Vancouver’s New Virtue Signaling Fire Engine–Useless, But At Least It Won’t Wake the Neighbours Up!

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

h/t Dave Ward

Coming to a fire brigade near you!

Want a glimpse of just how cultist North American governments have become over all things “green,” especially electric vehicles? Vancouver is giddy about being the first city in the country to receive an all-electric fire truck.

How is that cultist?

Well, the new e-truck will cost $300,000 more than a comparable diesel model, pump 40 per cent less water and have such a short range (30 km) because of its enormous weight that it will have to have backup diesel power in case it runs out of juice on the way to a blaze.

But, the city points out, it won’t give off diesel fumes and will be much quieter than existing diesel fire trucks. Oh, yeah, cause that’s what I’m most concerned about when my house is on fire – that the pumper might be a little too loud and stinky for the neighbours.

https://theprovince.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-here-are-more-signs-of-how-cultist-our-green-thinking-has-become/wcm/28c47c04-9185-4e6d-85b9-b52cff57eb04

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fretslider
September 8, 2022 2:23 am

Wouldn’t it be ironic if the batteries caught fire… What then?

Giorgio
Reply to  fretslider
September 8, 2022 2:31 am

Burn, baby, burn!

Andy H
Reply to  Giorgio
September 9, 2022 8:47 am

Disco Inferno

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  fretslider
September 8, 2022 5:26 am

A lifetime ago I serviced fire extinguishers, and we had a few fire stations as customers. At one station, the only truck that had absolutely no extinguishers on it was…the tanker. In a semi-rhetorical manner I asked the fella showing me around, how it might look as the headlines read “Pumper Truck Burns At Fire”. Still didn’t make the sale.

aussiecol
Reply to  fretslider
September 8, 2022 3:22 pm

Call a fire truck???

Reply to  aussiecol
September 9, 2022 6:05 am

Electric?

Prjindigo
Reply to  fretslider
September 9, 2022 10:12 am

“what then” will be happening by ladder truck from the next streets over since the heat coming off it will melt the windows and tires of anything close enough on the same street… the battery packs on that thing are HUGE

mikeyj
September 8, 2022 2:46 am

This story belongs on the Babylon Bee. Headlines “fire truck bursts into flames on the way to the fire”

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  mikeyj
September 8, 2022 3:23 am

We had a mineral exploration camp in the Paterson Ranges, roughly for Google maps 21.43S, 122.05E. It was in the Great Sandy Desert where summer Tmax often nudged 50C.
Back at our Sydney Head Office, we received a funding request for an above ground plastic swimming poo for this remote camp, a safety item to be a source of water in case of fire. It was approved and installed next to the camp’s Indian made diesel generator.
One hot day (they were all hot) the generator sprung a fuel leak in the throttle control and it caught on fire. Fuel squirted around and the fire burned the plastic swim pool to the ground in very short time.
The best laid plans of mice and men …. Geoff S

mkelly
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
September 8, 2022 6:13 am

Geoff says:…”swimming poo…”.

Not sure I would have gone in no matter how hot it got.

Spetzer86
Reply to  mikeyj
September 8, 2022 4:41 am

If the truck flambees in the station, can it put itself out?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Spetzer86
September 8, 2022 6:10 am

I would say the fire truck equipment, hose, pumps, water tank, would be consumed by the fire long before the fire could be put out.

ih_fan
Reply to  mikeyj
September 8, 2022 10:53 am

Headlines “fire truck bursts into flames on the way to the fire”

Or: “Fire truck destroys firehouse after catching fire”

Reply to  mikeyj
September 9, 2022 6:06 am

The Babylon Bee can’t get ahead of leftist these days.

Steve Richards
September 8, 2022 2:50 am

The level of stupidity of these people is legendary!

But we are not surprised.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  observa
September 8, 2022 7:55 am

Meat producers are likely smiling…no more advertising expenses to maintain a tied game with your competitors….

Matt Dalby
Reply to  Steve Richards
September 9, 2022 8:19 am

I thought some British fire brigades had hit peak stupidity after spending £17,000 to repaint their appliances in rainbow colours to support the pride movement, but this takes stupidity several levels above that.

mark
September 8, 2022 2:52 am

Presumably the sirens used are also nice and quiet?

fretslider
Reply to  mark
September 8, 2022 2:54 am

With dimmed flashing blue lights…

Fraizer
Reply to  fretslider
September 8, 2022 3:28 am

Well , no. There is not enough battery power to accommodate flashing blue lights or a siren. They just have a guy wave a flashlight and scream REEE REEE REEE.

Anders Valland
Reply to  Fraizer
September 8, 2022 4:20 am

So they have the Pride-base covered as well….sorry, no offense…..

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Fraizer
September 8, 2022 5:30 am
Drake
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 8, 2022 6:38 pm

Thanks DJ

Editor
Reply to  Fraizer
September 8, 2022 5:32 am

“They just have a guy wave a flashlight and scream REEE REEE REEE.”

Thanks, Frazier. That made me laugh.

Regards,
Bob

Ray in Northern WI
Reply to  Fraizer
September 9, 2022 12:58 am

They just have a guy wave a flashlight and scream REEE REEE REEE.

.. Screaming it in both French and English..

buggs
Reply to  mark
September 9, 2022 9:40 am

Given the Vancouverites preponderance for leaning on the horn in their automobile I’d think a siren would be a negligible noise factor.

Speed
September 8, 2022 3:12 am

The job of a “pumper” is to pump. After electrically travelling to the fire this “pumper” truck will be connected to a water supply — in some cases a lake or river — and then using its pumps raise the pressure of the pumped water so the nozzles can do their job and shoot water into the fire — sometimes stories above ground level.

Including numbers as to how long and how far this vehicle can pump water should be important to the story.

I wonder if the fire station has a diesel-powered backup generator …

Bryan A
Reply to  Speed
September 8, 2022 5:33 am

Doesn’t matter much if the fire lies beyond the trucks point of no return. Likely after driving no more than 10k, the truck will be useful for 20 minutes of pumping before it passes the point where it can’t return to a Charging point

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bryan A
September 8, 2022 6:13 am

The fire department needs to invest in a diesel-powered tow truck. A big one.

Speed
Reply to  Bryan A
September 9, 2022 3:47 am

Likely after driving no more than 10k … “

10k what? Ten thousand miles?

Speed
September 8, 2022 3:22 am

More here …

https://bit.ly/3RGTf4m
(Vancouver is Awsome)

And if they do need power for an extended period of time there is a range extender, a 350 hp diesel engine from BMW which can refill the batteries faster than driving depletes them. Using that it can go another 300 to 400 km.

A waste of taxpayer money.

observa
Reply to  Speed
September 8, 2022 5:53 am

Won’t you think of the poor petals-

It also has four variable heights, with one for high water, an offroad option, a standard position and one setting for when it’s stationary; a common injury for firefighters is twisted ankles from getting out of the truck, along with similar injuries to knees and backs.

chadb
Reply to  Speed
September 8, 2022 7:32 am

No, it makes total sense. Pumper trucks typically have to drive 400km to get to a fire.
Oh, wait, it must be due to the fact that batteries don’t work when its cold, and they are in Canada.

Speed
Reply to  chadb
September 9, 2022 3:52 am

Pumper trucks typically have to drive 400km to get to a fire.”
400km? At 100 km per hour (approx. 60 mph) that works out to four hours to get to the fire.

Mark D
Reply to  Speed
September 8, 2022 3:39 pm

They should have ordered it with the optional 3/0 extension cord reel.

Tony K
September 8, 2022 3:25 am

Nothing more ironic than a fire truck on fire.

Joe Gordon
September 8, 2022 3:31 am

Instead of water, the truck will pump constructive empowering thoughts using perfectly correct pronouns.

After lifting the spirits of those who have lost their homes to fire – inevitably caused by cisgendered white men and their evil climate change – the stunning and brave firefighters will retire to their solar powered stationhouse, where they will drink kambucha and snack on fried termites dipped in natural rock salt sourced from vegan deposits in northern Nunavut and hand-carried to Vancouver by native indigenous pxxple, oppressed by the same evil white men who absolutely, no-doubt-about-it-so-says-the CBC caused the fire.

RevJay4
Reply to  Joe Gordon
September 8, 2022 6:42 am

Well done. I think you pretty much covered the lefty spectrum of imagined offensive stuff.
Luv it.

Yirgach
Reply to  Joe Gordon
September 8, 2022 7:16 am

Virgin sacrificial offering at 11.

drednicolson
Reply to  Yirgach
September 8, 2022 3:51 pm

Cancelled at 10. They couldn’t find any.

They would have settled for a trans virgin, but couldn’t find any of those either.

Art
Reply to  drednicolson
September 8, 2022 7:33 pm

I would suspect a lot of trannies are virgins. After all, who would want to shtup one of those.

AGW is Not Science
September 8, 2022 3:43 am

The silver lining is the fire truck can self destruct and create its own fire at false alarms, so the trip won’t be a complete waste.

Or it can just do it right in the fire house, thereby saving the fire fighters a trip and STILL giving them something to do during (hopefully) “quiet” times.

Assuming, of course, the fire fighters survive the fire.

Seriously though, how many “four alarm fires” have to happen due to electric fire trucks AT FIRE HOUSES before this stupidity ends?!

Hopefully the fire fighters will be smart enough to park these things get OUTSIDE the fire house.

September 8, 2022 4:08 am

A nice example of how stupidity paired with corrupt administration paves the way for electromobility. As an electric bus within big cities, EVs would certainly have a much more positive impact.
Anyone who can invest a lot of money in fire protection should concentrate on getting to the root of the problem – and that is water shortage. With the $ 300,000 I would rather have financed fire ponds, cisterns or rain barrels.
Because even more embarrassing and stupid than a firefighter with EV is only a fire brigade that has no water to extinguish.

https://climateprotectionhardware.wordpress.com/

Pariah Dog
September 8, 2022 4:41 am

I hear the luxury model comes with a complimentary chocolate teapot.

Ack
September 8, 2022 4:54 am

Wont you have to buy several as backups? What happens when your primary unit is on the charger, and a call comes in?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Ack
September 8, 2022 5:32 am

You’ll get a service ticket, and they’ll call you when the truck is ready to dispatch.

chadb
Reply to  Ack
September 8, 2022 7:48 am

It has a 350 HP “backup” generator.

MarkW
Reply to  chadb
September 8, 2022 8:23 am

According to this article, fire truck engines range from 350 to 550 HP.
Given the fact that electric vehicles are usually a lot heavier than an equivalent gasoline/diesel vehicle, just how fast would this fire engine be when running off it’s generator?

https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-is-a-fire-truck-engine?share=1

chadb
Reply to  MarkW
September 8, 2022 10:06 am

It would run like an electric hybrid which have undersized engines but use the battery for peak power. As an engineer I think that’s a pretty good solution. I don’t think we’ve come close to optimizing hybrids because they were always seen as an intermediate rather than end state.

Drake
Reply to  chadb
September 8, 2022 6:44 pm

How do you look at it as a taxpayer.

3 times the cost for LESS pumping power and range and a more complicated set up and maintenance. AND it still requires diesel.

Please, catch a clue. Thank you in advance.

jeffery P
September 8, 2022 5:01 am

This shows that despite hards times for 5he proles, governments still have too much money.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  jeffery P
September 8, 2022 6:17 am

Too much money, and too much time on their hands.

Disputin
Reply to  jeffery P
September 8, 2022 7:26 am

They don’t have too much money – it’s OUR money!

MarkW
Reply to  Disputin
September 8, 2022 8:24 am

They have too much of our money.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  jeffery P
September 8, 2022 8:40 pm

“too much of our money” And they’re still not satisfied.

joe x
September 8, 2022 5:09 am

two people come to mind about this story. the salesman for the fire truck company and the vancouver purchasing agent that signed the purchase order.

stories like this are 100% proof that we are watching an insane asylum operate un hindered in full view for all to see.

fire chief: sorry mr. home owner, we could only save half of your home because we ran out of water.

former home owner: not to worry, i and my family will sleep easier tonight at the shelter knowing the fire truck was not spewing toxic co2 in the process.

September 8, 2022 5:16 am

Doesn’t the truck have a siren to make lots of noise?

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 8, 2022 5:18 am

Yes, but, fire is a cultural construct. 😉

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 8, 2022 6:59 am

It’s a racist remnant of a patriarchal society!

Tom in Florida
September 8, 2022 6:03 am

have such a short range (30 km) because of its enormous weight that it will have to have backup diesel power in case it runs out of juice on the way to a blaze.”

Have they never heard of Occum’s Razor?

MarkW
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 8, 2022 8:26 am

Isn’t Occam one of those dead white guys?

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 8, 2022 8:42 pm

No planning to allocate more funds to fix the roads these thing travel over.

George T
September 8, 2022 6:06 am

Just imagine the EV fire engine catching fire while parked inside the fire station. When that happens and it destroys the entire structure perhaps there might be a rethink on the utility of battery operated vehicles.

MM from Canada
September 8, 2022 6:28 am

This is embarrassing.

RevJay4
September 8, 2022 6:34 am

Too fricken funny. I almost lost my 2nd cup of coffee all over my laptop whilst reading this one.
Somebody made some serious bucks offa selling that truck to Vancouver, B.C. What a bunch of idiots in that government.

MarkW
Reply to  RevJay4
September 8, 2022 8:27 am

Vancouver and Portland. Two pees in a pod. And both of them are swirling around the bowl.

Philip CM
September 8, 2022 6:43 am

The manufactures of hybrid engines are really missing the boat here, as a commercial concern.

Kawasaki is running with the hybrid concept with their prototype twin cylinder HEV motorcycle. Personally, I think that HEV is the long term winner. Why governments are not promoting their development is beyond me.

joe x
Reply to  Philip CM
September 8, 2022 6:58 am

“Why governments are not promoting their development is beyond me.”

answer:

a hybrid owner will always have the ability to be mobile even in power outages, so long as a few gallons of fuel are in the tank. an all ev owner will be at the mercy of the failing grid supply and can only be mobile at the whim of policy makers.

its not about the car, its about the control.

Old Man Winter
September 8, 2022 7:06 am

Alinsky rule #5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

Everyone, take a bow! Alinsky would be proud of you!

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Old Man Winter
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 8, 2022 7:48 am

Alinsky Rule #6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

With Rule #6 thrown in for free. It was a tough job,
but someone had to do it!

Olen
September 8, 2022 7:21 am

Thinking like this is more mental illness than virtue. And some stupidity.

chadb
September 8, 2022 7:29 am

Diesel fumes and noise…
Because it isn’t like the fire truck has lights and sirens that will wake everyone up anyway. Also, since the house house fire is burning so cleanly the diesel exhaust should be high priority.
Seriously, who in their right mind thinks this sort of crap matters? I understand the people selling the $300,000 upgrade think it matters, but why the peoples representatives in Vancouver? Also, shouldn’t the fire department be putting fires out, not setting stacks of cash on fire?

drednicolson
Reply to  chadb
September 8, 2022 3:57 pm

If anything the diesel exhaust could be collected as a supplemental fire suppressant. It’s already burned and can displace oxygen away from the fire.

Sage
September 8, 2022 8:53 am

“… and will be much quieter than existing diesel fire trucks.”

Does that mean that the siren will not be used and the horns not blown at intersections?

Last edited 24 days ago by Sage
Gunga Din
Reply to  Sage
September 8, 2022 9:52 am

Instead of the usual “WEE OOO WEE OOO” it will blare “GREEN OOO GREEN OOO”.
Sounds good.

Gunga Din
September 8, 2022 8:55 am

More expensive. Less efficient. Less effective.
Yep, it’s a Green fire engine.

ResourceGuy
September 8, 2022 8:56 am
Randle Dewees
September 8, 2022 9:25 am

I give it less than one year before it is officially (and quietly) removed from service. Of course, it will never actually be in functional service.

No one
Reply to  Randle Dewees
September 8, 2022 6:01 pm

Fill kiddie pools, flood backyard rinks, and if it come with an air compressor, inflate bouncy castles.

Coolengineer
Reply to  Randle Dewees
September 9, 2022 12:52 pm

It will be just like the moronic windmill they built on top of Grouse Mountain. The MTS turbine (monument to stupidity). The blades never turn regardless of wind speed, and it’s never generated a kilowatt of usable electricity and is rusting to pieces. It’s only useful as a tourist viewing tower. Sheesh!
The politicians here and the people who vote for them (not me!) are pathelogically stupid.

September 8, 2022 9:30 am

Vancouver, BC. Lotus Land.

Vancouver has a maze of 800 VDC overhead trolley lines run by Translink. City Council is updating building regs as we speak to outlaw any fires not on trolley lines.

Last edited 24 days ago by ferdberple
Coach Springer
September 8, 2022 9:30 am

First they got “giddy”. Then they bought the truck.

DonM
September 8, 2022 10:09 am

$300,000 “upgrade”?

What would the Vancouver admin pay for this upgrade … mebbe millions.

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Kevin McNeill
September 8, 2022 10:19 am

This typical of the Vancouver City Council, no matter how crazy, if it’s green they want it. The only saving grace is that the City of Vancouver is only 116 sq km so the 30 km range will get the truck to the fire but maybe not home again.However, they’re scr2wed if there is another fire the same day.

WILLIAM ABBOTT
September 8, 2022 10:37 am

There is no way to wake the woke

No one
September 8, 2022 11:11 am

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Sabotage done in plain sight.

As a rural volunteer firefighter, I immediately printed a copy and hung it on our hall bulletin board so everyone can have a good laugh and head shake. The hypocrisy of cutting your capacity to a third, although in reality it’ll probably be worse than that, to reduce vehicle exhaust by what will be miniscule compared to the toxic smoke and gases (and CO2 and heat) of any large fire is staggering.

There is no practicality with such a machine for a rural municipality such as ours. It would get stuck and ruin roads due to its weight, deny fire protection to a significant portion of our municipality and fail to meet our obligations to assist other municipalities under mutual aid agreements due to its lack of range, I doubt the machine would meet the durability requirements of a significant event. We’ve been at several wildfire events that lasted days, even a week. In the week long event there were usually ten or more departments sending men and equipment daily, including pumpers, every day, on a rotating basis. On a particular day one department traveled 350 kilometers to assist – each way.

And now I’ll mention climate. There’s nary a winter we don’t have -40, and fires happen during the coldest temperatures and the darkest nights. I heard a rumour electrics don’t do well then. Add high winds anytime, and fires become very difficult to extinguish. That 40% loss of pump capacity, and I don’t know if that’s pressure or volume, doesn’t matter, would lead to failure.

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ResourceGuy
September 8, 2022 12:53 pm

Join the crowd…..

WSJ
Companies Are Buying Large Numbers of Carbon Offsets That Don’t Cut Emissions

With the boom in renewable energy, many of the credits that trade hands merely represent a transfer of money from one profitable enterprise to another, critics say
“No one should buy any of that stuff anymore,” said Mr. Martins, who is now a senior director at the Environmental Defense Fund, a nonprofit advocacy group.

Joy Holbrook
September 8, 2022 2:45 pm

My husband’s a retired Aussie firefighter. He’s just asked what runs the pump when you get to the fire. He said that sometimes the pump’s in use for two hours and the motor’s running as well.??

observa
Reply to  Joy Holbrook
September 8, 2022 6:24 pm

Maybe they have a pump on the other end of the BMW diesel engine with the generator on it. Dunno really but the missus does a much better job of justifying the latest creation from those boutiques with hardly any stock that only carry Size 8 (madam is this Size 8 Rack here).

James Stagg
September 8, 2022 4:11 pm

Meme (not copiable):
911 operator: Yes, Ma’am, I know your house is on fire, but the electric fire engine is not done charging.

Al Miller
September 8, 2022 5:12 pm

What an assinine way to “virtue signal” – with people’s lives at stake.

Bob
September 8, 2022 5:19 pm

Toss all these yokels in jail and throw away the key.

Quilter52
September 8, 2022 5:43 pm

I rather think if I was the neighbor that I would like to be awake. Just in case the fire spreads to my place. What is the matter with these fools? Can we sue them is the fire brigade doesn’t arrive on time because the battery fails on the way, and someone forgot to refuel the diesel tank?

Jollygreenwatchman
September 8, 2022 6:15 pm

Obvious solution is to replace the Starbucks on every corner with a fire station, yes?

Edward Katz
September 8, 2022 6:28 pm

What’s ironic about British Columbia’s claim to be one of the continent’s greenest jurisdictions as the fact that it’s been so badly affected by wildfires for the last few years. I thought that a commitment to clean energy was supposed to reduce such a likelihood. Or maybe that province is slowly beginning to realize that it can’t stop the effects from emissions to the south and from as far away as Asia.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Edward Katz
September 8, 2022 11:00 pm

No
Last year was 65% of the record year, big but not unprecedented
The two years before that were 10% of average area burned and this will also be well below average.

Nothing to see

roaddog
September 8, 2022 6:43 pm

The self-extinguishing firetruck. An idea whose time has come.

Doubtful, though, that the batteries will last long enough to extinguish a fire in its own battery.

Art
September 8, 2022 7:27 pm

“….much quieter than existing diesel fire trucks. “

When fire trucks go screaming by, that siren drowns out every bit of noise from the diesel engine.

Dean
September 8, 2022 9:14 pm

Do they turn off the siren as well?

Pat from kerbob
September 8, 2022 10:57 pm

It’s vancouver
It’s expected.
The premier announced they would ban ICE vehicles by 2035, then when the price of gas started to rise he demanded that Trudeau do something even though they both support carbon tax then he whined that no company was willing to build a refinery in BC.

They really are that dumb.

Craig Austin
September 9, 2022 3:46 am

Keep in mind, Vancouver BC is the San Francisco California of Canada, completely off the rails.

Andy H
September 9, 2022 8:48 am

It is a lot quieter than a conventional engine. Until they put the siren on because it is too quiet.

No Name Guy
September 10, 2022 10:10 am

The stupid, it literally burns with this one.

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