Claim: Democrat Voters Disillusioned at Biden’s Broken Climate Change Promises

Essay by Eric Worrall

“Why haven’t Democratic politicians done more to prioritize this issue” – the dying gasp of a failing administration?

Why Democrats Are Disillusioned Over Climate Change

By Zoha Qamar
JUL. 22, 2022, AT 6:00 AM

Senate Democrats’ monthslong effort to negotiate a budget reconciliation bill with ambitious climate change provisions crumbled last week when Sen. Joe Manchin announced he wouldn’t back the proposed legislation. It now appears unlikely that Congress will pass any substantive environmental legislation ahead of this year’s midterm elections. And although President Biden did issue some executive orders on Wednesday to address climate change — and is expected to announce more in the coming days — activists have criticized those measures as not going far enough.

This lack of action on climate change is becoming a real problem for Democrats, as it’s something their voters really want. In mid-January, the Pew Research Centerasked Americans which among 18 issues should be a top priority for Congress and the president to address, and 65 percent of Democrats selected climate change, ranking it as their fourth-most-important issue.

For the most part, Democrats overwhelmingly support the Biden administration’s policies combating climate change: 79 percent, per a survey conducted by Pew in early May, said Biden’s environmental policies were moving the country in the right direction. The problem is that, even among Democrats who approve of the Biden administration’s approach, three in five (61 percent) still think the administration could be doing more — and this was even before Manchin torpedoed Democrats’ latest environmental policy efforts. 

This has created a situation where Democrats, especially younger ones, are dissatisfied with how climate change is being addressed. Younger Americans of both parties are more likely than older Americans to rate climate change as a top priority, and in the Pew poll from May, younger Democrats were also more likely to say that the Biden administration should be doing more. Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of U.S. adults under 30 said the administration should be doing more, compared with 54 percent of those over 65 who said the same.

Why haven’t Democratic politicians done more to prioritize this issue, given its importance to Democratic voters? Climate change just isn’t an issue other Americans prioritize.

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Its easy to laugh, I told you so. I mean, nobody who looked at Biden’s track record should have expected any actual achievements during his term of office.

But the fact so many young people are still worrying themselves sick under the delusion that the world is experiencing a climate crisis is way too tragic for me to feel much like laughing.

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Len Werner
July 22, 2022 10:09 pm

Imagine the several generations in the modern world who have been trained to be disillusioned with reality; climate will change as it always has and they can’t stop it.

How long before they realize they shouldn’t?

Bryan A
Reply to  Len Werner
July 23, 2022 12:56 am

He’ll be a 1 term president and the Dems will look elsewhere to replace him. He has been hobbled and the Dems eat their wounded.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Bryan A
July 23, 2022 6:55 am

They will likely use Brandon as a scapegoat for their own idiocies.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2022 7:16 am

Midterms are coming up.
Biden has been supported by the Dems in everything he’s done and tried to do.
They will blame him and hope the voters forget that fact.

July 22, 2022 10:09 pm

🤣🤣🤣 yeah, Bidan will fix it…

Reply to  Brad
July 22, 2022 11:03 pm

Before or after his afternoon nap?

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Dennis
July 23, 2022 1:52 am

Hope they gave him some ice cream.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 23, 2022 4:28 am

Destined to become a Classic!

Rick C
July 22, 2022 10:41 pm

After studying the data on deaths resulting from non-optimal temperatures from Lomborg and studies summarized at No Tricks Zone showing vastly more deaths due to cold than due to hot temperatures, it is criminal to advance any policies that prevent warming or limit the availability and affordability of home heating fuel. There are virtually no demonstrable drawbacks to warming of a degree or two over the past or next few decades. There is only speculation and scary computer model projections. These hysterical warming alarmist are planning on depriving millions of people of life saving warmth – affordable reliable fossil fuel energy – for nothing.

Reply to  Rick C
July 23, 2022 11:05 am

The warmest agenda is Anti-Human in its design. Depriving millions of people of life saving warmth is the objective among many others. The fact climate related deaths have decreased by 97% in the last century is exactly why the alarmists feel threatened and frustrated.

Helen van Loon
July 22, 2022 10:56 pm

It would be fun to laugh but I agree – the fact that so many are so frightened makes it hard to get any joy out of it. Same with the Covid fear. Permanent damage has been done.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Helen van Loon
July 23, 2022 6:51 am

‘Permanent damage has been done.’

Hopefully not permanent. One of the major benefits of ‘capitalism’ is that you could truly be a complete dick, but if you wanted to thrive under that system, you had to at least act like a reasonable person in order to successfully transact with others.

Alexy Scherbakoff
July 22, 2022 11:07 pm

The latest news in Scottsdale, Tasmania is that Malakai is going to shave off his beautiful mullet for charity, at the local pub. There seemed to be no mention of climate change associated with this event.

Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
July 22, 2022 11:11 pm

He will probably notice cooling at the neck.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Dennis
July 22, 2022 11:19 pm

We will all miss the swish of hair from side to side as he sashays around the town centre.

Coeur de Lion
July 22, 2022 11:45 pm

There is no prospect whatever that the rise in atmospheric CO2 will be checked. So we had better get used to it. Luckily ESC is so low it doesn’t matter.

Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 23, 2022 12:41 am

Are the West’s politicians aware that both India & China do not believe in their fairy tales & will continue to add to the CO2. already in the World’s atmosphere.

There is only one atmosphere, so as the Indians & Chinese put it in, are we to try to take it out ?

So what are the Western politicians up to ?

Is it a Giant Virtue Signalling exercise ?

Michael VK5ELL

Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 23, 2022 8:07 am

It’s not a virtue signaling exercise, the west is handing the US and European industrial base to what used to be called the 3rd World but is now a rival called BRICs.
These new industrialized countries are happy to have the prosperity it brings and will be even happier with the power and influence it gives to provide the goods the west depends on.
At some point the liberal bureaucrats of the G7 will realize their ability to craft rules and regulation to create order in the world has been a slow walk to a “Chamberlain” moment when the BRICs tell the west you live by your rules, we’ll by ours.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 23, 2022 8:26 am

and not noticing the 200 new coal power stations being built in China and Asia.

Old Man Winter
July 23, 2022 12:46 am

By the time this poll was taken, gas was > $5, Europe was already facing a major energy shortfall
for this coming winter, & $250k EVs were getting subsidies. Currently, Granholm’s cheering record
gas prices & inflation that’s destroying the middle class & Gina McCarthy saying Brandon will ‘move
forward with every power available to him to make the change and shift to clean energy” & get rid
of fossil fuels. These lunatics are certifiable & it’s a good thing climate is at the bottom of sane
people’s concerns. I hope they stay dissatisfied or get red pilled!

Rod Evans
July 23, 2022 1:10 am

The Democrat voters have only themselves to blame.
They failed to take on board their own past President’s warning.
“Never underestimate Joe’s ability to ‘F’ things up”.
Probably one of the most accurate observations and warnings Obama ever gave.

Reply to  Rod Evans
July 23, 2022 8:30 am

These are Obama’s policies. Joe is along for the ride.

Reply to  Derg
July 23, 2022 4:12 pm

I agree these are the sorts of policies Obama pushed, but he’s just another puppet

July 23, 2022 1:37 am

I don’t understand what they are moaning about.There is nothing to stop them going full into climate change mode, and cutting everything out of their life that causes climate change. Why don’t they just do that.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Sparko
July 23, 2022 6:58 am

They can start by doing their own personal parts and cease breathing.

william Johnston
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2022 8:23 am

I wonder how many tons/year that would save.

Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2022 8:31 am

This ^^^^^

Steve Case
July 23, 2022 2:51 am

“Younger Americans of both parties are more likely than older Americans to rate climate change as a top priority, and in the Pew poll from May, younger Democrats were also more likely to say that the Biden administration should be doing more. Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of U.S. adults under 30 said the administration should be doing more, compared with 54 percent of those over 65 who said the same.”

There’s a disconnect somewhere. This WUWT post pulls up a link to this survey:
The New York Times/Siena College Research Institute where you will find
on Page 4 Question #15 that asks:

  “What do you think is the MOST important
  problem facing the country today?”

Climate Change ranks #17 of 24 named problems listed and 1% of persons surveyed.

However, a Google search on various iterations of “Public Opinion Polls” does show “Climate Change” a leading concern.

So is “Climate Change” a leading concern or way down the list?

Paint me confused.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Steve Case
July 23, 2022 3:39 am

As always, it’s a major concern until you tell people what it will cost then, then they smile while sliding sideways out of the room

Reply to  Steve Case
July 23, 2022 4:52 am

The answer is in the question that is being polled.

Poll #1:
Scientists say that we have only 10 years to keep the Earth from burning up. Should the Government do more to save us? Yes/No.

Poll #2:
Which is more troubling to you-
A) Putting food on the table tonight.
B) The Earth may get warmer in 80 years.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  hiskorr
July 24, 2022 5:28 am

“Poll #1:
Scientists say that we have only 10 years to keep the Earth from burning up. Should the Government do more to save us? Yes/No.”

Another rigged poll question.

If I trusted “scientists” I would answer yes, too.

Fortunately for my mental health, I don’t trust alamist climate scientists at all. In fact, I have a huge distrust of alarmist climate scientists so would scoff at such a biased question, that assumes the “scientists” know what they are talking about..

Reply to  Steve Case
July 23, 2022 5:04 am

I noticed that too. Every poll I have seen the full results of shows concern over climate change at or near the bottom. Being 4th here makes me wonder if they only asked 4 questions.

Reply to  Felix
July 23, 2022 5:47 am

No, they asked only 2 questions, and Climate Change came in 4th. 😉

Steve Case
Reply to  Felix
July 23, 2022 7:07 am

 Being 4th here makes me wonder if they only asked 4 questions.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! First chuckle of my day (-:

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Steve Case
July 23, 2022 9:52 am

Which polls that are shared with the public depend on the propaganda meme the MSM are trying to spin.

July 23, 2022 3:57 am

All we’d need to stop is stop power from going to the top 10 American cities for several hours per day. We’ll call it necessary green energy conservation and part of the incredible transition Dear Leader has promised. Meanwhile, we’ll make sure the farmers and truckers (those NOT going to the cities) have plenty of cheap fuel to do what needs to be done. Sold properly, the cities might accept the punishment was “good for the planet”.

David Dibbell
July 23, 2022 4:04 am

“But the fact so many young people are still worrying themselves sick under the delusion that the world is experiencing a climate crisis is way too tragic for me to feel much like laughing.”

Agree. Climate dysphoria has become a real thing, and the young people are suffering most from the intentional conditioning toward the debilitating beliefs they now express.

Reply to  David Dibbell
July 23, 2022 8:55 am

Don’t worry, they are too distracted trying to figure out what gender they want to be.

July 23, 2022 4:27 am

There oughta be a law (or Constitutional Amendment). “If you don’t know what you are talking about you can’t make laws about it.”

Reply to  pochas94
July 23, 2022 5:49 am

We’d soon be a lawless nation if your wish came true.

Reply to  H.R.
July 23, 2022 8:48 am

Right, but we do need a dominating military, well trained police, and laws governing civil discourse.

July 23, 2022 5:31 am

I have no trouble laughing and mocking anybody who believes the CC rubbish….All I can feel is contempt for the ignorant fools.

July 23, 2022 6:42 am

<i>This lack of action on climate change is becoming a real problem for Democrats, as it’s something their voters really want.</i>

However much they want it, they are not going to get it. Because, would they only realize it, its global in scope. Nothing any US President does is going to materially affect the scale of global emissions.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  michel
July 24, 2022 5:38 am

And that goes for every other Western nation on Earth. If all the Western nations stopped CO2 emissions, CO2 would still rise in the Earth’s atmosphere. The Western nations are “spinning their wheels” and bankrupting their economies in the process of trying to reduce CO2. The rest of the world is laughing at us.

Our leaders are fools, or are using the CO2 “crisis” as a means to other ends. Either way, we need to vote them out of power as soon as possible, or we will all be going off the cliff with these fools and charlatans and criminals.

July 23, 2022 6:51 am

Happily, saying the govt should do more is not an expression of deep concern. And climate is only fourth for some, among enviro problems, which may rank behind other problems. So there is little evidence here of widespread climate concern. Just some tricky poll rhetoric.

July 23, 2022 7:08 am

I am reminded of Kip’s recent essay:


The “findings” of this particular “poll” appear completely out of sync with broader polling of the electorate (which of course also must be questioned). The writer, Zoha Qatar is a 20-something “journalist” working for that esteemed, unbiased entertainment corp, ABC in New York, previously employed at the NYT. Graduated from Columbia in 2019 in comparative literature and computer science. Clearly, she is deeply embedded in the climate propaganda cabal.

Here is her personal webpage:

Rich Davis
July 23, 2022 7:43 am

I know, right? Demonrat voters’ FOURTH highest priority! I remember being totally pissed off when Trump didn’t do enough about my fourth highest priority (whatever that was), so I can see their point. It’s the only possible explanation for Brandon’s approval rating falling almost to AOC’s IQ.

Michael in Dublin
July 23, 2022 8:06 am

Eveything is politicized by incompetent politicians and activists that are divorced from reality.

Sadly, this is deluding young people and raising their level of anxiety.

It has, like a cancer, spread through our institutions of learning, art galleries, and even museums.

Even The National Museum of Mathematics (Manhattan, New York), informs those visiting its website that among its main concerns are “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” and “Black Lives Matter.”
If I were to set up a Mathematics museum, my goal would be to give children a love of Mathematics and help them to master and use it. The same should apply in education to all the sciences. No child should complete their education without being able to marvel at climate and weather and understand how they contribute enormously to our lives. They should see the lunacy of trying to engineer climate and the benefits of adapting to and using weather conditions.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 23, 2022 9:35 am

This is no doubt a preemptive defensive tactic to save their windows being smashed and their building graffitied.

Because as is now common knowledge through observation, leftists engage in rational debate about issues by rampaging in the streets, bashing people, torching vehicles, smashing windows, burning buildings, and taking videos on their phones of anyone defending themselves.

The media describes this debating style as “mostly peaceful”.

Michael in Dublin
July 23, 2022 8:13 am

The real reason to be disillusioned?

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Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 8:41 am

The fundamental—but almost totally ignored—problem is that nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, has yet specifically defined what “climate change™” is.

Most people, especially AGW/CAGW alarmists, like to imagine that simply reducing man-made emissions of CO2 into Earth’s atmosphere will “control climate”. Nothing could be further from the truth.

First off, regarding the fact that increasing atmospheric CO2 levels have accompanied increasing global temperatures, as has been oft said: correlation does not equal causation.

Second, there is no scientific—ahem!—consensus that man-originated CO2 emissions have been the predominant cause of increasing global temperatures, only speculation that this might be happening. In fact, accumulating hard, observational data is showing that this is very likely not true . . . just look at how the IPCC climate model predictions have diverged from reality within 5-10 years, and the growing number of “pauses” or “hiatuses” in warming despite a smoothly and continuously increasing trend in measured atmospheric CO2 levels.

Finally, the hubris of certain humans to imagine, let alone to proselytize to others, that man can control global climate is just stupefying. To wit, someone please state the realistic technology and intervention processes that will be used to control any one of the following:

— climate change related to AMO, PDO and other ocean/atmosphere interactions

— climate change related to variable volcanic eruptions and undersea hot vents activity (and associated greenhouse gas and particulate/aerosol emissions) on planet Earth

— climate change related to the Sun’s longer term (>30 year periods) sunspot/luminosity cycles known as “Gleissberg”, “deVries”, “Eddy”, “Bray” (formerly “Hallstatt”), and “Sanchez-Sema”

— climate change related to variability in Earth’s geomagnetic field and how such, in turn, affects cloud formation in Earth’s atmosphere (theory, with supporting evidence, put forward and advanced predominately by Henrik Svensmark)

— climate change related to Dansgaard-Oeschger events (~ 1500 year interval) and loosely associated Heinrich events

— climate change related to the three major Milankovitch cycles of Earth’s ephemeris with respect to the Sun

“If you can’t define something you have no formal rational way of knowing that it exists. Neither can you really tell anyone else what it is. There is, in fact, no formal difference between inability to define and stupidity.”
— Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 9:40 am

Thanks for that quote from Pisig. I’m going to use it.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 9:58 am

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

July 23, 2022 8:42 am

Anyone who wants to eliminate fossil fuel use can stop using them right now. There’s no need to involve the gubb’mint.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  H.R.
July 23, 2022 10:00 am

Yes, if they had the courage of their convictions, they would lead by example. However, most probably don’t realize the consequences. I’m reminded of the saying, “When the gods wish to punish us, they grant us our wishes.”

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  H.R.
July 23, 2022 10:13 am

“Anyone who wants to eliminate fossil fuel use . . .”

. . . in their personal life would necessarily involve the need to:
— stop purchasing any mass-produced vitamins or drugs, even those deemed to be life-critical
— stop purchasing any mass-produced, store-purchased food and/or beverages (including alcoholic drinks)
— stop purchasing any mass-produced clothing and shoes
— stop using any grid electricity or fossil-fuel-powered home generators
— stop using any utility-provided or commercially-sold natural gas, propane, fuel oil, or gasoline (good luck to your with long winters in colder climates)
— stop purchasing any batteries of any type
— stop using the Internet/Web and other technology-dependent communication equipment, including that otherwise needed to file property and income tax returns and pay taxes/receive overpayment checks from taxing authorities
— stop using the US postal mail system and all other mail/package delivery systems, including that otherwise needed to file property and income tax returns and pay taxes/receive overpayment checks from taxing authorities
— stop using the US banking system to hold any savings and to buy/sell securities or other investments via US financial institutions, as well as to obtain personal loans/mortgages
— stop using any fossil-fuel powered mass transportation or personal vehicles of any type (auto, motorbike, bus, rail, aircraft)
— stop purchasing any medical/vision/hearing health items, computers, cell phones, appliances, utensils, tools or hardware, electrical wires or cables, and all other commercially-available items/equipment
— stop using any community-based governmental or private potable water delivery system . . . get your private water well drilled and functional
— stop using any community-base governmental or private sewage collection/processing service . . . get your outhouse/septic tank ready for use

Won’t it be loads of fun if one decides to “eliminate fossil fuel use” in their personal life?

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 1:05 pm

Uhhhh, Gordon? They want fossil fuel use eliminated in our lives, not theirs precisely for the implied consequences you listed.

Oh, and they are nuckin’ futz.

What’s that old prayer? “Lord, make me to be a good, moral person… but not just yet.”

Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 8:50 am

During his election campaign, Joe Biden repeatedly promised US citizens that he would “follow the science”.

I wonder if any of his voters, especially Democrats, are “disillusioned” over that lie?

Rod Evans
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 1:23 pm

Due to his poor delivery skills when it comes to public speaking, the final word of his commitment was not clearly heard, or reported.
What he said was.;
“When it comes to climate, I will follow the science… fiction”.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 8:59 am

Vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases
— Oxford Languages on-line dictionary (my underlining emphasis added)

Joe was both vaccinated and “boosted” against contracting COVID-19 and on more than one occasion publicly proclaimed words to the effect that “Everyone should get the vaccine: it is safe and effective”.

I wonder if Joe himself is now disillusioned with his previous advice in this matter.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 23, 2022 10:07 am

He should use it as an illustration that he didn’t understand what the word “effective” meant. His expectations were unrealistic. All vaccines have some small incidence of side effects and less than 100% protection against catching the disease. In this situation, the virus is mutating rapidly, further reducing the effectiveness. FJB was not an intellectual heavyweight to begin with. He is now clearly dealing with dementia. He is a figurehead that is being manipulated by those behind the scenes. It is a sad state of affairs that the MSM contributed to.

July 23, 2022 9:20 am

It is not just climate change young people have been convinced by the left to support and worry about. Many worry about the entire left agenda of destruction not realizing they go down with it.

Public schools have ceased to be schools preparing the young for adult life and have morphed into the image of degradation.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Olen
July 23, 2022 11:19 am

I see schools having three tasks:
 •  giving children a broad foundation of knowledge – frame of reference – on which to build when they either go for further education or have to learn practically in a work environment
 •  helping them to think, reason and work things out
 •  prepare them to be responsible adults

only then will they be ready to properly apply their minds to politics, social issues, economics etc.

July 23, 2022 9:57 am

Young democrats are also the least likely to vote. That’s why democrats invented election month because election day is too inconvenient for them.

Andy Pattullo
July 23, 2022 11:05 am

Underlying this phenomenon are important drivers that allow or encourage young people to believe in an unproven doom on the doorstep. If we don’t recognize the failure of education to teach critical thinking, the failure of media to objectively report the truth, the failure of the political and administrative class to govern according to the law and for the best interests of the citizens and the failure of voters to make their choices objectively and for their own best interests then we will never solve this issue.

Steve Reddish
July 23, 2022 4:11 pm

“Younger Americans of both parties are more likely than older Americans to rate climate change as a top priority,”

Americans in general need to think about why it is the young that are most concerned about “climate change”.

Why is it that older Americans, who have supposedly lived through the climate changes, are not as concerned?

Since the young only know what they have been taught, not having actually experienced any climate change, the blame for their concern must fall squarely upon the education system.

Critical Race Theory isn’t the only “subject” that needs to be purged from our schools.

John the Econ
July 23, 2022 8:39 pm

This makes no sense. If Democrats are so hot for action on climate change, then why is >$5 gasoline a political problem for them? High-priced fossil fuels are part of the solution, or do they not understand this?

Tom Abbott
July 24, 2022 5:01 am

From the article: “Younger Americans of both parties are more likely than older Americans to rate climate change as a top priority,”

The young ones are a little more susceptible to propaganda and brainwashing. And the alarmists are making a big effort to propagadize them about the climate, with some success.

Repeat a lie often enough and some people believe it. Those afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome are a good example of this type of mind manipulation.

Trump said last night in a speech that the Climate Crisis was a HOAX! He made fun of those who try to claim that severe weather events are evidence of human-caused climate change.

This is good news. This gives conservatives incentive to question the climate change crisis. Note that Trump is not questioning that CO2 might have some role in the climate, he is rather questioning the connection between CO2 and severe weather.

I think this is a tack that needs to be taken by the Republicans. The Republicans should scoff at the alarmist claims of a connection between CO2 and the weather and can successfully challenge the alarmists to prove their claims, which we all know they cannot do. All they can do is make more claims. Republicans should expose the inability of alarmists to connect CO2 to severe weather events. Just saying is is so, doesn’t make is so, and Republicans should hold the alamist’s feet to the fire. Make them prove their claims that CO2 is causing the heatwave in the U.S. and Europe.

Trump calling the climate crisis a HOAX is the first step. Everyone should get on board this “Climate Crisis is a HOAX” train.

Biden says there is a climate crisis. Trump says it is a hoax. Let’s have this discussion, and no doubt we will, now that Trump has planted his banner.

I think Trump is going to run for president again. I’m going to vote for him if he does.

July 26, 2022 10:36 am

The sad thing is Uncle Joe can’t explain why he is only doing 3/4 speed damage to the country on behalf of special interest group donors. His Party wackos want the full bore leap from the cliff and then blame (retire) Joe on the bad outcomes.

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