It was totally predictable that the media would start screeching the usual screechiness they employ whenever there is a heat wave anywhere in the world. Some headlines were a bit over the top:
A meme was inevitable. The meme this time comes from “global warming is hitting us full in the face”, from this article in the UK Guardian comes an emergent meme on Twitter:
Except, if you just move East of the UK several hundred miles, the “global heating hitting you in the face” is not so much…of course they wont tell you that a cold outbreak is right next door.
No one can deny this very weird weather. The media are screaming climate change and C02, what is the alternative explanation?
Very weird weather?
Almost every day, and there are several organizations that ensure that a friendly media knows about it, there is very weird weather of some sort in some location.
Once the hysteria dies and if someone (not in the media, of course) who is genuinely interested in understanding climate bothers to do the legwork, he’ll find that record high temperatures are no more likely today in any location at any specific time than during the rest of recorded weather history (which is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of this planet’s history).
What’s new is the hype and dramatic map colors and calls for emergencies during one of the few times during the year when it’s genuinely uncomfortable to stay home. Wear a hat, put on some sunscreen, get out to the beach and enjoy.
In the US, of course, calling it an emergency would result in well deserved ridicule. We tend to have hotter summers and colder winters. Most of us have air conditioning or easy access to air conditioning. That’s not the case in northern Europe, because it just wouldn’t get much use. As you get a little further south, many homes have those nice solid exterior shades for windows.
In the US, of course, calling it an emergency would result in well deserved ridicule. We tend to have hotter summers and colder winters.
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Please stop buying into the bullshit. Warmer winters and cooler summers is the case in the United States. The IPCC tells us
IPCC AR4 Chapter 10 Page 750
Temperature Extremes
Almost everywhere, daily minimum temperatures are projected
to increase faster than daily maximum temperatures, leading to
a decrease in diurnal temperature range
This graphic is 5 years old, but a redo would probably show the
same thing:
Huh? Joe was talking absolute temps. You are talking diurnal range. The range from min to max can decrease while *still* being hotter and colder than in Europe!
GAT increases because the low temperatures increase, especially at night, in winter and at high latitudes. Even if you stipulate to their CO2 BS, the heatwave hysteria is just BS on top of BS.
As I have said before, the usual suspects are making a real sing-song of a slight warm period of 150 years in our 4.5 Billion year history!!! Still awaiting a response from two so called Climate Scientists to tell me when in our 4.5 Billion year history the Earth’s climate stayed the same & never changed, it’s been over two years now & not a word!!!
Forgot to add, the UK record was measured at London’s Heathrow airport, a place covered in concrete & tarmac, which as we technical bods know absorbs heat far better than fields & grasslands!!! Of course nobody in the UK meedja bothered to mention that, it don’t sell newspapers nor airtime!!!
The first mention of a new record was at Charlwood which is adjacent to Gatwick airport and the most recent record was at Coningsby which is an RAF base. Tells you everything you need to know.
the weather station at Coningsby is about 20m north of a tarmac runway with a 15 mph southerly wind at the time. Some such airfields have had to suspend operations due to tarmac melting ! You do not need a physics degree to work out why the air is not.
For tarmac to “melt”, it would have to be asphalt, not concrete.
Tarmac is made of tar — the clue is in the name (TarMacadam is the full name, after its inventor). I remember roads melting frequently as a child in the UK.
I suspect that we now get our tar from France and it has a higher softening point. That means it doesn’t get soft in the summer and does not run together. Which means it is more brittle and breaks up into potholes.
JF
Asphalt *paving* is almost indistinguishable from tarmac. Both are a conglomeration of liquid oil and rock/stone aggregate. Tar is made from melting organic material and distilling it. Bitumen (the main ingredient of asphalt) is made from distilling oil. Not sure most people could look at samples of each and tell the difference.
I remember that too. I bet todays snowflakes don’t know how to get melted tarmac off a childs fingers?
When the concrete starts to melt, we are in deep shizen. That’s the point at which I will convert to the AGW religion.
Technically, it is called asphalt concrete. Asphalt is just the binder, which is mixed with aggregates to form asphalt concrete, the stuff that is used in pavements commonly called “asphalt”. Calling asphalt concrete asphalt is similar to calling ordinary concrete, cement. Cement is just the binder and when mixed with aggregate is called concrete.
Indeed, Coningsby has a lot of concrete and tarmac and perhaps more significant, while not as busy as, say, Heathrow, the aircraft use reheat for take-off and that adds a few degrees to the jet efflux.
With respect to Charlwood, it lies just north of the western end of the runway but due west of all the infrastructure buildings. The breeze yesterday would have been blowing Gatwick heat away from Charlwood but I could not say whether Charlwood already sits within the Gatwick heat zone. I know in driving the 8 miles from my house one evening it was 4C warmer over there in premises surrounding the airport. I got a 4 minute peak of 101.9f yesterday afternoon and 2.5 hours of 100f and above.
Charlwood has its own airfield, known as charlwood valiance.
Well the previous record was broken at about 34 stations, not all of which are at airports, Gringley on the hill for example is in the countryside and recorded 40.1. That tells you what you need to know.
A rather surprising article by the BBC on Heathrow”s ‘Heat island effect’:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44980493
The mention Kew Gardens which is 8m from Heathrow. It maxed at 38 deg C.
We were in Scotland in 2019 when A supposedly record temperature was recorded until someone produced a photograph of the place where reading was taken showing an ice cream van exhaust blowing onto the location of the weather instrumentation. At which point, records ceased to be mentioned.
All the high temperatures recorded were all at airfields. They all had concrete runways, or tarmac
I still maintain that 40+deg is common – but not reported – at places where concrete abounds to say nothing of race tracks – height of Sumer, little wind ……not difficult to be very hot, especially if the air is from the Sahara region.
The heat trap in front of my garage is regularly 50+ around 1800 at this time of year and the thermometer in the open garden which gets the sun late afternoon regularly tops 35 most sunny days from June to early October.
That in the middle of France.
I don’t think anyone would argue that yesterday’s UK figures were exceptional but it would only have taken a degree or so difference in wind direction and a minor difference in air pressure and we’d be saying “nowt special”!
The media are doing what they supposed to do (I should know), attract readers. It’s the Met Office that ought to know better!
To me the problem was the Met Office – they have had a string of failed predictions going back several years and then they predicted 40C+ temperatures. Of course they were going to do their damnedest to make sure those temperatures went over 40C, even if they had to use dodgy aircraft and UHI contaminated sites and fudge the numbers a bit. Woohoo – the Met Office got this one right!
And Heathrow is part of the global mass of mankind (in terms of concrete, asphalt and the like) which overtook the global biomass in 2020. Urban heat effect writ large. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-3010-5
Isn’t the temperature recording station between the northern runway and the northern perimeter road?
I saw a headline yesterday that was calling it a “heat apocalypse”, that one made me smile
I wonder where the points of ignition came from for all these fires. The implication of the reporting seems to be that the air is hot enough for dry grass etc. to ignite spontaneously but that’s nonsense. Remembering Australia’s big fires recently, I know where my suspicions lie.
I’ve spent most of the day trying to disabuse people of the idea that anything which would normally be found even on overgrown waste ground can spontaneously combust at 40°C!
Make things worse, yes; start a fire, no.
in spite of what I’ve just written about the media there is no justification for deliberately misleading readers with headlines that suggest that heatwaves cause wild fires. What causes any fire is an initiator which may be lightning strike but otherwise involves human agency in some way — accidental or (more often) deliberate!
86% of the forest fires have a human origin, either accidental or criminally intentional.
Everyone can experiment that an ignition attempt of a bowl of gasoline even if the local temperature is at 50°C, cannot succeed unless a spark or a flame will trigger the ignition.
The fire triangle – oxygen, fuel, ignition. Remove any one= no fire.
That is odd. Here, where a brief soujourn into the upper 90s and beyond is uncomfortable but happens once or twice a summer, it’s not associated with fires. I’ve never even heard that one before.
Honestly, I suspect that group of climate fanatics that keeps sitting down in roads and slashing tires. They’ve said many times that if an innocent person dies from their actions, it’s acceptable because their cause is so important.
Plus, they know perfectly well that the police will protect them from harm or from prosecution. And the media’s been on every spark in seconds – they’re likely being tipped off and perhaps even suggesting easy targets themselves.
Many house fires are caused by overloaded electrical outlets. With all the use of fans (and probably bad electric cords) my bet would be electrical sources for many of the fires. Many of the fans had probably not been maintained because of little use and could have failed (shorted out) and caused fires as well.
When we speak of “weird” or “extreme” weather we are being misleading and disingenuous. Weather comes in all shapes and sizes, hot and cold, wet and dry, stormy and calm. It is like the discovery of the platypus some two centuries ago. The fact the no one had ever seen a mammal anything like this before did not mean it was not part of the mammal kingdom. Why should this creature be singled out and viewed as weird while there are such enormous differences between mammals. Similarly with weather. Actually we do not have a climate problem but a language problem. We misuse and abuse language to prop up bad science and confuse people.
“weird” means nothing , claims nothing and is not a falsifiable claim. Any claim which is not falsifiable has no scientific value.
Greg, thanks for this key statement. Michael Faraday began as a boy doing experiment after experiment testing claims. Seems there are few scientists of his honesty and calibre around in the UK today.
It is really weird how Griff can keep believing the British politicians who have stuffed up in almost every way must be right about the weather and climate.
funny then how this weird weather keeps repeating and gets worse across the UK and Europe…
What are your references for that claim griff? Not everyone that has studied the subject agrees with you:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/13/new-study-on-the-basis-of-observational-data-the-climate-crisisis-not-evident-yet/
Based on your ‘logic,’ we should probably be concerned about being fried by our own sun by 2050:
A ‘direct hit’ of radiation from the sun has formed a solar storm around Earth (msn.com)
We get warm air from the South during the Summer and you want to call that weird? Are you a weather denier, Griffy?
Happy in the south facing office today in the UK with shirt and tie on, windows open on 2 sides , although the tie was on the slightly
looseside. Nothing compared to my days in across good old Saudi, or Egypt.Just go check the MET office daily mean temp graph and see how its reasonably normal, in fact it just managed to get back up to not noticeably above that upper boundary.
Now you come up with a lame “weird” weather claim because that is all you have left to run on there is NO climate emergency which Willis Eschenbach proved decisively a year ago:
Where is the climate emergency?
Right now, it is 101F (38C) which is typical weather in my area, yet no one is screaming about it because it is easy to deal with it.
I keep my place cool running an undersized SWAMP COOLER thus a comfortable 77F (25C)
Grow up stop being scared so easily!
Yes. We never had all this hysteria and panic before the IPCC was set up by the UN. Both of which being political institutions and known to have been infiltrated by Leftwing/Marxist covert activists.
It is therefore not surprising that one can longer believe anything published by the media these days; as it all just repetitive propaganda.
You said it yourself – weird weather – and the records probably mainly UHI effect
To take your question seriously, the statistical distribution of weather is not a normal distribution. Its long tailed, in both directions, warm and cold.
So we find over the centuries occasional episodes of great storms, clusters of hurricanes, great freezes, great heat waves. There is nothing weird about one of these showing up. Its perfectly normal. Every 30-40 years in any location you choose you will probably get some weather event that is extreme by the standards of the recent past. Because these are infrequent, though perfectly normal, they attract attention and searches for explanation and allegations that something has changed.
It hasn’t. All that has happened is that we are taking too short a timetable for our calculation of what counts as normal.
Paul Homewood has performed a very useful service in resurrecting previous UK extreme events over the last few hundred years. Each one of which would have seemed to the people at the time as perfectly extraordinary. They were not, they were just part of a normal weather pattern with occasional perfectly normal extreme events.
That’s how weather is on planet Earth, at least in the temperate climates.
You can see this mechanism going on in the media in the UK at the moment. They have had three days of unusually high temperatures. Its probably the most extreme heat wave since the last extreme one, in 1976. This one is shorter and a little hotter than the 1976 one.
The Guardian and BBC are full of apocalyptic predictions about how this is the future and its going to get worse and hotter and hotter. No reason to think so. Its just a heat wave. There have been such things before and there will be again. Just as there have been extreme late snowfalls and extreme cold periods in winter.
If you like, what was the explanation of the great heat wave of 1976? Or of the thirties in the US? Or of the Arctic melt of the 1920s? Or, perhaps more controversially, of the Roman and Medieval Warm periods, and the Little Ice Age?
They are all perfectly normal events in a climate which is changing all the time.
We are as a species very bad at properly estimating the risks of events which are very rare but of high price when they happen. For instance, driving a bit too fast to get to an appointment on time.
This is what is going on with the hysteria about a couple of warm days, or weeks. People think they are much rarer than they are, they take too few precautions against them, and so when they happen people freeze or railway lines buckle… and so on.
Someone who gets it! Thanks. Weather has a large range and a high variance. It can still be a normal curve (though likely isn’t) but the next expected value has a large interval within which it can occur (thus the long tails).
When you are speaking globally, the poles contribute to a cold tail much longer than the hot tail. There are mechanisms that trigger cooling rainfall when the oceans get to 30 deg C.
That’s why I said (though likely isn’t). Thanks for clarifying with a scientific reason.
Yes, even the so-called “extremes” and “records” have very small measured differences from what was recorded in past events.
It’s an inconsequential technicality if a recent “hottest evah” afternoon is 0.003C hotter than the same date recorded 100 years ago.
An interesting aside to your point, michel. If “global warming” started in 1980 (or thereabouts) why has it taken 40+ years for another “freak” event like 1976 (and remember it was actually a ‘double header – 1975 was just about the same) to come along.
Statistically, if our climate “experts” were correct 1976 should have repeated itself at least half-a-dozen times since then.
Actually I’m not sure it was even a heatwave under the modern rules – it would have to have gone on for 1-2 more days and nights to qualify.
It would have to exceed the local threshold temperature (90th percentile) for three days, I think the highest value for that anywhere in the UK is 28ºC.
3 or more consecutive days and nights. I don’t think it qualified.
What very weird weather?
Because the world is obsessed with climate change, everyone is measuring every temperature fluctuation mankind would hitherto just not have bothered about.
It’s navel gazing, dissecting hundredths of a ºC, obsessing over atmospheric CO2, and claiming it’s all catastrophic.
The ‘unprecedented’ Indian heatwave in 2015, which lasted for two months, claimed 2,018 lives from heat exhaustion, from a population of 1.3Bn. Extreme poverty is still rife in India.
Every year, as regular as clockwork, and with very little if any extreme poverty, the UK counts Excess Winter Deaths, largely from cold related conditions (including hypothermia in an industrialised nation which is about the 7th wealthiest in the world) in the tens of thousands, from a population of 65M.
The alternative explanation is that far too many experts who don’t understand the question are providing ludicrous answers like, let’s starve the population of Sri Lanka because eliminating Nitrogen fertiliser is better than a slightly warming planet. The same is now being proposed in Holland.
Agenda 21 is behind it all, a one-world globul guvment, run on Socialist principles, i.e. the wealthy ruling elites will enrich themselves even more at the expense of the peasantry!!!
“We find relatively little increase in deaths caused by warmer weather and a reduction in deaths caused by cold winters, leading to a net decrease in deaths: in contrast there was a net increase in hospital admissions linked to warmer weather, especially from injuries.”
(eg, people jumping from bridges into rivers when it’s hot).
“the worrying trajectory predicted by climate scientists is already affecting health in England and Wales” (they just had to put that in didn’t they?) “however in the UK’s cool to temperate climate, mortality is limited and appropriate policy and behaviour changes could mitigate much of the health risk from increasing temperatures.”
UK Office for National Statistics (ONS) ‘Climate-related mortality and hospital admissions, England and Wales: 2001 to 2020’ Jan 2022..
4.5 billion years of the earth existing, we are a mere micron of a pigeon shit in the middle of the pacific I contrast.
Just because you and your Nan (child’s word for a grandmother) can’t remember anything like it, it doesn’t make it weird.
For the greenies, history began when they were born. Personality disorder?
Wrong question.
The media are screaming climate change and C02, what is the
alternativecorrect explanation?As I have said before, I cannot take any so-called scientist who says the giant fusion reactor (we haven’t built one yet & possibly never will do) at the centre converting thousands of tons of Hydrogen into Helium every second, & possesses over 99.9% of the mass in the Solar System has no effect on our planet, but the UK’s glorious & infallible Wet Office says it only affects our weather but NOT the climate!!! For me, I believe the Wet Office has embarked upon a process of predicting everything & anything so they have covered their arses, using weasel words like, could, may, possibly, etc!!!
SimpleSimonsays, the weird weather appears almost certainly to be due to a strong, multi-factor, atmospheric circulation event. The heatwave over western Europe is coming from NW Africa and the cold over eastern Europe is coming down from the northern polar region, so normal counter-clockwise rotation (with the wind at your back means the low pressure is to your left) means a low AND high pressure sequence are causing an unusual, but not unknown, weather event. Wait a while and it will be cold or hot again, because both weather and climate are complex and chaotic.
A random occasion of double loop in the jetstream chunneling hot air all the way from Sahara to the North West Europe.
Happens in winter too when it’s sending freezeng cold air from Arctic all the way to the South of Europe.
These events are hardly to do anything with tiny increase in the global temperature, since looping of jet stream is governed mainly by the Coriolis force (Earth rotation), seasonal temperature raise/fall, energy radiated upwards from oceans, energy coming down from the sun, and feedback from leading to trailing section of the loop.
Put all together looking from down here to up there, as good as a random behaviour.
Two words – Rossby waves.
The reason for my question is without a counter explanation the ground is ceded to the climate alarmists. The facts are the temperature records are unprecedented so hysteria is driving the media cycle and scaring the population. So what do I say to my UK friends ( who call me a raving mad denialist) as to why this happening?
An objective evaluation would show that few things are unprecedented in some sense. Records are made to be broken.
But heat island effects are real. That air conditioner exhaust or jet exhaust is hot is a consequence of having those modern marvels, as well as thermodynamics.
Queen Elizabeth II is setting records every day. James Lovelock of Gaia fame turns 103 years old on the 22nd. Blame global warming.
“Records are made to be broken.”
CAGW alarmists simply do not understand this!
How about pointing them to the map above showing temperatures over Western Russia well below seasonal averages?
Or you could point them to trucks stuck in snowdrifts in Argentina and Uruguay experiencing lowest temperatures evah — or at least since records began!
Don’t let them put you on the defensive. They made the claim without proof.
This “record” heat is not proof nor confirmation that Man’s CO2 is causing it.
If they say it is, ask them to explain just how the all time high for Columbus Ohio is 106*F set in 1934 and tied in 1936 yet the all time record low is -22*F set in 1994.
IF the rise of Man’s CO2 is causing CAGW, shouldn’t those years be reversed?
PS You might also remind them when the hype about Man’s CO2 started back 1988, the threat was “Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming”.
When Nature didn’t cooperate, “The Pause”, they started to call it “Climate Change”.
“PS You might also remind them when the hype about Man’s CO2 started back 1988,?”
Haha I think you mean James Hansen.
Exactly, the meme that CO2 is bad has become a religion. Joe Biden might be giving you a run for your money.
You have it backwards it was Wallace Broecker who popularized the term Global Warming with his 1975 paper, “Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?”
Not by me (at least) it isn’t !
– – – – –
[ Option 1, which is also my personal favourite … ]
As Carl Sagan put it so long ago, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.
It’s up to them to show that their bald assertion (/ completely unjustified assumption) is in any way, shape or form “true”.
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[ Option 2 … ]
The “burden of proof” fallacy goes something like :
1) Person A says “X is true”
2) Person B says “Here is some empirical evidence that would indicate that X is more likely than not to be false”
3) Person A responds with “No ! No ! No ! You have to prove that X is (definitely, 100% guaranteed certain to be) false ! ! !”
No “we” don’t.
One of the “axioms” of logical arguments is that it is impossible to “prove” a negative.
– – – – –
[ Option 3 … ]
Maybe try for an inverted “Argument from incredulity” (AKA “Proof by lack of imagination”) approach ?
The “official” argument from incredulity goes something like :
1) “One” cannot imagine how X could be true.
2) If X were actually true then “one” could imagine how X could be true (because “one” is omniscient and infallible …).
3) X must therefore be false.
If you tweak this a bit and then invert “true” and “false” it becomes :
1) ***I*** cannot see what else could cause [ insert Bad Thing here ] other than X
2) Therefore the only possible explanation for [ Bad Thing ] is X
A suitable reaction from “us” would be to paraphrase Michael Valentine Smith :
“Thou art not god …”
– – – – –
[ Options 4 and 5 … ]
“Just because …”
or
“Because quantum …”
When discussing GW with the average person, regardless of their position, I’ll discuss
Climategate which exposes The Team™ as a bunch of lying politicians, not scientists,
whose goal is to win at any cost. I’ll then discuss areas where there isn’t any
disagreement on facts but Greens never discuss as it would undermine their positions
These include both the benefits/dangers of more/less CO2 & (1000ppm = 2x growth @ 350ppm;
170 ppm 15kya- barely > 150 ppm needed for C3 plants => 0 food & O2) & warming (MWP &
today vs LIA; 10x more deaths @ extreme cold vs hot). Then I ask them if any Greens ever
told them these facts since BOTH sides agree upon them & why they withheld such important
facts? Is it because what they’re telling you is propaganda & these facts undermine
reducing warming & the CO2 they blame for that?
Any facts you know cold, like the missing heat in the tropopause, lack of correlation
between CO2 & T over the past 600M yrs, etc., is an added plus. Be prepared to counter the
propaganda they’ve been fed with counter facts which will neutralize their facts. The
key is to plant seeds to give reasons to doubt the integrity of the sources they rely on
for their facts. While they probably will still disagree, they probably won’t discuss it
with you again as your argument has an edge thay can’t overcome. The person you may affect
most is a third party who’s actually looking for facts & not just a chance to argue.
If I know they’re fairly green, I may open with the fact I think bad drinking water is
obviously a real problem that hurts a lot of people to let them know I’m not totally
anti-green/heartless, especially if the facts support what is being promoted (fact- 2/3 of
the world’s people have parasites, mostly from bad drinking water).
Climategate emails:
Tom Nelson- URH corner
https://www.conservapedia.com/Climategate_emails
WUWT- using site search- 2 examples:
Bishop Hill’s compendium of CRU email issues 11/22/09
Over 250 noteworthy Climategate 2.0 emails 1/6/12
https://climateaudit.org/2014/09/06/the-original-hide-the-decline/
Simon, with friends who aren’t up to speed on history or generally how the planetary system works, you have to resort to basic analogies to explain things to them.
Example –
they’ve no doubt heard of “rogue waves” at sea.
These are unusually large & powerful waves that have been known to capsize large ships.
Rogue waves are definitely a thing, but even the most skilled mariners or oceanographers can’t predict when or where rogues might occur.
They are a product of “dominant variables”, that is – wind directions & speeds, current directions & speeds, water depths, ‘lenghts’ of swells, and even cross-directional swells from very distant hurricanes, typhoons, cyclones etc.
Rogues occur when there is an instantaneous confluence of some of these variable drivers of sea conditions. They stack together to create an “abnornal” event. But not one that is “unprecedented” or that will not reoccur at any time.
Earth’s atmospheric “oceans” operate in the same way, and sometimes produce “rogue” events.
The weather and climate systems are, however, operating normally.
Variables sometimes collide and collude.
(here endeth the parable)
“Unprecedented” only in the time scale of wide-spread quantitative measurements. That is, recently.
And cell phone videos.
“So what do I say to my UK friends ( who call me a raving mad denialist) as to why this happening?”
The UK will cool off in a few days. When it does, ask your UK friends to explain why it cooled off instead of just getting hotter, since CO2 is increasing and is supposedly the source for this heat.
The obvious answer is CO2 is not causing the warming in the UK. Rather, it is a high pressure system that is temporarily sitting over the UK and western Europe which is causing the exceptional warmth.
When the high pressure system goes away, the hot temperatures will go away. The CO2 had nothing to do with this weather activity. The CO2 will still be there when the region cools off. If the CO2 is still there, then why isn’t the heat still there? Have your UK friends explain that.
“The UK will cool off in a few days. When it does, ask your UK friends to explain why it cooled off instead of just getting hotter, since CO2 is increasing and is supposedly the source for this heat.”
I would say to them go and get a basic understanding of the difference between weather and climate. Put simply, one is short term and one is long term.
So you admit the last couple of hot days is just weather and can be ignored? If you say it can’t, then you have to explain away the cold further East.
See all the logical reasoning above please. And then tell them to STFU because the UK is almost always cold, dank and dreary with wind.
“So what do I say to my UK friends ( who call me a raving mad denialist) as to why this happening?”
Explain to them that the scale of natural variability dwarfs the human forcing. The attribution of individual weather events to an infinitesimal trace gas is preposterous pseudoscience.
“Explain to them that the scale of natural variability dwarfs the human forcing. The attribution of individual weather events to an infinitesimal trace gas is preposterous pseudoscience.”
Your comment captures why the term “climate science denier” is so apt for people like you. There really is no other phrase that could capture your state of mind.
Space is always available here at WUWT for ANYONE who wants to post empirical, verifiable, replicable observations or tests that demonstrate when, where, how and why movements in atmospheric CO2 content over any timespan, and no other variables, have ever directly caused, or will ever directly cause, significant changes in climate(s).
I’m bookmarking this comment Simon, in eager anticipation of you, or ANYONE ELSE filling this void with the content as described above.
I’ve been waiting since my profound disappointment at the Climategate emails in 2009 to have my respect and faith in the scientific method restored.
Please help if you can.
Ta.
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Simon.
You’re kidding right?
All you have to offer is a graph construct offering –
Land average temperature, with 95% confidence interval
Simple fit based on CO2 concentration and volcanic activity
Look it is really quite simple. The (almost all it seems) world has moved on quite some time ago from questioning whether CO2 is warming things up here. It is. The argument from skeptics now is that this warming is not a problem. Which is why the likes of Watts, and Spencer argue we have nothing to worry about, rather than going down the “it is only a “trace gas” bullshite.”
It started warming in the 19th century, when our CO2 emissions weren’t supposed to matter. What caused that warming Simon? Why did it switch itself off and hand over to us in the 1950s when our CO2 emissions were supposed to start making a difference? I’d love to know your reasoning/excuses.
“it is only a “trace gas” bullshite.”
It’s an empirical fact that CO2 is a trace gas.
Understanding what drives weather and climate changes requires quantification of the variables to try to estimate what is going on. Physicists who have done the line by line calculations on CO2’s radiative flux show that it doesn’t have a strong enough forcing to produce the strong positive feedbacks assumed in climate models. That’s why they have never been observed in the real world and why models overstate CO2’s warming potential.
Individual weather events have thousands of variables interacting to produce them. CO2 is one of the smallest of those variables.
Only the uneducated don’t know that the scale of other variables dwarfs the human forcing.
“Physicists who have done the line by line calculations on CO2’s radiative flux show that it doesn’t have a strong enough forcing to produce the strong positive feedbacks assumed in climate models.”
Oh please. Which physicists. I bet they don’t work in the field of climate.
“Only the uneducated don’t know that the scale of other variables dwarfs the human forcing.”
Really. Climate science is probably the most microscopically studied science going on at the moment. And you think they somehow all got the basic premise that CO2 is causing warming wrong? OK name a few climate scientists/physicists who say you are right otherwise don’t waste my time.
Why can’t you understand that nobody is saying CO2 can’t cause warming?
“Collision and radiative processes in emission of atmospheric carbon dioxide”
B M Smirnov
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/aabac6/meta
“The contribution to the global temperature change due to anthropogenic injection of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, i.e. resulted from combustion of fossil fuels, is approximately 0.02 K now.”
William Happer also ran the numbers and showed that CO2 has little ability to cause the temperature increases the IPCC claims.
“The Impact of CO2, H2O and Other “Greenhouse Gases” on Equilibrium Earth Temperatures”
https://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo?journalid=298&doi=10.11648/j.ijaos.20210502.12
“The HITRAN database of gaseous absorption spectra enables the absorption of earth radiation at its current temperature of 288K to be accurately determined for each individual atmospheric constituent and also for the combined absorption of the atmosphere as a whole. From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O,”
“This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature”
That 95% confidence level is nothing more than a best-fit metric for the trend line. The graph does *not* include uncertainty intervals for the stated values which are used to generate the trend line. Add those uncertainty intervals to the graph, at least +/- 1C (i.e. an interval of 2C) and you have no idea of what kind of a trend line you actually have. Just blank out everything between 10C and 8C and see if you can actually see anything since 1850!
Now the colluuuusion clown becomes a climate denier…awesome.
DIIIIIRRRRGGGGEEEE!!!!
A religion indeed. Have you found your colluuuusion 😉
DIIIIIRRRRGGGGEEEE!!!!
You are still dumb dude. Colluuuusion clown again
We lack the grid cell resolution to quantify the human contribution accurately. Because natural variability is so much larger than the tiny human forcing it must be modelled. The error bars on the assumptions in climate models are larger than the effect they are trying to isolate. My state of mind is fine. How did you allow brainwashing to shield you from what is common knowledge?
The idea people like me who insist that science be validated by empirical measurement can be dismissed as a science denier is an example of preposterous pseudoscience.
Does it not concern you that you would not be able to find a sane scientist on the planet who would agree with your “CO2 couldn’t possibly warm the planet” bollocks? Just asking.
Got a cite for your “sane scientists” claim, Simon the Zealot?
Got a name of a sane scientist in the field who thinks CO2 does not warm the planet? I could give you half a dozen skeptic scientists (Spencer, Christie, Curry…), but none of them are so removed from reality (bonkers) they think CO2 plays no part in the recent warming.
No cite then, not a surprise.
“CO2 couldn’t possibly warm the planet”
How did you come up with that from “the scale of natural variability dwarfs the human forcing”?
Because that is what he does. He puts words in people’s mouth (i.e. makes up strawman arguments) so he can argue against those words instead of what people actually say.
It’s the only thing true believers can do because they have no facts supporting their delusions.
He didn’t say CO2 doesn’t have an impact. He said the impact is hidden within the uncertainty interval.
You just created a strawman to argue with, which seems to be your favorite tactic.
gyan: you nailed it!
The end result is the same. Gyan1 thinks CO2 is not causing the warming. He thinks it’s influence is so small (only a trace gas) it can’t possibly be the culprit. He’s wrong. Thousands of peer reviewed studies clearly say he is wrong. He doesn’t want to read those he would rather play in la la land. That’s fine but don’t tell the world how silly you are without the possibility of being held to account.
“Gyan1 thinks CO2 is not causing the warming.”
Where in any comment I’ve ever made do you see me indicate that CO2 has no effect?
The subject of this thread is the attribution of an individual heat wave to climate change. I clearly stated why that attribution is pseudoscience.
The fact that you are unable to comprehend my comment is why you have so easily fallen for unscientific propaganda.
“the warming”
What “the warming”?
The issue isn’t “whether” but “how much”!
If AGW was at the level the climate alarmists (and the climate models show) state then wouldn’t be seeing pauses in the temperature rise. Those pauses can only occur if *other* factors are at work – things like cyclical processes that we don’t even recognize let alone understand.
If T ≠ CO2 then the functional relationship you want to believe in is wrong.
If T is a function of CO2, Factor_a, Factor_b, Factor_c, …, Factor_z then what *are* all the other factors and what is their relationship to temperature? We already know that clouds are one factor that the models don’t handle properly, they have to be parameterized, e.g. some kind of average value is used. Since chaotic systems are very sensitive to input values then what kind of result do we see from wrong parameters?
Pat Frank went through this in detail. If even one input parameter is wrong or uncertain then that wrong input or that uncertainty compounds through every annual iteration the climate model is put through to get future values.
The pauses show that Frank was correct. *Something* is causing the temperature rise to pause and the climate models are simply unable to reproduce the pauses. Since CO2 is the PRIMARY factor in the models then something is wrong with that.
“Thousands of peer reviewed studies clearly say he is wrong. He doesn’t want to read those he would rather play in la la land.”
I’ve studied the peer reviewed literature on every aspect of climate for 25 years. La la land is climate crisis propaganda. There is no support for that in the published studies.
Attribution studies are some of the poorest quality research in the history of science. They are based on false attribution and circular reasoning which ignores the research that would invalidate their conclusions.
OK… well… look you enjoy where ever it is you are living.
I’ve travelled the world and have enjoyed nature everywhere I’ve been.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Come back when you figure out what “trace” means, genius.
Monte the moron
I know what a trace gas is. And I know it is not the size that matters… and I am guessing that is a good thing for you.
Coluuuusion hoax boi reaches deep and pulls out a pen!s lame.
So erudite, so stupid…
Who is Ray Epps, Simon the Zealot?
A broken man it seems
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supporter-ray-epps-january-6-conspiracy-theory-ruined-life-2022-7
Lol…the colluuuusion clown has new fake news story.
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Lol..have you found colluuuusion again. It’s so funny how you fell for it.
Can’t wait for the Jan 6 hearing today. Will it be as explosive as last time. I sooooo hope so. Talk tomorrow…
Soviet-style show trials are right up your alley, commie.
FED! FED! FED! FED! FED!
Well Carlo what did you make of todays hearings? I’ll wait with bated breath.
I’ll tell you what I thought. Trump was slaughtered by his own team. The man who demands loyalty got none today.
‘weird weather’ is a pleonasm.
Could be the resurgence of witches. A few hundred years ago, they caused all the weird weather, so they say.
But it was really the GHG emissions let off by all those bubbling cauldrons.
But fortunately, they killed them all then instead of putting them on probation.
Alice Springs in Australia just had 15 days below 0, breaking the record of 11 – in 1976.
It’s weather. If anything, the mechanism of the GHE for creating the warming will have a greater effect on minimum temperatures of cold days rather than maximum temperatures of hot days, but both are imperceptible without a thermometer (and a global one, to boot). Models do a bad job of predicting the average increase of less than a degree due to increased C02 to balance the energy budget (Only a half since the 1976 heatwave, UAH). They do absolutely nothing useful in understanding the weather patterns that bump up the temperature to 10 degrees above, or below, the average.
It might seem like a no brainer that there is global warming and it was very hot, but you need to be pretty dull to think that it is evidence of a degree warmer world.
It’s not weird, it’s just weather.
Is “weird” supposed to be some kind of objective comment ? What do you even mean by that? What EXACTLY are you claiming, so that it can be checked?
The explanation is simple meteorology. There has been a blocking high over the Azores for the last week. This has been drawing masses of hot air up from N. Africa and the Sahara. This happens from time to time . No need for CO2.
The last few days have also seen a competing system over Parisian region which further concentrated this hot air flow into the atlantic coast of France, up into Britanny and spilling over into the UK. Just look at a wind map of satellite animation for Europe.
“What else can it be” is not a proof of anything, expect ignorance of the real cause.
In 2012 where I live in Michigan we experienced 104F temperatures. The state did not burn down. Nobody died that I know of. And we have not had temps above 100F since then. If my memory servers me right, 2013 was the snowiest winter ever and 2014 was the coldest ever in the Detroit metropolitan area. We must have turned the corner on global warming and are in for a huge drop in temperatures now.
And last winter had the least snow, by far, or any winter since I moved to SE Michigan in 1977. In general, the winters are not as cold as they were in the 1970s.
Two communities in Michigan hit 112 degrees on July 13, 1936, Stanwood in Mecosta County and Mio in Oscoda County.
Kalamazoo, and countless other cities across America, saw it’s all-time record high during the July 1936 heatwave. Kalamazoo’s all time record for heat is 109 degrees.
Have you heard of randomness and the Normal Distribution?
Guaranteed that every single day some part of the Earth is experiencing warmer than average, or cooler than average, and record highs and record lows for the date. Ditto with wetter than average and dryer than average.
The media cherry picks, and for every heat wave they fail to report a cold wave going on somewhere else (after all it’s mid-winter in the southern hemisphere right now).
Then the media and warmunists (same thing) claim that extremes only result from climate change, including cold extremes. As if the planet never experienced varying weather before in geo-history.
Just how far back can you go? You sound younger than griff
Summer?
A hot day in the Summer in England
has happened before. Why is that weird?
Climate is a 30+ year average of global weather,
not one day in one place.
Most of the global warming since 1975
has been during the six coldest months
of the year at night (TMIN)
I guess you have never heard that
from the lamestream media,
what is the alternative explanation?
It’s Wednesday.
Yeah, it’s hot in July – weird.
Simon,really, if you are more than 15 years old, you have seen summers this hot before and winters as cold as the last couple before. If you have empirical evidence of a direct cause of this weather, please share it….you might be awarded a Noble Prize. The rest of us just write it off as …..OH, WAIT! I’m WRONG!…..it really is “Climate Change!!!!!”
Um, as a meteorologist for about 40yrs now I have seen LOTS of weird weather. Weather does all sorts of extreme things…always has…always will. YOU have zero control over it and are not responsible. Quit being so naive. Where I sit today, a mere 8000yrs ago (wink of the eye geologically) there was a 2mi thick ice sheet. What caused that to recede in such short order? I’ll wait for your ignorant answer here.
CO2 re-radiates at a peak emission temperature of -80 deg C. So indeed, it is very weird that -80 deg C causes 40.3 deg C heatwaves.
Gases radiate the most just prior to dissociation into plasmas. CO2’s peak emission temperature is around 3600K. That is the point when about 50% of the molecules dissociate. By 7000K most of the gas has dissociated. See Kwak et al. 2015 for details.
That’s what you get in a plasma torch. It has nothing to do with the temperature of CO2 in the atmosphere!
CO2 does not radiate (“re” or otherwise) with peak emission at -80 C. Even at atmospheric temperatures it is no where close to achieving peak emission. That’s what I’m addressing. I don’t expect to be able to convince you of this. Afterall, I tried and failed to convince you that water, even parcels below the surface, radiates and that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law says it does so in proportion to the 4th power of its temperature. If I cannot convince you of that then I’m certainly not going to be able to convince you that CO2 continues to radiate more the warmer it gets up to the point of dissociation.
ROFL! So what?
“Even at atmospheric temperatures it is no where close to achieving peak emission.”
Then why did you even bother to bring up peak emission? You are trying to use word salad to justify a claim that atmospheric CO2 *could* radiate at 3000C. In fact, it doesn’t and never has.
As for water, you continue to ignore the restrictions on using S-B, i.e. that the object must be in thermal equilibrium within the object. Any inner or external conduction will invalidate the answer given by S-B since S-B does not include a conduction factor. Both Planck and S-B assume that *all* parts of an object are contributing equally to the radiation. If any part is not, then all bets are off.
TG said: “Then why did you even bother to bring up peak emission?”
I didn’t bring it up. Doonman did.
TG said: “You are trying to use word salad to justify a claim that atmospheric CO2 *could* radiate at 3000C. In fact, it doesn’t and never has.”
Yet another strawman. I said no such thing. What I said is “Even at atmospheric temperatures it is no where close to achieving peak emission” and I standby that statement. You can “nuh-uh” this fact all you like; you’re challenge is misguided all the same. CO2 does not hit peak emission at -80C, 55C, or any temperature common in the atmosphere because those temperatures are much lower than the dissociation point of CO2 gas.
I’ll leave you with last word here because I have neither the interest nor the time in trying to defend thermodynamic laws with you yet again. My response to Doonman was meant as a quick and simple correction of the myth that peak emission occurs at -80C for CO2.
“What I said is “Even at atmospheric temperatures it is no where close to achieving peak emission” and I standby that statement.”
What you *did* was nitpick – an argumentative fallacy you are very enamored of as a tactic to try and refute what someone else has said.
You can run but you can’t hide. You created a strawman nitpick, plain and simple!
No kidding we had the 4th coldest April ever…we need more CO2. That April sucked.
According to UAH April 2022 was the 4th warmest in their record.
Exactly;)
Weird because it’s not true and is based on a misunderstanding of the science. CO2 radiation increases with temperature, unless of course its excess energy is lost to collisions with neighboring molecules.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1500561
High air pressure.
Natural variation. The warming started during the 19th century, way before we were banging out any CO2 . However, climate zealots appear to believe that nature suddenly turned itself off in the 1950s and handed over the warming to our CO2. The more you think about, the more ridiculous you realise the CAGW hysteria is.
Third year of La Nina and the jet stream in Meridional flow.
Since when is a heat wave or cold spell weird ?
How you deal with it or not is the weird part .
HAARP US Air Force admits to weather modification.
https://amg-news.com/archives/3437
Dr. Michio Kahu has admitted that “man-made hurricanes” have been the result of government manipulation program that skies were sprayed with nano particles and then storms were activated by lasers.
One freak weather system does not make a trend. It’s weather, not climate!
Nono, climate causes weather now. Haven’t you been paying attention? All the MSN reports say so. All of them. So when climate changes, weather changes. Instantly. And its your fault. Capisce?
Wow! It’s almost, like, you know, I mean, like, the atmosphere thingy, it’s like, cells, like wow! One would think all that hotness would just rise and rise until it hits the moon, but, like, it all comes down again, in another place, like…cooled down! Wow!
A great pisstake. Love it. 🤣
The BBC’s temperature map on last night’s main News didn’t look like the ECMWF above. The UK and Western Europe was a deep red and I think the East of Europe was orange. Clearly the BBC have a different agenda.
And a different colour scheme
Galileo9,
The chart posted here is a temperature anomaly plot, it shows that western Europe, with its hot southerly wind bringing dust from the Sahara (check your car windscreen) has temperatures above normal while eastern Europe, with its cold northerly arctic air mass has temperatures below normal.
Ventusky 19Jul22
This a standard meridional weather pattern, all perfectly normal anticyclonic wind flow for a high pressure centred on Denmark in summer.
Far too sensible an explanation Sir.
Yes I know, but the BBC didn’t mention the meridional Jetstream at all. The nearest they got to admitting that it’s part of a normal weather pattern during low solar activity is to say that western Europe is under a heat dome. Even if they did mention the wavey Jetstream I expect the BBC would have added “some scientists believe it’s caused by Climate Change”.
BBC talks about the Met Office a lot but their weather info etc is supplied by Meteo Group, a private organisation with units in most European countries.
This is where the record occurred – I cant find the actual AWS – these are the co-ordinates supplied by the Met Office – https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/53%C2%B005'38.4%22N+0%C2%B010'15.6%22W/@53.0934587,-0.1736163,380m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x8d1212c7c1e7f2b0!8m2!3d53.094!4d-0.171?hl=en
Both the Met Office Observation Sites at Heathrow and RAF Coningsby are right next to aircraft runways …
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/07/19/climate-monitoring-since-the-little-ice-age/#comment-223614
Both are known as Meteorological Terminal Air Report or METAR sites :
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-to-read-metar-weather-reports/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/qcy/weather
According to WeatherCloud.net, both the Heathrow Airport & RAF Coningsby sites are owned / administered by the NOAA
https://app.weathercloud.net/dEGLL#profile
https://app.weathercloud.net/dEGXC#profile
and both have flat concrete/tarmac surfaces that heat up with exposure to hot (Saharan) air, which with little surface winds will not have the benefit of any “heatsink” effect. Little wonder that temperatures will be towards/higher at these locations. Try taking the track temperature at Silverstone/ any other motor racing circuit this week – would not be surprised if it was heading towards 50deg.
Coningsby is a regular on East Midlands News, not just for weather.
Home of various bits of the RAF including the Battle Of Britain flight.
I think this is the station (circled), a little south of the marker they gave you.
“This is where the record occurred “
Just 3 years ago – remember – when we were haggling about the new UK record of 38.7°C set at Cambridge on 25 July 2019. Here are 34 places where that record was broken on 19 July. Yes, a few were airports.
3.12pm: Coningsby, Lincolnshire – 40.3
12.20pm: Heathrow, west London – 40.2
1.55pm: St James’s Park, central London – 40.2
3.26pm: Gringley-on-the-Hill, Nottinghamshire – 40.1
12.28pm: Kew Gardens, south west London – 40.1
12.39pm: Northolt, west London 40.0
1.29pm: Niab in Cambridge – 39.9
11.06pm: Charlwood, Surrey – 39.9
2.05pm: Cranwell, Lincolnshire – 39.9
3.30pm: Scampton, Lincolnshire – 39.9
2.37pm: Wittering, Cambridgeshire – 39.9
3.02pm: Bramham, West Yorkshire – 39.8
2.55pm: Monks Wood, Cambridgeshire – 39.8
2.07pm: Watnall, Nottinghamshire – 39.8
1.19pm: Bushey Park, Teddington, south west London – 39.6
3.08pm: Topcliffe North Yorkshire – 39.6
1.49pm: Woburn, Bedfordshire – 39.6
2.35pm: Bedford, Bedfordshire – 39.5
3.50pm: Normanby Hall, North Lincolnshire – 39.4
1.59pm: Sheffield, South Yorkshire – 39.4
2.28pm: Sutton Bonington, Nottinghamshire – 39.4
11.17pm: Wisely, Surrey – 39.3
11.39pm: Chertsey, Surrey – 39.2
1.39pm: Marham, Norfolk – 39.2
2.12pm: Holbeach, Lincolnshire – 39.1
2.01pm: Ryhill, West Yorkshire – 39.1
1.15pm: Writtle, Essex – 39.1
12.47pm: Santon Downham, Suffolk – 39.0
1.08pm: Wellesbourne, Warwickshire – 39.0
1.55pm: Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire – 38.9
12.20pm: Iver, Buckinhamshire – 38.9
1.04pm: Coleshill, Warwickshire – 38.8
1.24pm: High Beach, Essex – 38.8
2.57pm: Leeming, North Yorkshire – 38.8
On the 18th the weather service made these predictions for the place where I live (in Merseyside, UK): 14h 33C, 16h 34C. So I measured the actual temperature myself, properly in the shade with a very light almost imperceptible breeze. Results: 14h: 28.5C, 16h: 29.1C. Not one degree off but a whopping 5. So forgive me if I wonder about all those reported records.
I remember my holidays in Cornwall as a child & walking with my brother & parents in Padstow in the evenings, & hearing my parents & other adults commenting on how they could feel the heat coming off the buildings after a glorious hot sunny day!!!
The reports coming from the Met office yesterday morning were predicting ever increasing temps hourly, 8:00 AM they were saying “could reach 41”.. by 9:00AM this was ramped up to “could reach 42”.. all the way up to about midday when 43 was the projection. As the warmest part of the day came and went, the highest actual temperature they could point to was at Heathrow, a site compromised by acres of black asphalt. Certainly by midday they had sufficient information to make a fairly accurate prediction, but they decided to go with the ridiculous scenario rather than sublime reality. Did we get an apology for the alarmist rhetoric of the morning? Will they ever admit they were wrong? As they have never addressed the siting issue of the previous Cambridge record I won’t be holding my breath.
But they were not wrong. They always cover themselves with a “could be” / “maybe” get out clause.
Scientists are are 99% certain that the temperature will be between 20 and 60 deg C and the Guardian reports “scientists are certain that it could go as high as 60 degrees C today and thousands may die!”.
I just checked the Met Office web site and Kew shows 38 deg C not 40.1 . That is hourly so I guess that’s hourly average. Maybe a puff of hot air raised the thermistor just long enough for them to log 40.1
Thanks Nick, where are you able to find that detailed information?
Manchester Evening News
Thanks for the reply.
So apart from their claim it comes from the Met office we don’t get any more detail. These early claims were labelled “provisional” but of course the newpaper drops that and does not have any meta data about the quality if the weather station, like the top two being airports and not climate quality recording stations.
It’s also suspicious that Kew Gardens showed 2 deg C less on the M.O. web site than what is claimed here.
Of course it’s all smoke and mirrors, no metadata, no proper source for the data. Excited journalism and not science.
All the Met Office staff are full on propaganda mechants at this stage and providing loads to spin for jouralists to quote. I don’t trust them without being able to check data in detail.
“Kew Gardens showed 2 deg C less on the M.O. web site”
Actually, I had looked at the M.O. site, and saw that it showed 39°C for four consecutive hours.
Thanks. I can’t even find Kew on their website any longer and I can’t find what I saw amongst the dozens of screenshots I took over this period.
Do you have a link to where this station can be seen ?
Thanks. I can’t even find Kew on their website any longer and I can’t find what I saw amongst the dozens of screenshots I took over this period.
Ah, found it on “WOW” :
https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk/
Royal Kew Gardens
13h-14h 38.4
14h-15h 38.7
15h-16h 39.5
16h-17h 39.2
17h-18h 37.1
Heathrow now shows
13h-14h 38.1
14h-15h 40.2
15h-16h 39.2
16h-17h 38.7
17h-18h 38.2
wind at HRW was S for all the afternoon except SSE at the time of the peak. SSE aligns perfectly with a taxi way. Maybe significant.
RAF Coningsby:
13h-14h 36.1
14h-15h 37.3 SSE
15h-16h 39.1 S
16h-17h 39.7 S
17h-18h 39.6 S
18h-19h 39.4 S
Oh dear!
Run Away!
Marham RAF station
Leeming RAF station
Wittering RAF station
Scampton RAF station
Northolt RAF station
Cranwell RAF station
Sutton Bonington rural, veterinary school University of Nottingham
Coton in the Elms rural
Gringley on the Hill (Lat: 53.4167 | Long: -0.8833)
That Gringley on the Hill one is an oddity – in other reports it was given as being from the Robin Hood Airport temperature station. Can we confirm it was definitely Gringley on the Hill?
Nick, are these 1-minute duration events?
Or nano-second events like the Australian BoM use?
Are differences of 0.1C for 1 minute used to claim previous recorded temps haven been “broken”.
Which of these stations’ previous temps were from analogue mercury thermometers rather than automated digital recorders?
I ask because weather temperature records aren’t like the 100 metres sprint final at the Olympics, where 0.001 of a second is a thing.
Weather temps are everyday conditions we all live in, and going postal over a few hundredths of a degree difference for a few minutes during a day once every decade or so is not rational.
I get why the media and bureaucracies beat it up – clicks and relevance preservation – but rational adults everywhere should be able to recognize what’s being perpetrated here.
“Nick, are these 1-minute duration events?”
Probably. But the thing is, they were records. They were much higher than temperatures measured previously, under the same conditions (duration, UHI, asphalt, whatever).
And can you therefore say that the slight increase in temperature was from an actual increase in air temperature and not, for example, having more vehicles or more heat reflecting surfaces or more urban activity than with the earlier temperatures? Answer – no you cannot; these sites are all compromised and have far too many variables where any one of them could be responsible for an increase in readings, not the air temperature. There is a very good reason that temperature stations should conform to the Met Office siting rules – it eliminates the other variables so if you look at a temperature from an uncontaminated site you can be confident you are looking at the actual air temperature, not a reading from a local microclimate containing a dozen different heat sources.
Nick Stokes said: “Here are 34 places where that record was broken on 19 July.”
And that is but a subset. You could pick any of the few hundred stations on https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk/ and have a good chance at selecting one that recorded 38.7 C or higher.
Thanks for the weather report. Now better get your mask on and head to the basement and let the adults discuss here. Shoo shoo, on your way now..
Sorry to intrude with facts.
Lol….we measure every second. Now compare that to 20 years ago when someone measured once a day..maybe?
No. As I noted here, min/max thermometers tracked the max continuously.
You don’t get it…must be on purpose.
Even the better LIG min/max thermometers today only boast a +/- 1.0C (+/- 2.0F) accuracy with a 1.0C/2.0F resolution. Older styles were probably less accurate with less resolution.
Therefore it is entirely possible that the heat in London has occurred in the past and wasn’t recorded as such.
ROFL!! I see I got a downvote for actually posting a simple fact!
Some people just don’t want to hear the truth!
sooo, mostly under 40c… far cry from the 40-42c that was gonna end the world
I was watching the forecasts pretty closely. Of the global circulation models the GFS predicted 41 C, ECMWF predicted 38 C, and UKMET predicted 39 C. The official prediction from the UKMET office was 40 C if I remember correctly. That was made 5 days prior. Those weren’t bad predictions; certainly far better than the WUWT article prediction which said there was “not the remotest chance” through 2050.
The Met Office predicting 40C is here
“Even higher maximum temperatures will develop tomorrow with a 70% chance of somewhere in England exceeding 40°C. A value of this level would exceed the current UK record by 1.3°C or more.”
Spot on!
Tell me Nick, when temperature observations were made manually before automation, were the measurements taken every few seconds? Were they measured to the nearest decimal place? Do you think it is not possible these ”record” temperatures occurred before but were not measured?
They were recorded with a min/max thermometer in which little metal markers moved up continuously with the mercury, and stayed at the highest points. So, continuously measured.
“Do you think it is not possible these ”record” temperatures occurred before but were not measured?”
No. The min/max thermometer may not have had millisecond sensitivity, but past temperatures were so far below 40°C that this could not have made the difference. Before the 38.7°C measured at Cambridge in 2019, the UK record had been 38.1°C, Kew Gardens and Gravesend, 2003. You’d need an error of more than 2°C to catch up with current levels.
So the top three records were at airports and the centre of London. I don’t know where you live Nick, but I live in the centre of London. When I travel down to my mother’s on the border of Kent and London, it is noticeably (at least a degree) cooler.
That UHI effect swamps the mere tenths of a degree that the thermageddonists get their knickers in a twist about.
“That UHI effect swamps …”
The UHI effect, whatever is is, has been there for a long time. But these temps are degrees warmer, for the same place.
I might be wrong, but you appear to be denying that the UHI effect exists. Surely not!
You are wrong.
Yeah, I realise I read your comment too quickly. My mistake.
Anyway, UHI (particularly at airports) jacks the temps up massively. Would you be happy if the temp station was by the open doors of a supermarket pumping out refrigerated air (as my local one was doing today)?
Nick, you are just not getting it, you read it but without understanding it. UHI is not a constant – if you have a site contaminated by UHI (and we’ll include airports and RAF airfields as having a UHI microclimate, even though these are far more changeable than many metropolitan UHI microclimates) then the UHI component changes from day to day, overnight, from season to season and from year to year. Urban growth is more likely to show an increase in temperatures after a few years on a UHI contaminated site than anything else. You simply cannot make a statement suggesting that because the thermometer is in the same place nothing else has changed with the sites – it’s utterly false.
You really have to wonder how much time people like Nick actually spend outside in nature, be it urban or rural nature.
“ the UHI component changes from day to day”
So why did UHI just happen to rise to all those unprecedented levels in all those varied places on just one particular day?
It didn’t. It’s been a warm summer day and the temperature reached it’s maximum around early afternoon on just one particular day. If you had taken temperature readings from an uncontaminated site then no doubt you would have seen a similar temperature gradient, just without the additional heat from a UHI microclimate. The only unprecedented part is that no uncontaminated site (without UHI) registered temperatures over the previous high temperature, I believe.
“The only unprecedented part is that no uncontaminated site (without UHI) registered temperatures over the previous high temperature, I believe.”
To name just a few from my above list Gringley-on-the-Hill, Monks Wood, Watnall are rural, and not only exceeded their previous high temperature, but the previous UK record.
I’m still not entirely sure about that ‘Gringley on the Hill’ record – other reports attribute that exact same reading to the temperature station at Robin Hood Airport. The others I’d be perfectly willing to look at but you can probably understand that, after the Met Office ’40C’ hysteria, I was concentrating on those sites over their threshold.
Bank thermometers 😉
Latest Global Average Tropospheric Temperatures +0.06 deg. C
Earth has been cooling since Feb2016 or Feb2020, just as we predicted in 2002 and 2013.
UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2022_v6.jpg (749×432) (drroyspencer.com)
At times of very low solar activity, temperature extremes are exacerbated by divergences of the Polar Vortex towards the equator. Extreme cold events are being recorded all over the world.
https://electroverse.net/category/extreme-weather/
https://electroverse.net/category/crop-loss/
It is not uncommon for these extreme cold events to be accompanied by extreme warm events. The average temperature of Earth changes only by small fractions of a degree C, but the extreme cold and warm events are more common.
Which is it – Feb 2016 or Feb 2020?
“Which is it – Feb 2016 or Feb 2020?”
Just looking at UAH LT data, many would say Feb2016.
However, Feb2016 was the peak of a huge El Nino warm event, so I prefer Feb2020.
But it’s fair to also suggest other dates as well – the Earth is a big ball and extreme cold events have been happening for many years – there were cold events at the end of the previous solar cycle (SC23) circa 2008-2012 that have not yet been equaled at the end of SC24.
There was a major crop failure across the Great Plains of North America in the summer of 2019.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
My friend Cap Allon has been documenting extreme cold events for many years at Electroverse.net.
So “Place your bets”, “Faites vos jeux”.
So you’re saying that earth has been cooling since Feb 2020? And you predicted that in 2002 and 2013? Where can I read those predictions?
For links see http://correctpredictions.ca/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/15/open-thread-32/#comment-3555344
NetZero is a proven failure due to intermittency and diffusivity – the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine 24/7 (surprise!) and these ridiculous green power schemes take up too much land. Told you so 20 years ago.
CORRECT CLIMATE AND ENERGY PREDICTIONS FROM 2002
We published in 2002:
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
I published on September 1, 2002:
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
I updated my global cooling prediction in 2013:
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2022_v6.jpg (749×432) (drroyspencer.com)
I say global cooling started either Feb2016 or Feb2020. Temperature extremes are exacerbated by divergences of the Polar Vortex towards the equator. Extreme cold events are being recorded all over the world.
https://electroverse.net/category/extreme-weather/
https://electroverse.net/category/crop-loss/
“SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT”
http://correctpredictions.ca/
“The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.”
Our predictions on Climate and Covid are infinitely more accurate than mainstream narratives.
AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA
British Undersecretary for Energy and Climate Change, 31Oct2013
By Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
[excerpt]
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy”
schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful
prediction (or “projection”) of global temperature and thus have no scientific
credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.
COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
by Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf
THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
Basic Meteorology 101
Convection – What goes up, must come down.
Advection – What goes north, must come south.
This is all due to the 30-year meridional weather pattern that is part of the natural 60-year climate cycle.
The UK happens to be affected by three weather systems, Africa, the Atlantic in their West, & Russia’s weather from their East.
No wonder it sometimes seems a bit odd.
Plus it’s a very built up country with a lot
of towns & cities., so taking a temperature readi g at Heathrow, what do you expect. It’s a big airport.
I recall a day in June 1949, I cycled to a nearby town to see a circus, it was a nice sunny evening, then it rained, by 11pm on the way home it was snowing.
Of course it was just known as weather back then.
As for the heat, here in South Australia 40 C is not unusual, & it can last a week before a slight change moves in.
Michael VK5ELL
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It is not any kind of “climate”. It’s weather. There was a blocking high which brought hot air from Africa. It’s weather.
The Heatripple was too short to appoint a “Minister For Megaheat”
By contrast Wikipedia on Dennis Howell
In the last week of August 1976, during Britain’s driest summer in over 200 years, he was made Minister for Drought (but nicknamed ‘Minister for Rain’). Howell was charged by the Prime Minister with the task of persuading the nation to use less water – and was even ordered by No. 10 to do a rain dance on behalf of the nation. Howell responded by inviting reporters to his home in Moseley, where he revealed he was doing his bit to help water rationing by sharing baths with his wife, Brenda. Days later, heavy rainfall caused widespread flooding, and he became known as “Minister for Floods”. Then, during the harsh winter of 1978–1979 he was appointed Minister for Snow.
Dear old Dennis…
It didn’t reach 36 on peak day of 1976.
“Heathrow had 16 consecutive days over 30 °C (86 °F) from 23 June to 8 July[5] and for 15 consecutive days from 23 June to 7 July temperatures reached 32.2 °C (90 °F) somewhere in England. Furthermore, five days saw temperatures exceed 35 °C (95 °F). On 28 June, temperatures reached 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) in Southampton, the highest June temperature recorded in the UK. The hottest day of all was 3 July, with temperatures reaching 35.9 °C (96.6 °F) in Cheltenham.”
”The Haweswater reservoir had only 10% of its water left; people walked dryshod on its bed 60 feet (18 m) below its normal water level. The site of the flooded village of Mardale Green was dry.[9] Ladybower reservoir in Derbyshire dried out and revealed the flooded villages of Ashopton and Derwent, it was possible to make out the village layout and garden walls.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_British_Isles_heat_wave#Heatwave_and_drought_effects
Not after they “adjusted” the figures, Griff. I remember, though, being told by the BBC that the temperature recorded at Southampton Weather Centre on 28 June 1976 was 98 degrees F. That’s 36.7 degrees C. I was out in it, and had every reason to believe the report at the time. So, Griff, are you accusing the BBC of lying about the temperature?
Better get your 3 masks on, head to the basement and be safe. Shoo now..shoo shoo..
Lovely weekend lovely temperatures and much appreciated here in central UK.
I am informed it is very cold in Australia in parts. Very cold in parts of Europe also, for this time of year.
That’s weather for you.
Yeah, since the UK is dank, dreary, cloudy, rainy, foggy most of the time I would be dancing in the cobbled streets in celebration of some actual summer weather!
Anyone who has experienced a number of hot dry Mediterranean summers knows that fires are quite normal for that season. As far as some houses burning down in the UK, when we get the full story I suspect that it has little if anything to do with the heat. Houses do not combust even at temperatures reaching 40C.
It would be an interesting comparison to see how many houses have burnt down in the UK over the past decade, during which seasons and the causes. Of the 60 000 primary fires with some 250 fire deaths annually in the UK I suspect most are in cold months.
Back in the 1970s I was camping in the south-east of France. We had to leave, ‘be evacuated’ is the term now apparently, because of the forest fires.
It would not surprise me in the slightest to find out that most of the fires will be found to have started in overloaded electrical outlets.
Or “campfires” lit by eco-friendly groups.
Then there was the 50 year old Italian farmer caught on surveillance cameras lighting fires. Tell me, just how many incidents of arson sourced wildfires do you have to have before you start putting surveillance cameras covering the most likely fire-starting spots?
Thanks. I was wondering what kind of building materials they use in the UK that spontaneously combust at a mere 40 C. All the news articles have dramatic fire photos so it’s obvious that the hot weather must have started the fires. Do they leave a lot of oily rags or maybe white phosphorous lying around?
One fire was certainly a compost heap combusting.
We don’t usually have even 30C in summer
griff> Spontaneous combustion in compost piles or any organic matter such as hay, mulch or oily rags is a result of internal heating from decomposition and insulating effects of the pile. It has nothing to do with ambient temperature and can occur even during freezing temperatures. Farmers know that they have to dry their hay and grain to certain levels before storing or risk burning down their barns. I’m quite sure that none of the fires being attributed to heat waves have an ignition source that has nothing to do with the air temperature.
I’ve seen sawdust piles covered in snow that had self-combusted in -5C conditions.
Griff don’t get out much . . .
Yes, but the UK is a Northern island and it is NOT quite normal here – certainly there has seldom if ever been multiple fires taking out suburban hoses. The London fire Brigade just had its busiest day since the 1940s Blitz…
A single data point is useless for establishing causation or a trend.
The ignition temperature can be different depending on the wood type. Wood ignites at about 572°F (300°C)under medium density and room temperature. It burns hot at an average temperature of 1472-1742°F(800-950°C).
https://fireproofdepot.com/what-temperature-does-wood-ignite/
Yep it is an extreme swing of ‘weather’ of which extreme swings occur. Get a life.
How many were arson?
All it needed was 1 or 2 – the fires spread rapidly. I saw reports of only 1 very big fire in the London area, similarly in Birmingham, I think. Some idiots just like to watch things burn and have no damn clue how to behave.
Fires Brigade Union is saying firefighting staff have been cut by over 15,000 in the last ten years.
Pure propaganda.
The UK media and politicians screaming ‘stop exhaling CO2’ and global temperature will fall back to 1800s range the first thing the next morning.
An infrequent random occasion of double loop in the jetstream chunneling hot air all the way from Sahara to the North West Europe.
Happens in winter too when it is sending freezeng cold air from Arctic all the way to the South of Europe.
These events are hardly to do anything with tiny increase in the global temperature, since looping of jet stream is governed mainly by the Coriolis force (Earth rotation), seasonal temperature raise/fall, energy radiated upwards from oceans, energy coming down from the sun, and feedback from leading to trailing section of the loop.
Put all together looking from down here to up there, as good as a random behaviour.
It won’t fall back.
We are just concerned it could get worse without action… this heat for longer every year, for a start.
Grifo baby
Sahara has been very hot for the last 25,000 tears. Sahara climate cycles follow Milankovic 41,000 years cycle. I bet you £1 that it will go green again in about 15,000 years time.
Oh, so hot forever now? Mmm k then. fool.
It’s a hilarious cornerstone of Griffy’s (and other Greenies) ideology – they believe every additional molecule of CO2 raises temperatures in a uniform straight-line progression ever upwards to infinity. They have absolutely no idea whatsoever how the world actually works.
Same with the climate models. y = mx+b trend lines going forever. The only difference between models is what they pick for “m”, the slope of the trend line. No cyclical impacts, not even by the end of the century.
While on its front page, the UK Daily Mail was screaming that the country was on fire and that the end of the world is nigh, on its inside pages it had a set of photos of Britons flocking to the seaside 100 years ago, in 1921. Funnily enough, the temperatures in the seaside resorts in 1921 were 34C and 36.7C!
I really don’t think that’s accurate.
34 was a really rare and local event last century. Even 1976 didn’t reach 36.
Since the temps would have been 93F and 98F, then converted and rounded to 34C and 36.7C, I suppose you are technically correct, as the final numbers are not entirely accurate. And pay no attention to anything measured and reported in 1921. Why, they didn’t even have computers. They had to write the measurements on paper. I can’t just edit a file and tracelessly alter the written record like we can with more modern techniques.
Here’s the Met Office summary for July 1921
https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_b9618822-021f-436e-8648-533372fa7476/
They say that on the 10th and 11th it reached 305a or above in parts of England. I think that’s 305K or around 31.9°C. I can’t find any warmer temperatures.
The Mail story
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027777/How-sun-lovers-flocked-Britains-beaches-heatwaves-yesteryear.html
only mentions 34C in 1921.
I think the 36.7C temperature is the one from 1911.
The hysteria here is almost beyond belief. Absurd statements claiming the hottest UK weather ever ( I think they mean since 1914 but don’t hold your breath ).
I’m worried that if I stand still anywhere in the U.K. someone from the Met Orifice or BBC will rush over and try and paint me bright red before screaming “hottest Evah and we’re all going to die immediately”
There is no escape….
Well it is the hottest since 1884, which is date of UK wide records for certain…
but the issue is it is hotter than the end of last century and a clear progression of new heat record sand warmest years this century.
So in a wink of an eye geologically some observations have been recorded and in that short period of time some extremes have occurred. Wonder how many extremes would be recorded with say, 1000yrs of records. Hmmm… Oh that’s right, weather does not work in extremes on planet earth. Mask up!
Ah, so you admit it started warming in the 19th century before we were producing our see-oh-toos. What causes the warming then? Enquiring minds would like to know.
Where the Saudi Prince sent Biden’s request
Record temperature at Heathrow! But what did they do to it in around 2015 to make it hotter?
Added more flights?
Well it wasn’t just Heathrow which saw 40C – and 29 places at least broke the 2019 record yesterday… some by 1.5 C.
tell me how all those had alterations which suddenly increased the stations readings (but it wasn’t actually that hot?
Tell us about all the cold in Australia and Eastern Europe Griff.
1969 terminal 1 built. Previous buildings renamed terminal 2. Cargo terminal built late 60’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Heathrow_Airport
Up here in North Wales, it was 34 degrees yesterday at 11:00. Today at the same time it was 13 degrees. Time to get the wood burner cranked up.
And when before this year have you seen it 34C at any time?
Weather dumwit
I was visiting London in August 1990 when it hit 34C in the City.
This is what’s in the records, but this is a depiction of what happened over the greater London area – some parts hotter, some cooler.
https://weatherspark.com/h/s/147871/1990/1/Historical-Weather-Summer-1990-at-London-Weather-Centre-United-Kingdom#Figures-Temperature
why does it matter, the world did not end
Oh dear Jack, your wood burner won’t be enough. 21 degrees C cooling in one day! My linear extrapolation model tells me you will reach absolute zero on August 2nd. And my “it’s worse than we thought” model says you have less than zero days left to “Save the Wales!”
The press headlines provide the only thing approximating to fun…
“Blowtorch Britain”
“Meltdown Monday”
etc.
I’ve had a news blackout and used my time more constructively; in the garden with beer and my eco friendly – sort of – acoustic guitar. I had terrible writer’s block during the pandemic, but that’s another story.
Great weather for listening to the Spanish greats played by a personal hero, Julian Bream…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95brP_HweU
That’s the spirit.
The Sun is always true to its tabliod nature. But you fail to notice it is the only one NOT mentioning climate change on its front page. The heat wave IS news.
The heatwave is news. But only for the sensorially disabled. To most of use it was pretty obvious that it was rather warm outside. So those headlines did not convey anything we did not already know.
My cat – an excellent mouser – showed far more common sense than the entire msm when it came to coping with a hot day.
And scientists always express such ‘wonder’ when they observe the bleedin’ obvious. Animals are not stupid.
Yes. Our cat is not one for staying indoors and spent most of the last two days outside. She could be found at many sheltered and cool spots around the garden, stretched out as much as possible, but not in any way ‘suffering from the heat’
And some small animals died due to the heat especially overnight when it didn’t cool much.
I can’t wait for the sequel called Extreme winter cold without heat: The lost world
The heat in the UK is pretty unbearable mainly because everything there is designed for the cold. Likewise in tropical parts of Australia I have felt the coldest because everything There is geared for cooling you down and there is nothing to keep you warm when you have the odd very cold day. Meanwhile we’re having a very cold winter here, certainly the coldest I can remember in a while. Can we please have some of that heat here? Is especially important since the idiots, otherwise known as our government, has got renewables to such a stage that had agreed is very close to failure there is a shortage of gas the heating were digested elected a bunch of fruitcakes to a parliament called materials have no idea whatsoever how things work and again try and make things worse. Plus here in the ACT, our stupid government has decided that we will not be allowed to have anything except electric vehicles from 2035.
I don’t know whether we’ve reached peak heat but I think we have moved beyond peak stupidity.
Exactly!
We have not until this century seen this sort of heat on a frequent basis.
and why are we suddenly seeing it now?
Gawd you are pathetic.
Social media begging for “likes”, and online media begging for “clicks”?
Oh, and bureaucracies begging for relevance preservation.
Why are we seeing this heat? Because it started warming back in the 19th century. That’s why.
Get over yourself.
How we used to deal with a hot summer’s day…
http://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1549696954514477058
So I guess the Brits never travel south to Portugal, Spain, Italy, or, my goodness, India during the summer months
We do. and we notice how well those cultures have adapted to the regular summer heat.
but when 27 would be considered a scorching day in the UK and in our famous summer of 1976 it peaked on one day at a little over 35, well 2 days of 35, 38, 39 and 40 is NOT something we have seen or are ready for at home.
(21 is a heatwave in Edinburgh!)
Well you know the saying. “Mad dogs and English men go out in the midday sun” (Noel Coward)
And you know why some people are called “snowflakes”.
(Griff just summarized it above).
Apparently Brits used to be made of sterner stuff.
“Mad Dogs and Englishmen”
Noël Coward
In tropical climes there are certain times of day
When all the citizens retire
To tear their clothes off and persprie.
It’s one of those rules that the greatest fools obey,
Because the sun is much too sultry
And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray.
The native grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they’re obviously definitely nuts!
Mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday sun,
The Japanese don’t care to.
The Chinese wouldn’t dare to,
Hindoos and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one.
But Englishmen detest a siesta.
In the Philippines
There are lovely screens
To protect you from the glare.
In the Malay States
There are hats like plates
Which the Britishers won’t wear.
At twelve noon
The natives swoon
And no further work is done.
But mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday sun.
It’s such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see
That though the English are effete,
They’re quite impervious to heat,
When the white man rides every native hides in glee,
Because the simple creatures hope he
Will impale his solar topee on a tree.
It seems such a shame
When the English claim
The earth
That they give rise to such hilarity and mirth.
Mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday sun.
The toughest Burmese bandit
Can never understand it.
In Rangoon the heat of noon
Is just what the natives shun.
They put their Scotch or Rye down
And lie down.
In a jungle town
Where the sun beats down
To the rage of man and beast
The English garb
Of the English sahib
Merely gets a bit more creased.
In Bangkok
At twelve o’clock
They foam at the mouth and run,
But mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday sun.
Mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday sun.
The smallest Malay rabbit
Deplores this foolish habit.
In Hongkong
They strike a gong
And fire off a noonday gun
To reprimand each inmate
Who’s in late.
In the mangrove swamps
Where the python romps
There is peace from twelve till two.
Even caribous
Lie around and snooze;
For there’s nothing else to do.
In Bengal
To move at all
Is seldom, if ever done.
But mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday sun.
Yes, but when Coward wrote that, you had to go to British India to see 40C
The record temperature measured at the Cambridge University Botanic Garden is phony. So was the record temperature during the last heat wave 4 or 5 years ago. The weather station could hardly be worse sited. There are sources of heat polution within 10 metres of the station, with others thickly deployed all the way to the boundary wall. A very busy traffic junction with continuous queuing traffic is less than 200m away. The only change since the earlier phony record is that even more structures have been put up close to the station.
Nonsense… I’ve been there and seen it – and the environment hasn’t changed there this century.
It is an actual Botanic Garden…
And 29 places in the UK beat that Cambridge record by up to 1.5 degrees yesterday
It was but 3 weeks ago that a WUWT article was mocking the plausibility of 40C in 2050. Yet here we are in 2022 with multiple 40C reports.
Here is a quote from the article.
Doncaster did indeed reach 40C yesterday 28 years earlier than the WUWT article said had “not the remotest chance” even in 2050.
Clearly the end is nigh for the UK.
I haven’t seen any reports that the UK ceased to exist yet.
so why make a big deal about 2 days of 40c ?
according to all the fearmongers the place will be Hell on earth, but they were
wrong….. again !
I mean the article did say “not the remotest chance” only 3 weeks prior to happening. The article made a pretty big deal of it.
Also from your linked article:
“A single swallow, does not a Spring make.”
Of course it also said 40C wasn’t even remotely possible and yet it happened 3 weeks after publication. The article is not off to a great start. But yeah we’ll have to wait and see how many 35C+ events occur in the next 28 years before adjudicating this prediction.
That’s referring to maximum CET temperatures. The max yesterday was 37.3°C. Not so much pushing the record up towards 35C, but overshooting by a some margin.
There are also many points that undershoot the moving average, leading me to believe that the uncertainty band shown is probably only one sigma. [It really should be explicitly stated, but rarely is in climatology.]
Much of what we are looking at in your graph is properly considered to be noise. The trend is the red line, and it is still some distance from 35 deg C.
The graph was copying the style of Homewood’s. He doesn’t specify what his smoothing method is, I used a LOESS smoothing, not a moving average, and included the 95% confidence interval.
You seem to think it’s the prediction interval, and is just 1 sigma, and then criticize me for not stating it explicit, whilst ignoring the lack of information or uncertainty in Homewood’s version.
And now you seem to be suggesting he’s more interested in the trend rather than the noise. And that you will only be satisfied when the trend reaches 35°C. But that’s not what he’s saying. He’s talking about the record being pushed up to 35, and is still using the noise of 1976 as a target – “Other than that temperatures since 1990 have failed to exceed that year or 1976:”
I pointed out, with regard to the other graph, that whilst he says “The inconvenient reality is that summers are still no hotter than in 1976”, the trend line clearly shows summers are hotter than in the 1970’s and inevitably was told that only the individual annual values mattered.
“It’s never a good idea to make predictions. Especially about the future.”
If only all parties heeded Yogi’s sage advice, we’d all be better off.
I’m presuming you aren’t given to heeding or making any predictions about future climatic conditions, Bdwx?
Yogi would have hated science since making predictions is one of the fundamental tenants of it. It should come as no surprise that I have no problem with predictions of the future because I’m a big advocate of science.
Science is developing fundamental relationships between variable inputs. E.g. Voltage = current * resistance, E=mc^2, velocity = dx/dt, etc. The relationships can become very complex such as Maxwell’s equations, Schrödinger’s equation, etc.
Science is *NOT* predicting the future while being unable to specify the fundamental relationships. science is *certainly* not extending linear regression lines into the future and claiming that those are “predictions”, *ESPECIALLY* when we know there are many cyclical processes involved in the relationship, things like clouds, sun insolation, and ocean circulation.
That quote has also been attributed to Niels Bohr 🙂
figures, the predictors are batting 100% wrong. you must be proud
I don’t think we can say that the predictions in that article were all wrong just yet. The one about 35 C happening no more frequently than in the past is still outstanding. Though it isn’t off to a great start since there have been two events in the last 3 years. I’m not proud of any of this.
Tenet. Not paying rent.
boy you got us on that one. extra extra read all about it, wuwt misses prediction.
have you by chance noticed the failed predictions from the greens over the past 50 years?
I don’t know who the “greens” are exactly, but if they are Al Gore, Greta Thunberg, or anyone else with an opinion not backed by the abundance of evidence in peer reviewed literature I don’t pay much attention to them.
“Greens” would definitely include the UN, IPCC, EU, GISS, etc etc etc
You’ve also read all the peer reviewed literature that provides contrary positions to “the cause” (as Michael Mann termed “The Team’s” efforts) publications?
If we’re going to include reputable predictions then UKMET certainly gets dinged for being 28 years late on their prediction of 40C. Anyway, there are certainly subpar predictions from reputable institutions too. The mid troposphere tropical hotspot is only warming at half the rate it was predicted in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. And the IPCC’s prediction from 2001 that annual Arctic sea ice extents would not drop below 10.5e6 km2 prior to 2040 didn’t pan out either. Even the scientific predictions have had their problem areas.
Why is it so cold in Russia right now?
It looks like a robust mid latitude cyclone. That’s why it’s cold west of the Volga River and warm east of it.
Oh my God, a hot summer! The end must be nigh.
Most of England was 39C yesterday… some places 40C … in the famously hot year of 1976, reckoned a scorching UK summer, it hit 35.5 on just one day.
this is not like any other summer the UK has had.
Except 1976 lasted weeks not just a couple of days, 15 consecutive days of 32 degree temperatures. Reservoirs dried out, canals dried out. No rain for weeks on end. Water rationing, stand pipes in the street. Hosepipe ban.
Actually the drought started in 1975, preceded by some weird weather. June 2nd 1975 the county cricket game I was going to watch in Buxton was stopped due to snow (about 2″ on the pitch). The next week was the start of the warm dry weather. Played havoc with my ’76 trout fishing season at Ladybower reservoir which dried up.
this is not like any other summer the UK has had.
in your lifetime or ever?
So we eat bugs, move into 200 square foot apartments, give up meat and give all our money to big government and that will stop temps from rising. Is this my salvation narrative and since western society is evil this will allow the priests of terror to stop rising CO2 and to save the planet while killing me and my family. Asking for my wife
Just invest in renewable energy and EVs. Lots of jobs and economic growth. Huge amount of boost to economy and reduction in consumer energy costs from insulating existing buildings.
and old folks freezing like it was Medieval times again?
that shit wouldn’t survive without government subsides
Go to Prof. Dieter Helm’s Oxford website and educate yourself about renewable energy. As I’ve said before he is no climate change sceptic but he is an expert on energy policy.
Here are extracts from one of his latest essays (‘The retreat from net zero’ 4th July 2022)
“Salient facts……...that disaggregated, low density, intermittent renewables will not fill all the energy gap in place of the 80% fossil fuels we currently rely upon, and that biofuels, biomass and the burning of wood pellets are a very limited option, and quite often perverse”
” it is simply naive to think that wind turbines and solar panels could add up to the energy demand to replace the 80% of fossil fuels. They are necessary but a very long way from being sufficient. By their nature they are low density sources of energy. It takes lots and lots of wind turbines to replace a single gas power station and given that they are intermittent, it takes a lot of fossil fuel capacity on stand by to make sure the lights stay on”
“This is the first net zero energy price crisis because decarbonisation policies have not taken account of the consequences of not only the intermittency of wind, but also the consequences of that intermittency rendering everything else intermittent too. It requires much more capacity to meet any given demand to ensure that when the wind does not blow there is something else to take up the strain. It also makes that ‘something else’ much more expensive.
http://www.dieterhelm.co.uk/energy/climate-change/the-retreat-from-net-zero/
HadCET was updated this morning. The record for the highest daily mean dating back to 1772 got shattered. The previous record was 25.3 C on July 25th, 2019. The new record is 28.8 C on July 19th, 2022. Of the highest daily means for each of the 250 years in the CET record prior to 2022 the mean is 21.0 C with a standard deviation of 1.6 C. 2022 is 4.9σ above the mean.
Wow!
Err…that should be 28.1 C making it 4.4σ. I apologize for the gaffe there.
I hear 1772 is lodging a protest.
2022 has been tested positive for Kool-Aide consumption.
I’m guessing we need to get 2019 tested too. No?
Well, you’ve tested your own computations and found a HUGE over-statement of 0.7C (just kiddin’).
And you corrected your mistake without any prompting.
Kudos.
So yes, now that you’ve demonstrated how easy it is to make HUGE over-statements of temps computations (i.e. a MASSIVE 0.7C), I guess the scrutineers should be called in to have another look at 2019.
“Science” needs to be consistent. No?
It was the hottest of times, it was the coldest of times.
You were all warned about the dooming and no doubt Greenpeace will be sending a bevy of protesters to China aboard the Rainbow Warrior-
China speeding up approvals for new coal plants: Greenpeace (msn.com)
It’s topple the evil denier Xi or bust!
Yes it was predictable and No, there is no hilarity.
By definition really, what makes things ‘funny’ is that they are unexpected, out-of-the-blue or unusual.
(The basis of the GSOH and an absolute prerequisite for a success hunter – back in the days when we knew what we were supposed to eat)
What’s described in the story here is Depressing and Sad.
That grown up and supposedly educated people behave like over-excited children.
Which is precisely what they are and there is a Good Reason for that – thus the minor rant (above) about GSOH
“By definition really, what makes things ‘funny’ is that they are unexpected, out-of-the-blue or unusual.”
I would say that the element of truth told in the joke trumps all. That’s why satire really bites.
I suggest that commentors understand that the climate is changing. “Climate Change” is real – should be no argument about this. The problem is that this change is not an “existential threat”. Here in Kentucky where the ag zone I live in was moved from zone 6 to zone 7 20+/- years ago – my area is warming. I don’t know of how many zones were reclassified to a lower number – tell me.
Additionally the CO2 “problem” is a net benefit to mankind – shouldn’t be any argument about this. Here the problem is the “noise” is all one way -” it is bad”. I don’t know how we change that but at least we should acknowledge that CO2 concentration is going up and that is good.
And didn’t I read yesterday somewhere that if we (I don’t remember who “we” is) our 2050 goals it will effect a .3 degree c change. This should be publicized.
Guys (and Gals) we are beating our heads against a wall and getting our blood pressure up to no avail.
And now I feel better!
Really? Well we built the entire UK rail system to a 35C spec, and here we have it 39 and 40C – and likely to repeat. We don’t have aircon, because up till this century 27 was a rare hot day in the UK. We didn’t build our roads and runways for 8, 10, 12 C more than what was usual right up till the late 90s.
Keep a stiff upper lip, friend! We didn’t have aircon in the 60’s either and had a lot of 100F days in the summer. Farm work went on regardless! You learn to live with it or you leave!
We did not have a ‘lot’ of 37C days last century.
Operative word “we”. So what? The point is that some of *us* *DID*. If “us” survived it then so can you!
sounds like those engineers didn’t build in a large enough safety factor.
Because last century even up to the 90s 39 and 40C hadn’t been seen
So what? It’s still just weather, not climate!
UK used to build the railways for India to withstand the temperatures in that country so we had the expertise.
And yet here we have the UK where no less than 29 weather stations across a wide area broke the previous record, set only 3 years before, some by 1.5 C. Impossible to claim this was just rogue weather stations in car parks…
And yes, UK hit 40C. 27 c is considered too hot in a UK summer, before recent events.
And this is part of a pattern: UK high temperatures records were broken in 1990, twice, then 8 times this century. The ten hottest years in the UK are all post 2002.
There are any number of other (high) temperature records broken this century in the UK. A clear progression, clear warming and clearly climate change.
In wider Europe, we are on our second heatwave in Spain this year, with extrem heat in Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands and drought in Italy.
Last year we had early heatwave in E Europe followed by record temperatures in Greece and (for whole of Europe) in Sicily in a Mediterranean wide heatwave.
so again, we have a recent uptick in heatwaves and temperatures across Europe (including into Scandinavia and its Arctic Circle).
all in line with the predictions of climate science…
40C is NOT ‘just weather’ for th eUK – and clearly a progression, not a one off.
Now explain how we came out of the last glacial period of the current ice age approx. 10,000 years ago when CO2 was 180ppm.
boom!
Hours later and you still haven’t answered my simple question. You have made comments since on this and other threads. And I thought you knew everything..
Hey, I’m not hanging around here just to answer your nonsense…
(facepalm) Your post immediately below this one gives the lie to what you’ve said.
How is that relevant to a recent, rapid rise in temperatures this century, caused by human CO2? The current situation is the new additional driver of human CO2 has overwhelmed the historic natural processes
Temps have been rising since the 19th century Griff. What caused that, because it wasn’t or see-oh-toos, was it? I’d love to hear your excuse.
It’s relevant because it was not CO2 that released the entire country north of where Watford now lies from a mile thick ice sheet that didn’t melt in high summer for 100,000 years previous, there were other forces at work and still are. Are you a climate change denier?
When the temperature record includes thermometers with +/- 0.5C and +/- 1.0C uncertainty, how do we know if we are seeing a .13C/decade rise?
The uncertainty just totally blanks out the ability to accurately identify the differences you are trying to measure!
Records are made to be broken. What’s the problem?
I grew up in Kansas in the 60’s where 100F days were more common than today. I worked in the hay fields all day in that temp, I rode tractors and combines with no cab and no air conditioning all day in that temp. Worked on all kinds of farm implements in that temp.
Grow up and learn to live with it. It won’t kill you. Just stay hydrated.
The problem is the KEEP getting broken, over increasingly short intervals.
The ten years with new highest records in the UK are 1990 (twice) and 8 years this century… the 10 warmest years are all post 2003.
It’s been a bit warmer than usual for just two days and Griff’s getting all wet (and I don’t mean sweaty).
It’s funny to watch.
What does the *interval* have to do with it? Not well versed in probability are you?
Roll a 6-sided die. There is no reason why you can’t roll a string of sixes all together.
I think he’s finally gone off the deep end…
Stop whining.
Being as you weren’t even born in 1976, how do you explain the MUCH LONGER hot spell then??
How do explain farming in Greenland 1000 yrs ago?
I have to imagine with a roughly 2C warmer climatem temps in the UK must have regularly been above 35C in summer.
Idem Roman period because the Roman villas around Cirencester had pretty nice Italian style constructions ideal for temps found in Italy, – where I was in Milan 2 weeks ago +36C every daym the stuff that makes British people like you scream “we are all gonna die”, with WTF Gov ordering people NOT TO TRAVEL!!!
(checks birth certificate) No, I was around in 76… constant smell of burning as the local heathland went up (but no houses burning down).
I expect you were fooled by my (still) youthful good looks. See my agent for photos.
I very much doubt you’re good looking Griff. Your constant bitterness at being made to look a fool at WUWT must have you screwing up your face in anger.
And the record cold in Europe?
Oops, that doesn’t fit your narrative, does it?
You’re making a fool of yourself again Griff.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/04/04/europe-record-cold-france-agriculture/
I’m out on the London streets today and some people are back to wearing jumpers. It’s not exactly thermageddon, is it Griff?
I was wondering why all the fires? Even 40C does not cause spontaneous combustion, my pizzas tolerate 180C for 20 minutes without bursting into flames. The dryness associated with hot weather makes things more combustible, but fires still require a source of ignition. I see that some commentators on Youtube have suggested that it is suspicious and perhaps Extinction Rebellion activists are responsible (they are certainly mad enough). However I wondered just how unusual these fires are so I checked the UK Government website official statistics. In 2021 the Fire Services in England attended 147,295 fire incidents, of which 62,301 were classified as ‘primary fires’ – defined as those involving buildings or vehicles and/or that involved human fatalities or injuries and/or were attended by five or more pumping engines. Of these 27,015 were fires in dwellings – that’s 74 a day on average. Perhaps yesterday was unusual in the amount of reporting the fires received rather than their unusual number.
The extreme heat really dried out the grass: my lawn went from green to pale straw in days.
The big fire was witnessed starting in an overheated compost heap.
No greens are setting fires and the UK has ruled out space lasers.
On BBC North West news last night they reported that Merseyside Fire Brigade responded to 129 fires over the two hot days of which ” 71 had been started deliberately”
The Guardian yesterday also reported that a man had been arrested in France on suspicion of starting the blaze that destroyed 30, 000 acres of forest in the Gironde
Ooh! Your grass has dried out! Happens to UK grass every year. Get a grip man.
“ my lawn went from green to pale straw in days.”
That’s a matter of timing, not global warming.
“The big fire was witnessed starting in an overheated compost heap.”
The temp in a residential compost heat is generally from the “fermentation” inside the heap, not from the outside temp. Above about 120F to 160F the bacteria in the heap begins to die and that limits the actual temp the pile can reach. 120F to 160F temps won’t catch much of anything on fire.
“No greens are setting fires and the UK has ruled out space lasers.”
Again, my guess is many are from overloaded electrical wiring and outlets and poorly maintained fans. But I’ll guarantee you that a big percentage are from arsonists – whether green or not is irrelevant.
This hot weather will soon dissipate as it does every summer.
However, we will then move closer to our winter of discontent.
But there is nothing to worry about.
We just need to stick together.
Russia is using gas as a weapon.
We have to address our energy security at EU level.
We learnt from the pandemic that if we act in unity, we can address any crisis.
So let’s act together to reduce gas use and provide a safety net for all EU countries.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen
(my emphasis)
Except of course the winters are warmer too: unusual these days in southern England to see frost in winter before the new year
Don’t jinx it. Many lives are saved by having warmer winters rather than bitterly cold ones.
“Except, if you just move East of the UK several hundred miles, the “global heating hitting you in the face” is not so much…of course they wont tell you that a cold outbreak is right next door.”
If I’m reading the scale of that map correctly, the hot weather is a around 10-15 °C above the 1991-2020 average, whilst the cold parts are about 2-8 °C below that average.
So it isn’t a heatwave if it isn’t also a heatwave 700 miles away?
It’s not a GLOBAL heatwave due to climate change! It’s just local weather!
I was implying the opposite. This article is pretending that somehow the cooler weather in the east cancels out the heatwave in the west. I’m saying they are not comparable.
The dumb naive, scientifically ill-informed believers. Detest them all.
Really? There is a heatwave in the summertime? I’ve never heard of such a thing. Do you think it will last until fall?
There is an EXCEPTIONAL heatwave.
27C is a heatwave in the UK: 39 and 40C over a large area of the country is EXCEPTIONAL
Except the MET Office definition of a heatwave is
“when a location records a period of at least THREE consecutive days with daily maximum temperatures meeting or exceeding the heatwave temperature threshold”
Two days do not a heatwave make.
Yes but that definition requires the daily maximum to exceed 28ºC in the southeast, not 40ºC.
Yes. And in wintertime, global cooling can smack you in the face with below-zero windchills. Funny how the weather can sneak up on you and smack you in the face. These global warmunists could use a good swift kick in the you-know-where though.
They could have used this!
That didn’t work, so
“Yes! It is that hot”
The third one down here
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/07/memes-that-made-me-laugh-117.html
An addition for your descriptives
“It is so hot that the jehovah’s witnesses have started telemarketing”
That pr*ck Justin Rowlatt has just been on the BBC waving around lots of maps that he scribbled over with his red crayon. He failed to mention the current cold records being broken around the world, of course.
Perhaps because he was on to talk about HEAT records being widely broken in the UK – by up to 1.5 degrees with never before seen in the records 40C heat
And a decent journalist would give it some balance. But Rowlatt isn’t an impartial journalist, he’s a biased activist. And if you watched his diatribe you would have seen how he manipulated the stats (and used silly colours) to suit his agenda.
Were there record breaking temps in the UK? Yes, by airports or other heat traps. Is that heat worth worrying about? No. It’s just weather. Just 2 days of it. If it was a genuine problem it would have lasted for a lot longer. Today is much colder. It’s weather Griff, nothing more (as I’m sure you’d claim during cold weather in the winter)
Warm is good Griff. Cold kills.
Why didn’t Rowlatt mention this record cold down in Australia? What do you have to say about it? After all, we are talking about global warming, aren’t we?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/alice-springs-record-breaking-winter-below-zero-bom/101237700
They all say 40 °C in Paris (Monday, Tuesday) yet the Montsouris station indicated I think 38 °C and in my living room I never got more than 33.3 °C away from the electronics. All electronic here (Internet, TV, PC).
I happen to be based in the suburbs of Paris, and so downloaded the data for the graph below just yesterday.
URL (in French !) : https://www.infoclimat.fr/climatologie-mensuelle/07156/juillet/2022/paris-montsouris.html
Tuesday (2 days ago now) was very uncomfortable, even staying indoors … but not (quite) as bad as 25/7/2019, which I still vividly remember as a “like an oven door open 2 or 3 feet in front of you” moment when I was obliged to go the supermarket that day !
Notes
– The 2022 peak was almost identical to the 1947 peak (~40.5°C) … that’s 75 years ago, when atmospheric CO2 levels were around 310-315 ppm …
– The 2003 heatwave was notable for its length, 10 days above 35°C in Paris, rather than its intensity (highest Tmax value), and resulted in ~15,200 excess deaths throughout France.
– The slightly shorter (7-day) and “cooler” 2020 heatwave resulted in ~1,900 excess deaths nationally … primarily due to the endless “Alert ! Canicule !” messages and TV news reports showing old-age home (EHPAD) residents “happily” drinking lots of water every time temperatures go above 30°C now …
Just recall that all those UK folk who cannot handle the heat were either sent to Australia or came voluntarily to settle this wide brown land of droughts and flooding rains and to this we add some very hot weather from time to time. Englishmen settled around Marble Bar and survived temperatures over 50 Celsius. Many places in the Australian summer exceed 40 degrees C not for a few days but weeks and yet those same English settlers not only survived but thrived. The climate change boosters are desperate and worse, for them, very few people take any notice any more. All they have is headlines and the words of some second rate scientist who has been found wanting many times in the past.
I have to think about where these temperatures were recorded. It is well known that many stations are sited at airports where heat island effects are acknowledged by climate scientists. So, before they become part of the HadCru record they undergo adjustment – presumably downwards. Now it appears they are happy to throw raw temperatures around when previously they told us you can’t use raw data for climate research.
There were 29 places which recorded higher temperatures than the previous 2019 record (from a botanic Garden).
a very large area of the UK saw those high temperatures… the records were clearly representative of a wide area and in no way skewed by location.
Just a few days ago, the weather services in Germany are screaming about a “never seen before” heatwave with temperatures of 35°C. Then somebody put this picture up see link below:
https://www.anderweltonline.com/index.php?eID=tx_cms_showpic&file=1259&md5=15ccd534681dbbb49afa14e58bc084bb175761cb¶meters%5B0%5D=YTo0OntzOjU6IndpZHRoIjtzOjQ6IjgwMG0iO3M6NjoiaGVpZ2h0IjtzOjQ6IjYw¶meters%5B1%5D=MG0iO3M6NzoiYm9keVRhZyI7czo0MToiPGJvZHkgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjowOyBi¶meters%5B2%5D=YWNrZ3JvdW5kOiNmZmY7Ij4iO3M6NDoid3JhcCI7czozNzoiPGEgaHJlZj0iamF2¶meters%5B3%5D=YXNjcmlwdDpjbG9zZSgpOyI%2BIHwgPC9hPiI7fQ%3D%3D
The next day, fact-checkers were on the march saying that the purported 56°C was not in the shade etc .. One thing is sure: if you have 56°C in the sun, you’re also going to have at least 35°C or probably higher in the shade. But, what’s interesting to know is the year 1957: this give you the possibility to look at weather chronicles .. and bingo: here are three pdfs of chronicles clearly showing temps higher than 35°C in Austria, Germany and Switzerland during that year. So the media .. and the fact-checkers .. are simply dillusional.MittNatVerSt_88_0121-0126.pdf or Schulchronik Sürenheide.pdfis or Chronik Juli 1957 — baselland.ch (they are all in german, but there are online translators around…)
I don’t suppose the U.K. MSM has checked to see if any Brit has worked in Arizona or Nevada or Texas for a few months or maybe a year or two and lived to tell the tale?
No. Of course not. Silly me.
Dudes…it’s sooo hot outside I’ve seen tires melting on the roads….melting I tell you…..holly moly…..Pray for an Ice Age….
On that same ”record breaking” day of 40.3C at Heathrow airport, we hit an almost all time high of 33C here in Ireland, at one of our stations. That evening (Tuesday 19th July) it was 11C and some parts apparently it dropped to 9C.