Claim: A Total Victory for Socialism Could Save us From Climate Change

Essay by Eric Worrall

While the author admits that early 20th century socialism was not notably green, apparently the 21st century version could save us from climate catastrophe.

Would there still have been climate change under socialism?

Market failure certainly delays aggressive climate action, but even had the whole world in the 20th century been socialist, the planet would still be heating up.

By Leigh Phillips
10 August 2022
updated 11 Aug 2022 4:52pm

It is common to come across the notion, especially on the climate left, that humanity and the rest of the planet would not be staring down the threat of climate change if it were not for capitalism – from Naomi Klein’s best-selling This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate(2014) to the growing number of activists identifying themselves as “eco-socialists”.

There is however no evidence that this is the case. …

Consider this thought experiment. Let’s imagine that the 1918-19 socialist German Revolution that failed in the real world had in fact been successful. Rather than being attempted in semi-feudal, largely agrarian Russia, in our counterfactual history socialism emerges instead in the modern, democratising, industrial societies that Marx had predicted would be its birthplace. From Germany, socialism spreads across Europe and thence the world. To simplify matters for the sake of the thought experiment, let us define socialism as a global economy that allocates goods and services through democratic planning on the basis of need, not, as with capitalism, primarily via markets on the basis of profit. Furthermore, in our thought experiment, let’s give our socialists an additional, temporal advantage and say that capitalism is vanquished everywhere by, say, 1930. Democratic socialism is triumphant across the globe. There is no Soviet disaster. No Maoist famines. No Second World War. No Cold War. Colonialism is willingly, rapidly unravelled in the 1920s rather than reluctantly, incompletely, violently, in the 1950s and 1960s. There is no crisis of profitability in the early 1970s and thus no 1980s neoliberal revolution.

In other words, in our counterfactual world, production might have been organised according to other aims than profit (or much of it, depending on how far one favours socialisation of production), but this would in fact have unleashed much more production. And this of course was what Marx imagined when he expressed his frustration at how production for commodity exchange irrationally constrained what could be produced. Socialism would not have resulted in less production, for the set of all things that are profitable is smaller than the set of all things that are useful to humanity. Instead of coal plants powering factories largely only in Europe and the US by the 1930s, they would have been powering them everywhere. Development would have been limited only by global economic capacity at any given moment.

Putting all this together, the most we can say is that even though global warming would likely be worse under socialism by the time the full scale of its threat was discovered in the 1980s, the response would have been more rapid and more egalitarian than that of our existing capitalist world. 

Read more: https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022/08/would-there-be-climate-change-under-socialism

I’m not seeing much evidence of that “more rapid” socialist response to global warming in China, unless we count all the coal plants they’re building.

The author sneers at Russia’s agrarian backwardness as being the factor which caused the failure of the Soviet Union, but industrial backwardness was not Russia’s problem, after Stalin’s horrific modernisation programme. The nation which launched the first man into orbit, and brought him home safe, was not crippled by lack of technological capability.

Russia’s problem was socialism.

The author’s claim there would have been no famines under global socialism is also ridiculous. The Soviets couldn’t feed themselves, even though there was plenty of farming expertise available, especially in the early Soviet Union – Tsarist Russia was an agrarian economy. The rich Kulak peasants whom Stalin had rounded up and killed, or the small private allotments which were permitted in latter days of the Soviet Union, were always vastly more productive than the politically correct collective farms.

The explanation for the failure of Soviet collectivised agriculture is obvious. Food plants are fragile, if something goes wrong the intervention has to be swift and comprehensive. A farmer who stands to personally benefit from produce sales is highly motivated to treat blight or pest infestation as soon as it appears. But for an employee who answers to a collective, reporting blight just creates more work. Their punishment for reporting a problem is to have to work extra hours to fix the problem. So if the problem is small, it is always easier to ignore the problem, to pretend not to notice the problem, and pass the burden of working extra hours on to the next shift.

The thing about blight is it develops exponentially. A few infested plants very rapidly becomes an entire infested field. Days, even hours can make a difference to how far the problem spreads. With everyone trying to avoid having to work extra hours to fix the problem, by the time the collective farm manager notices there is a problem, and demands the workers sort it out, it is too late to save the crop.

China realised pure socialism could never work under Premier Deng Xiaoping, who allowed privatisation of agriculture to restore productivity, after watching the Soviet failures and the experiencing the Chinese failures. Deng justified his Capitalist reforms which saved China from socialist famine and launched the modern Chinese economic powerhouse, with his famous quote “it doesn’t matter whether a cat is black or white, if it catches mice it is a good cat.”.

China still imports a lot of food, but their partially capitalist agriculture sector is in much better shape than the Soviet system ever was.

Of course, it is possible a world dominated by global socialism would be like Cuba – a weakly industrial society, where medieval serfs suffer under an oppressive centralised regime. Greens frequently hold Cuba up as some kind of climate action icon, but the idea of the entire planet being run like Cuba is just too horrible to imagine. Even The Guardian admits Socialist Cuba has never been able to feed itself, they rely heavily on food imports, and always have. Cuba suffers the curse of collectivised agriculture producing poor yields, same as everyone else who has ever tried it.

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Serge Wright
August 12, 2022 5:48 am

Socialism rewards families who have more children by providing more money and larger accommodation. Whereas capitalism passes on the cost burden of raising children to the parents and that acts as a big lever to stabilise population growth. Emissions are directly proportional to population so we already know the outcome of such a shift, along with the poverty and removal of all freedoms that comes with socialism. You’ll own nothing and be happy with your 10 x 10 foot shared accommodation space and daily meal of fried insects after working in a labour camp of their choice for 16 hours a day.

Harry Passfield
August 12, 2022 5:49 am

Is that the kind of social environmentalism so beloved of frau Merkel when she lived in East Germany?

August 12, 2022 6:17 am

Funny how the success of socialism depends entirely on “thought experiments”. Meanwhile, in the real world…

Gyan1
August 12, 2022 6:25 am

The problem are people who want to do good without having a clue of what actions produce good in the real world.

Socialism is a race to the bottom with a dwindling number of producers trying to feed an increasing number of freeloaders.

Corruption causes a misallocation of resources and is present in any form of governance. Crony capitalism is the problem today which would only get worse with unelected bureaucrats ruling fiefdoms that micromanage every aspect of existence to the detriment of freedom and human development.

MarkW
Reply to  Gyan1
August 12, 2022 8:47 am

So called crony capitalism involves government using it’s resources to pick winners and losers in the marketplace.
That, in a nutshell, is socialism. Crony capitalism is nothing more than another name under which socialists hide.

John the Econ
August 12, 2022 6:30 am

Even the former Nazis couldn’t make socialism work any better than energiewende has.

August 12, 2022 6:34 am

Liars liars liars pants on fires.

All Socialists Are Pathological Liars

its where they claim to be sensitive and caring for everybody else when nothing, NOTHING, could be further from the truth.
They only care for themselves.

Tom Halla
August 12, 2022 6:38 am

The NSDAP was socialist, if not Marxist. Ideologues always imagine some form of socialism other than those that have actually existed.

August 12, 2022 6:59 am

Reading the comments here, Alexy Scherbakoff is taking fire for pointing out the “defects” of capitalism, despite his obviously not being a fan of socialism or communism.

I read Ayn Rand and absorbed her very accurate critique of socialism but was always disturbed by her seemingly cold and clinical “me first” idealized capitalism. It bothers me that we even use the term “capitalism” which was a derisive term coined by socialists to describe freedom and free markets.

There will always be those who for many reasons will struggle to survive. Life dealt them a poor hand like a profound physical or mental handicap and they will depend on the charity of others. Or they were born into circumstances that require extraordinary willpower and effort to overcome: severe poverty, physical or sexual abuse, etc. Or they have mental health issues, or they made choices (substance abuse, promiscuous behavior, etc.) that are difficult to overcome because of the long lasting deleterious natural consequences.

Socialism has no better answer for these people. Free societies with free markets offer the best solutions. With freedom comes both the opportunity for both narcissistic greed and selfless generosity. But experience has shown that the greedy are few compared to those who have charitable impulses. So we arrange our governments to offer “social programs” (not “socialism”) to support the poor and handicapped. It’s not a perfect solution because government bureaucracies are prone to extraordinary inefficiencies and corruption. Private charity and charitable orgnizations do this much better. But it’s a whole lot better than the ubiquitous problems of socialism that lead to societal poverty, which no one has ever solved, though the gullible keep thinking that they can get it right.

History has shown that free societies and free markets are vastly better at raising the living standards of all their citizens and fostering personal and societal charity while socialism reduces the living standards of everyone except the governing elite. But the problems I described above remain and it is up to us to figure out how much of our personal time and treasure we will give to help those who need it.

MarkW
Reply to  stinkerp
August 12, 2022 8:52 am

Alexy is under fire for proposing socialist solutions that don’t work in order to fix a problem that can’t be fixed without changing the people themselves.

If you want to help those who need help, go ahead and do it, Having government take money from those who have more than you do in order to give it to those you believe are entitled to help does not help those in need.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
August 12, 2022 7:00 pm

I haven’t proposed anything.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
August 12, 2022 8:12 pm

You haven’t proposed raising the minimum wage?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  stinkerp
August 12, 2022 11:20 am

… while socialism reduces the living standards of everyone except the governing elite.

In most instances, the living standards of the “governing elite” are totally dependent on the purchase of goods from countries that produce goods under a profit motive.

H.R.
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 12, 2022 10:58 pm

Tru dat, Clyde. If the GEBs (Globalist Evil Bastards) succeed in forming a One World socialist government, there won’t be any place left making the goodies that the ‘more equal’ people at the top get in their special stores.

The shelves of the special stores will be empty, too.

August 12, 2022 7:25 am

Leigh Philips is correct in a way: world socialism would give us so many more serious things to worry about that climate change would no longer even merit a mention.

Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
August 12, 2022 9:07 am

And that’s the irony the greentards don’t realize…

MarkW
August 12, 2022 7:43 am

Socialism has always been the goal. Global Warming is just the latest lie to scare the people into supporting more governement.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
August 12, 2022 7:59 am

A worthless solution for a non-problem. What could possibly go wrong?

Chris Foskett
August 12, 2022 8:13 am

The greens would be very happy with a communist world as the lack of food and medicines would reduce the population to less than 1 billion

Kevin Stall
August 12, 2022 8:16 am

Does the author think that Russian socialist wouldn’t be in confiction with moaist socialist? They started completing during Vietnam War.

Olen
August 12, 2022 8:18 am

The murder of an estimated 100 million people under communism/socialism is not a good thing and the convenience of one in charge to make it easier to get things done is a really bad idea. They had the power to do as they wanted with people and property which resulted in theft of property and murder of people.

Weather is something we enjoy or avoid, while a system where people serve the state is not enjoyed and should be avoided.

China’s success from a primitive world is a result of capitalism, payoffs and theft of intellectual property. Capitalism because their markets and technological advance has come from the Western world. Theft because Chinese students and scientists in the US convey what they learn here to China and China puts the pieces together for the full picture.

Phillips seems to live in a one dimensional world with a single goal and the world with people is not that simple.

August 12, 2022 8:18 am

Once the US is socialist, CCP style (we are already socialist in the EU style), there will be no more need for climate scaremongering.
So it will end.
A new more, scary boogeyman will be needed to maintain totalitarianism. Perhaps COVID II. or Heterosexual Monkeypox?
Or a predicted invasion of aliens from outer space?
(We already have an invasion of aliens from Mexico)
Or even worse, COVID unvaccinated zombies
who voted for Donald Trump.

H.R.
Reply to  Richard Greene
August 12, 2022 11:12 pm

Richard Greene: Or a predicted invasion of aliens from outer space?”

That one is being trotted out. There’s a commission or panel or something like that supposedly outing what the US government really knows about aliens and UFOs and has been hiding. I’ve caught a few bits on TV of the sputtering start.

Covid is losing steam, so I think Aliens From Outer Space (Oh my!) will soon be front and center. You need something to unite the people behind you. What better to unite the World than invading aliens?

ron
August 12, 2022 9:18 am

Environmentalism has become a religion and religions don’t worry about facts

ResourceGuy
August 12, 2022 9:51 am

I knew it. The Inflation Reduction Act is only a down payment. They plan to mine this vein of taxpayer gold for many years to come.

“It does exactly what the American people want us to do, which is to deal with climate change, deal with healthcare costs, deal with energy costs,” said House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth (D., Ky.).

Y. Knott
August 12, 2022 10:21 am

Yeah, just ask the people living around the Mayak Complex and along the Techa River how eco-friendly the Soviets were.

  • Oh; disregard – they’re all dead.
Steve C
August 12, 2022 11:33 am

As far back as 1621 it was obvious that communism wasn’t a sustainable social system. The Plymouth Colony’s charter with the merchants that financed the Pilgrims required the Pilgrims to ship products to England & all the property as well as production was owned by the collective. All nearly perished from starvation the 1620-1621 winter & spring. If it hadn’t been for the Wampanoag tribe’s generosity they certainly would have all perish. One leader of the pious Pilgrims who stayed in England to represent the Pilgrims with the merchants sailed to Plymouth the in 1621. He and the other leaders decided that the communal social structure wasn’t working so they allowed the colonists to own their homes & ag. plots. They just had to contribute production in excess of their subsistence needs to the colony. The leader, Robert Cushman sailed to Plymouth with his son in 1621 gave a sermon to the congregation that laid out the change just before he sailed back to England leaving his son behind. The son Thomas became the ward of William Bradford. Thomas married Mary Allerton and their offspring are the ancestors of all the Cushmans in the US today.

whatlanguageisthis
August 12, 2022 12:59 pm

A few first thoughts:
– calling the free market economy ‘capitalism’ is starting off by using the slur Marx had for the free market. He called it capitalism to make it a negative.
– calling the farmers of the USSR ’employees’ is an interesting and unique approach. Socialists always use the term workers, or laborers. You are only what you can do for the ruling elite to a socialist. You are either a party insider, a Socialist, or you are resource to be used by the elites.
– the assumption that socialism would be able to displace free society without resistance in this made up world is truly only possible in the mind of a socialist.
– the assumption that a centrally planned socialist economy would be capable of predicting needs, and then provide for those needs better than a free market, despite every single occurrence providing evidence to the contrary, takes a lot of faith for an atheistic political system.

whatlanguageisthis
Reply to  whatlanguageisthis
August 12, 2022 1:04 pm

Continuing my thoughts, the notion that in a pure socialist utopia, where a person is given everything they need without regard to what they provide, there would be people who would continue to strive and develop better technologies and new inventions when they know going in they will gain nothing more than they have by doing nothing is just laughable. There are vanishingly few people who will push themselves that hard for no gain. Granted, many people retire from their career, and spend their days manicuring a flower bed or lawn for the sheer enjoyment of being outside doing something instead of sitting around doing nothing. But no amount of rose gardens and dandelion free lawns will ever invent the smart phone.

whatlanguageisthis
Reply to  whatlanguageisthis
August 12, 2022 1:12 pm

I can imagine two ways socialism would be able to improve climate change. The first assumes that CO2 is the cause, and that humans are the primary cause through their own exhalations and the livestock and goods they consume over a lifetime. In this case, socialism’s blood thirst would likely reduce the total population of the world to such a degree that there would be fewer people, and therefore fewer consuming polluters in the world driving up the temperatures. The second way socialism would be able to improve climate change better than the free market is by simply claiming they have done it. Call up the writing staff at the ministry of truth, publish it in Wahrheit, and everyone in Eurasia would know that the party has defeated climate change.

Now get back to the fields, those weeds won’t pull themselves.

damp
August 12, 2022 5:39 pm

In other words, in our counterfactual world, production might have been organised according to other aims than profit

Free markets are the most efficient way to allocate scarce goods. Organizing production according to aims other than profit means organizing them inefficiently.

Socialism always makes people miserable, poor and dead. This is why.

Walter Sobchak
August 13, 2022 10:31 am

The socialists did take over Germany after WWI. In 1933 the national socialist German workers party, best known by their German intials as the Nazis, took over. Their reign of death and destruction should be an example to everybody what socialism does.

Of course half wits like the author above cited will say but we don’t mean that kind of socialists. We mean nice democratic socialists.

They are discussing vegan tigers. Mythical beats who have never existed and will never exist.

Nazi Germany was a real socialist regime, so was the Soviet Union, Communist China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Castro Cuba, North Korea, … The butcher’s bill is a quarter of a billion souls and counting.

And laugh at them when they try to claim Scandinavia. They are more capitalist than the United States. A comprehensive social welfare system paid for by eye watering taxes is not socialism.

And, no, none of the real socialist regimes were good for the environment.