Essay by Eric Worrall
I just don’t know what to say to this one…
Thanks to Advance Australia for sharing this gem.
I don’t know when this video was filmed. I’d love to see a longer version of the video, I suspect a few key words might have been clipped. I think the climate protestor might have been talking about animal farming, there seems to be a real push to outlaw animal farming.
Mandatory veganism could be a death sentence for a lot of people.
I know someone who almost lost the ability to have children because she was a vegetarian. According to her gynaecologist at least, about one in five people can’t tolerate a vegetarian or vegan diet. Excess carbohydrates apparently does catastrophic damage to susceptible people’s bodies, including their ability to have children.
Thankfully in my friend’s case, she was able to reverse enough of the damage to have a healthy baby, within a few years of resuming a meat rich diet.
Update (EW): The condition my friend had was PCOS. There is significant medical support for treatment of PCOS with elevated dietary protein.
Don’t ya love new ideas from people who have made or done nothing. How about we don’t need cloths just grow hair!
They want to turn back the clock to when humans survived as hunter/gatherers? These bozos don’t have a chance of living a week if they had to feed themselves.
If just one group of these climate protesters could live without fossil fuels and animal husbandry and whatever else they claim is killing the planet, I might be inclined to listen politely before telling them no.
But they can’t even do us that courtesy. So I don’t even pretend to listen to them.
Thank you! I didn’t know about the infertility link to vegetarianism – perfect fit for the doomsdayers as they want to eliminate most people anyway.
It’s like we’re in straight to video, B movie, sci-fi thriller, where the alien lizard shapeshifters have infiltrated governments and NGOs, and are using them to reduce human numbers to make invasion and occupation easier.
It would be funny if it wasn’t true….
🙂
/Sarc?
We should all adopt a food-free diet to save … what?
The WEF is still pushing the Great Reset, with the excuse being too
much nitrogen. The Dutch gubmint may also want the land for more
immigrant housing.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/16/dutch-farmers-promise-fresh-protests-after-govt-backs-plan-forcibly-seize-farmland/
This shows how far politics has moved away from reality .
The facts are quite clear .
The worlds population which will reach 8 billion next month can not be fed without the use of nitrogen fertilizer .
That is a fact as half of the worlds population are fed with the additional food that nitrogen fertilizer produces .
Instead of having a COP27 meeting on climate that they have no control over world leaders need to urgently need a meeting on food security.
The stupid policies of restricting natural gas production that is essential for artificial nitrogen production around the world has already started to hurt farmers around the world .
There will be less food grown in the next 18 months because of the ongoing war in the Ukraine and the extremely high prices of nitrogen fertilizer because of a shortage of gas .
The worlds population has to wake up before the food shortages become world wide .
Those world leaders that are pushing these policies should be held to account when hunger strikes.
Greenpeace are urging governments to ban the use of nitrogen fertilizer but they don’t want to know that a ban will lead to famines around the world .
They are worried about nitrous oxide in the atmosphere which is a very minor gas heating the world .
I’m a vegetarian, but I’m not strict. I eat meat.
I eat lots of meat…it is wonderfully tasty.
“Farming needs to stop” is the single biggest driver of Bill Gates, et al, who own much of US farmland now, and plan to take it all. The “climate change” scheme doesn’t apply to them.
C’mon, man! Who needs farming? We have grocery stores now!
Good point!
Find a soon-to-empty shelf that wasn’t made with fossil fuels and chew on it!
I recommend that we begin growing Pundi rice …
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Pundi_rice
Let’s send all the greenies to Caladan and tell them to get busy.
Reminds me of the ouroboros … a snake eating its own tail …
But nobody ever explains how the snake, after eating itself, isn’t just dead. Just like nobody ever explains how we, without modern plants and seeds, fertilizer and farm machines, will feed ourselves.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/ouroboros/
“Mandatory veganism could be a death sentence for a lot of people.”
I will hunt and kill vegans.
I prefer that they are farmed. Much easier to find and kill.
Cows and sheep are vegans, aren’t they?
The good news is that damn few of these vegan idiots know how to use firearms.
”What do you need farms for? Food comes from grocery stores!”
This is an idea that’s dead in the box . I will raise my own meat and let the waco’ eat lettuce. Precisely why I have access to 20acres of pasture .
Wait, I didn’t realize that I was on the Babylon Bee site.
The whole world is Babylon Bee these days. Must be tough being a satirist, the weird stuff going on for real must make it difficult to stand out…
That’s why they created “Not the Bee”. The headlines there can be more outlandish than those on the Bee.
Is it just me that sees Monbiot as a doppleganger for Millhouse Mussolini Van Houten, or do I have a problem I need to seek counselling for…_
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Milhouse_Van_Houten
I have “poo-pooed” organic farming in the past as I didn’t think it could
compete with “industrial agriculture”, except in places where they could
make higher-valued products. I based that opinion on having grown up on a
(mostly) dairy farm where we were essentially organic but still plowed all
of our ground & planted single crops on a field. Three problems I didn’t
think that organic farming could overcome were: high land, equipment, &
fuel costs; getting enough fertilizer for crops; & weed control. I now realize
I overlooked several ways organic farming can work much better than the
“traditional” ways we used.
Gabe Brown farms 5k A (~2k ha) out on the prairie east of the Missouri R.
near Bismarck, North Dakota. He has 2k A in no-till crops & 3k A in pasture.
The soil’s “silty loam”, which is a overall a bit better than what we had.
His growing season & temps (~4°F hotter in summer) are like what we had.
The key difference of what I saw in the videos versus what I expected
was how green it was despite 8″ less precip/yr (18″ (45cm)). His organic
farming recaptured at least 1/2 to 2/3 of the difference between what I
thought it could produce versus current standard practices. Even though
he isn’t certified organic, his organic methods command the higher price
organic produce gets, which could mostly disappear if many more farmers
used his methods.
One of his principles is to keep every square inch of ground covered with
several species of plants on the same ground that can grow well beyond the
normal growing season so as to capture the energy from the sun. This
would be from early April until mid-Nov. vs. a growing season lasting
until early September that began in early April for small grains & mid-May
for corn & soybeans. This has raised the organic content of his soil from
2% to 5%, using “green manure”, something I hadn’t considered possible.
All the “organic trash” also acts as a shield, not a conduit, for weeds
& heat stress, as well as being able to store more of the sparse rain
when it does fall. Again, three more better-than-expected performances
I misjudged or hadn’t even considered.
Contrary to popular belief, animals are a KEY part of his plan as they both
complement plants & are a source of many of the “value-added” products
he sells, thus keeping him in business. He raises free-range animals-
cattle, pigs, chickens, bees, & wildlife- an integral part of his plan where
he lets them feed themselves as much as they can versus having to
feed them regularly & store feed for the long, cold winters. He, like
other organic farmers, do have some niche crops, where volume isn’t as
important as quality. This adds the much-needed diversification that’s
been lost in the “industrial farming” model which relies on farmers
being “gubmint dependents” of USDA “safety net” subsidies.
Even though he’s a salesman who markets his own crops, he seems honest
about his methods as he keeps his operation open to anyone who wants to
see how he farms. If I actually farmed or were a young teen knowing I’d
farm, I’d at least check it out & test the methods I’d want to use before
adopting them. I’d also want a tour of his operation (seeing production #s,
too) in late July/early August in a hotter/drier year when heat, drought,
& grasshoppers take their toll. It’d be interesting to see others, like
tea & orchard growers, who have or are trying to translate these methods
into something financially feasible for themselves.
Note: Chico State’s article has 3 videos that were eye openers on how
organic farming is much more feasible than I had thought it could be.
Gabe started using organic methods 25 yrs ago & is still in business.
He doesn’t carry crop insurance which probably wouldn’t cover his
organic premium price anyway. But he has relied on his methods &
diversification to carry him through hard times, using no-till, no
fertilizer or chemicals, & cheaper non-GMO seed, which greatly cuts
both high input costs & its associated risk.
https://www.csuchico.edu/regenerativeagriculture/demos/gabe-brown.shtml
https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/crops/article/2022/10/06/canadian-plan-reduce-fertilizer-heat
Something I never thought of that may affect crop yields is row
orientation- N/S vs E/W- as Jim Nichols claims. He also cut nitrogen
fertilizer use by applying it closer to when his corn needs it & by
planting alternating strips of corn & beans to increase photosynthesis.
Jim’s daughter, Dr Kris Nichols, is mentioned in the third video as
she did work @ur momisugly Mandan, ND. She also told Jim corn is 46% carbon,
which is something that caught his attention. You read, you decide.
https://www.inforum.com/business/old-dog-learns-new-tricks-for-increasing-corn-harvest
https://www.farmprogress.com/crop-row-direction-can-influence-yields
I think its unlikely farmers have missed too many tricks, Nitrogen fertiliser is expensive, so I’m sure they’re always tinkering with application times, etc. In any case, my understanding is you kind of have to time nitrogen application with rain, otherwise it can burn the crops, so it might not be possible to get the timing exactly right.
pelletised form IN soil before planting. or use gentler animal manures
in aus the banks will refuse farmers loans for fertiliser if its not “approved chemical type” ie use rockdust or manures and pay it yourself
What Monbiot is really saying is that the biggest threat to the climate is human sexual activity. It produces far to many children leading to far to much farming. Such an experiment was conducted by the Shakers and it was very successful. There are now only two who are old and consume very little. Someone should tell Monbiot so he can urge a worldwide conversion to Shaker.
When someone says “I know someone who…” in relation to veganism I know I am hearing from someone who hasn’t a clue what they are talking about.
“We need to change the economic system.”
— George Monbiot.
This isn’t about the climate, is it.
Never was.
Mandatory veganism could be a death sentence for a lot of people.
Seriously? As an AnCap, I don’t support any governmental intervention, but your claim is beyond ridiculous.
I think the death sentence would apply to the politicians and activists who mandated & enforced veganism on the general populace.
Probably get hung by ordinary folk who love their Sunday barbecues & roast dinners, using hemp ropes strung from tofu trees or something similarly appropriate.
Haw haw haw you write as if you are one of them since you have been irritable with no evidence or cogent arguments to offer in this thread.
I strongly suspect that he is suffering from B12 deficiency.
Since you are so convinced that a pure vegan diet is possible, you must have reams of data supporting your beliefs. Why don’t you, for once, present some of it?
There’s not much you can say or do, except laugh and cry at the same time. Laugh because it is so idiotic, cry because these poor young people have been so brainwashed by unscientific nonsense
Monbiot is a plonker, usually caged as a Guardian Commenter, but trying to widen his subsidy base
Great! A simple solution is at hand. ALL those that believe this drivel MUST commit suicide to save the planet! All that food they would have eaten? No need to produce it! Perfect way to get rid of their unnecessary “carbon” emmsions and flatuence too.