From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
Watch JHB skewer the clown from XR:
Note how Stott avoids answering every pertinent question, such as what will happen if we just abandon fossil fuels.
Fortunately JHB refuses to accept his attempts to change the subject and keeps pressing.
Stott was an Olympic rower apparently, and JHB finishes with one of her barbs:
“I think you should have stuck to canoeing, personally.”
What can you say?
A moron
Bugs said it better:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ed4945aa-3df7-4b10-8735-2674027605c5
Speaking of which, Michael Mann has a terrible understanding of statistics, but I guess we knew that. I was going to link a YouTube video from Tony Heller but it’s been removed.
So the problem is cured by using insulation made from oil (polyurethane boards)?
The man is delusional or of very low intelligence or both.
“We need to work on more solutions”, does he think I (and all my colleagues) would not be inventing such things, as this would make us a lot of money? The problem is very difficult and vastly expensive whatever we do, and it isn’t required anyway.
He is showing exactly what the left always to do, they believe in dictatorship, with them in charge.
I agree with Julia, the man should stick to canoeing! Of course they are usually made from polyester resin glass fibre, from oil. Dead in the water then!
He could always build himself a coracle made from animal skins and tree branches.
NO !! He can’t use animal products !!!
so it’s a hollow log cut with stone tools ( no oils = no steel )
Steel is made with coal, long before oil was drilled by the Samurai and Damascus blacksmiths
Oh wait…
Only with biocharcoal
“long before oil was drilled by the Samurai and Damascus blacksmiths”
The Damascus blacksmiths might have found oil, but I doubt the Samurai ones had much luck.
If we’re looking for natural insulation, the bark of the cork tree is pretty good. Regranulated and formed into boards, it runs about the same as fiberglass and not far from styrofoam. Might not be enough for all the masonry houses in England, so we should start a tree planting program to plan for a brighter tomorrow.
But if the climate is warming, then we wouldn’t need all that insulation. Confusing. So much to know, so little to know it with.
Ok wise guy:
Steel is made with coal, already by the Samurai and Damascus blacksmiths, long before oil was drilled
Before coal, steel was made using charcoal. This is most of the reason that Europe’s forests had largely disappeared by the 17th century. Burned down by the charcoal burners.
One English king, Edward I, tried to outlaw coal because of the smoke and stench. The result was immediate urban food shortage as early 14th century cities were unable to meet their daily heating and baking needs because of an inability to find or transport enough wood. As a result, the ban was dropped almost immediately.
“Regranulated and formed onto boards” sounds like lots of machinery, electric power reliably supplied, and perhaps heat, pressure and adhesives.
Or, once again, fossil fuels, fossil fuels, fossil fuels…
Provided that the log fell to the ground by natural processes!
Oh, no, strike that! Removing hollow fallen logs from the forest floor would annihilate a rare endangered species of deadly poisonous insect.
Swimming may be acceptable. We shall take that under advisement and get back to you …possibly.
Animal skins? Remember who you’re dealing with; utter loonies who will happily use modern outdoors clothing, equipment etc derived from oil while decrying the obvious alternatives that will have to be used with a fossil fuel ban in place.
The problem is very difficult and vastly expensive whatever we do, and it isn’t required
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Please stop saying there’s a problem. Yes I’m a petty nitpicker over this, but we are allowing the left to set the stage.
The bigger problem is these idiots who keep yammering there is a problem.
Not the bigger problem. THE (only) problem.
“Problem” is a bald-faced lie. Warming w/CO2 makes things BETTER.
She should have asked him for his guitar hanging on the wall behind him. It was crafted with the benefit of fossil fuels.
It might be his way of storing winter fuel…as a balls out eco cultist drowning in his own ignorance he is bound to have a wood burner that he probably denies the use of to others.
Or aluminum! More fossil fuels!
These poor deluded people. And now, deluded enough to overturn democracy. Their lack of knowledge is frightening. 30,000 morons on the loose in London does not bode well…
I agree with you, John, about 30,000 morons being loose anywhere, but the problem of “Their lack of knowledge…” also includes incorporating a lot of false propaganda into their belief system. Yesterday I was watching CNN while eating lunch (I know, my bad…) and CNN stated that “sea level is at record levels”. Sea Level has 8 meters to go to match this inter-glacial age we live in, and 40 meters to go to match historic levels. The whole CAGW theme has devolved into a bizarre religion, closely resembling Marxism.
Never do that again, young man, you could’ve choked!
Record sea levels? – not at San Clemente island.
On any given day there must be more than 30,000 morons loose in London. Look at the people you have voted into Parliament. How can that be possible without millions upon millions of moron voters?
The puppet show you call Parliament. Does it really matter who you vote for ? Does it change anything ? Are they not on the pay list of the same wizards behind the curtain ?
Arrogant prick
Tut tut Mister Guy-Johnson!
Such deplorable lack of decorum, what? Harrumph!
Ut’s spilled “errogant pruck”
-Jacinda
Wizard of Id to the rescue:
‘Poor deluded people’? Well, they are deluded; we are being made poor.
This protest is government funded. If the lack of knowledge is so frightening it is because of an education system payed for by taxpayers through our puppet government. They created the Climate Jugend and Green Shirts to install the Big Brother society.
They claim 30,000. Watch how many actually show up. Of course that won’t be reported accurately
200000 signed up to their looney call for demonstrators.. Even they knew most were just virtue signalling prats
Brilliant interviewer. My only issue is calling in calling petroleum “fossil fuel”. Hydrocarbons as a breakdown of dinosaur remains is a hypothesis, not a fact. There is the issue that hydrocarbons are abiotic, not biotic. Hydrocarbons are found on Saturn’s moon Titan. NASA doesn’t call them fossil fuels when they are found there.
They come out of the sun.
El Sol will contain all the things that planets are made of and those things will be constantly ‘boiling off’ via/in/comprising the Solar Wind and in ionized form.
Because Carbon is so very easy to make inside suns and supernovae, there will be incalculable amounts inside El Sol
Once away from the heat of Sol, what those ions get up to is their own business and anybody’s guess.
If some get together to make Methane (a hydrocarbon) that’s perfectly feasible and entirely possible. Just try stopping them.
We wont notice here on Earth as it’s to warm here but out past Saturn things are cold enough for Methane to condense.
Lots of water comes off Sol and is why it’s found on the Moon and even on Mercury
Ultimately of course why Comets = Icy Snowballs
Similarly CO2, even Mars is cold enough to condense any passing Sol-generated CO2 but not Methane.
Earth will be soon unless we figure out what’s really going on
haha, had you fooled.
Earth will roast because the atmosphere is a device that cools the surface – it does not make it warmer than it would be without an atmosphere.
Hence why and as every schoolkid know, lunchtime temperature on The Moon is in excess of 100 Celsius
It would be here too on Earth if the atmosphere wasn’t here. And liquid water
But as Mars discovered 3+Billion years ago, if the atmosphere goes, so does the water
Complete and utter bollocks.
Carbon is not “easy” for the sun to make. As the elements get larger, they get harder to make. The more protons a nucleus contains, the more energy it takes to force two of them together in order to get fusion. As the sun ages, pressures and densities in the core increase, only then do the progressively heavier elements get created. Basic physics.
Oxygen, having even more protons than does carbon is much harder to make.
At present our sun is still fusing hydrogen into helium. And while it is statistically possible for the sun , at this stage in it’s evolution, to create heavier elements, it is so unlikely as to verge on the impossible.
While it is true that the lack of an atmosphere causes the surface of the moon to be hotter than the surface of the earth, it is not because the atmosphere cools, it is because the atmosphere reflects much of the energy before it can reach the surface. The fact is that atmosphere’s retard cooling.
If your theory was accurate, the surface of the moon would be slow to cool once it was no longer facing the sun. The fact is the surface of the moon cools much, much more rapidly than does the surface of the earth, once night falls.
Methane condenses at a lower temperature than CO2 does.
Er no, hydrocarbons are a breakdown of either vegetation (coal) , or very small creatures. (Crude oil originates from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil.)
Hydrocarbons van be either abiotic or biotic. On earth the vast majority are biotic.
Try thinking in less Boolean terms. Or you will end up believing in Climate Change…
Ask Thomas Gold for more informations.
As he has only been decomposing for about 19 years, it’s unlikely that he has produced any fossil fuels as yet. Give it another few million years.
So are you agreeing that CH4 (methane) is not a fossil fuel?
That’s not what he wrote.
The theory that fossil fuels are of abiotic origin has been well and thoroughly refuted for decades.
That CH4 exists in the cosmos is not evidence that this is the origin of natural gas on this planet.
1) Our planet was way to hot during it’s formation for CH4 to have survived the formation.
2) CH4 is light, so it would have floated to the top of the planet while it was molten. There is simply no way for methane to have been pulled down to and stored in the mantle or core.
3) The only places where fossil fuels have ever been found are places where the biotic origin theories have predicted it would be found.
Imho, JHB falls into the same trap as other media celebrity presenters when they “interview” the likes of Stott and other rabidly anti human eco warriors ( which they emphatically and very self evidently are).
Farage is the same; even Mark Steyn on occasion.
By engaging with Stott – more like trying to “stand up” against a verbal hurricane very reminiscent of the Fougasse cartoon – she “loses” the argument from the off. She attempted to get him to justify the actions of these fools – imho a fool’s game in itself and thereby leaves the goal unattended; by omission, she tacitly accepts that the reason FOR the “actions” is not at issue…….wrong.
Why did she not start by asking him too set out why CO2 is a pollutant, and how the world is going to burn up very shortly thereafter?
I don’t need to didactically state the blindingly bleeding’ obvious and very inconvenient facts – eg CO2 greening the planet/Holocene era/low CO2 ppm level/capacity to absorb heat as light/effects of the Sun/how little “climate’ is understood/ Hockey Stick and other lies about official data -, “you” knowledgable types know far better than me, but I scream at the TV for someone to forensically skewer these “entitled commissars of fiction” live on TV and/or the internet so that their mendacity can be exposed. It might not persuade everyone, but allowing these liars their version of the oxygen of publicity without the most robust presentation of fact – such as 99.997% of scientists did NOT agree about AGW/CC, or the 31000 scientists who signed the Oregon Declaration (including Teller FFS), is not perhaps the way to go? Imho, of course and you are free to disagree while you can….
Why did she not start by asking him too set out why CO2 is a pollutant, and how the world is going to burn up very shortly thereafter?
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Bingo, CO2 is not a problem. A warmer world is not a problem.
Exactly – it is not but it would have been educational to understand how he and his cultist ilk are using partial information to form a complete thesis….he would stand no chance in the face of the “whole” – and I do not see anyone taking a very robust position with these brainwashed fools ( or Marxist commissars if you like..)
Q. “How much CO2 is in the sky?”
A. “A lot!”
Q. “How do you know this, can you be more specific?”.
A. “Tons and tons of it to be precise!”
Q. “And how much of your ‘tons and tons’ of CO2′ is man-made?”
A. “Most of it!”
Q. “Ok, let’s try another way. 78.084% of the atmosphere is Nitrogen. True or False?”
A. “False!”
You are absolutely right. Skeptics today are not pushing the full science. They are letting the alarmists win the science battle without even trying.
The full science of CO2 does not support any significant warming from burning fossil fuels. Even WUWT never tries to promote the cooling side of CO2 increases. There are millions of people out there who are skeptical but no one is providing them the tools they need to counter the warming half truth.
Just think of how this interview might have gone if Julia starts discussing how a more complete version of the science removes any warming from CO2 increases. Of course, the alarmist would deny it and then she could have called him a “denier” and taken the discussion to another place.
Global warming/climate change needs to be positioned as a half truth. We need to be asking why the supporting scientists are hiding the full truth. Put them on the defensive.
Ask him why we live in an Ice Age right now. Luckily for us in a warmer interglacial moment but still much colder than the 200 million years before the Ice Age started some 3 million years ago.
These people know nothing about the world they wish for. “Electrify everything” they say.. “build more windmills”, without any thought about where the materials come from. What type of battery is required to move this little piece of mining machinery?
You could pack a small modular reactor in that.
And the mining of the uranium or other nuclear “fuel” would still be done by some fossil fuel powered equipment.
And even IF we converted all such mining equipment to SMR power, it would still require coal fires to produce the metal it’s made of.
And smaller equipment would not be practical for SMR power. (Of course it would be cool if it was, I always thought a miniature reactor powered vehicle would be awesome – no refueling required for years!)
a live demonstration of Caterpillar’s prototype battery truck on a seven-kilometer (4.3-mile) course.
(390 t gross) Fully loaded to its rated capacity (227 t) , the truck achieved a top speed of 60 km/h (37.3 mph). The loaded truck traveled one kilometer (0.62 mile) up a 10% grade at 12 km/h (7.5 mph). The truck also performed a one kilometer (0.62 mile) run on a 10% downhill grade, capturing the energy that would normally be lost to heat and regenerating that energy to the battery.
Upon completing the entire run, the truck maintained enough battery energy to perform additional complete cycles.
But the electric 793 is not the manufacturer’s first heavy-duty dump truck with electric drive: at the end of August, Caterpillar had signed an agreement with mining group BHP to electrify BHP’s entire fleet of trucks at the Escondida copper mine in Chile. The Caterpillar 798 AC, a different model to the one now being demonstrated, will be used. The 798 AC has a gross output of 2,610 kW and a rated payload of 372 tonnes.
And er, what was the charger like? Considering where these devises are deployed, and the number in use, where would they get the electricity from?
JCB, have researched the technology, they built a small backhoe, which ran for two hours, then spent the rest of the day being charged up, using a diesel generator.
So, they’ve chosen to go down the hydrogen route.
Hmmm….manufacturing green hydrogen by electrolysis…does it make sense to use electricity to make hydrogen when you could just use the electricity right at the get-go ? Hmmm….So, in reality, hydrogen is an energy storage medium performing the same function as batteries. And batteries are far less costly than a cylinder of hydrogen.
Good points. But, using the electricity directly, requires a supply grid, and how many mining sites are there? And of course the transmissions losses. That’s the beauty of diesel, high energy density, and can be transported to remote regions where it is required.
As for hydrogen v battery, it’s about energy density, and hydrogen is about 150 times more than lithium. Less weight
Whether you are using diesel to charge a battery, or using diesel to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, you are still using diesel.
Better to just put the diesel into the truck and skip all the unnecessary steps.
Electric 793:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTH7banEBs
Check out the shot of the chargers 15 secs in.. what are they powered by? Missing from your quote:
Upon completing the entire run, the truck maintained enough battery charge to allow additional cycles, although it was unclear how many until it needed recharging.
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Electric drive.. in other words, the wheels are driven by electric motors. The power is produced by Caterpillar’s C175-16 diesel engine:
Product Specifications for 798 AC Engine
Gross Power – SAE J19952610 kW
Engine Model Cat® C175-16
Net Power – SAE J13492539 kW
Optional Gross Power – SAE J19952312 kW
Rated Speed1800 r/min
Emissions Rating Fuel Optimized
Bore175 mm
Stroke220 mm
Displacement85 l
Note (1) Net Power advertised is the power available at the flywheel when the engine is equipped with air intake system, exhaust system, and alternator.
Note (2) U.S. EPA Tier 4 Final / EU Stage V available for applicable markets.
Note (3) Additional fuel optimized selectable power ratings: 2312 kW / 3,100 hp
Electric drive has been used for heavy earthmoving equipment since at least the 1950s.
It’s interesting that Caterpillar is putting considerable R&D into battery-electric.
The demonstration may not represent real-world usage, where the trucks climb out of the pit loaded and descend empty.
A lot of these heavy mine trucks are used without drivers in mines in Australia Komatsu from Japan have supplied a lot and they work very well .
They are computer controlled moving ore from mine face to production facility.
The Electric Fanboys/girls are so gullible. This is for all practical purposes a diesel–electric locomotive, the diesel engine drives an electrical DC generator and a probably small lead acid type “battery” acts as a rectifier for the AC electric motors at the drive wheels. To do anything else would be prohibitively expensive and dangerous. You are not going to have a 10,000 lb lithium batteries powering trucks in a copper mine in the wilds of Chile.
These machines work continuously apart from servicing stops. A deep battery charge every day. I would not like to bid a contract on that basis.
More likely 3 or 4 times a day.
It was able to do several complete circuits of a short test track.
Whoop dee doo.
Let me know when it can go 24/7 for several months with just 10 to 15 minutes to recharge 2 or 3 times a day.
That’s what the real trucks are capable of.
“What type of battery is required to move this little piece of mining machinery?”
Answer, and FBO! 🥺
On a serious note, yup, thinking like an engineer 👍
Forget batteries, that probably needs…
https://en.cap3000.com/-/media/cap3000/images/enseignes/logos/diesel-logo-344×193.ashx
And with out any thought on how this electricity should go from A to B. In Europe, the grid needs a major overhaul to transport it. In the Netherlands, some parts of the country are not allowed to hook any new businesses to the (overloaded) grid.
She also did another one.
https://youtu.be/JZGqd8MaAVs
This guy was an arrogant pratt (old school spelling 😊). He denied that ruinables require special rare earth elements, and when Julia said you need coal to produce steel, he told her she was wrong, and that it could be made with hydrogen.
He typifies the complete ignorance of these activists movements.
They claim, they want to save the planet, but following their strategy, would have the exact opposite effect.
This pillock is one Dale Vince, a charlatan that has made a fortune by duping the gullible into believing that the country can be powered by windmills.
Married to the imaginatively named Gaia Vince too 🙂
Their progeny doubtless will be named Con……
Well steel can be made from hydrogen and Hybrit in Sweden have developed a reduction process where the hydrogen is produced from water using unreliable energy and then used to make sponge iron.
Problem is they have only produced 100 tonnes of steel by this process but are scaling up to 1m tonnes sometime in the future.
Further problem is the world uses over 1800m tonnes (Mt) of steel each year. Long,long,long way to go before coking coal will be replaced in steel production!
Interesting, never heard of the term “sponge iron”. What puzzles me, is where they can get the carbon from, for the steel itself.
Also called ‘bloom iron’ from the furnace, called a bloomery.
Sponge/bloom iron was beaten with heavy hammers and folded over to remove the slag, carbon, carbide, & weld the iron together creating wrought iron.
tough, malleable, ductile, corrosion resistant & easily forge welded.
One early way to add carbon to ‘sponge’ changing it to steel, was the ‘cementation process’ giving blister steel.
That was superseded in 1750s with Benjamin Huntsman’s ‘Crucible Cast Steel’
Here’s a basic history time/process line – https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel/Bessemer-steel
Thanks for that, I’ll go and update myself 😊
And the unreliable energy is produced by equipment whose materials and manufacture are entirely sourced by using…fossil fuels.
Another tail-chasing exercise.
Pity we don’t have more JHBs in media in the US.
I wish she had asked Stott from whom he and his pals get their funding. The resultant back-peddling and windmilling could have charged an EV.
Funded by those wizards behind the curtain who also pay the puppet politicians and the fake press.
He is on a mission….a mission from the Climate Gods to save the planet….may the real God save us from these zealots.
The depth of ignorance within the Climate Alarmists knows no limit.
Sadly ignorance is no barrier to advancement in this woke fixated world. Look no further than who is head of the European Central Bank, the organisation that supposedly looks after the €Euro policies. No other than an ex Olympian Christine La Garde. She was an expert at synchronised swimming representing France back in her younger days. She has been found guilty of Fraud by French courts during her time as a French Finance Minister yet there she is.
With that as the example to follow, this canoeist from London 2012 can look forward to becoming PM in the upcoming ‘Peoples’ assembly.
God help the world, because that crazy won’t nor will any of his fellow Alarmists.
While he uses and benefits from fossil fuels every day, the hypocrite! He has a head shaped like a peanut. Fish are likely not aware of the water around them, just as he is not aware that EVEYTHING he does and has is FF, what a leftist in denial.
I have been waiting anxiously for them to describe how aviation would function without hydrocarbons. Any ideas?
Oh I’m sure they’ll preach Hydrogen. And of course ignore how the Hydrogen is produced. And of course also ignore the relative lack of energy density compared with jet fuel and the propensity of Hydrogen to leak out of any containment vessel.
Solzhenitsyn wryly wrote in The Gulag Archipelago:
“…the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.”
Though a few of ER believe their mantra, the rest only need the slightest reason to act out the evil side of their heart.
I have no problem with people having delusional beliefs. However, when they try to force them on other people that is when the authorities need to crack down hard. Otherwise, they will get bolder and bolder.
Sadly, I don’t see any minimal punishment being delivered. People are going to die and no punishment will be handed out.
The authorities are in the same band wagon.
Delusional beliefs and people dying – sounds like the advertising slogan of the last 3 years…
Take heart, Richard. I guess you haven’t seen this from The Daily Sceptic today:
Just Stop Oil Protesters Who Closed Dartford Crossing for 40 Hours Jailed for Over Two Years
This is why The Manhattan Contrarian has some suggestions on how to actually figure costs https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2023-3-18-a-proposal-for-exposing-the-true-costs-of-getting-electricity-from-wind-and-sun .
It is being widely predicted that a Labour government will replace the Tory government in 2025 in a massive landslide victory for Labour.
Presuming that the new Labour government plans to accelerate the UK’s transition into Net Zero, how far and how fast will the new government move in attempting to speed up the transition?
Does it matter puppet Labour or puppet Tory ?
The Killing Fields (1984) soon in a place near you.
This guy sounds like a calmer AOC.
JHB is one of many no-nonsense
spokespeople who tower over numb-minded néomarxiste ideologues. Unfortunately, the listeners are few and probably most of them are already on side. Also, democratically the decks have been stacked against leaders who see the need for a huge reversal of policies to save people, the economy, education and to undo diabolical social engineering that has fast-tracked the West to a sea of pain, misery and worse.
Le Pen scared the establishment with 41% of the votes cast and 3 million voters destroyed their ballots in protest against Macron. As everything is certain to worsen for French citizens during the next 4 years, Le Pen looks good to win the next election.
UK politics is pretty much as bad as it can get for its citizens. Contending parties are all on the same totalitarian page, right to left. Things will not improve there until the rest of Europe collapses and the US rights itself in the next couple of years.
Live long and prosper, Julia Hartley Brewer.
When I take time to patiently listen to a climate activist my aim is to read, as best I can, what’s going through their mind–their mental evasion from the real world.
When you try to nail them on a reality, like the collapse of our way of life without fossil fuels, they substitute an idealization of reality, a science fiction version of reality. The thought process seems to be, ‘if only we try hard enough’ Green Energy will replace fossil fuel. That is, a civilization that can send people into outer space, that can invent mobile phones, can surely invent Green Energy. It’s a naive faith in futuristic progress. It’s banking on a windfall you haven’t earned. There is a saying, “counting your chickens before they hatch.”
It is too painful to watch that jackass, I don’t know how she put up with him.
If she failed to kill any of them she failed.
Neither of them used the other “F” word when it comes to electricity generation.
I’m not with you on this one….Badgering is not interviewing
Badgering?! Every one of her questions is willfully ignored as the Eco-Nazi activist attempts to use his appearance to further push the propaganda.
Sitting there letting these deluded idiots twaddle on isn’t “interving” either.
We need to build more infrastructure to deal with this crises.
Lampposts.
We need at least 1 lamppost every hundred meters, and give these extinction rebellion activists more visibility.
‘The government doesn’t listen’. Absolutely. They’re going ahead with Net Zero. Long ago, Obama predicted today’s chaos. Under his plans, he said, electricity would rise in price. None of his supporters quote this today. Surely some mistake?
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“Note how Stott avoids answering every pertinent question, such as what will happen if we just abandon fossil fuels.”
All these spokespeople for extremist organisations go on television to put across what they believe. They don’t go on television to answer questions they find difficult to answer. So it is not in the least surprising that this fellow did not give a proper answer to any of the questions he was asked. The sooner television presenters wise up to the tactics of these people the better. If they want answers to their questions, don’t invite people from extremist organisations onto their programmes. But having said that, he did a very good job of doing what he intended to do. He just ignored the questions he was asked and got on with presenting the views of the people he represents. A masterclass in using the media for your own purposes.
TV presenters like Julia Hartley-Brewer have to got to get a lot cleverer in framing the questions they ask people who represent extremist organisations. Asking what we would do without fossil fuels is a waste of time. Of course they are not going to answer a question like that. It’s just a gift for them to start talking about something else. How about asking them how they are going to get to a COP in Australia when fossil fuels have been phased out. Or ask them about the ingredients of the glue they use to stick themselves to whatever. And if they say they use natural glues, ask them how they were tested.
https://www.treehugger.com/what-glue-made-4847390