Coal Miners Pushing an EV to the mine for a Recharge. Source Senator Randy Smith / Fox News. Fair Use, Low Resolution Image to Identify the Subject

Coal Miners Rescue a Dead EV, Push it to the Mine for a Recharge

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Gunga Din; One mine worker presented the EV driver with a “friend of coal” number plate before going home for the day.

West Virginia coal miners help tourists push their dead electric car

The tourist’s electric vehicle broke down a few miles from a vacation destination in West Virginia

By Bradford Betz FOXBusiness

An electric vehicle broke down in West Virginia on Friday, but a group of coal miners were quick to help out.

Photographs shared on Facebook by Tucker County Republican state Sen. Randy Smith shows the car broken down in front of the Mettiki Coal access road on U.S. 48.

“Someone called one of our foreman and told him a car was broke down in the middle of our haul road,” Smith said in his post.

Since the plastic underside of the vehicle prevented it from being towed, the miners decided to push it to the coal mine to charge up.

“So here are 5 coal miners pushing a battery car to the coal mine to charge up,” wrote Smith, noting that you can see the coal stockpile and loadout in the background.

Read more: https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/west-virginia-coal-miners-help-tourists-push-dead-electric-car

The miners are spot on with the “Friend of Coal” number plate. As California responds to holiday weekend demand, by urging EV owners not to charge their vehicles, it is becoming increasingly obvious that coal and gas are the only short to medium term options available to service the needs of the USA’s growing EV fleet – and coal is currently cheaper than gas.

Perhaps we should all thank EV drivers for helping to facilitate the US coal industry’s return to prosperity, through their choice of motor vehicle. When you think about it, the premium EV owners pay of their own free will when they purchase their vehicles is like a personal donation to US coal workers.

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John
September 5, 2022 10:06 pm

why push it for a recharge Just use for a fire

PCman999
Reply to  John
September 5, 2022 11:13 pm

Can’t ride home on a pyre!

A/C Expert
Reply to  PCman999
September 6, 2022 5:08 am

 Dead battery, no problem.  Harbor Freight sells a neat little generator that will fit nicely in the trunk.  Get a proper interface and a few hours sitting along the side of the road and you may be able to get to the next charging station.  

Bryan A
Reply to  A/C Expert
September 6, 2022 6:20 am

There’s a good joke buried in there somewhere…

How many Coal Miners does it take to push an electric car to a coal mine so it can recharge off of a coal powered grid???

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bryan A
September 7, 2022 3:06 pm

None.
After the War on Coal is “won”, they’ll be no coal miners.

DJL
Reply to  A/C Expert
September 6, 2022 7:22 pm

Maybe they have a propane generator, add a propane grill, and have a cookout while waiting for the battery to charge.

MM from Canada
Reply to  A/C Expert
September 6, 2022 8:35 pm

Here’s a video of a guy with a Tesla who needs a fill-up – of his Honda generator.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  John
September 6, 2022 11:15 am

This is a spontaneous combustion car. It could catch fire on its own so why push it?

H.R.
September 5, 2022 10:24 pm

It’s a good thing that brick had wheels. Elon was smart to include them on Teslas.

Too bad the engineers didn’t think to put grab handles on the exterior for a better grip when pushing or pulling along a Tesla with a flat battery. Maybe on next year’s design, eh?

KcTaz
Reply to  H.R.
September 5, 2022 11:11 pm

For a number of years, Tesla’s had trouble with wheels coming off. I saw a spectacular video of it happening to one. The car ended up engulfed in flames after it crashed and a number of brave folks had a devil of a time getting the driver out of the car because it couldn’t be unlocked, nor could they get the window down.
They ended up smashing the driver’s side window and pulling him out through it. He was a very lucky fellow.

Reply to  KcTaz
September 6, 2022 5:02 am

I used to have to dodge those loose Tesla wheels rolling wildly down Michigan highways. Sometimes the steering wheel would come off in the driver’s hands. … Tesla has close to the worst reliability and dependability in the industry, based on J. D. Power surveys.

They are expensive too
MSRP Tesla 3 small clown car = $46,990
with low reliability and high insurance costs
MSRP mid-size Toyota Camry LE ICE = $25,945
MSRP mid-sized Toyota Camry Hybrid LE = $28,080
with high reliability, and 51mpg city / 53 mpg highway
for the Hybrid Camry

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
September 6, 2022 6:22 am

Wouldn’t buy a hybrid though.
Dims will one day outlaw selling Gas as a fuel source and you’ll wind up with an EV with a 30-40 mile range

mark from the midwest
Reply to  H.R.
September 6, 2022 3:43 am

Most tow truck drivers around here charge a 3-4 time premium to pull them out of a snow bank in the winter due to the need to rig a harness around the suspension. What’s so amazing is that Tesla owners think the all-wheel feature will keep them out of trouble in bad weather. There should be mandatory classes on “reality” for anyone who considers buying one.

Anthony Talarico
Reply to  mark from the midwest
September 6, 2022 9:48 am

Why dont they just use the tow hook that goes either in the front or rear of the car? Someone is getting taken to the cleaners

rho
Reply to  Anthony Talarico
September 6, 2022 5:46 pm

I believe the problem is that the chassis itself is plastic and won’t tolerate the stress that towing would put on it.

Alexy Scherbakoff
September 5, 2022 11:05 pm

Should have just pushed it out of the way with a truck.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 6, 2022 4:51 am

Coal Miner Powered

Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 6, 2022 5:06 am

Or over a cliff?

KcTaz
September 5, 2022 11:07 pm

Since the plastic underside of the vehicle prevented it from being towed, the miners decided to push it to the coal mine to charge up.”
Seriously? Tesla built a car that can’t be towed? Why would they do that, especially, with an EV? It’s not like you can call AAA and have them bring you a can of electricity that will get you to the nearest station, er, charging machine, or whatever they call them.

Felix
Reply to  KcTaz
September 5, 2022 11:49 pm

Incomprehensible to me to. If the plastic underside prevents towing, presumably from the angle, how does it get across sidewalks ramps, or up sloped parking garage ramps? How does Tesla service one that’s 100 miles from a Tesla service center? Is it all tow trucks, or only hook trucks, can it be pulled up a flat bed ramp and towed?

Old Man Winter
Reply to  KcTaz
September 6, 2022 12:23 am

They may need to use a flatbed tow truck. If that doesn’t work, I’d bet they
could give it a quick charge. That’s obviously something to find out before
you’re in that situation so as to know what will work for your EV.

Oldseadog
Reply to  KcTaz
September 6, 2022 2:11 am

If it can be pushed, why can’t it be pulled?
Doesn’t make sense.
Oh, wait, it was a Musk Tesla.

Big Al
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 6, 2022 9:09 am

Many late model cars have no tow attachment points. Must use frame or similar hard points. Low to ground makes reaching frame difficult. Also pull truck needs very low pull point to not damage front valance. Appears to be faster to push. The EV ran 179 miles before stopping in middle of coal road. Blocking access. Viewed video of Tesla being rolled back carried to Tesla charger because off brand charger would not recharge Tesla battery. Planning battery recharges big deal with EV trips.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  KcTaz
September 6, 2022 9:51 am

It’s something I’ve noticed of the UK models – when they overtake me on motorways or dual carriageways and disappear into the far blue yonder – they are VERY ‘low slung‘.
There ain’t a lot of clearance under a Tesla.

Pity poor you if you’re a hedgehog.
A normal car has enough clearance for the poor wee beastie to go under without being mashed but I doubt that if a Tesla came overhead.

But then, that’s where The Battery is innit?

Considering the humpty bumpty state of many of UK’s roads nowadays and some of the hideous stuff (ratchet straps esp) that fall off trucks – I can only see a disaster happening.
Those ratchet straps have a very heavy (and hard) piece of steel at one end.
If the driver mostly avoids it but a tyre ‘just catches’ it, that bit of metalwork has nowhere else to go but up and into the underside of those crates.

Now we’re told that the whole underside of those tubs is just a sheet of plastic, supposedly protecting that battery?

errm, what!!!!!

Anthony Talarico
Reply to  KcTaz
September 6, 2022 9:52 am

It cant be a Tesla they dont charge in the front or under the hood they charge at the left rear, seems like someone just wanted to BASH EV’s

PCman999
September 5, 2022 11:08 pm

Sooooo, it was all a plot from the beginning! Big Coal was not happy about being sidelined by Gas, Oil and nuclear, stages it’s big come back with climate saving EVs needing a reliable charge source, coal.

Beagle
September 5, 2022 11:15 pm

The owners are lucky the car could be pushed. Carwow did a comparison of different EV’s to run them until the power ran out. One car (can’t remember which) ran out of power only a few yards from a charging point but the car stopped dead and couldn’t be moved. The driver had to get a rescue vehicle to lift it and move it the few yards to the charging point.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Beagle
September 6, 2022 2:05 am

If it can be pushed, why can’t it be pulled?
Doesn’t make sense.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 6, 2022 2:16 am

This was put in the wrong place by mistake but I can’t delete it.
Apologies.

Bryan A
Reply to  Beagle
September 6, 2022 4:54 am

The ultimate bricking. The electric motor(s) attach directly to the wheels and the motors don’t turn without being powered so the wheels can’t free wheel spin

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
September 6, 2022 7:44 am

That makes no sense to me. I’ve got a fan on my desk and I can get it to spin even when turned off.

Leslie MacMillan
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 9:21 am

May depend on the gear reduction. It is very difficult with a model train locomotive to spin the motor by trying to turn the wheels by hand.

MarkW
Reply to  Leslie MacMillan
September 6, 2022 1:38 pm

That makes sense, I know you have to put an ICE car in neutral before it can be towed.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 10:32 am

Dead easy for Politicians.

Nick Graves
September 5, 2022 11:24 pm

Brave attempt at minimising grid losses, re-fuelling it at a coal mine.
But it doesn’t really work that way.

Old Man Winter
September 5, 2022 11:48 pm

Lauren Boebert on Twitter:
“22,000 people in Colorado had their thermostats locked by their utility
company in 90 degree weather due to an ‘energy emergency.’

People will read stories like this, still want a refrigerator that
connects to the internet, & somehow believe our grid’s ready for 100% EVs.”

California responds to holiday weekend demand, by urging EV owners not to charge their vehicles

Since emergency power can be needed both on the road & at home,
a towable generator may become a necessity, not a luxury.

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Rod Evans
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 1:37 am

You have to smile at the lunacy of it all. As far as towing a diesel gen set along to recharge your EV goes, that is so last century. 
The more ‘woke’ option is to tow a wind turbine and avoid journeys involving low bridges, well any bridges actually…. 🙂

Bryan A
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 6, 2022 4:57 am

Wind Turbines are so 17th century. You have to tow a trailer with solar panels now and wait three days to have 12 full hours of charging time

fretslider
September 6, 2022 1:30 am

“”Concerns have been raised over how electric cars can be moved when they breakdown, given that many cannot be towed.

Transport Minister Baroness Vere said that she was ‘astonished’ to learn that electric cars slow to a stop comparatively quickly, rather than coasting to a stop like a normal car. There are also concerns that electric cars are more difficult, and therefore slower, to remove.””

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/transport-minister-astonished-hazard-electric-car-motorway-breakdowns/

It hasn’t been thought through

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IanE
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2022 1:48 am

Hmm, I’m not sure about that: what better way to destroy transport options for the irritating plebs that keep getting in the way of Important People!?

Stephen Richards
September 6, 2022 1:57 am

Is this staged


Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Stephen Richards
September 6, 2022 2:16 am

You have a choice: buy a toy battery (sorry, Electric) car if you believe all the hype Gozo the Green Clown is telling people, or save a ton of money and buy a reliable petrol car.

To help you decide: apparently latest finding from Germany is that when you leave your shiny new battery car on charge overnight, before you drive an inch in the morning something like 10 per cent of all that expensive electricity you’ve pumped into it overnight has already been lost.

Wow, that sounds like a really good deal! Good job proper cars don’t waste a similar percentage of the petrol in refuelling.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 6, 2022 4:12 am

10%? I thought the loss from line to battery was something more like 20%?

Alexy Scherbakoff
September 6, 2022 3:02 am

I always wondered what ‘shoving sh!t uphill’ looked like.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 6, 2022 10:36 am

Alexy, you’re weird.

paul
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 6, 2022 11:08 am

aka pissin’ into the wind

Speed
September 6, 2022 3:38 am

Petroleum fueled vehicles have been known to run out as well. Gas or electric, running out is a function of the operator, not the fuel.

And of course, gasoline powered vehicles sometimes can’t start because the battery that powers the starter is dead.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 3:56 am

The whole point is that a vehicle with an ICE can usually be towed with some of its wheels on the ground while apparently EVs can’t.
I wonder how they manage with a bus that has run out of battery charge.

H.R.
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 6, 2022 4:56 am

For a bus, everybody gets out and pushes. Read the fine print on the ticket. 😉

Felix
Reply to  H.R.
September 6, 2022 8:49 am

Had to do that after leaving the airport on my way to bootcamp. They claimed the driver had drained the 12v battery by using the heater while waiting. I bet it was standard practice to haze new arrivals and happened summer or winter. (This was 1972, a standard bus with the corrugated sides)

Speed
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 6, 2022 6:10 am

They tow it. However … city buses are an ideal application for battery power — they operate on a fixed route, daily mileage (and energy use) are planned and predictable and they return to the garage to be charged every night. Just like diesel-powered city buses.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:31 am

Given the spate of EV battery fires, wouldn’t it be wise to
have buses followed by a firetruck in the same way a 747
shadows Air Force One? It definitely won’t put out the bus
fire but would keep other things, including EVs, from
burning, too. 😮

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Felix
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 8:51 am

That shadowing 747 has the SUVs, secret service, etc. I read once that the US spends more on Presidential protection than Britain spends on its entire monarchy.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Felix
September 6, 2022 9:44 am

“Nightwatch” is an airborne command post that
goes with AF-1 when the president’s abroad. All
of the accessories he needs when he’s there
gets hauled by military transports as I once sat
alert as backup to the C-130 that was hauling
the Veep’s limo & its “crew” in case if it broke
down.

As for British royalty, we always had to check the
“purple board” to avoid conflicts with flights any
of them were taking. Us Yanks are lucky in that
we have Hollywood to keep us entertained!

Speed
Reply to  Felix
September 6, 2022 12:07 pm

It’s a C-17.

A C-17 accompanies the President of the United States on his visits to both domestic and foreign arrangements, consultations, and meetings. It is used to transport the Presidential LimousineMarine One, and security detachments. On several occasions, a C-17 has been used to transport the President himself, temporarily gaining the Air Force One call sign while doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III

John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:36 am

You won’t want to be in a garage full of charging busses when one of those buses ignite.

Stuttgart Bus Depot Fire Likely Started By Charging Electric Bus (insideevs.com)

The city of Stuttgart in Germany received two fully-electric Mercedes-Benz eCitaro buses, both of which were equipped with very advanced solid-state lithium-ion batteries….Now one of those two eCitaros is believed to have been the source of a massive fire that destroyed 25 buses in the city and also heavily damaged part of the depot they were parked in

Speed
Reply to  John Endicott
September 6, 2022 12:15 pm

Not just electric busses …

The claim: Video shows electric bus fire

In a dramatic video that spread widely on social media, a burning bus is parked by the side of a rural road, lengthy columns of flame shooting out of it both vertically and horizontally.

“Electric bus on fire,” reads the video caption of an April 19 Facebook post

The video was viewed more than 1,000 times and was also shared on Twitter

However, the video actually shows a burning natural gas-powered bus, according to the local fire department, and the lengthy flames are consistent with a designed safety feature.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/04/29/fact-check-burning-bus-methane-powered-not-electric/9538915002/

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:50 am

Anchorage Alaska recently found that the busses don’t hold enough charge to finish their route in the winter.

Oldseadog
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 9:52 am

I thought it was Juneau.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 10:38 am

Note: This person’s postings indicate an owner of an EV.

Speed
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
September 6, 2022 12:17 pm

Wrong.

starzmom
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 2:32 pm

Someplace they figured out that the buses did not have enough battery capacity to complete their routes. So they have put the electric bus plan on hold until they figure that part out. I just can’t remember where, but it was someplace cold.

TonyG
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 6, 2022 8:50 am

The whole point is that a vehicle with an ICE can usually be towed
Or.get.a.gas.can.and.put.in.a.couple.gallons.of.gas.

Speed
Reply to  TonyG
September 6, 2022 12:18 pm

In general it’s best not to run out in the first place. Gas or electric. Either would be “driver error” not a failure of the vehicle.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:43 pm

Two points. The range limit for electrics is usually lower than the range limit for ICE vehicles.
Secondly, ICE vehicles can be gotten back on the road with a simple can of gas. Your EV has to be towed to a compatible charging station.

John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 3:23 am

It’s not “driver error” when the unexpected happens (such as getting stuck in a traffic jam for hours, being forced into a detour that takes you miles and miles out of your way, the sudden needs to flee a disaster area such as when a hurricane or a wildfire hits, etc). It’s poor vehicle design to assume the only situations the vehicle owner will find themselves in are ideal driving conditions and best case scenarios.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 4:20 am

However, a Road Ranger can show up with a couple gallons of gas and send you on your way very quickly.
It is very simple to change out a battery on an ICE vehicle and for a lot less money.
And you can jump start your car to drive it to the battery store because as you know the alternator runs the vehicle once it is started.

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Speed
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 6, 2022 12:19 pm

In general it’s best not to run out in the first place. Gas or electric. Either would be “driver error” not a failure of the vehicle.


MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:43 pm

Only the EV has to be towed if it runs out of gas/electricity.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:19 pm

The contingency plan for this driver error is very simple with an ICE vehicle, but very difficult for a battery operated vehicle. Or perhaps you do not believe in contingency planning.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 7, 2022 3:27 am

Apparently speed thinks only ideal driving conditions and best case scenarios are all he’ll ever have to deal with. The unexpected never happens to him (even when it does, he’ll claim it didn’t – such as his claim of never running out of gas when he also says he did run out of gas once).

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 7:41 am
John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 5:31 am

And when a gasoline powered ICE vehicle runs out of gas, you can easily put more in the tank via a jerry can.

There is no real jerry can of electricity. Several start ups have touted their products (to be available “soon”) as such, but each of the touted products is much heavier per mile than the equivalent amount of gasoline in a real jerry can and while you can put just enough in a jerry can to get you to the nearest gas station (say one gallon at a little over 6 pounds instead of the 40 pounds a 5 gallon jerry can would weight when full), you have no choice but to carry the full weight (60+ pounds) of the e-version. when you have to walk the “jerry can” several miles back to your car, 6+ vs 60+ pounds is a significant factor.

When the ICE vehicle won’t start because of a dead battery, it’s very easy to replace the lead acid battery the ICE vehicles use. (road assistance companies like AAA will bring one to your location and swap out the old one in a matter of minutes, no problem).

When an EV’s battery dies it isn’t something you can replace on the roadside, certainly not easily and not in a matter of minutes even if you could find a company that would bring one to whatever out of the way location you’ve broken down in.

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Speed
Reply to  John Endicott
September 6, 2022 6:14 am

Completely ignoring my point that running out of gas and running out of battery are functions of the operator, not the power source.

John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:29 am

Completely ignoring the point that regardless of where you want to put the blame for getting into the situation, there is a difference in the difficulty of fixing the situation. Once you are in that the situation why it happened is irrelevant, you need to fix the situation and it’s easier to fix with a jerry can or new battery in an ICE than it is in an EV. And that doesn’t change no matter how much you try to shift the conversation elsewhere.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  John Endicott
September 6, 2022 10:44 am

Succinct! The difference exhibited by one who uses Critical Thinking.

Speed
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
September 6, 2022 12:21 pm

Not as succinct as, “Don’t run out of gas.”

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:44 pm

You are really determined to avoid the point at all costs.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 7:29 am

It’s been mentioned a couple times that you can’t always control the circumstances and you may run out of gas due to extenuating circumstances. Quit arguing when you know you are wrong.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:52 am

Most people start with their point. Regardless, your complaints have been dealt with, even if you don’t want to admit it.

DonM
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 10:43 am

People will always run out of fuel … they are people after all.

So, if all cars on the road are designed in a manner that does not recognize that people make mistakes, what is the outcome?

Speed
Reply to  DonM
September 6, 2022 12:23 pm

“People will always run out of fuel … ”
Some people.

Ever wonder why airline pilots don’t run out of fuel? When was the last time you ran out of fuel? I can’t remember the last time I ran out of fuel — because I’ve never run out of fuel.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:45 pm

I only ran out once while in high school. The gas gauge was broken and a problem had developed in the engine that dramatically cut gas mileage.

DonM
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 4:29 pm

No, I haven’t wondered why airline pilots don’t run out of fuel.

Although, sometimes they do … In 1983 a 767, brand new and recently refurbished to meet the changing Canadian measurement standards, had it’s fuel load miscalculated … it ran out half way between Montreal & Edmonton. (this is just one example … there are others)

People make mistakes.

Again, if all cars on the road are designed in a manner that does not recognize that people make mistakes, what is the outcome?

(And congratulations on being a smarter/better person than those airline pilots that did run out of fuel.)

Speed
Reply to  DonM
September 7, 2022 3:10 am

1983? 39 years ago? A bit of a reach don’t you think? I can tell you about a Wright Airlines DE Haviland Heron (four engines) that ran out of fuel and landed in a Canada corn field. Around 50 years ago. No injuries. People screw up. Humans are the weak link in most systems — fix the people. Airlines have two pilots. Trucks have duty time limits.

Here’s the point that all the “what if you run out of gas?” worriers miss … are there advantages to electric vehicles that outweigh the disadvantages? If running out of diesel vs. running out of battery charge is all you’ve got you need to put in a new pitcher.

John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 3:29 am

Ever wonder why airline pilots don’t run out of fuel?”

According to the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, planes crash almost twice per week because they run out of fuel. Care to try again?

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 5:41 am

For the first time in decades, I ran out of gas.  My son was driving, practicing on his permit, but the fault was mine.  I didn’t bother checking the gauge when I went to pick him up from soccer practice.  On the bright side, it was only a couple hundred yards from home, so he trotted up and brought back the gas can we use for the lawn mower and put in enough to get to the station.  He remarked that it would have been a really tough go had the car been electric.  I said “Yeah, it would suck to be you, hauling the spare battery from the garage.”

Speed
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 6, 2022 6:16 am

Glad it worked out for you. Electric isn’t for everyone or every application.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:53 am

Try to convince our politicians of that.
Regardless, the number of people for whom electrics are a viable option is unsurprisingly small.

Speed
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 12:28 pm

Tesla has produced and sold more than 1.91 million electric automobiles.
https://fortunly.com/statistics/tesla-car-sales-statistics/

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:46 pm

Compared to the number of real vehicles sold during the same period, that is a very small number.
From what I’ve read, many of those sales are second or third vehicles that are only driven when one’s virtue needs to displayed.

Roaddog
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 11:49 pm

There’s a sucker born every minute.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 8:10 am

Reality bites!

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Speed
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 12:31 pm

Why would your electric car run out of electricity? What does United Airlines do when one of their 737s runs out of fuel? Oh. They just make sure that they don’t run out.

Bryan A
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 2:08 pm

But towing anything with an EV will negatively effect your distance on a full charge. If the next charging station is a mile farther than your EV towing distance allows, you will run out of charge. If you hit stop-n-go traffic that takes 2 hours to travel 30 miles, you could run out of charge. If you’re traveling in traffic on a very hot day and need to run the A/C you could run out of charge.

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Speed
Reply to  Bryan A
September 7, 2022 3:13 am

The same for IC vehicles. Plan ahead.

Speed
Reply to  DonM
September 7, 2022 3:15 am

Your point? Should we outlaw jumbo jets that fly on kerosene?

DonM
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 4:32 pm
D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Speed
September 8, 2022 5:40 am

Recall the “Gimli Glider”. Proof that the metric system can be nearly lethal! </s>

Gimli Glider – Wikipedia

Mr.
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 10:13 am

Electric isn’t for everyone or every application.

The voice of reason.

Why then don’t politicians share your view, instead of trying to mandate the adoption of EVs for all motoring, regardless of their circumstances?

Speed
Reply to  Mr.
September 6, 2022 12:39 pm

I don’t recall seeing a politician saying that we should adopt EVs for all motoring regardless of circumstances — at least not within a decade or two. Remember … there is no way to instantly turn off IC manufacturing and replace it with 100 percent EV manufacturing. There is no way to provide electric power to power the whole US car fleet with electricity without building lots of generating capacity and other infrastructure to support it.
You may have noticed that automobile manufacturers are still building millions of IC automobiles and trucks every year.

I suggest that you stop reading newspapers and watching TV/Cable news. If you like cars, get a subscription to Road and Track or Motor Trend. They have pages full of IC cars still in production.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:48 pm

So CA and several other states banning the sale of anything other than electric in a few years, aren’t saying that we should adopt EVs for all circumstances.

Mr.
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 2:31 pm

Thanks for setting Speed right on his claim of not seeing a politician saying that we should adopt EVs for all motoring regardless of circumstances.

Is not enacting laws such as California’s Democrats just did to only register EVs – outlawing ICE – from 2030 not requiring everyone to adopt EVs exclusively?

Speed
Reply to  Mr.
September 7, 2022 3:21 am

Check back in 2030 to see how badly this turned out. There will not be enough production to fill the need,

Political Posturing.

Speed
Reply to  MarkW
September 7, 2022 3:19 am

CA politicians can say what they want to get elected but, as with many other claims made during political races, there is no way that California or any other state can ban the sale of non-DVs in a few years. There is not enough EV production to replace IC vehicles.
Are you familiar with the term, “Tilting at Windmills?”

Roaddog
Reply to  MarkW
September 7, 2022 11:50 pm

Only the ones that require a car.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 10:47 am

True, but folks in the position of altering our lives, are working diligently to make it so.

Speed
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
September 6, 2022 12:40 pm

Are you referring to our elected officials? The people we vote into and out of office?

Bryan A
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 4:15 pm

Obviously referring to BaiDin the questionably elected official who was voted in by, not only the Dead but, more dems than some states have registered

Old Man Winter
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 6, 2022 7:06 am

“He remarked that it would have been a really tough go had the car been electric. I said “Yeah, it would suck to be you, hauling the spare battery from the garage.””

Congratulations on a job well done- he’s got a brain & knows how
to use it! Having been in his place, I also bet the motivation for his thought was that he saw himself as being the one who would have to haul that battery. Again, congratulations!

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D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 8, 2022 5:43 am

A week later, he noticed that the fuel gauge was showing the lit “get gas now!” icon. “Dad, I think we should stop for gas.” He’s beginning to pay attention.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 7:48 am

All you need to restart an ICE vehicle is a can of gas.
Electrics have to be towed somewhere. Assuming they can be towed.

Speed
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 12:46 pm

Why does everyone worry about their EV running out electric power? Isn’t that something that is under the driver’s control? How many times have you run out of gas in your driving career? I’ve run out once — it was a great story and it was decades ago.

I’d rather run out of battery in a Midwest US Suburb than run out of gas in the middle of Montana.

I’d much rather do neither.

TonyG
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:36 pm

Isn’t that something that is under the driver’s control?
But.is.it.always?.Are.you.saying.that.there.can’t.be.unexpected.situations.that.bring.you.to.that.point?

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:48 pm

Are you really this desperate to change the subject?

DonM
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 4:38 pm

Quote from Speed at 12:23 pm:

“I can’t remember the last time I ran out of fuel — because I’ve never run out of fuel.”

It took you 23 minutes to remember such a great story?

(something tells me that, when you get into a bind, you just make up another story…)

Speed
Reply to  DonM
September 7, 2022 3:22 am

I admit my mistakes. Sorry to disappoint you.

John Endicott
Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 3:07 am

Why does everyone worry about their EV running out electric power?”

Because cars running out of power is a thing that happens. Sometimes through the operators fault (ie under their control), sometimes not

  • Ever been stuck between exits in a traffic jam for hours? That’s not under the driver’s control. He/she didn’t get on that highway knowing that a big rig was going to overturn trapping him/her in a traffic jam for longer than his/her vehicles fuel supply would last.
  • Ever had to unexpectedly flee a disaster area (hurricane, wildfire, etc)?That’s not a trip one can calculate in advance for ones fuel needs.
  • Ever had to take an unexpected detour that take you miles and miles out of your way, over terrain you weren’t expecting to navigate? again, not something that you as the driver have much control over.

Bottom line: the real world can and often does disrupt even the best laid plans of mice and men.

BTW your comments “I’ve run out once” and ““I can’t remember the last time I ran out of fuel — because I’ve never run out of fuel.” completely contradict each other. Both can’t be true. Unlike unexpected driving situations that could leave a car out of fuel, lying is something that is under one’s control. I suggest you control yours if you want to be taken seriously.

Reply to  Speed
September 7, 2022 3:33 pm

Speed
But you can jump-start or add a gallon of gas/diesel to an ICE vehicle.
You can’t jump an EV.
IIRC during a winter storm on the East coast hundrerds of cars were stranded by snow for over 17 hours, and many ran-out of gas or charge trying to stay warm. Rescuers were able to get all the ICE’s cleared by adding 1 gallon of gas. All the EVs had too be towed (to a charging station).
I don’t recall whether towing was by flat-bed.

joe x
September 6, 2022 5:06 am

my personal doctrine is to never render assistance to an ev owner on the the side of the road. assistance will only enable them to continue to make bad choices with out consequence. i know this sounds harsh but how do you think us ice owners will be treated 10~15 years from now should this nut zero insanity continue.

Speed
Reply to  joe x
September 6, 2022 6:19 am

Ok. I get it. You have an opinion and are happy with it. Great!

Now, what is it you don’t like about capital letters?

Felix
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 8:54 am

Generally, spell checkers insist on “OK”, all caps.

Speed
Reply to  Felix
September 6, 2022 12:48 pm

Apparently, the Watts Up spell checker doesn’t …

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 9:08 am

Does being wrong so often make you this bitter? Or did you just start out that way?

Brad-DXT
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 11:48 am

It must be his turn with Griff’s brain today.

Speed
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 12:50 pm

I will admit that predicting the future is hard but until the future arrives nobody can tell me I’m wrong. Not that people don’t try.

Bitter? No. Bemused? Yes.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 9:09 am

“You have an opinion and are happy with it.”

Freedom of opinion, as long as it isn’t too dicey, is usually quite
common @ WUWT, as you may have noticed when ventured away
from the jerks on the Dark Side! I disagree with him but I realize he
may be trying to get some licks in before those jerks stick it to him.

My guess is that joe x has a great sense of humor & is actually
lampooning AOC. What do you think?

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Speed
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 12:53 pm

?

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 6, 2022 1:49 pm

Think about it for a minute.

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2022 4:41 pm

mebbe 2

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
September 7, 2022 3:10 am

You’re asking a difficult task for him.

Bryan A
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 2:12 pm

Best one yet!!!

mac
September 6, 2022 5:16 am

Fittingly ironic that the license plate is Washington DC.

Barnes Moore
September 6, 2022 5:16 am

Has anyone ID’d the driver and, how long did it take to get a charge sufficient to get the driver to a charging station? One photo I saw showed an extension cord running from a shack to the car. If they only had a 120v connection, it would take hours.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Barnes Moore
September 6, 2022 8:31 am

I’d ID him as one happy person to have this happen in Flyover Country where
he got to meet some of the wonderful people there, with at least some of
them being deniers/deplorables. He was gratuitous enough to accept the “Friend of Coal” plate they gave him. Hopefully, he returns the favor & uses it
to let everyone know of his good fortune.

Last edited 27 days ago by Old Man Winter
Barnes Moore
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 6, 2022 11:22 am

LOL!

ResourceGuy
September 6, 2022 5:48 am

Was the owner of the EV a coder? That would make it a perfect scene.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 6, 2022 5:49 am

Men and women who daily do hard work are always ready to help someone in need.

On a related note (article is paywalled):

Think Of Them As Town Cars

Mr.
Reply to  Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
September 6, 2022 2:37 pm

The original town cars were the 1st generation horseless carriages that were battery powered before Mr. Diesel enriched the world with his ICE.

Note – no government edicts were enacted to compel town car buyers to flock to the ICE versions.

RevJay4
September 6, 2022 7:20 am

P.T Barnum would be so proud of the EV folks. As he once said “there’s a sucker born every minute”, or something like that.
Purchasers of EVs are the living example of that proclamation. Along with the one “more money than brains or common sense”.
Do keep these EV owners away from guns and sharp objects. They could become dangerous to themselves or others. lol.

ResourceGuy
September 6, 2022 7:49 am

When do we get a deep ocean explorer episode investigating the sunken car carrier that sank with European EV fires onboard?

TonyG
September 6, 2022 7:55 am

Even.funnier.was.the.picture.of.the.car.charging.with.massive.piles.of.coal.in.the.background..

OK S.
September 6, 2022 9:06 am

Wonder if EV drivers should carry a spare ride?

Photo Source: https://www.baghera.co.uk/classic-pedal-cars/9-classic-green-pedal-car-.html

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Anthony Talarico
September 6, 2022 9:45 am

Something doesn’t make the smell test here, 1st what kind of EV was this and you can’t just plug a extension cord into a EV to charge it you need a special charger to match the car and I never seen one that plugs in under the hood. Looks like a fake story to me to bash EV’s

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Anthony Talarico
September 6, 2022 11:26 am

Can’t say I know the answer for sure, but I do know that the Prius my son drives comes with a conversion cord that connects a regular extension cord so that it can be plugged into his car. My guess is that Tesla or other hybrids/EVs have a similar cord included.

John Endicott
Reply to  Barnes Moore
September 8, 2022 3:51 am

The “special charger” (which most plug-in EVs come with) has a connection specific to the electric vehicle at one end and a standard plug (for plugging into the electric socket at home) at the other end, so contrary to the fake post you were replying to, yes you pretty much can “just plug an extension cord into an EV” as long as you have a plug-in EV and have the charging cord with you (which I assume most EV owners keep in their car when it’s not in use).

John Endicott
Reply to  Anthony Talarico
September 7, 2022 3:17 am

Eh? What are you referring to. The picture I see, shows 6 guys pushing a car towards a coal plant. No extension cords or special chargers to be seen (nor anyplace nearby to plug one in should an extension cord be available). Looks like a fake comment to distract from the story.

Slowroll
September 6, 2022 10:03 am

I posted this the other day, but it sure fits here….

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Slowroll
September 6, 2022 10:12 am

Another solution..

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littlepeaks
September 6, 2022 10:32 am

They should have just called AAA for assistance, so they could provide enough gas to get to the gas station. Wait a sec. I forgot that that doesn’t work for EVs.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  littlepeaks
September 6, 2022 11:27 am

They could just bring a 5 gallon can of electricity.

ResourceGuy
September 6, 2022 11:11 am

Get out and push the Large Hadron Collider too.
WSJ
Europe’s Energy Crunch Squeezes World’s Largest Particle Collider
CERN is drafting plans to idle its particle accelerators, including the Large Hadron Collider, if France runs short of electricity

—–

Real science is now being harmed by agenda science policy fail.

Bruce Cobb
September 6, 2022 12:42 pm

Surly, Shirley there was an irony mine closeby.

Speed
September 6, 2022 1:02 pm

An electric vehicle broke down in West Virginia on Friday, but a group of coal miners were quick to help out.

More electric cars run (indirectly) on coal than do gasoline cars. In March 2022 18.1 percent of US electric generation was coal powered.
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/electricity-sources-by-state/

Perhaps the miners were saying, “thanks.”

MM from Canada
September 6, 2022 8:31 pm

When you think about it, the premium EV owners pay of their own free will when they purchase their vehicles is like a personal donation to US coal workers.

Except that EV owners get a pass on road taxes.

observa
September 6, 2022 8:44 pm

Coal miners face a bleak future-
Aussie coal in permanent decline: report (msn.com)
according to the usual suspects-
IEEFA | Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis

Mining less for bigger bucks is a tough gig lefties. LOL.

ResourceGuy
September 7, 2022 9:08 pm

I overheard a service rep at Toyota dealership telling the caller that their battery would cost $5,000 to replace. The poor buyers of a used prius are waking up now.

Roaddog
September 7, 2022 11:53 pm

21st century car pool.

Reply to  Roaddog
September 8, 2022 7:01 am

Can they really do it?

Roaddog
Reply to  Brain
September 8, 2022 10:24 pm

No one is going to agree to be in your car pool if you drive an EV.

September 13, 2022 10:33 am

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