Record March Cold Over the Western U.S. and Northern Plains

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Cliff Mass

Record March Cold Over the Western U.S. and Northern Plains

 This past March brought record cold to a vast swath of the U.S., including the West Coast and the northern Plains.  

Here in Washington State, the frigid conditions even continued into April, with snow showers falling to sea-level and serious snow on some of the hilltops near Seattle (see the snowfall at 1100 ft in Bellevue on Sunday night).  April?

April 2. Bellevue, Washington at 1100 ft. Courtesy Dr. Peter Benda


Satellites can observe atmospheric temperatures from space.   The lower-atmosphere temperatures for March from such satellite (see below) indicate that the coldest temperature anomalies (differences from normal) on the planet occurred in a swath from the West Coast to the upper plains.

Portions of eastern Oregon had had their coldest March in history, as shown by the March temperatures at Burns, Oregon over the past 50 years.   I mean no year was even close to March 2023.


 A NOAA temperature analysis that presents the differences from normal of temperatures around 10,000 ft (700 hPa pressure) for March is shown below. 

Stunning.  The temperatures were HUGELY below normal over the western portion of North America, but above normal over the southeast.  This produced a very anomalous change in temperature (temperature gradient) over the middle of the nation.

Big horizontal temperature changes are associated with strong jet stream winds in the upper troposphere.  So it is not surprising the jet-stream level (~30,000 ft, 250 hPa pressure) winds were much above normal in the area with anomalously large horizontal temperature changes (see below).

Red, orange, and yellow colors show where winds are much stronger than normal, with the most anomalous jet stream winds from California to Colorado.

The large temperature gradients and strong upper winds have been favorable for the strong thunderstorms (and severe weather) over the eastern portion of the U.S.

This historically cold March weather in the west has been a godsend in one way:  it slows the melting of the massive snowpack in California. 

A rapid warm-up would be very dangerous, leading to serious flooding.

The weather for the next 15 days?   

You guessed it, colder than normal in the West (see forecast temperature anomalies below).  Blue and green colors indicate substantially below-normal temperatures.

My advice: don’t think about buying tomato plants in April.

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JamesB_684
April 4, 2023 6:05 pm

Climate Change! Brrr….

Krishna Gans
Reply to  JamesB_684
April 5, 2023 3:09 am

CC allone isn’t about colder or warmer, it’s open to all directions.

KevinM
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 5, 2023 9:34 am

Those who notice word definitions changing to fit sentiments also notice arguments changing to fit situations.

Last edited 2 months ago by KevinM
rah
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 6, 2023 1:41 am

“CC allone isn’t about colder or warmer, it’s open to all directions.”

And thus is not a valid hypothesis since it can’t be falsified. But there are many other things we’ve been told it’s about that have failed to happen. A few of 10s of 1,000s of examples:

It’s about catastrophic SLR. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about more intense hurricanes. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about increased deaths due to severe weather. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about increased numbers and intensity of tornadoes. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about permanent droughts in the US SW. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about an ice free Arctic. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about increased wild fires. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about the children of England not knowing what snow is. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about the West Side Hwy being under water. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about Polar Bears going extinct. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about the GBR being bleached into oblivion. NOT HAPPENING!

It’s about lowering atmospheric CO2. NOT HAPPENING!

etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Walter
April 4, 2023 6:06 pm

Can confirm. Salt Lake City had its snowiest and coldest March since the late 1970s. This was covered nowhere in the media. Instead they focus on the only mildly warm February and January in the East Coast and herald it as climate change. We need someone to hack Michael Mann’s emails again and then leave a virus in there; even if it doesn’t make people skeptical it would still be amusing.

Thank you Cliff Mass for this.

Scissor
Reply to  Walter
April 4, 2023 8:33 pm

I’m hoping that Little Cottonwood Canyon is open on Friday.

karlomonte
Reply to  Scissor
April 5, 2023 7:09 am

12F here this AM (westside Denver).

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Scissor
April 5, 2023 7:58 am

The good news of the persistent cold waves is that our fruit trees have still not blossomed out. Colorado front range typically gets sporadic warm spells that create a false promise of spring. Peach and apricot trees take these messages far too literally and bud out in March only to be smacked back into reality by a freeze in April. I think those late frosts take at least 20% of the fruit blossoms. This year will be different hopefully.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Bill Parsons
April 5, 2023 8:17 am

Who knows what “anomalous” really means? The “atmospheric rivers” of the last year may be a typical feature on a millennial time scale. Just ask Chat GPT:

while it is difficult to give a precise answer to your question, it seems likely that atmospheric rivers have been a recurring feature of California’s climate on a millennial time scale.

Addressing the same question to Google gives:

California’s Atmospheric Rivers Are Getting Worse

As climate change makes storms warmer and wetter, the state’s flood control system is struggling to keep up.

Though Google is not designed to handle questions per se, it clearly ranks responses in line with a programmed agenda. ChatGPT may be a little more open minded.

rah
Reply to  Bill Parsons
April 6, 2023 11:07 am

ChatGPT does not have a mind and is every bit as susceptible to GIGO as anything else you can access with your computer.

It can’t even get Tony Heller’s real name correct. Thinks Steven Goddard is his real name.

Tony is exposing the bias in ChatGPT concerning questions on weather and climate.

Suggest you scroll down some of his recent posts giving examples.

Real Climate Science | “Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.” — Richard Feynman

Bill Parsons
Reply to  rah
April 6, 2023 9:29 pm

Thanks Rah. I seem to have forgotten that “\ sarc” tag again.

buckeyebob
Reply to  Walter
April 8, 2023 4:33 am

The Great Salt Lake might fill back up a bit with the spring snowmelt.

Derg
April 4, 2023 6:10 pm

MN still has snow on the ground from November 😡

Tom Johnson
Reply to  Derg
April 5, 2023 6:52 pm

I recall from the ’60s, there could be snow that fell in October that might not completely gone until May. There would be college kids tanning on the beach at Lake Bemidji Diamond Point while there was ice in the lake in May.

rah
Reply to  Derg
April 6, 2023 1:45 am

I have no idea why the angry face Derg. I mean you are talking about MN! I mean look on the bright side. You have had a bit milder winter than the Dakotas!

Ron Long
April 4, 2023 6:11 pm

So, from the above chart, “700mb air temperature”, it looks like the SE part of the USA is experiencing Global Warming and the NW part is experiencing Climate Change. There, fixed it!

RickWill
Reply to  Ron Long
April 4, 2023 6:40 pm

Just more wind turbines and solar panels in the NW.

Walter
April 4, 2023 6:37 pm

Check this out. We just had our 5th or 4th biggest April snowstorm on record.
https://twitter.com/nwssaltlakecity/status/1643426266404757506?s=46

RickWill
Reply to  Walter
April 4, 2023 6:57 pm

New snow records will be a feature of weather reporting in the northern hemisphere for the next 10,000 years.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNhHtudMEW7WbCojm3?e=52bhXA

There has been an upward trend in snowfall in the northern hemisphere since the data has been available from early last century. The upward trend is in its infancy. It will accelerate as the NH oceans warm up.

Reply to  RickWill
April 4, 2023 10:01 pm

There has been an upward trend in snowfall in the northern hemisphere since the data has been available from early last century. 

WRONG
Rutgers Snow Lab NH data reflects a declining trend for Fall, Winter and Spring Snow combined from 1967 to about 1985, and then a relatively flat trend.

The upward trend most likely ended in the 1960s and 1970s
The 1960s and 1970s seem to have been the snowiest decades since 1900.

There are no accurate NH data before 1967
Satellites are required to collect these data
Pre-1967 is a very rough estimate.
The 1940 global cooling period ended in 1975, so there was likely to be more snow in the 1960 to 1975 period. Rutgers data confirms that happened, at least from 1967 to about 1985.

Rutgers University Climate Lab :: Global Snow Lab

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RickWill
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 3:55 pm

Rutgers Snow Lab NH data reflects a declining trend for Fall, Winter and Spring 

The Rutgers chart even provides a trend line, which is upward.

The maximum extent occurs in winter. It is trending upward:
comment image

There are no accurate NH data before 1967

There are longer records at other locations that go back to the early 20th century like this one:
http://openintrostat.github.io/openintro/reference/snowfall-2.png

Satellites are required to collect these data

Satellites are useful for measuring snow extent but are not accurate for measuring depth. Ground stations give the most accurate result for depth and these have been used throughout the 20th century.

Reply to  RickWill
April 6, 2023 1:01 pm

Please do not try to BS me by showing one Rutgers chart and ignoring the two others Fall Snow and Spring Snow

There is a significant declining trend in Spring snowfall, for example.

The link I provided has a combined total

Only a few percentage points of our planet is inhabited,
There is no way a snowfall number for the entire Northern Hemisphere could be accurate without the use of satellites.

RickWill
April 4, 2023 6:38 pm

Great job – All those wind turbines and solar panels in the woke west USA now having a big impact.

The bottom chart makes it is apparent the east coast needs a lot more solar panels and wind turbines before they get the cooling trend they so desperately seek.

And ChatGPT told me that wind turbines and solar panels do not alter the weather. It needs new programmers.

michael hart
April 4, 2023 6:39 pm

March didn’t feel warm on this side of the pond ether.
I guess that’s weather for you.

Frank from NoVA
April 4, 2023 6:52 pm

‘Portions of eastern Oregon had had their coldest March in history, as shown by the March temperatures at Burns, Oregon over the past 50 years.  I mean no year was even close to March 2023.’

Calling NASA GISS – cleanup needed in aisle 7….

KevinM
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
April 5, 2023 9:42 am

I thought “someone should track whether the data disappears.”
Then I thought “I can be the someone who tracks whether the data disappears.”
Then I thought “What would I do if I saw the data disappear?”
Then I posted this comment and wondered about the next article.

Grant
April 4, 2023 7:09 pm

Sacramento is flirting with the record for the latest 70 degree day of the year set on April 7, 1903

PVLFG
April 4, 2023 7:15 pm

No kidding! I’ve had meetings in or have passed through Burns eight times since the 1st of November. It’s been an icebox. Looks like the Arctic with all the snow on the ground, which has been there forever.

Speaking of which, it snowed here in Prineville, OR, on Sunday, and twice today. This afternoon’s second dump (the first melted after the sun came out), resulted in about an inch, which is pretty good for us in the high desert. It will last overnight.

And, speaking of overnight, I don’t think we’ve had more than 10 nights above freezing since the first of December. It’s supposed to drop to 17º tonight. But no never mind. Gonna warm up to 60º on Saturday. We’ll see ……

John Hultquist
April 4, 2023 7:49 pm

Season extensions at Washington ski resorts are extending value of lift tickets | KOMO (komonews.com)

A few years ago the cry was that ski resorts in Washington would go the way of the Mastodon.
Seems this is about number 143 in the failed predictions of the ClimateCult™.
From November 2015:
The future of Washington’s ski areas is not looking too cool | HeraldNet.com

KevinM
Reply to  John Hultquist
April 5, 2023 9:45 am

There was money.

rah
Reply to  John Hultquist
April 6, 2023 10:52 am

Several ski resorts out west have announced they expect to be open into July!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1637529425599406081

Editor
April 4, 2023 9:46 pm

A rapid warm-up would be very dangerous, leading to serious flooding.“.Ummm, now there’s even more of a warm-up to come. I hope it soesn’t all come at once.

April 4, 2023 9:53 pm

This article is data mining of perhaps under 0.001% of Earth’s surface area for one month. A totally meaningless local weather report that does not belong on a climate science blog.

Washington state 71,362 square miles
Oregon state 98,381 square miles
US 48 states: 3,119,885 square miles
World 196,900,000 square miles

If one is interested in unusually cold weather globally, the best website is in the EU:
Each article covers several cold weather events that you probably will never see in the mainstream media. And not just about a few US states in one month.

Electroverse – Documenting Earth Changes During The Next Grand Solar Minimum

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John Hultquist
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 4, 2023 11:13 pm

 Go back to the maps and calculate the areas of all the different colors. Note that some of the views are truncated. Then realize the post is from a weather person that lives in Seattle and is writing about that area. If local weather for the Puget Sound and adjacent regions isn’t of interest to you, perhaps you should have read the title and moved on. 😒

In addition, this blog has always been about things of interest to the owner — you should read his policies. It has never been about “just climate”. You appear to be relatively new to WWUT and appear to be perilously close to a failing grade on many of his “policy” statements. {Stated with a smile. 😘}

Reply to  John Hultquist
April 5, 2023 6:44 am

Whoever choses the articles here does a very good job but not with this article. A one time, one month, regional weather report, when placed on a climate science website, creates a false impression that the subject is important. Or why mention it? It’s not important.

That local weather report also takes the place of some more relevant article on climate or energy that will never be seen here. I read 24 such articles yesterday. 22 of them would have been more valuable here than a weather report article. Two of them were very good articles, but were already here:
Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog: The best climate science and energy articles I read today, April 4, 2023

The right way to report unusually cold weather is done on the Electroverse website that I previously recommended. They have weather reports almost daily on a variety of unusually cold weather events all around the world. Not one article, one time, on two states, in one month. It’s still weather, not climate, but the mass media looks for hot weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. to blame on climate change. They think cold weather is just weather and tend to ignore it. Sometimes they claim unusually cold weather is climate change too, but that doesn’t sell well..

karlomonte
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 7:13 am

So your voluminous whingings on WUWT are nothing more than hyping your own blog.

Are the readers flocking to the bait yet?

Janice Moore
Reply to  karlomonte
April 5, 2023 10:30 am

If karlomonte is correct, Mr. Greene, you need to have someone else promote your blog. The way you write (and, often, what you write) makes me not EVER want to read your blog.

I have been, however, ever since you announced your status as an atheist, been praying that you would accept Jeshua as Messiah/Savior. So, that’s a good thing about your coming here! 😘

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 5, 2023 11:16 am

Janice, does this mean you don’t want an application for my fan club? There is an opening — my cat just quit after I refused to let him eat some of my roast beef. … I’ve been an atheist for about 63 years so there’s not much hope of converting me. But I am disturbed by the movement toward totalitarianism in this nation, and persecution of Christians, Republicans and the ex-presidents.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 12:57 pm

Cats don’t count. Now, if your DOG quit your fan club… 😉 Well, with God all things are possible. So, I will keep on praying.

Good for you to defend those with whom you disagree. Count me as a non-dues-paying member.😊

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 6, 2023 1:05 pm

Climate change killed my dog

Reply to  karlomonte
April 5, 2023 11:12 am

I’m not sure what a \whingings is, but I assume it has something to do with birds?

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In the old days, clicking on my name above my comment here would bring you to my website. That doesn’t work anymore. So I place a link to my website in some of my comments.
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KevinM
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 9:49 am

Whoever choses the articles here does a very good job but not with this article.
Perfection or doom?

Reply to  KevinM
April 5, 2023 11:32 am

The UAH March 2023 global average temperature was 0.2 degrees C. WARMER than the 1991 to 2020 average.
That is context.

The US 48 states happened to be -1.44 degrees C. COLDER than the 1991 to 2020 average in March 2023

The US 48 states happened to be +0.68 degrees C. WARMER than the 1991 to 2020 average in February 2023

The colored globe chart with the article shows some unusually cold areas on the planet, and some unusually warm areas, in the month of March 2023.
That is more context.

If Roy Spencer announced his March UAH data by saying only that the US 48 states were much colder than the 1991 to 2020 average, readers would complain that announcement was far from telling the whole story. But that is essentially what this article did — it data mined a few US states.

The article is about weather, not climate, and is biased.

For our planet, there were some very warm areas in March and some very cool areas.

The article discusses ONE very cool area on the planet and ignores all the very warm areas on the planet. That is biased reporting. And biased reporting gets criticized by me. Conservatives should not be biased — leftists are like that.

This article data mines one of the cold areas on the planet (dark blue on chart) because it happens to include a few US states (I can’t tell which ones) and ignores all the unusually hot areas on the planet (dark orange on chart)

Why focus on the one month’s weather in a few US states, when all 48 US contiguous states are only 1.5% of Earth’s total surface area?

I imagined a leftist author using the same global chart in this article to emphasize the very warm areas in March, and not mentioning the very cool areas.

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Gunga Din
Reply to  John Hultquist
April 5, 2023 7:54 am

Of course some things have changed over time but …
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2006/11/17/welcome-to-watts-up-with-that/

Last edited 2 months ago by Gunga Din
Janice Moore
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 10:13 am

Aw….. that was such a sweet bit of nostalgia. Sigh. Sure wish WUWT still had that same flavor…..

Gunga Din
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 5, 2023 2:19 pm

It’s become a bit more focused and more serious (for lack of a better word) but that “flavor” is still there. It shows up more often in the “Open Threads”. Moderation still has a light touch without “censorship”. A post from Michael Mann would be welcome. But I drought he has the cajones to offer one.
(Though I’ve only been here since around 2012, I’ve never seen an answer to the Asparagus thing.) 😎

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Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 1:11 pm

Asparagus smells lousy when it is cooking (my opinion) so how could it possibly smell good later?

The actual answer is PLASTICS
wait, that’s the wrong answer
The answer is rapidly evaporating SULFUR

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 5:00 pm

A post from Michael Mann would be welcome. 

Well, if you just want something to gnash your teeth about…

ChatGPT write a 200 word diatribe against WUWT in the voice of Michael Mann

As a leading climate scientist, I cannot stand by and watch as disinformation is spread about the very real and pressing issue of climate change. That is why I must condemn in the strongest possible terms the website known as “Watts Up With That” or WUWT for short.
This so-called “blog” is nothing more than a platform for spreading lies and misinformation about the state of our planet’s climate. Its founder, Anthony Watts, has no scientific credentials and has been shown time and again to distort the facts in order to fit his own narrow agenda.
What is most concerning about WUWT is not just the falsehoods it spreads, but the fact that it has a significant following among those who are most resistant to taking action on climate change. Its readers are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories, cherry-picked data, and outright falsehoods, all in an attempt to convince them that the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change is somehow mistaken.
Make no mistake: the stakes here are incredibly high. We are already seeing the disastrous effects of a warming planet, from more frequent and severe weather events to rising sea levels that threaten to displace millions of people. We cannot afford to let the voices of climate deniers like WUWT drown out the urgent need for action.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 1:26 am

Depends on which way the arrows are pointing. We all know cooling=weather, warming=climate in the climate change lexicon.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 4:36 am

A totally meaningless local weather report that does not belong on a climate science blog.

I suggest you should be retained as the moderator/censor of what is discussed here. /sarc

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 6:50 am

As the Big Cheese Moderator, I would delete every 25th comment, just to show everyone who is boss.

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 7:11 am

I see you edited your comment- the original came to me. Based on the original, sounds like you might like to work for Putin. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 11:48 am

I have to edit all my comments because I have a vision disability so my typing has many errors. It’s easier for me to read the comment after it’s published, so I publish first, and then proofread and edit.

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 12:53 pm

You have my hearty admiration for making your comments so free of grammar and spelling errors. Even without a vision impairment, I make lots of errors! Which I spot….. after I publish them. 🙃 Big fan of the “Edit” button. 🙂

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 5, 2023 1:30 pm

I can’t read anything with my right eye, And I’m 20/60 with my left eye on a good day. I also type poorly with two fingers. have to look at the keys as I type, failed typing in the seventh grade and my dog ate my papers. Also, none of my faults are my fault.

I’m not as bad as you originally thought. Only one time in my life did an old gypsy woman spit on my shoes. That was just after we got off the train in Bologna, Italy to visit friends. She was probably begging for money in Italian, but I don’t speak Italian. So I just said “NO”, Then she spit on my shoes. My wife couldn’t stop laughing for ten minutes.

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Gunga Din
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 7:51 am

OOPS!
Accidently had put my reply to John Hultquist above here!

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 7:57 am

On that original WUWT article, it says “I prefer posts from people whom identify themselves.” Not many seem to follow that suggestion here. But no doubt your real name is Gunga Din. 🙂

Gunga Din
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 8:16 am

😎
No, it’s not.
My first few comments here used my real first name.
When I realized I was going to frequent the site, I decided to use “Gunga Din”, a CB handle someone given me where I had worked years before because I handled the water and wastewater treatment.
I sent an email to Anthony telling him I was going to do that since I was now working for a city that was suffering from early stage “GoingGreen”.
Some of the things I was saying could be used to identify me if I continued using my real first name. That was at a time when people were being fired for what they said on Facebook.
Anthony replied with a simple, “No problem.”

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 8:22 am

OK, sounds good. I was only teasing as I don’t see a problem with using a handle, unless the site owner insists otherwise. I use my real name as I’ve always been self-employed, or some of my friends say, self-unemployed- so I have no concern about anyone complaining about me to an employer. I can appreciate why some people do need to be concerned. No doubt all the others here using a handle have also discussed it with Anthony. 🙂

rah
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 7:28 am

Ha! Tony Heller went by Steven Goddard because as a specialist in debugging computer programs he was being contracted for government work. Once he was done doing work for the government he revealed and went under his real name.

Now, ChatGPT says that his real name is Steven Goddard! As usual the indoctrinating idiots get it ass backwards.

AI Clown Show | Real Climate Science

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 11:50 am

The best trick is to use a moniker that sounds like it must be a real name. My real name is actually Englebert Lipshitz.

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Gunga Din
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 2:40 pm

And all this time I thought your real name was Engelbert Humperdinck!
You left clues. Just not enough. 😎

Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 1:14 pm

My clues are in the clues closet.

Last edited 2 months ago by Richard Greene
April 4, 2023 10:11 pm

Energy questions of the day

How much electricity does a solar panel desert produce when the solar panels are covered with snow?

How much electricity do bird and bat shredders produce when there is little or no wind?

Bonus question:
How many leftists does it take to screw in a new light bulb in a location that requires a ladder?

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 8:25 am

I’ve seen some climatistas claim solar panels work just fine under several inches of snow. Well, I suppose a few photons make it through but not many. Of course they think there’ll be no more snow so nothing to be concerned about.

Mason
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 12:18 pm

Joseph, good point. I see some of the administration giving China a back pat for their work. When we lived in China, our outdoor patios were nearly unuseable because of all the flyash that collected overnight. Solar panels don’t work well when they are covered, whether it is snow, flyash, dust or sand. Deserts have wind and dust so keeping them cleared is a major undertaking.

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Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 5, 2023 1:41 pm

Solar panels work from 10 am to 4pm minus clouds. That range misses breakfast and dinner peak demand hours. Also a little output three hours before that period and three hours after that. No electricity 12 hours a day. Those are annual averages.

The only thing worse than solar panels is bird and bat shredders. They produce electricity of varying output about 60% of the time, at random, and little or no electricity 40% of the time. Their output is uncorrelated with Duck Curve electricity demand.

The first solar panel is overbuild
The first bird shredder is overbuilt
Both are a t total waste of money except in very few locations in the world, where they might only be a moderate waste of money.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 1:50 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYVZKgusU4&t=156s

that’s my video of a solar “farm” built next to my ‘hood in 2012- I hate the things- and wind turbines

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 6, 2023 1:17 pm

Can solar panels be broken with rocks flying through the air?

Sort of like the destruction we did as juvenile delinquent “children” –

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 6, 2023 1:43 pm

don’t tempt me—- they claim to have installed video cameras all over the place

Pat from Kerbob
April 4, 2023 10:37 pm

So, my assumption is this anomalous cold and the gradient west to east we see is responsible for these tornado outbreaks?

So the outbreaks are because of colder than normal, which makes sense.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 4, 2023 11:21 pm

This season may be anomalous but regarding tornado outbreaks the April 1974 season had similar results.
The Super Outbreak of April 3-4, 1974 (weather.gov)

A friend lost her house in that season and an episode of WKRP in Cincinnati (titled Tornado) followed.

Gums
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 5, 2023 6:22 am

Salute!

I think you’re right, Pat.

Down here just south of “little tornado alley” and along Gulf Coast the worst storms occur about 90% of the times when there’s a large temperature differential. The warm, moist air from the Gulf hits the cold, dry air from the northwest or west and whammo!

We always get those spring outbreaks, but they are the worst when the temperature differential is large – it’s weather, you see?

Gums sends…

rah
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 6, 2023 3:49 am

Not just the cold flowing out of the NW but also high SSTs in the Gulf. Cold dry air out of the NW colliding with warm moist air flowing northward out of the Gulf of Mexico. When that happens, as we all know that it has many times over our life times during the spring tornado season, you have the two most fundamental components required for a tornado outbreak. And that one we had last Friday was big and bad by any measure relative to records.

About 100 tornadoes indicated or leaving damage paths. I was watching Ryan Hall y’all that evening and night. It was fascinating seeing him point out the debris signature of a tornado on the ground on Dopplar radar. He was pretty darn accurate in predicting the formation of a tornado based on the hook in shown on the radar.

As an aside he pointed out the signature of bats heading out for a nights feed down in Texas. I noticed that the bats didn’t go all directions. They streamed fanning out generally flying NE. Made me question why? Is there some component of the weather that they key on to know where the best hunting area will be? And if so, then what are they sensing to know that.

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Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  rah
April 6, 2023 7:54 am

Yes, i understand why and how tornados form, and of course all you hear on the news is this is “climate change”, but it seems to me this due to being too cold in the northern half as opposed to too warm in the southern part.
Without the well below average cold to the north there is no tornado outbreak?

rah
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 6, 2023 8:28 am

Like I said, what happened on last Friday is nothing new. It has happened multiple times in the past with much higher fatality rates. We should just thank are lucky stars that we have so much more ability to forecast and detect the killer storms than those even in the 60s did.

I was in Kokomo, IN visiting cousins on Palm Sunday 1965. Watched 2 E-3 tornadoes go by. That and the subsequent drive around seeing the devastation in that area of Indiana is something I will never forget.

The thing is we have been blessed for the last several years with generally significantly muted spring tornado seasons and I think we’ve kinda gotten spoiled. Now this year the conditions were similar to what I remember happening several times during the 1960s and 70s.

vuk
April 5, 2023 12:04 am

French winemakers light candles, desperate to save their grapes from spring frost again, second time in two years.

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Krishna Gans
Reply to  vuk
April 5, 2023 1:03 am

Isn’t it the third time in three years ?

Kevin Kilty
April 5, 2023 6:17 am

This started in November 2022 which in Southern Wyoming was about 4F below 1981-2010 climate normals. A little respite in early December left december +1F, but January and February were -1, -1.5F or so. March has been simply awful. Wyoming game and fish is concerned that mortality among big game might be as high as 80% and Colorado game and fish figures the same in places in western Colorado.

Yet we have journalists in this state who prattle on about climate warming. It’s not a cult. It’s a disease. A disease enabled by K-16 education of the wrong sort. I am sick of this non-serious crisis because there is evidence all around of the real hazards in life.

Have a look at this picture of a grader trying to open an exit on I-80 in February. Then try to imagine an electric grader attempting the same. Oh, and then imagine those four snow plows and tow truck, stranded on I-80, with cold, empty batteries.

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KevinM
Reply to  Kevin Kilty
April 5, 2023 9:57 am

This started in” Did it?

Mr Ed
April 5, 2023 7:09 am

I enjoy reading the authors blog, his recent reference to the “Aleutian Express”
was a new one for me. Here in the Northern Rockies it was 12*F with 4″ of
fresh snow at sunrise yesterday morning. All in all the past few winterers have
been 70ish cold. The snow has been hit n miss but we’re @ 120% of average
this year which should make the fire season shortish. I ran the wood boiler
every day till end of May last year which was a first for me and expect the same
this year. Global warming/climate change? Yea right.

Reply to  Mr Ed
April 5, 2023 11:54 am

Aleutian Express versus Bomb Tornado on World Wide Wrestling Saturday for the championship belt. I can’t wait.

Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 8:31 am

Where I grew up in Northern Kentucky there was a rule of thumb saying, “Don’t plant flowers before Mothers’ Day. (If “Global Warming” continues that may to Labor Day!) 😎
Does the West and Northern Plains have a similar saying?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 10:26 am

Around the Puget Sound region where I grew up, not that I’ve heard. But, my great-grandfather always planted his peas on President’s Day (as you may know, peas need a period of cold so they will germinate). 🙂

“Knee high by the 4th of July” was the goal for corn around here… .

Otherwise, the Marine West Coast climate is so relatively mild that it would be a rare year one could not successfully plant just about anything before the end of April. Well (smile), “just about” anything…. You could plant a gardenia, but, around here, that would probably be a waste of money. Pity 😥.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 5, 2023 2:47 pm

There were a few exceptions for gardens. Peas were one of them. I think March was OK. There may have been others.
(I’ve also heard “Knee high by the 4th of July” but I don’t recall when to plant to get there. 😎

Janice Moore
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 5, 2023 5:46 pm

I don’t know that, either. Also, I forgot about tomatoes. 🙄 Can’t plant those until it FINALLY warms up enough at night (sometimes, not until the end of June!!!). Tomatoes often require plastic sheeting/greenhouses around here.

rah
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 7:20 am

About any of the tubers, such as potatoes, carrots, turnips, etc are ok to plant in cooler weather before the last frost.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Gunga Din
April 6, 2023 7:49 am

Here o the canadian prairies we say don’t plant out annuals until after the may long weekend, 3rd weekend in May.
I usually wait at least one week longer

Mary Jones
April 5, 2023 8:39 am

Three years in a row now.

“During February [2021], the average contiguous US temperature was 30.6°F, 3.2°F below the 20th-century average,” NOAA announced Monday. “This ranked as the 19th-coldest February in the 127-year period of record and was the coldest February since 1989.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/08/weather/february-2021-cold-temperature-record/index.html

“Overall, spring 2022 was the 4th coldest across much of Puget Sound in 130 years of records. It ranked in the top 15 coldest across the entire state.”

https://theconvergencezone.com/2022/06/04/one-of-the-coldest-springs-on-record-in-the-pnw/

“The Cold Season is not giving up yet as a Dramatic Return of Major Arctic Blast heads for the Northeast U.S. this weekend”

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/polar-vortex-2022-dramatic-arctic-cold-season-return-united-states-canada-mk/

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Mary Jones
April 5, 2023 10:32 am

Nice research, Ms. Jones. You would make a good article writer for WUWT. 🙂

Reply to  Janice Moore
April 5, 2023 11:57 am

I predict the numbers will be “revised” next month, now that a climate realist has noticed them.

I also predicted the 1930s Dust Bowl would eventually be revised to the
1930’s Snow Bowl.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 5, 2023 8:11 pm

 It was cold in the northern plains as noted in this book:
The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl – Paperback – September 1, 2006
by Timothy Egan  

OuluManc
April 5, 2023 1:01 pm

Here in Oulu Finland we have ground level 70cm+ snow and thick sea ice. Likely to be lasting at least next month. This is most I’ve seen in last 20 years. This mirrors often North America patterns. May the Spring be with you soon!

Ireneusz Palmowski
April 5, 2023 11:03 pm

Winter.
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Eric Vieira
April 6, 2023 12:51 am

The same is true here in Switzerland in Europe: best snow conditions for skiing, even at resorts of lower elevation. Usually in April it’s not so good.

Steve Z
April 6, 2023 6:55 am

In February, Bellevue WA had below average high temps almost EVERY day of the month. I could not believe the USA Climate Reference Network Lower 48 temp came in at +1.10 F for February. The official temps for Seattle are taken at SeaTac Airport, about 50 feet from an auxillary runway, and bordering several hundred acres of tree-less grass and concrete. Our night low temps are almost always at or above the average. In my opinion, that is the urban heat island effect. By the way, several of the Cascade Mountains visible from Bellevue got completely BURIED by the Sunday snow fall!

Kevin Kilty
Reply to  Steve Z
April 6, 2023 7:40 am

The western U.S. and northern U.S. have been very cold. At the same time the eastern and southern U.S. have been very warm. Apparently the warm stations outweigh the cold at present in the USCRN data. This leads to the paradoxical condition of sitting in record deep snow with record low temperature and wildlife dying all around at frightening levels (see estimates recently on bison in Yellowstone park) and be told the country is anomalously warm — thus articles in major newspapers about … well, you know.

Global mean temperature is not very meaningful as far as I am concerned.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Kevin Kilty
April 6, 2023 11:38 am

Estimates of animals dying… “Cowboy State Daily” refers to largest ever bison migration out of Yellowstone to lower ground beyond the park boundaries where “more than a thousand” (out of park’s 6,000 population) are being culled by native American tribes. That’s a lot of meat if it’s properly harvested.

Here in Colorado reports of herds of deer and antelope bedding down on asphalt roadways for warmth and getting hit by semis. This would have been the ideal winter to reintroduce wolves rather than waiting to the end of the year.

Ireneusz Palmowski
April 9, 2023 3:29 am

It is still too early to plant vegetables in the northeastern US.
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