The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Bjørn Lomborg go through each of the “doable dozen,” a series of issues that cost relatively little to solve, and yet doing so would yield exponential returns for developing countries and their impoverished citizens.
Bjørn Lomborg is a Danish author, having written numerous books on climate change such as “False Alarm,” “The Skeptical Environmentalist,” and “How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place.” He is the president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center which focuses on doing the most good for the most people, with increasingly limited budgets. Bjørn’s newest book, “Best Things First,” is set to release soon, so check out the link below to reserve your copy!
I know they really mean “save humanity”, or “save civilization”, however, the lack of precision of the language is disappointing, frustrating and gives ground to the green blob; freely. The planet was here long before we were. The planet will be here long after we are gone either due migration ( doubtful from the current sets of data and trends I see ) or extinction – due to all the same forces that have always been here, however, there’s a high potential of self-inflicted extinction that exists now or may have already come to past.
The Sun is perhaps half-way through it’s main sequence stage. It follows the Earth and most of this solar is through half to two-thirds it’s life cycle. The previous statement is based on what I’ve read of our current understanding of these things. Earth will cease to exist some 500MoY to 1BoY as the Sun leaves its main sequence stage. That should give the Earth another 2-3BoY of existence; perhaps another 1BoY to 1.5BoY of being able to sustain life. This is of course is not a truly known or perhaps a knowable thing but seem reasonable based our current understanding the Universe.
I really dislike the hubris and arrogance of the “saving the planet” or “saving civilization”. The first is not really possible on either a technical or financial standing. The 2nd has never been a stable process or morphs, evolves, and regresses.
And don’t forget that The Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies are expected to collide in around 4–5 billion years.
And we also have those nasty Black Holes all over the place they tell us.
when the climatistas finally lose their war- they’ll switch to complaining about the “galaxy collision emergency” 🙂
Galaxies collide all the time, and since the consist almost entirely of nothing but empty space and space dust, all that happens is that the orbits and positions of the stars within the combined galaxy are modified somewhat from what they are just before the “collision”.
A galaxy collision is not a violent affair, like an asteroid striking earth.
Yep, an asteroid strike would make all the efforts we make to ‘save’ the planet from that nasty CO2 pollution pointless. Just like a supervolcano eruption. There is so much that could go wrong on this tiny tiny rock in space.
But we have to spend all that time and money to prevent that temperatures rise to levels where they were for most of the last 200 million years.
“A galaxy collision is not a violent affair, like an asteroid striking earth.”
The collision itself would perturb the orbits of many systems – nebula, solar, asteroid, etc.
Like slavery, galactic collisions get sh*t done.
Going back, say 5Bya, Earth and Mars had water. Earth still does but in fact the enitire Solar System is flooded with the stuff.
It pours out of El Sol in the Solar Wind – how could it possibly not – and in no small way why water-ice can be seen on Mercury, of all places.
The Moon also.
We see evidence of water on Mars, we also know that there was ‘Life’ when El Sol was 25% dimmer than it is now
There is thus no conceivable way that there was not Life on Mars
So where did it go, why is Mars not crawling alicve with bacteria in the way that Earth isBecause Martian bacteria starved to death and Earth’s bacteria did not, something sustained Life on Earth that wasn’t present on Mars
Not difficult, that thing was/is Plate Tectonics
For whatever reason, Earth accumulated a lot of ‘radioative stuff’ while it was under construction and Mars did not
Radio stuff has been doing what radio stuff does inside Earth ever since:
i.e. Decaying radioactivly and thus creating heat = heat which drives tectonics, mountain building, continent movings/creation also volcanoes
And it is the volcanoes, pumping out fresh bacteria food and recycling Old Stuff that has maintained/sustained Life on earth all that time.
Life did flourish on Mars initially but because there was no fresh stuff forthcoming nor any recycling, Martian Life didn’t have a hope in hell once it consumed what there was initially available on the surface
Why Earth is now in trouble is that the radio things keeping tectonics, mountain buikdings and volcanoes working are running out,
Those radio things are now very very old- having been created in Supernovae at least 6, 7, and 8+ Billion years ago
That is Earth’s contemporary problem – it is very old and is starving from lack of fresh ‘stuff’ coming out of volcanoes.
Incoming comets and meteors added a nice little bit now and again, but even they have all crashed down, especially into El Sol itself, also Jupiter of course.
But but but, everybody Knows, Life on Earth depends on CO2 and Water – rock has nothing to do with it.
I mean c’mon good grief, Nothing Eats Rock does it, are you crazy? When it’s turned into soil, its only use is to stop plants from falling over.
While their kids gets Asthma coming from the mould that eats rock all throughout the very fabric of their houses/homes/cities and roads
wilful blindness. perfect insanity
“There is thus no conceivable way that there was not Life on Mars”
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conceive a child
b: to cause to begin : ORIGINATE
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a: to take into one’s mind
conceive a prejudice
b: to form a conception of : IMAGINE
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Please try again:
I was also stating the poor use of language – like using the word “believe” in any scientific concept at any level.
The moniker, “Do you believe in Climate Change?”. There is nothing scientific in that question nor is the person asking that question a disciplined scientifically minded person. It is only a marketing propaganda slogn design to manipulate you with emotion. Why, you ask? Because there is nothing to have belief in – Climate is a real process. Change is a real process.
Your numbers on projected life are off by quite a bit.
Of course, nobody knows for sure, but current calculations of the amount of hydrogen fuel left inside the sun today suggests another 5-6 billion years or so before it runs out of its “main stage” and starts going into its red giant stage. In the meantime the sun will progressively burn brighter which can have some effects on climate here on earth but not wipe out all life, with an expectation of 10% greater brightness about 1 billion years from now. But there will be no “Earth ceases to exist some 500 my to 1 by from now” as you stated. Over the last half billion years or so, the sun’s brightness has oscillated from up to 2% brighter than now to up to 5% less bright than now based on geologic data and correlations. The sun today is about 30% brighter than it was at the birth of the solar system.
@Duane – I had meant to clean that up a little. I was falling asleep at the keyboard. I apologize for the imprecision of middle the paragraph.
I was trying to state that within the 500MoY to 1BoY post the Sun the leaving it’s main stage, 75%-80% of its total life, planet Earth would start to experience the consequences, which, might give Earth another 2-3BoY as a biological lab post the time frame above. Earth would have it’s own internal problems not withstanding the Sun’s effect. The planet will eventually cool, its magnetic field will cease to function. This is a simple function of thermodynamics. Entropy. Mass and Energy are Conserved.
My basic internal mental napkin math was 1) a main sequence G class yellow dwarf star lives ~10BY (total) main sequence stage begins to wane around 8BY. 2) the Sun is roughly ~2-3BoY older than the solar system as a whole.
The inner planets of the solar system will cease to exist once the sun does expand in it’s old age.
I had a little less verbiage in the basic reaction: “Save”? From what?
Maybe these two are just committed to distracting the activists away from their goal. More likely, they are fighting for their own activist purposes. The useful
I’ve got the whole thing recording back home right now but I ain’t gonna watch it – after diving in here (Food and Starvation) circa 51 minutes
They Completely Blew Themselves Out of The Water at That Point
Even more so, they haven’t made any connection between human minds and human bodies as applied to each and every individual on this Earth.
iow; They have completely, via #6 above, depersonalised 8 Billion souls
i.e. How minds and bodies interact on an individual personal level
While claiming to care, Endlessly saying they care about children.
No: They care about themselves and how much Information they can splash around in, while making no effort at all to garner Knowledge.
Nor to escape the flood of Information they so obviously love drowning in.
Information is now = King. People are just numbers.
There is One Reason for that, I’ve told it a trillion times:
It is that the loop described above has become corrupted, by our consuming a substance that alters our minds.
Especially it tells us via Dopamine in our ‘Reward Mechanism’ that:
“We’ve done good even when we’ve done bad”
That stuff is= Sugar
Where Lomborg & Petersen completely do a Thelma & Louise is where they rave about ‘seeds’.
Grains especially obviously
Because Grains are the source of sugar, Lomborg Petersen are frankly admitting to being hopeless addicts.
Throughout this entire interview, contrary to what everybody sees and wants to see;
The Drug Is Doing All The Talking
And fellow addicts will lap it up. It being exactly what they want to hear as it gives confidence in the continued supply of their 3,4,5+ times daily ‘fix’
What is not to like
Thus people don’t mind being forced to eat Sugar.
And they are forced, because there’s now nothing else to eat
And all they other problems the pair of them skate over are a direct consequence of that
I don’t agree.
Meat heals, sugar does not.
Then you may be sane. Just sayin’
He’s been hitting the double glazed donuts again.
I’ve watched several climate emergency skeptics on Jordon’s channel- all worth watching. Jordon tends to do a bit too much of the talking but perhaps it’s becasue he’s trying to explain what his guest is saying in his own words. It’s great that Jordon has on these guests since he has several million subscribers. Many of the subscribers are there for the other topics he discusses and will then have a chance to be exposed to high quality climate emergency skepticism.
Even though it’s very long the whole thing is well worth watching…I particularly liked the bit on education and providing just one hour a day of specialised learning for the brighter kids using tablets could do wonders. So many good ideas and for once Jordan let his subject do most of the talking.
Thanks for putting this up CTM!
Jordon is a pretty good guy. I enjoy his interviews. He is more of a psychologist and philosopher. So yes the details? Details details… we ll let the engineers and scientists sort all that out( sarc) later.
we tried similar stuff in the the sixties, the field of 3rd world econ is nothing new. Billions have been given away to 3rd world governments for health agriculture etc. It ended in the hands of corrupt dictator s
The best way to save the planet? Lock up everyone trying to save the planet. They’re nutters.
“They’re nutters” – correct
Lock them all up – not feasible.
Most of the populace trying to save the planet are emotional, unthinking, and active. The left has steered them to calling for big government via environmentalism. Because straight reason is ineffective, the next best thing is to redirect them.
This is about the existential crisis faced by many people in developed countries, especially the US and Western Europe. These people feel their lives have no meaning and they take up causes that involve “saving the planet” from imaginary dangers.
They imagine themselves as prophets and messiahs. They embrace one or more secular religions with themselves (not nature) as deities.
Here are my three suggestions.
beg, borrow, and steal
Cuba may face more lawsuits after ruling on Castro-era debts (cnbc.com)
exactly, you might just as well flush your money down the toilet when you send any money in any form for any purpose to these countries. The historical economic record of this is very clear. No integrity in government, socialism/communism , bribery fear intimidation. And by the way all those schools laptops and tablets will be stolen and sold on the black market by the students teachers principles and parents.
Save the planet? From what?
Save the planet? From what?
From 97% climate scientists, what else ? 😀
The one thing that mankind can do better is to manage their population decisions better as we are depleting resources in parts of the world already, that is where the problem is building on us.
There is NO Climate Crisis at all!!!
Pass. I HATE videos. No way to skim them, move far too slow so they don’t outpace the slowest watcher, no references or citations …
I heard dat, Willis!
Nobody wants to write anything anymore. I want to read things. My attention span shrinks to nil when I watch most videos. Give me print. I can skim, reread, etc. And I don’t have to put on headphones, either.
Given that there are so many different video formats and control options your best bet is to download and save the video in a format which you can play back on a local device.
At least the stuff needed to do this is all open source and free, but jeez this is worse than the BETA and VHS wars.
I do this all the time because your’e right it is a PITA!
Bjørn. as a native English speaker, I prefer your Danish accent. The European English accents are wonderful.
I’m on board with most of the twelve ideas. Their handling of alcohol and tobacco is merely a sin tax/prohibition effort. I am against prohibition and sin taxes. The other issue was immigration, that seemed pretty foggy to me.