps I’m not Scots either though I love them . .

Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
May 13, 2023 2:54 pm

As I understand it, dishwashers are more efficient if you run them on full loads.

For you that would mean having more dishes than you probably need and running it every few days. That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
May 16, 2023 10:31 am

And then if you live near one of the Great Lakes, water is pretty cheap. Saving money is not a big concern.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 1:18 pm

Environmentalism is a first-order forcing of labor and environmental arbitrage.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 12, 2023 6:58 pm

When I had just bought a house while I was posted to Northern Ireland I announced one day I needed to go early to take delivery of a new dishwasher. The office wag piped up “Is she not 20 years old?”

Doug Huffman
Reply to  It doesnot add up
May 13, 2023 4:40 am

… and of stature to need high heels at the scullery sink?

Dr. Bob
May 12, 2023 6:38 am

And we will need a new Federal Department of Dishwasher Efficiency employing 10,000 government workers to monitor this effort. But of course they will all be Green Jobs!

What a Waste!

Reply to  Dr. Bob
May 12, 2023 8:35 pm

lots more 9mm brass to reload when they get trained.

May 12, 2023 6:40 am

I wonder if there will be an aftermarket of replacement chips, re-programming equipment, and swapping out of certain parts to “override” the energy efficient settings for these new appliances.

Example: I have a coin-op Speed Queen brand washer for my tenants to use. You can program the washer to increase the amount of water (significantly) if you choose. Which I did since my tenants weren’t getting their clothes cleaned at the base “green” setting.

Loren Wilson
Reply to  Hell_Is_Like_Newark
May 12, 2023 6:48 am

Same problem – there was no visible water in the drum while “rinsing”. Ran two extra rinses so the clothes came out with less detergent in them. Then I found a YouTube video about how to adjust the water level in the washer. Now I use one extra rinse and my clothes don’t feel like they are still soapy.

Reply to  Loren Wilson
May 12, 2023 11:04 am

Now I use one extra rinse and…
Once P&G adjusts the soap pods you won’t even notice.
The service economy doesn’t get as dirty as the coal mining economy.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  Hell_Is_Like_Newark
May 12, 2023 10:57 am

One apartment building I lived in had one of those washers with the dispenser in the agitator for liquid fabric softener. One idjit in the building kept putting powdered detergent in there so I had to remove the thing and wash it out every time I washed my clothes. I printed out several signs, in English and Spanish, that the thing in the middle was for LIQUID fabric softener. The offender was either ignorant or illiterate (in two languages) because the person didn’t stop using it wrong. I thought about getting a sign laminated and taping it to the underside of the washer lid.

May 12, 2023 6:44 am

When they come for my Marshall amps there will be trouble

Reply to  strativarius
May 12, 2023 7:18 am

They’ll simply install mechanical stops so you can’t crank em up past 5.


Bryan A
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 12, 2023 7:21 am

Damn and I just added the 11

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 12, 2023 8:57 am

It’s that loud I rarely go above 2….

Reply to  strativarius
May 12, 2023 1:31 pm

Fender Champ 40 Watt at 7 is enough to make the windows shake …..feedback fab too..

Ill Tempered Klavier
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 13, 2023 2:12 am

My favorite amp for a lot of things is a 1966 Fender Bassman with a Vibratone. Similarly, I run my B-3 into a pair of 147 Leslies. Tubes (valves to Brits, I think) work a magic that has yet to be achieved by anything solid state. More recent solid state amps such as a Fender Mustang V or Peavy Viper 30 feature digital emulation of classic tube amps, better than nothing but I still haven’t found one I really like. Modern keyboards, unlike my old Doric and Vox compacts don’t have instrument level outputs. While I like a lot of things my Yamaha FC-88 stage piano or Casio WK-7600 let me do, to get THE sound out of them, I have to use an attenuator to play them through my old tube amps.

Another case where older is better.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  strativarius
May 13, 2023 4:43 am

One toy from my foolishness that I was not smart enough to keep was my Carver and BA SDA-1 PAIR

May 12, 2023 6:46 am

We recently acquired a new stove/range to replace our ~20-year old one that had failed. Same manufacturer, same layout, same price point, but now energy efficient (only option).

We quickly learned what energy efficient means in this context. The oven takes twice as long to pre-heat and a pot of water takes almost double the time to boil.

So like low flow toilets that use half the water but you have to flush three times, our so-called energy efficient appliance may use less energy per unit of time but on net it uses more energy per task because it is under-powered.

Live and learn, next appliance that fails I will either be repairing or seeking out a quality used replacement.

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Reply to  MJB
May 12, 2023 11:07 am

MJB’s observation is an exact summary of why people who want to electrify all appliances must eliminate nat gas. Any person who boils a pot of water both ways will know.

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It doesnot add up
Reply to  KevinM
May 12, 2023 7:12 pm

A 3kW kettle works well if you have 240V power. Attempts to limit the power are futile, because it takes the same amount of energy to raise the water to boiling point, and probably extra energy is wasted leaking to the room at the lower heating rate. Moreover, once you start looking at the impact over a peak demand period, and assume that people run their kettles at relatively random moments over say half an hour, it only take a few hundred kettles before essentially the average power consumption is the same as it was at 3kW if you halve the maximum power. Twice as many kettles will be struggling to boil at any moment.

A jug design that allows a small minimum quantity of water does help reduce demand though. I can boil enough for a quick cup of tea in about 45 seconds.

The Real Engineer
Reply to  It doesnot add up
May 13, 2023 1:17 am

The EU idiots tried that one, toasters kettles etc of much less power. They actually used more energy due to the time temperature heat loss ratio. Why have they got rid of all the actually scientifically trained people? It must be because they were told their ideas were stupid too often! So much for sense!

Doug Huffman
Reply to  MJB
May 13, 2023 4:45 am

you may be able to find a local craftsman to increased the regulated pressure / open up the orifice.

May 12, 2023 7:01 am

The Washington Times story is paywalled and unable to be read.

Only use a solar & wind powered device to dry the clothes. Dishes are done by hand in a large sink.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  derbrix
May 13, 2023 4:46 am

TWT was my go-to for many years, until they walled themselves off from the world.

AGW is Not Science
May 12, 2023 7:05 am

The irony being, using the example of dishwashers, when they don’t do the job in the interests of “energy savings,” more had washing and pre-rinsing will be done, which will actually INCREASE energy (and water) use.

The sooner these Eco-Nazis are thrown out of office, the better.

Bryan A
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
May 12, 2023 7:22 am

Or more paper plates, bowls and cups will be used avoiding washing dishes

Reply to  Bryan A
May 12, 2023 7:39 am

Which will then fill up landfills after they are thrown away, while ceramic plates can be re-used hundreds of times until they break.

David Pentland
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
May 12, 2023 7:42 am

“The sooner these Eco-Nazis are thrown out of office, the better.”
Throwing out individuals won’t work. I believe Gregory Bateson observed that institutions survive over time the way species do.
What happens when you pluck a few dandelions?

Reply to  David Pentland
May 12, 2023 9:09 am

A few, nothing. Nearly all, something you aren’t killing takes over. Similarly, throwing only these “Eco-Nazis” out isn’t going to change things (much), throwing them out each time they crop up will. The catch is you have to keep at it, continuously improving (dare I say husbanding?) the breed.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
May 12, 2023 4:36 pm

The eco-nazis in California have made it illegal to sell replacement sink aerators that have a flow larger that 1.5 GPM. This is to “save water”. No mention of why concerned people would not use the valves already supplied on all faucets to do this. Fortunately, a power drill will open the narrowed waterway to allow sufficient water flow to remove grease and grime.

They also regulate showerhead flow and toilet valve flow,. No mention of why they would want you to shower longer or take your toilet longer to fill up.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  doonman
May 12, 2023 7:15 pm

In the end you get reduced to filling a bucket to flush the toilet, much as you would when you lose water supply for a hurricane and have to rely on a bathful.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  doonman
May 13, 2023 4:55 am

Learn how these offensive devices work, then disassemble them to remove the GD orifices. I believe that the only water orifice remaining is the salt water flush regulating orifice in my DIY water conditioner softener. The major parts are thirty years old, except for the resin that I replaced a few years ago.

Ron Long
May 12, 2023 7:21 am

The Brandon EPA wants us to live in teepees and, instead of burning buffalo chips, we can burn the bullschist provided, in abundance, by the EPA. Wait for it.

Reply to  Ron Long
May 12, 2023 9:11 am

No, no, no burning. You can wallow in the fresh stuff to keep warm. But only buffalo, cattle are CO2 and methane emitters.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  John_C
May 12, 2023 10:59 am

Buffalo? But I don’t want to move to Africa. Here in Norte Americana we use bison poo.

Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
May 14, 2023 2:14 am

No Sh!t !!!

Reply to  Ron Long
May 12, 2023 11:14 am

There was a man in Massachusetts who signed up for every flyer and catalogue list he could get his address on, then survived an entire New England winter burning junk mail. The Internet changed that world.
Does the story have an analogy to mine? Something about how many ads must be sent to defeat a gmail spam folder? Or the authority gathered by Alphabet as they set default spam settings? Not sure. I just loved the story. It was late 1980s, before cell phones and home computers were physically huge boxes with tiny electron beam screens.

Ron Long
Reply to  KevinM
May 12, 2023 3:17 pm

Good comment, KevinM. Here’s another one similar: two guys built a steam powered car, with the boiler fired by rubber tire debris gathered from the road enroute in a coast-to-coast demo. They made it almost halfway until the police arrested them for driving a vehicle that obviously couldn’t pass an emissions test. The police said the huge black cloud was a clue.

May 12, 2023 8:01 am

Just bought a new top of the line Maytag six months ago and it works great and is the quietest dishwasher I’ve ever owned. Has stainless steel racks instead of plastic coated steel.

Had one hell of a time getting it in. Had put down a new laminate floor in the kitchen and I had to pull out four rows of that 3/8″ thick flooring to get the old dishwasher out and the new one in. And had a new granite countertop installed on the existing cabinets. Thank God I stapled the new flooring in instead of gluing it. Made it possible to remove and reinstall with no damage or marring.

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Reply to  rah
May 12, 2023 11:19 am

3/8″ thick flooring“… reminds me of “1/2 gallon of ice cream”. One brand at the supermarket went to real 1/2 gallon volumes and other brand’s containers look punt. I almost wrote “pint sized” instead of puny. Word meanings… malleably.

Ill Tempered Klavier
Reply to  KevinM
May 13, 2023 2:23 am

Yeah: reduce the quantity to avoid raising the price. Same reason they went to selling booze in “fifths” ( 4/5 instead of a whole quart)

Mr Ed
May 12, 2023 8:02 am

Looks like the GenZ’ers will be getting reacquainted with the
term ‘tit in a wringer”, and other such points of the past.

May 12, 2023 8:06 am

The Biden administration is apparently stuck on stupid, particularly concerning their attack on gas stoves.

With a gas stove, the entirety of the heat generated by burning the gas is transferred directly to the bottom of the kitchen utensil containing the food to be cooked.

In an electric stove, current is passed through the heating element (essentially a resistor) to generate heat to be transferred to the bottom of the kitchen utensil containing the food. But this electricity needs to be generated somewhere, most likely at a coal-fired or gas-fired power plant. Even a combined-cycle gas-fired power plant is only about 65% efficient, so that 35% of the energy obtained by burning the gas is lost by converting it to electricity.

For the same amount of food to be cooked, a gas stove results in less CO2 emissions than an electric stove whose power comes from a coal-fired or gas-fired power plant.

Gas stoves also are more convenient to use than electric stoves. With an electric stove, it takes time for the heating element to get hot enough to heat the food, then remains hot for some time after the power is turned off. In the case of a pot of liquid food boiling over, turning off the power does not stop the spillage, and the person needs to move the pot off the heating element, meaning that the remaining heat is wasted.

For a gas stove, heat is transferred to the food immediately after the gas is ignited. Once the food is cooked (or a pot boils over), closing the gas valve cuts off the heat supply within seconds, and very little heat is wasted.

Reply to  SteveZ56
May 12, 2023 11:21 am

With a gas stove, the entirety of the heat generated by burning the gas is transferred directly to the bottom of the kitchen utensil containing the food to be cooked.”

If not for certain other accurate observations in the same paragraph I’d criticize the obvious error I’ve quoted.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  SteveZ56
May 12, 2023 2:57 pm

Yes. For household uses that require high heat to do the job (cooking and heating) the easiest and most efficient is actually using something that produces a flame. It’s true that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Using electric resistance is anything but…

Reply to  SteveZ56
May 12, 2023 3:02 pm

Your assessment of the emissions attributable to cooking is correct IF the power comes from fossil fuel. But once those plants all shut down in 10 years or less, it will all come from wind and solar, IF you can get it. Not cooking your food at all is the most energy efficient way to eat, and what the administration has in mind for us.

May 12, 2023 8:11 am

while removing 98 percent of existing top loading machines from the market

Out of curiosity I looked up washing machines on Lowes – the cheapest top-loader is about $500 (skipping the off-brands) and the cheapest front-loader is $650. So $150 more assuming no impact on front-loader prices. At $8/year that’s almost 19 years to offset the price difference.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Tony_G
May 12, 2023 3:00 pm

Worse yet, front loading washers have very poor reliability. My mom had one that lasted about 10 years, and my husband (who spent many years as an appliance repair tech) said she was lucky it lasted that long! A main issue is leaky door gaskets, not to mention lots of other things that decrease the lifespan.

Andy Pattullo
May 12, 2023 8:13 am

The time is not far off where the Biden administration regulates the energy efficiency of baby incubators, pacemakers and ventilators. What could go wrong?
The scary part is that whatever does go wrong, it won’t make Biden or his wingnut minions blink or veer off course. Destruction and chaos aren’t bugs in their system, they are features.

John Hultquist
May 12, 2023 8:25 am

 Who is surprised that the Biden administration is doing such things?

general custer
Reply to  John Hultquist
May 12, 2023 9:34 am

Sure, the Biden regime is tyrannical in its own particularly obnoxious way, when they’re gone the EPA and other federal bureaucracies will remain, doing the same things that they are doing now, regardless of who sits atop the political throne. The difference with the past is that modern technology makes it easier for them to shrink-wrap our lives to their specifications. Since the user of water must pay for it, how is it the business of the government to restrict its use? Perhaps, in the interest of the country, purchases of ice cream and beer should be limited as well.

There seems to be little attention being paid to the current non-military invasion of the US. While most seem to feel that these invaders will be docile servants of the progressives, that would be an unlikely outcome over the long haul. Instead a neo-Bolivar will emerge directing the energies of his cultural soul mates who have little interest in the water consumption of dish washers and toilets. There are probably already enough of these Spanish-speaking tourists to have a major influence on large portions of the US and more arrive every day. The futures might be very interesting for the disposable elites.

Reply to  John Hultquist
May 12, 2023 11:26 am

I sorta expected not much to happen under the watch of a poorly maintained 80 y/o mind and his assistant that can’t be criticized for social reasons. If “now me” trusts “then me”, I have to assume we’ve gettig what the market wanted but wouldn’t say.

Reply to  KevinM
May 12, 2023 11:30 am

On further thought… while we’re here writing or reading about a subject only 1% of USA polls as the world’s most important issue, what’s really happening?

Rud Istvan
May 12, 2023 8:53 am

My favorite example of this idiocy was the EU limiting the wattage on electric tea kettles. Which simply meant the kettle took longer to boil the water in it. The amount of electricity needed to boil water is immutable physics not subject to EU decree.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 12, 2023 11:47 am

From previous comments I’ve judged RI is probably smarter than me, but… “The amount of electricity needed to boil water is immutable physics”

Somewhere in the physics equation there will be a term between zero and one representing efficiency. A calculation without the efficiency term will establish the minimum possible amount of electricity needed, aka maximum efficiency, which can never be attained in the real world. IF the number from the ideal solution were used _as_a_reference_ for setting the tea kettle wattage limit, then market forces, aka people who like tea, would push tea kettle manufacturers to max out the efficiency of the design. Efficiency could never hit 1.0, aka 100%, but it could improve.
The critical step would have been establishing a reasonable wattage limit.

Right at this moment in USA, congress is executing a “real vs ideal tea kettle efficiency trial” on ICE automobile efficiency. I often ruffle about senior citizens making the rules because their worldviews started contracting too many decades ago – but in this case I trust them better than my own generation. My first passenger car got 12 mpg and I had no basis for thinking the design could get “better”. The 30mpg my current passenger car self-reports would have been unthinkable. Simultaneously it is supposed to be safer to smash into a guardrail at 100 mph. (Thankfully I have not safety tested either vehicle myself.) Thus, my generation’s thinking is compromised by experience that indicates that things can keep getting more efficient without spending enough thought on how close E must get to ideal.

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Reply to  KevinM
May 12, 2023 12:09 pm

I’ve written too many words today so this will be the last… I wonder whether the “free efficiency gains” delusion limits my generation’s effectiveness? Having seen automobile mpg double every decade, then Moore’s law hold for “too long”, then video games, then tv screens, then computers, then cell phones, then AI… maybe my cohort is conditioned to think the world just continuously self-improves “for free”.
The medical and commercial products “my people” have come up with are astounding but “for free” is not a fitting adjective.

David Pentland
Reply to  KevinM
May 12, 2023 6:17 pm

An electric heating element is 100% efficient at converting electrical energy to heat, whatever the wattage.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 12, 2023 2:40 pm

Rud, you need to get one of them thar new fangled tea kettles with the heating element in the lid. Downwelling IR can boil oceans, so a couple of pints of fresh water only needs about 2 watts..

May 12, 2023 9:10 am

Global Warming alert….

“”Met Office hot weather forecast: Britons to bask in glorious 20C sunshine blitz””

How will we ever get through it?

John Oliver
May 12, 2023 9:26 am

Well then I am glad I kept the 1962 portable dishwasher my Dad bought my Mom way back. I remember crawling on top of it in the drying mode and curling up for a nap as a young child. latter I was taught to operate it as part of my set of chores rotated with my sister and brother. Can’t wait to hook it up and see if it still works!

John Oliver
Reply to  John Oliver
May 12, 2023 9:46 am

unlike “ modern “ gaskets all the rubber parts and seals looked to be in remarkably good condition.

May 12, 2023 10:00 am

Next it will be hand wash only for dishes and clothes and water/person/household will be limited. The Marxists are living their dream being able to control every aspect of your life in the name of equity and wealth redistribution. They won’t be satisfied until everyone in the world is living at the same poverty level.

John Oliver
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
May 12, 2023 10:04 am

Yes I know this getting serious, I am trying to keep my moral up with sentimental remembrances.

Peta of Newark
May 12, 2023 10:09 am

Maybe this should have gone into the Open Thread – but it applies almost every story we see/read on here:

Quote:Just as viruses or malware infect a computer and program it to self-destruct, wetiko programs the human biocomputer to think and behave in self-destructive ways. Covertly operating through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, wetiko renders people oblivious to their own madness, compelling them to act against their own best interests.
People under its thrall can, like someone in the throes of an addiction or in a state of trauma, unwittingly create the very problem they are trying to resolve, clinging desperately to the thing that is torturing and destroying them.

wetiko it’s been known about for a very long time, especially affecting inhabitants of North America……

aka: Wendigo

edit to add:
Two guys on Zoom chatting about it..
at my Dropbox

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John Oliver
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 12, 2023 12:10 pm

There was a famous racing sailing yacht named Wendigo. If you know any thing about boats or ever owned a more significant one you understand what a perfect name that is.

John Oliver
Reply to  John Oliver
May 12, 2023 12:12 pm

But I have enjoyed being “ consumed” by some of my boats.

May 12, 2023 10:46 am

Since in the Biden administration competence is a disqualifying attribute, we are doomed by design. “The fruits of incompetence are very bitter.”

May 12, 2023 10:52 am

One survey of interest is total real efficiency change based on how often the operation will be repeated twice. Net efficiency results could go either way.

Another survey of interest is how many people still use non-laundry appliances. Ovens seem to have become a spectator sport for TV.

Both results might be skewed by political leaning.

Gregg Eshelman
May 12, 2023 11:04 am

Low flow showers that take three times as long to rinse the shampoo and soap off your hair and body.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
May 12, 2023 3:09 pm

Luckily with them, you can just take the flow arrestor out before installing it. Not sure what one could do about pokey, poorly performing appliances….

May 12, 2023 11:10 am

EPA is bat—— crazy!

Our current clothes washer says annual energy use costs $10US/yr if you use a gas water heater, $17/yr if you use an electric water heater (btw, that alone provides a good comparison of gas vs electric efficiency using EPA’s own data). However, we always wash in cold water.

It is estimated that 85-90% of the energy used by a clothes washer is water heating. So that means our washer costs us about $1/yr to operate, or 8 cents/month!!!! If it were any more efficient, it would be feeding energy into the grid to operate!

This also says that rather than demand higher efficiency washers, EPA should require all home water heaters to be gas-fired for a 70% improvement in efficiency.

More Soylent Green!
May 12, 2023 11:24 am

Isn’t “lower performance” an apt description for what we should expect from now on? Lower performance from the economy, lower performance from our military, lower performance for our savings and retirement accounts. Lower performance from our government and our schools. The list just goes on an on.

Welcome to the new normal!

Remember, in the future, you won’t be able to afford to own anything.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
May 12, 2023 12:14 pm

” lower performance for our savings and retirement accounts”
The 1950-2000 basis period usually used for predicting market return will not be good for Wall St if it gets updated for millennials – or maybe AI will be the next Internet. The timing is going to shred someone’s generation, and I hope it isn’t mine.

Edit: So it will not be updated?

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Reply to  More Soylent Green!
May 12, 2023 5:44 pm

Just get used to it… didn’t obama say something like that.

May 12, 2023 12:03 pm

Not green, but rather Green as in blight, as in environmental arbitrage, as in renewable greenbacks.

May 12, 2023 12:11 pm

A savvy manufacturer offers a product that has settings that meet EPA Energy Star requirements, but it also offers user preference settings that clearly do not meet the EPA standard. On our clothes washer and dishwasher, the efficiency settings do not perform well, so we NEVER use them. We set the appliances so that they function as intended (i.e., get clothes or dishes clean in a single wash cycle). Unfortunately for the dishwasher, that requires over 3 hours for a full load to come out clean, sanitized and dry!

Reply to  pflashgordon
May 12, 2023 12:24 pm

At the margin, can long laundry cycle times be related to increased clothing sales? i.e. who cares whether my automated wash process takes a whole day IF I have an extra day’s clothes in the closet?

Last edited 19 days ago by KevinM
May 12, 2023 1:16 pm

Good perceptions.

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 12, 2023 1:43 pm

Coming to a place near you: “Les Imbeciles”.

A musical about the US government in its last days before the revolution.

Tom in Florida
May 12, 2023 3:12 pm

I sell appliances for a family owned store in Englewood FL. We sell new appliances and service what we sell.
Here are a couple of hints for top load washers.
Never use the “sensor” setting. Most now have a “deep fill” option. If it doesn’t don’t buy it.
Set the washer on “deep fill” ( or a like setting)
Set the washer on “heavy” soil.
Set the washer on “bulky sheets/blanket” mode.
Set the rinse on “deep rinse”.
Skip the liquid fabric softener, use Borax as an additive instead. If you do use fabric softner in the washer, make sure you clean your washer with AFFRESH once a month.
Do not buy a washer with an impeller, they don’t work as well. Buy one with an agitator no matter what the sales person tells you.
Only buy washers with a stainless steel wash basket.
DO NOT wash king or queen comforters in a top load washer, no matter what the literature says.
Do not overload the washer. The clothes will not spin out as well causing you more drying time, which is where most of your energy is spent.
Speed Queens are small and expenseive, 3.2 cuft wash baskets and can be double the price of a very good GE or Maytag. Speaking of Maytag, they are made by Whirlpool but carry a better warranty on the motor and wash basket than the like Whirlpool model.
Do you really need a washer with WiFi that emails you when it is done?

Last edited 19 days ago by Tom in Florida
May 12, 2023 4:50 pm

The EPA keeps churning out one Vietnamese Solution after another. To wit: “We had to destroy the industry in order to save it.”

In the meantime the peasants suffer.

May 12, 2023 7:40 pm

I’ll keep beating this drum until it gets fixed. Republicans can fix this by overhauling or repealing and replacing the regressive 1946 Administrative Procedure Act passed by the “progressive” Democrats that stupidly gave Executive Branch agencies rule-making authority in addition to enforcement authority, contrary to the Founders’ fundamental principle of separating government’s powers.

In Article I of the Constitution, all lawmaking is done by Congress where our elected representatives debate and vote. It was designed to make lawmaking a deliberative process that reflects the will of the majority of the electorate, slowing it down for thoughtful debate and impeding the rash whims of the people and the ruling class that we elect. Giving unelected bureaucrats power to make law (regulations) and enforce it is an extraordinarily bad, antidemocratic idea which always results in lawmaking by a small minority, a ruling class that is deaf to the electorate, and an unwanted encroachment on our liberties, which has been demonstrated numerous times by our government bureaucracy over nearly 80 years. We are essentially a one-party Banana Republic now as the bureaucracy in Washington has become overwhelmingly Democrat and authoritarian since 1946. The House Republicans can at least attempt to fix this (sneak it into a massive “omnibus” spending bill that no one has read like the Democrats like to do) and persuade the voters to elect a Republican Senate and President in 2024 that will get this most important task done to restore democracy.

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Doug Huffman
May 13, 2023 4:32 am

I bought my DW a decade ago, used for $25, overhauled it and run it once per day. I have repaired it three times. Do a lactic acid flush about monthly. It works fine and will for as long as I can find or make parts.

Vacuum cleaner – my “hoover” – Was paid for my the Oh-Bummer stimulus check that quite matched the cost of a KIRBY Avalir II complete kit.

Stove is propane, with a small stock of spare parts, particularly the oven igniter.

Laundry washer is unfortunately not repairable for the numerous computerized functions. But it is a reliable brand and expensive.

Laundry dryer is a simple machine, bought well used, repaired many times. I may plant a ‘clothes line’ again for the wonderful smell of fresh air. I live in Lake Michigan.

Currently my most heavily used appliances are my sous vide immersion heater and the Searzall on a Bernzomatic TS8000 propane torch. Recently I learned how to refill the 1# bottle from a 20# jug.

May 13, 2023 6:51 pm

I am quite familiar with our 1949 Mark I AI enhanced auto dishwasher.
Runs either partially empty or fully loaded, just a tad slower though…

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