Why Red Meat Negative Health Claims are False

Guest post by S. Stanley Young and Warren Kindzierski

Summary

The World Economic Forum, assisted by food researchers in academia, wants you to believe that meat is unhealthy compared to soy, tofu, insect and fungus protein diets. Statistical workings of food research are presented here to show this is not true. Food frequency questionnaires (FFQs) are used in studies of population cohorts. Years later, this information together with health outcome observations are combined in statistical analyses. These analyses easily lead to over 20,000 food−disease associations tested in a typical FFQ study – called multiple testing. Researchers can then search thru and select and only report the results they want, but many of these can be false. Red meat is not unhealthy. It is belief of deceptive statistical practices and false claims from academic food researchers that are unhealthy.

Introduction

Kip Hansen’s recent WUWT article was dead-on about nonsense behind meat being a problem for climate change. The World Economic Forum (WEF), assisted by academics, wants you to believe that meat is unhealthy compared to soy, tofu, insect and fungus protein diets.

The WEF asserts that in the future “…meat will be a special treat, not a staple for the good of the environment and our health.” Academics claim that eating red meat causes mortality, numerous types of cancer (colorectal, breast), Type 2 diabetes, and the list goes on. Does this make sense?

There is a saying… math is hard. Well, as will be shown, statistics appears to be even harder for academic food researchers. A look inside the statistical workings of food research (nutritional epidemiology) is a way to show this and to address doubtful red meat−negative health claims.

Background

Many food claims – beneficial or harmful – are made based on observational study of large groups of people called cohorts. These cohorts are given a food frequency questionnaire, FFQ. A FFQ asks questions about different types and portion sizes of foods consumed. Years later food researchers ask about their health conditions.

They then perform statistical analysis of food−disease associations with the data collected. Surprising food−disease associations end up as published research claims. But are these claims true?

Unhealthy red meat claims merit special attention given the WEF’s fixation on it. Kip Hansen’s WUWT article pointed out an evaluation of red meat FFQ studies completed by the Bradley Johnston research group in 2019. It was an international collaboration examining red meat consumption and 30 different health outcomes.

The Johnston research group reviewed published literature, selected 105 FFQ studies, analyzed them and presented their findings in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. They took a position opposite to the WEF – studies implicating red meat were unreliable. Their findings created a firestorm among food researchers, who are mostly academics. More about that later.

Analysis

Statistically confirming the same claim in another study is a cornerstone of science. This is called replication. Given the potential importance of the Johnston study, it was recently independently evaluated in a National Association of Scholars report.

In the report, 15 of the 105 FFQ studies were randomly selected and subjected to counting of specific details. This included counting number of food categories, number of health outcomes and number of adjustment factors in each of the 15 studies.

Food researchers use various techniques to manipulate FFQ data they collect. Researcher flexibility allows food categories from FFQs to be analyzed and presented in several ways. This includes individual foods, food groups, nutrient indexes or food-group-specific nutrient indexes. It was found that there were from 3 to 51 (median of 15) food categories used in the 15 studies.

The number of health outcomes ranged from just 1 to 32 (median of 3) in the 15 studies. Adjustment factors can modify a food−disease association. Nutrition researchers almost always include these factors in their analysis. These factors ranged from 3 to 17 (median of 9) in the 15 studies.

With these counts, the analysis search space can be estimated. This is the number of possible food−disease associations tested in a FFQ study. It is estimated as estimated as the ‘number of food categories’ ´ ‘number of health outcomes’ ´ ‘2 raised to the power of the number of adjustment factors’.

The typical (median) analysis search space estimated in the 15 studies was over 20,000. A large analysis search space means many possible associations can be tested. Food researchers can then search thru their results and select and only report surprising results, but also most likely false ones as we now show.

Now the elephant in the room… many of these types of analyses are likely performed by researchers with an inadequate understanding of statistical methods.

A p-value is a number calculated from a statistical test. It describes how likely (the probability) you are to have found a surprising result. It is a number between 0 and 1. The smaller the number the more surprise (the greater the probability).

The normal threshold for statistical significance for most science disciplines is a p-value of less than 0.05. Researchers can claim a surprising result if the p-value in a statistical test is less than 0.05.

However, a false (chance) finding may occur about 5% of the time when multiple tests are performed on the same set of data using a threshold of 0.05. Five percent of 20,000 possible associations tested may lead to 1,000 false findings mistaken as true results in a study.

The practice of performing many, many tests on a data set is called multiple testing. Say 20,000 associations are tested on a red meat FFQ study data set. Normally only several dozen results from all these tests would eventually be presented in a published study.

Of course, some of the results would be surprising. For example, a wild claim that red meat may lead to complications associated with erectile dysfunction. Otherwise, their study might not be accepted for publication.

Given these many tests with 1,000 possible false findings and only several dozen results presented, how does one tell whether a result claiming red meat leads to erectile dysfunction complications is true or just a false finding?

Without having access to the original data set to check or confirm a claim, you can’t! The Johnston research group was right to call out red meat FFQ studies as unreliable.

Cue the firestorm. Nutrition thought leaders – from Harvard – badgered the main editor of Annals of Internal Medicine to withdraw Johnson’s paper before it even appeared in print. The editor held firm. The food research mob did not prevail.

Implications

Too many nutrition thought leaders, mostly academics, take a position that multiple testing is not a problem in food research. They teach it is not a problem. They are wrong, it is a big problem.

No problem for them, but massive disinformation problems for everyone else when false findings are claimed as true results. John Ioannidis from Stanford and others have called out multiple testing as one of the greatest contributors to false published research claims.

FFQ studies using multiple testing and claiming red meat is unhealthy are largely academic exercises in statistical flimflamming. Red meat is not unhealthy. It is belief of deceptive statistical practices and false claims from academic food researchers that are unhealthy.

There are over 50,000 food−disease studies published since the FFQ was introduced in the mid-1980s. Essentially all these studies involve multiple testing and are very likely false.

     S. Stanley Young is the CEO of CGStat in Raleigh, North Carolina and is the Director of the National Association of Scholars’ Shifting Sands Project. Warren Kindzierski is a retired college professor in St Albert, Alberta.

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August 11, 2022 7:27 am

Red meat is already a “special treat” for most of us.
Biden’s Inflation Reduction efforts have made sure of that.

On the Outer Barcoo
August 11, 2022 7:44 am

Recommended reading:
“Nutrition and Physical Degeneration” by Weston A. Price

August 11, 2022 7:47 am

I’ll just stay a second-hand vegetarian then:

  1. Cow eats grass.
  2. I eat cow.

Sorted!
😉

Derg
Reply to  Jeroen B.
August 11, 2022 8:47 am

😉

John_C
Reply to  Jeroen B.
August 11, 2022 4:13 pm

You are what you eat. I eat vegetarians. Therefore, I am a vegetarian.

MarkW
Reply to  John_C
August 11, 2022 9:24 pm

You eat vegetarians? That’s going to make Erast Van Doren nervous.

Erast Van Doren
August 11, 2022 7:47 am

The article is stupid and ignorant. No, it’s not the food questionnaires only, there are tons of high quality research that proves beyond doubts that meat, eggs, dairy, and fats in general are detrimental to human health.

The biggest killer of our time is, of course, heart disease. Plant-based nutrition can eliminate the disease completely! Check out “The cholesterol war” by Daniel Steinberg and “Cholesterol and Beyond” by Stewart Truswell.
Another killer is diabetes. Again, ditch the animal food, and you are safe. Please read “Mastering Diabetes” by Cyrus Khambatta.
Cancer? Meat is a carcinogen, while many plants can inhibit tumor growth. Check out the Dr. Greger’s work: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cancer/

The same is true for virtually every other civilizational disease. Here are some other books on the topic:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25663961-how-not-to-die
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12567860-the-starch-solution
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62345.Dr_Neal_Barnard_s_Program_for_Reversing_Diabetes
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59090.Prevent_and_Reverse_Heart_Disease
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25816777-the-end-of-heart-disease

Please stick to the climate science, and don’t tarnish your reputation.

Reply to  Erast Van Doren
August 11, 2022 12:53 pm

Meat, eggs, dairy, and fats (not seed oils) are the healthiest food you can eat. The biggest killer of our time is high carb, low fat diet. Low carb, no/low junk processed food, fasting and physical activity is a cure all.

LdB
Reply to  Erast Van Doren
August 11, 2022 6:48 pm

Most of that junk is based on Attribution Statistics which itself is unscientific and comes from the field of marketing.

Erast Van Doren
Reply to  LdB
August 13, 2022 3:07 am

We actually know the molecular pathways that cause the damage.

MarkW
Reply to  Erast Van Doren
August 11, 2022 9:26 pm

I’m guessing that you believe that a quality study is one that agrees with what you already want to believe.

Reply to  Erast Van Doren
August 12, 2022 1:31 am

Again, ditch the animal food, and you are safe.

Utter bollox.

Mankind has evolved to eat meat. Scientific nonsense cannot defy that simple fact.

Reply to  Erast Van Doren
August 14, 2022 8:09 am

I remember reading a summary of the famous Framingham study many years ago. One outcome was that low fat diets extend life by 2 weeks

August 11, 2022 8:17 am

I love animals, they’re delicious!

The bigger problem with the American diet I believe, without any erroneous statistical manipulations, is the over consumption of grains. Nothing will pack on the pounds like a big plate of pasta with a loaf of bread.

atticman
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 11, 2022 8:50 am

As W C Fields said,”I love children – but I couldn’t eat a whole one.”

Prjindigo
August 11, 2022 8:48 am

MR beef and MR-M pork contain the only antioxidant that the human body will actually absorb without digesting it down into basic components (oxidizing it). None of those antioxidants in any of those supplements or foods should ever make it past your stomach acid unless you forcefully over-eat.

Reply to  Prjindigo
August 11, 2022 1:40 pm

What is MR beef and MR-M pork?
When I do a search for the terms I just get restaurants and butchers.

John Dilks
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 11, 2022 4:20 pm

A wild guess would be MR = Medium Rare and M = Medium

JimG1
August 11, 2022 9:04 am

My grandfather was fond of eating the fat others trimmed off of their steak or roast. It killed him at 99 years and 9 months. Otherwise he might have made it to100.

Mr.
Reply to  JimG1
August 11, 2022 10:50 am

Why didn’t Dr, Fauci warn him about this earlier?
A disgrace to the profession of doom-mongers.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  JimG1
August 11, 2022 12:31 pm

The fact that humans enjoy the taste of animal fat suggests that it is good for them. The problem is that anything — even water — can be taken in excess.

Reply to  JimG1
August 14, 2022 8:02 am

I remember reading a summary of the famous Framingham study many years ago. One outcome was that low fat diets extend life by 2 weeks

Randall_G
August 11, 2022 9:33 am

Rules For Healthy Living

  1. Kill ’em.
  2. Clean ’em.
  3. Cook ’em.
  4. Eat ’em.
  5. Wear their skins.

Rules 1, 2, 3 and 5 are optional.

MarkW
Reply to  Randall_G
August 12, 2022 7:44 pm

#1 is important, unless you are into eating your food still alive.

August 11, 2022 10:03 am

Red meat is fine. The substitution of refined carbs instead of meat/fat in the 70’s has destroyed more lives than any other single factor.
All other factors aside, the vast majority of americans that have “died of covid” were obese.

Erast Van Doren
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
August 11, 2022 10:24 am

Optimal nutrition consists of 75-80% carbs, 10-15% protein and 10-15% fat.

Philip CM
August 11, 2022 10:56 am

High carb diet is killing the western world… but I’ve come to believe that that is the goal of the idealist, collectively.

Ed Bo
August 11, 2022 11:03 am

The best illustration of the possible problems with multiple testing is in this XKCD cartoon:

https://xkcd.com/882/

Another example is the attempt to find special patterns in the Hebrew bible as proof of its divine origins. They are proud of the fact that they have computerized the search so they could test millions of possibilities. Of course, they found some…

August 11, 2022 11:09 am

Yes the red-meat-illness theory is crap and we’ve known that for quite a while now. The basis for the theory was useless manipulated data that showed nothing of the sort. The early country- diet-heart disease studies where dishonest and selective in the data presented and when well constructed prospective studies were done, there were none of the expected health benefits tied to reducing saturate fat (a correlate of animal protein intake) in diet.

Over the past century the longevity of all societies has continually increased in parallel with an increase in the amount of protein (mostly animal sourced) in their diet. As for the environment – those countries with enough energy and food supply to consume more animal protein have also done the best job of lessening human impact on the environment. These are just correlations so not definitive proof that eating red meat is good for health or the environment, but they do provide convincing evidence that it is not harming health or the environment as the eco-zealots would have us believe.

August 11, 2022 12:21 pm

It’s the same with drinking too much alcohol or too much red wine is apparently bad for you but then a study comes out that a glass of wine a day is beneficial more than say drinking tea.
So basically when it comes to what I eat and drink is up to me and I think I follow a good diet which is varied with fruit & veg (local if possible), meat (chicken, turkey, pork, lamb, beef, goat, venison) pulses, pasta, potatoes, salad and fish (local & fresh). I don’t add sugar or salt to food and I don’t drink fizzy sugary drinks. KFC, Big Mac or takeaways are an exception.
What I do find strange is when we have friends to stay or we go to a restaurant with friends how finicky other people’s diet’s are, some won’t touch a vegetable, some won’t look at a fish some won’t eat red meat and others won’t eat anything “foreign”.
If I die due to my diet then on my death bed I’ll be forever grateful that I wasn’t forced to eat locust and fungus by Bill Gates (all though I wouldn’t mind trying it as a local delicacy on holiday somewhere).

Reply to  Galileo9
August 11, 2022 1:47 pm

After all the bugs Bill Gates subjected us to with his software, you would still trust him with something (supposedly) edible?

JoeG
August 11, 2022 2:05 pm

It’s animal agriculture as a whole that is bad for the environment. And that comes back to harm us. WUWT just had an article titled: “The Big 5 Natural Causes of Climate Change: part 4 Landscape Changes”. Animal agriculture is a huge player in landscape changes.

MarkW
Reply to  JoeG
August 12, 2022 7:48 pm

Animal agriculture is tiny compared to regular agriculture. Eliminate animals from our diet means a pretty sizable increase in the amount of land devoted to agriculture.

You are aware that cows are allowed to graze for most of their lives?

Beyond that, climate change is not a problem, natural or not.

Graeme M
August 11, 2022 2:10 pm

Are meat and dairy healthy foods or not? On balance and in moderation, I wouldn’t think they are unhealthy, but I’m no medical expert. Ideas such as veganism aren’t founded on health claims though, they are ethical concerns. And with good reason because while people ate animals for hundreds of thousands of years, they definitely didn’t farm animals the way we do today.

MarkW
Reply to  Graeme M
August 12, 2022 7:50 pm

Cows are let out to pasture for most of their lives, that’s the same way our ancestors raised cows.
Pigs are kept in pens, that’s the same way our ancestors raised pigs.

n.n
August 11, 2022 2:12 pm

Culinary justice

billtoo
August 11, 2022 3:06 pm

we should all switch to sea food.

Old Cocky
August 11, 2022 3:52 pm

However, a false (chance) finding may occur about 5% of the time when multiple tests are performed on the same set of data using a threshold of 0.05.

This is a bit tautological, because that’s what the 0.05 means. Rather than “However”, it would have been better to write “By definition”
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August 11, 2022 4:24 pm

When I see the menu at COP50+ has no meat in it then I will look for tofuburgers.

As for eating bugs, aren’t they meat as well?

niceguy
August 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Diabetes caused by red meat doesn’t even pass the smell test!
Mass diabetes cases is an extremely recent phenomenon. So there must be strong factors other than meat.
Now that doesn’t prove meat cannot ever cause the disease. But the other factors, unless properly described and quantified, make any analysis of meat as a factor completely worthless.

another ian
August 11, 2022 8:13 pm

I haven’t seen this before –

“The plan for removing meat and dairy from our diets is very unclear -IMO. Around 30% of all cows are in India, more and although Hindus don’t eat meat because cows are a sacred animal, they drink milk. Non-Hindus in India do eat meat as well as consume dairy. If the green movement wants to remove meat and dairy from our diets then India would need to be their major global focus, being by far the biggest producer. However, I’ve never heard anyone in the green movement discuss the religious, cultural or dietary impacts of imposing this policy on the people of India. If India is not included in the plan then there would be no point in imposing the plan on smaller producers such as ourselves.”

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/08/climate-control-speed-bump-vegetarian-women-were-33-more-likely-to-suffer-hip-fractures/#comment-2577010

mal
August 11, 2022 10:39 pm

I don’t know if it was this blog or another but a rancher pointed out if we feed grain to fatten up cattle, why do our nutrition scientist think that would not be true for humans. That what the change food chart did in the 1970 and after that obesity rules, more grain more fat.

MarkW
Reply to  JP66
August 12, 2022 7:55 pm

Unless you are arguing that the changes in meat consumption was the only thing that changed then your chart is close to useless.

guidoLaMoto
Reply to  JP66
August 12, 2022 11:38 pm

The chart, assuming we can trust the data, shows an absolute risk reduction of a mere 5-6%….(a) now show as a graph of all cause mortality changes–It’s zero risk reduction (I don’t have time to do your homework looking up the data)…and, (2) Now show us a graph comparing fat in diet vs misery & anxiety index.

guidoLaMoto
Reply to  guidoLaMoto
August 13, 2022 12:14 am

Here’s your homework– https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/102/6/1563/4555183?login=false

They use the stat trick of reporting Relative Risk Reduction to turn unimpressive fractional differences into impressive 2-digit percentage differences…Scroll down to the data tables for All Cause Mortality. Dietary fat intake & lipid levels are divided into quintiles. The All Cause Mortality Absolute Risk Reduction has a range of only 1.5% differences, with the lowest being the middle quintile (not statistically significant)….

…and in regards misery– vegetarians are 67& more likely to suffer from depression than meat eaters. https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/publications/vegetarian-diets-and-depressive-symptoms-among-men

MarkW
Reply to  JP66
August 12, 2022 7:55 pm

Same comment as before.

JP66
August 12, 2022 5:04 am

Effect of a diet high in vegetables, fruit, and nuts on serum lipids
Relationship Between a Plant-Based Dietary Portfolio and Cardiovascular Disease
Effects of cereal and vegetable fiber feeding on potential risk factors for colon cancer
Mediterranean, vegetarian and vegan diets . . . recommendations for lowering lipids
l enjoy this site as it is filled with many people whose understanding of climate and science is remarkable, but the resistance to the idea that a plant based diet is overall healthier than one that includes meat is astonishing to me. Yes, I agree eating meat is not a death sentence, but the evidence is pretty clear that eliminating processed foods is beneficial and so too is eliminating meat.

I had no idea how emotionally charged this issue has become.

Stanb999
Reply to  JP66
August 14, 2022 2:50 am

What does processed foods and plain cooked meat have in common?