The Heatwave Green Hysteria is Out of Control

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

JULY 18, 2022

By Paul Homewood

Brendan O’Neill:

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The unhinged eco-dread over the heatwave exposes how millenarian environmentalism has become.


If you find yourself wondering over the next few days why it is so swelteringly hot, I have an answer for you. It’s because of rich people. It’s because of those wealthy elites with all their gas-guzzling vehicles and reckless holidaymaking. It’s their fault you’re sweating on the Tube.
This infantile claim really is being made, and by supposedly serious politicians. Labour’s Richard Burgon, over on his Instagram account, is wringing his no doubt sweaty hands over the filthy rich folk who apparently landed us in this weather apocalypse.
‘As we face 40C temperatures and the first ever Red Extreme Heat Warning, remember this climate crisis is driven by the wealthy’, he cries. His stern words are accompanied, naturally, by that Met Office map showing half of Britain coloured dark red – the hellish hue that has been chosen to illustrate how dire our predicament has allegedly become.
Is anyone else tiring of all this green hysteria over the heatwave? There is something medieval about it. There is something creepily pre-modern in the idea that sinful mankind has brought heat and fire and floods upon himself with his wicked, hubristic behaviour. What next – plagues of locusts as a punishment for our failure to recycle?
The unhinged eco-dread over the heatwave exposes how millenarian environmentalism has become. Climate-change activism is less and less about coming up with practical solutions to the problem of pollution and more about demonising mankind as a plague on a planet, a pox on Mother Earth. These people really do view hot weather as an indictment of humanity, and a forewarning of the imminent heat death of our world that we’ve brought about with all our evil pollution and consumption.
They’re all at it. Caroline Lucas says, ‘The climate emergency is right here, right now’. 
One observer describes Europe as a ‘continent on fire’ – which just isn’t true, is it? – and says the hot weather is proof of ‘the ravages of climate change’. The words ‘heatwave hell’ are appearing everywhere, and many in the opinion-forming set know exactly who’s responsible for this hell: me and you and everyone else who has dared to live modern, technological lives.
This isn’t the first time a weather event has been depicted as a hell of man’s own making. When the latest IPCC report was published last year, hell talk was widespread. ‘If we do not halt our emissions soon, our future climate could well become some kind of hell on Earth’, said an 
Oxford prof. And of course we brought all this fiery punishment upon ourselves just as surely as Sodom and Gomorrah invited God’s divine retribution by being so perverted. We are ‘guilty as hell’, the Guardian’s environment editor cried, sounding for all the world like one of those crackpot millenarian preachers you’d see on street corners in the old days.
To my mind, there could be no better proof that climate-change activism has become an End of Days cult than the fact that its chief ideologues are now even incapable of enjoying hot weather. They feel the sun’s rays on their faces and all they can think about is the Armageddon that the modern masses have created with their cheap flights and their 4X4s and their addiction to disposable fashion.
When you see everything as a sign, as further proof of your own apocalyptic belief system, you have a problem.
Let’s have some perspective. Propagandistic terms like ‘extreme weather’ and ‘Weather of Mass Destruction’ are meant to whip up fear in the populace every time there’s sunshine or floods. And yet, as 
Bjorn Lomborg points out, the number of people dying in climate-related disasters has plummeted spectacularly over the past hundred years.
In the 1920s, close to 500,000 people died every year in storms, floods, droughts and heatwaves. In 2020, just 14,000 people died as a result of such natural calamities. That means global annual deaths from climate disasters have fallen by 96 per cent. The modernity that eco-warriors so disdain has actually helped to protect humanity from the violent whims of Mother Nature.
Lomborg also points out that in most parts of the world, cold deaths 
‘vastly outweigh’ heat deaths. So while the warming of the planet might increase heatwaves, it will reduce coldwaves. Which will be very good for human life. Are we allowed to look on the bright side anymore?
This isn’t the first time extreme weather events have been blamed on wicked human beings, whether it’s Richard Burgon’s wealthy elites or just people in general driving their diesel cars and taking two easyJet flights a year. No, in the Middle Ages, too, scapegoats were often sought whenever there was a scary climatic event.
As the German historian 
Wolfgang Behringer has documented, in the 14th and 15th centuries ‘unnatural climatic phenomena’ were often blamed on ‘a great conspiracy of witches’. During the Little Ice Age in particular, when crops failed in many parts of Europe, there was a frenzy of witch-hunting. Some in society ‘held the witches directly responsible for the high frequency of climatic anomalies’.
Sound familiar? I definitely hear echoes of that old, regressive belief that sinister people are responsible for weird weather in today’s attempt to pin heatwaves on the rich or on coal-mining or on motorists. Environmentalism has rehabilitated in pseudo-scientific form the age-old instinct to find the witch or the sinner who is to blame for society’s misfortunes.
Everyone needs to calm down. We’re safer from weather than we have ever been. It’s sunny. Go outside. Sit in the shade. Have an ice-cream.

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Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 6:08 am

Predicting Armageddon has a long history. I cannot be typing this as I died of famine in the early 1970’s.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 6:51 am

I assume that you were wearing a sandwich board that said, “The World Ends Tomorrow!”

Thankfully, you ate your sandwich board for sustenance and survived the 70s to make it to the present.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 6:52 am

I remember 1988 being the “last possible year.”

fretslider
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 19, 2022 7:53 am

In England that was 1987 and the Fish Hurricane.

R Stevenson
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 19, 2022 10:04 am

The only decent summers I can remember in the UK; 1947, 1955, 1976, 2003 – only a handful in 80 years.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  R Stevenson
July 19, 2022 4:20 pm

1976 is the one everyone remembers. But, as you mentioned, there were plenty of really nice summers before that, and since. I got serious sunstroke (my own stupidity) in the early 1980s, can’t remember the exact year but possibly ’83/’84. I live in Dublin.
Certainly, the hysteria about the ”record breaking” high temps, over the last couple of days, has the alarmists wetting themselves, they have never been happier. The chorus of ”we told you so, this is what we have been warning you about…” is getting well worn out. Our national broadcaster even dug up Monbiot to tell us we are all doomed unless we eat insects.

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R Stevenson
Reply to  Eamon Butler
July 23, 2022 6:46 am

Monbiot was as happy as a sand boy when the Somerset levels flooded – saying his predictions etc. The facts were that the Environment Agency (old NRA) failed to dredge the river Parrett so as not to upset the water voles. In 1960 the river was 60 feet wide and dredged but at the time of flooding 55 years later was a mere 12 feet wide and silted

R Stevenson
Reply to  R Stevenson
July 20, 2022 1:53 am

Maybe 1959 the year Lady Bower Dam (in Derbyshire) dried up and we could see the village flooded in 1910 at the bottom – eerie.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 8:07 am

My sister and Brother in law live in Bermuda where temperatures into the 40’s are frequent.

I’m assuming they died several decades ago, but I keep getting calls and emails from her.

I’m guessing she’s a Biden voter.

KcTaz
Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 1:38 pm

HotScott, that is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever seen! Well done, sir.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  KcTaz
July 19, 2022 5:34 pm

You should read more.

alastair gray
Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 2:37 pm

Don they call you “Phew what a scorcher Scot” now . Personally I called today a mid summer climate optimum and was happy as a bungee jumping walrus without a bungee.

George Kamburoff
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 8:54 am

Apparently you have not been outside.

Derg
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 11:41 am

Have you 😉

ih_fan
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 11:58 am

It’s fine outside where I live.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ih_fan
July 19, 2022 5:35 pm

That’s great. Let’s base global cliate polcy on where you live.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:41 pm

Why not? Gavin Schmidt said the only climate that matters is where you live.

Climate believer
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 11:14 pm

cliate polcy

I believe there’s a cream for that nowadays.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  ih_fan
July 23, 2022 9:00 am

Me too, here in south Central Illinois, even though they are calling for plus 100 F today and tomorrow, too. It’s all in what you are used to. Having been raised as a boy in central and west Texas, 100 F is considered normal for the summer time! I also lived in the ‘deadly’ heat of Southern California for 30+ years, where temps like this are ALSO considered normal, in the Summer time! We never started to fret (Sweat? oh yes!) too much until it got over 120 F or so. Even so, the temps have been whole lot higher in the past.

Stay in the shade, out of the sun, and wait. It will soon pass and you’ll be WISHING for that warm weather!

Eamon Butler
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 4:24 pm

Plenty of panic stricken alarmists may never go outside ever again. With any luck. Stay cool.

Joao Martins
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 21, 2022 2:46 am

Why your question?
Do you mean that we can see (Greta’s 7th sense) CO2 and heat better outside than inside?

Or, let me put it another way:

I understand that you believe in “The Science”. My question is: do you also believe in thermometers? (or do you need to go outside to check, with your own eyes, if the thermometers are working well?)

Alan
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 9:43 am

I thought we were supposed to be buried under glaciers by now.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Alan
July 21, 2022 2:49 am

Yes. Many “scientists” told me that 50 years ago!… I guess that nature did not “follow The Science”.

Paraphrasing: so it is time to dismiss this nature and apoint a new one.

ih_fan
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 11:59 am

I wasn’t able to drive to work this morning because the world ran out of oil right before the year 2000.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 2:18 pm

Every news bulletin this evening has been screaming about the UK temperature being 40.3C at RAF Coningsby today, Heathrow being 40.2C – in fact, if you exclude airports and RAF airfields due to hot runways and aircraft, the hottest temperature was 39C. Sheer hysteria.
As to the wildfires reported – there have already been dozens of arrests across Europe for arson, there will be more in the UK, unless the Police are afraid of a lefty backlash.

Robert B
Reply to  Richard Page
July 19, 2022 10:57 pm

Over 40°C and we would stop harvesting the grapes by lunch and go back in the late afternoon. We would work the whole day otherwise, carting the grapes. It’s hardly armegeddon.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Robert B
July 23, 2022 9:09 am

Yes, it’s called ‘SUMMER”! Prudent people will stay OUT of the heat, while others will be out there, roasting and toasting! You would think that humans, being intelligent, (“???”) would have learned this by now! I guess modern AC has turned them all squishy and ignorant. This is why we have four season in most places. Just imagine if the earth did not turn on it’s axis! Half the planet would be boiling and the other half would be frozen solid. Which half would YOU prefer to live in? Well, at the fringes there would be something resembling the current, ‘normal’ climate.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 19, 2022 3:13 pm

London has reached 100 degrees F. several times before but they forgot to declare those days were an “armageddon”. 

Honest global warming chart Blog: London reaches 100 degrees F. — They’re Having a Heatwave … in 2003, 1911, and several days in the 1800s (elonionbloggle.blogspot.com)

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IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 23, 2022 9:10 am

The one thing they forget is that, THIS, TOO, Shall pass! As with ALL forecast’s of doom!

DHR
July 19, 2022 6:09 am

“So while the warming of the planet might increase heatwaves, it will reduce coldwaves.”

Why do you say that? It seems to me that nature always tends towards the average. Heat waves in summer lead to cold waves in winter. But then I have no data for my view. Do you for yours?

Peter Wells
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 6:18 am

Over what period of time do you calculate the average? For the past 10,000 years or so we have been in a warm period. For the next 90,000 years or so we will experience an ice age.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Peter Wells
July 19, 2022 9:13 am

We’ve been in an ice age for about 2 million years.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 6:51 am

So galloping Crisis global warming is not going to increase average temperatures in your view, DHR? The commenter you corrected was using logic, an old fashioned kind of thinking from the the 20th century and earlier.

observa
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 8:56 am

Well I’ve got a computer and I am the very model of a modern major modeller so gotcha there! I’d give you the data except you’d only want to use it against me and my pals.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 9:30 am

Where I live both the winters and summers have been milder. I guess we haven’t had heatwaves or coldwaves.

Derg
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
July 19, 2022 11:43 am

Where I live we had the 4th coldest April ever…we need more CO2.

Meab
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 9:39 am

Ignorant comment, DHR. Most of the 1 degree C warming the Earth has seen over the last century has been in winter and overnight temps. There’s a scientific reason for this, it’s the T^4 dependence on blackbody radiation (the Stefan – Boltzmann law). As the Earth warms it radiates more energy to space but it only takes a little warming to increase the amount of outgoing radiation by a lot. Peak summer temps are therefore more limited than winter temps.

The alarmists’ schtick that global warming causes global cooling is a flat lie.

Duane
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 1:19 pm

On average, we’re all going to be dead.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2022 9:14 am

In 100 years or so. During which time the earth and it’s living beings will mostly still be alive. Luckily, the ‘Warmist’s’ will almost all have died, too!

Leslie MacMillan
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 2:27 pm

That’s the Gambler’s Fallacy. There is no force that drives a random process to the average. The average just is. A roulette wheel that you watch come up red 13 times out of 20 spins doesn’t “have” to come up black 13 time out of the next 20 to even things out. Don’t bet the house on black.

John Larson
Reply to  DHR
July 19, 2022 3:01 pm

” It seems to me that nature always tends towards the average. Heat waves in summer lead to cold waves in winter.”

What happened to the possibility that a somewhat warmer world on average, could just lead to somewhat warmer summers and winters, if “nature always tends towards the average”? Why assume an increase in all sorts of extremes (waves), if that’s not how nature ever tends to “behave”?

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Mr.
July 19, 2022 6:26 am

I reckon the world must be cooling down at an alarming rate.

There have never been so many snowflakes floating about, even in heatwave conditions.

David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 6:30 am

It’s getting to the point where there are so many lies from propaganda media that it can’t keep its stories straight. Last night CBS News hyped the UK heat wave as Climate Change because it had NEVER EVER been this hot there. Later during the weather, the forecaster noted that the temperature in the UK was only one degree lower than the all time record high.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 7:58 am

The >40C figure was expected over the course of the 2-day heat wave. It arrived today, alongside wildfires that the London Fire Service have declared a ‘major incident’. Maybe, if wee Brendan lives around London, he can grab a bucket of water and go give them a hand. Or maybe he thinks it’s fake news.

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fretslider
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 8:14 am

Where did it arrive?

I happen to live in London – fires need ignition…

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TheFinalNail
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 8:46 am

>40C has (so far) been provisionally reported at 3 locations. Coningsby, Kew Gardens and Heathrow. That was the 3pm update though; most temperature records in the UK arrive between 3-5pm. Agree fires need ignition. They also need fuel, which in this case is tinder dry.

fretslider
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:35 am

That comes as no surprise whatsoever

Very keen and not sound, either

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Bil
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:03 am

Ah, Coningsby. Learnt about sidewinders there watching phantoms take off on full reheat on balmy summer afternoons. You may have missed that this website has done much investigation in the siting of weather measurement instruments. Airports aren’t ideal

Redge
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:58 am

Where do you think the weather station is located at Coningsby?

Richard Page
Reply to  Redge
July 19, 2022 3:30 pm

The weather station at RAF Coningsby, in common with other RAF airfields and civilian airports, is located immediately adjacent to the runway – it has to be to give pilots the most accurate information on landing/takeoff.

Redge
Reply to  Richard Page
July 19, 2022 11:31 pm

Bingo!

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Richard Page
July 23, 2022 9:23 am

Yes, “the most accurate information on landing/takeoff”at THAT particular location! A mile or two away from ‘that location’ would give a much different reading! So why would people who are NOT inside an aircraft or sitting in their nicely AC’d homes even CARE what the temperature is, AT THE AIRPORT? Yet, this is the BS that the MSM is blabbering about, telling us the end of the world is here! I suppose if the thermometers were inside the furnace at a nearby steel plant, they’d say the earth has already burned to a crisp?

paul
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 3:34 pm

airport measurements ?…. no thank you, they’re inflated

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  paul
July 23, 2022 9:27 am

Even in our small, podunk regional airport, they reported temps of 85 F yesterday, as I was returning from a quick trip in my car, who’s reading said it was 81 degrees F! My car reads the same as all the thermometers in town. Very few aircraft fly in or out of our airport (mostly just medivacs), yet we are forced to hear and rely on THEIR readings!

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 3:41 pm

Incorrect. Kew Gardens recorded a maximum temperature today of 39C. Heathrow airport, Humberside airport, Robin Hood airport and about 8 active RAF stations, including RAF Coningsby, RAF Waddington and others, all reported temperatures around 40C whilst temperature stations not associated with RAF airfields or airports recorded their highest temperatures of 39C. I would suggest, as I have done before, that using temperature stations next to busy runways, covered in jet exhaust, as accurate records of ambient air temperature is stupidity at it’s most blatant and ridiculous.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
July 19, 2022 4:09 pm

Then you know better than the Met Office. Of course you do.

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Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 5:16 pm

I’m interested to know how long these temps prevailed.

Are we talking hours, minutes, seconds, or like the BoM does in Australia – micro seconds?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2022 5:39 pm

As far as I know, these tempertures are from automated stations averaged over an hour. So the 3pm update would be the average temps at any particular station between 2-3pm.

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Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 7:04 pm

Each weather station produces observations at minute intervals, from all sensors.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/how-forecasts-are-made/observations/weather-stations

?

LdB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:59 pm

Let say I believe you and so your doomed … you convinced me.

So what do you expect to happen next because CO2 emissions are going to continue to rise … nothing short of devine intervention or an invasion of China and India is going to stop that.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  LdB
July 23, 2022 9:37 am

What will happen? I’ll tell you: MORE green plants, better yields, and over all, a MUCH better planet to live on! So far, we don’t know of even one that is better than earth, for us humans. As for warming, well, science reveals that CO2 does NOT cause warming. That is the number one lie the Warmist’s are pushing! MILLIONS of people accept that as gospel, though. Are you one of them?

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 6:36 am

Ah no – and I think I may have answered my own question above. Except for the BOM in Australia, most temperature stations take regular readings and average three or five consecutive readings around the maximum temperature, not across the whole hour, so a temperature would be recorded (averaged) across a 3 or 5 minute period, eliminating sudden heat spikes. BOM just uses a single high reading so incorporates possible spikes into their data.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 23, 2022 9:33 am

I can’t understand why people will give negative’s to someone who is merely stating a fact, or even a good guess. Most of the negatives are quite good, in fact! I guess some people just want to be negative.

John
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:34 pm

UHI is estimated at about 3 degrees (peak Summer) in London. Kew gardens is Central London.Don’t know what the UHI would have been when they registered 100 deg F in 9th August, 1911 at Greenwich Observatory, near the River Thames.

Richard Page
Reply to  John
July 20, 2022 6:43 am

Nobody knows exactly what the UHI is at any given time – the studies done show that it varies slightly from day to day and season to season and is different for each location. Which is why using a set algorythm or adjustment is complete rubbish and not worth doing at all. It’s about time that money was set aside out of the lavish research grants to establish paired temperature stations – the ones in existence today, utterly contaminated by UHI, and a nearby rural station, outside of the UHI microclimate.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Richard Page
July 23, 2022 9:40 am

While readings from the middle of a city MIGHT be useful to it’s residents, it is of less use to those who do NOT reside there. Perhaps a series of readings taken from several locations would be more useful if they are averaged together, and then mention the highs in the city.

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 6:29 am

Yes, I saw those temperatures up on the Met Office site today and they surprised the hell out of me. Yesterday evening, when I checked the temperatites recorded at St James Park and Kew Gardens they both showed a high of 39C for the 1500 hours period, now they show a high of 40.2C and 40.1C respectively – what the hell? Why did 2 sites give the same temperature at the same time differently? I’m keenly awaiting a logical, non-conspiracy theory reply please.

ATheoK
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 7:45 am

MetO proved many times that likely everyone knows better than the Met Office.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Richard Page
July 23, 2022 9:30 am

Really! And the reports of airport runways ‘melting’ in the heat are a primary example! Tarmac is made from the stuff left over after all the good stuff, (gasoline, diesel, etc.) is removed, in other words TAR, which melts at quite low temps. Build your runways and highways using something more resistant to heat!

Old Man Winter
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:28 am

In other news: Chicken Littles report “In 12 years, the world will end from Global Warming”

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LdB
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 19, 2022 9:59 pm

Yeah that is about how I feel with these retards … they are doomed now off you go little ones.

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ATheoK
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 20, 2022 7:48 am

Isn’t that doom down to 9 years away now?

Editor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:45 am

It has been 100F in other years in London too,

Real Climate Science

100 Degrees In London

Posted on July 17, 2022 by tonyheller

“Whenever an unusually hot season is upon us, sweltering humanity talks about the changes in climate and shakes its head in a foreboding fashion.”

– The Morning Oregonian July 24, 1906

LINK

Meab
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:02 am

ToeFungalNail,

It’s a two day heat wave. The London forecast is nice weather tomorrow and a return to typical London weather in the 70s in just two days. The simple fact is that NO heat wave can be blamed on Global Warming. Heat waves are a natural phenomena that have always happened. The weather is highly variable. You might be able to make the case that a heat wave in the present time could be one or two degrees hotter than it would have been a hundred years ago, that’s all.

Two hot days that might be two degrees warmer than a century ago is not a climate crisis by any stretch of the imagination. Get a grip.

Drake
Reply to  Meab
July 19, 2022 11:26 am

And 2 hot days are not a heat wave. Even wiki mentions 5 days to make a heat wave, along with all the leftist false blather about there having been more due to “climate change”.

There are lesser numbers of days for the definition, easily discernable by the leftistness of the organization defining the term. The farther left, the shorter the number of days.

Any logical and rational person would not call 2 hotter than normal days surrounded by “normal” temperature periods of MANY days as a “heat wave”

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Drake
July 23, 2022 9:45 am

But, then, we are not speaking about ‘rational people’ when we discuss the ‘Warming’ of the planet!

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 11:43 am

Hahaha…hopefully you will live.

czechlist
Reply to  David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 8:07 am

Today in Dallas, TX the prediction is the record high temp for the day will be broken. The record high is 108 set in? 1910. Last month Dallas tied a record high set in? 1911. The CO2 worshipping local Climate Change meteorologist loons were orgasmic.
In 1910-11 the population was 92k v well over a million today. Most of the city was residential as opposed to today’s wide spread buildings and higways. Very few autos and no airplanes in 1910-11 and that dastardly CO2 was around 300 ppm v 420 ppm today
Almost every temperature record for the area was set in the 19th and 20th Centuries.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  czechlist
July 19, 2022 11:04 am

My area of Oklahoma has had 14 straight days over 100F. It will be 108F today.

The record for 100F days was set at 22 days in a row in 1934 and 1936.

We may get close to that record again this year. It’s shaping up to be a hot summer.

The hottest part of the summer is between now and August 15, so we have a ways to go.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 20, 2022 4:26 am

I need to correct a couple of numbers.

The longest steak of 100F days took place in 1934 with 27 days in a row. Then there was the year 1936, and 1954, that each had 24 days in a row with 100F temperatures.

This year may get close to the 24 day number, although I did see a 98F day in among the 100F days in the coming week so maybe the streak will be broken by a 98F day.

The temperature was 108F yesterday. The temperature this morning at 630am is 88F.

We need a tropical storm. The high pressure system keeping us hot is supposed to move towards the east coast in the next week or so which would place it just right for bringing up a tropical storm out of the Gulf of Mexico. Unfortunately, it looks like hurricanes and tropical storms are having a hard time forming this year.

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Rick C
Reply to  David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 9:20 am

Yesterday a friend repeated a news item saying that Monday London was likely to be hotter than Saudi Arabia. So I checked – highs Monday – London 101 F (38 C) Riyadh – 112 F (44 C).

Miha
Reply to  Rick C
July 19, 2022 10:23 am

Slight correction. The Telegraph reports today’s temperature ((19th) as 40.2 or 104.4 . at Heathrow airport where a three-day strike is promised.

paul
Reply to  Miha
July 19, 2022 3:38 pm

ah yes. stack the deck with airport measurements. Doesn’t work for me.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Rick C
July 23, 2022 9:51 am

Journalist’s, and especially meteorologists, are well known for outright lying! It’s in their gene’s, you know. They have to invent ‘news’ or slant it to make you think it’s important. Better to rely on your own senses. That, and some basic research. Any time the news tells you is’t the hottest it’s ‘EVAH’ been, you know they are likely to be lying. Just sayin…

Cosmic
Reply to  David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 9:26 am

How anyone can watch these pukes on ‘TV NEWS’ is beyond me. I could not last 1min.

G Mawer
Reply to  Cosmic
July 19, 2022 12:38 pm

I can honestly say that some years back I enjoyed and trusted our local weather forecaster on ch12. I was disappointed when he left the “air”. Now I admire why he did so. I am talking about our own Anthony Watts🙂

Mike
Reply to  David Elstrom
July 19, 2022 11:35 pm

Presuming that the temperature data being reported come from ground stations, it is foolish to proclaim “all-time high temperatures” based upon only about 140 years of surface temperature observations. Not only is this a ridiculously short period over which to judge anything to do with climate, but population growth and its influence over the heat island effect naturally creates a false impression of wide-scale warming.

IAMPCBOB
Reply to  Mike
July 23, 2022 9:55 am

Mike that’s exactly why they do it! When one is peddling BS you must have something that scares the begeesus out of people. Hot weather, in the summer time, will do it every time! Just inflate the numbers a bit and use words like ‘highest evah’! There, you got it!

Ron Long
July 19, 2022 6:33 am

I think we need another witch hunt, this time for the green ones.

BobM
Reply to  Ron Long
July 19, 2022 6:52 am

Beat me to it. Does Greta qualify?

H B
Reply to  BobM
July 19, 2022 7:19 am

Does she have a broom stick ?

Fraizer
Reply to  H B
July 19, 2022 8:46 am

The question is, who put sandpaper on her broomstick?

Gary Pearse
July 19, 2022 6:39 am

“As we face 40C temperatures and the first ever Red Extreme Heat Warning, remember this climate crisis is driven by the wealthy”

First, this is a weather station at one of the world’s largest airports in one of the world’s largest cities. That’s probably where the previous 40C was measured. Maybe Anthony should have a look at location and comment (sat foto).

Second, the ultra-left (liberals and Tories have taken over the traditional labor political spot) is not wrong in blaming the ‘rich’ for the wretched state of the world because ‘climate change’. The weather is okay, but the billionaires are all on board with government policy bilking the poor and middle class with with ruinous renewables for a bogus marxists putsch.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 19, 2022 1:24 pm

First, this is a weather station at one of the world’s largest airports in one of the world’s largest cities.”
From the BBC report
Heathrow Airport was the first place to break the 40C mark, hitting 40.2C at 12:50 BST but several other places also passed 40C during the afternoon, including Gringley on the Hill in Nottinghamshire and St James’s Park, Kew Gardens and Northolt – all in London.”|

Seems to be a lot of varied places!

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 1:57 pm

Are you still using that extra blanket instead of turning up the heat?

paul
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 3:27 pm

so England has become a bunch of limp dicks that can’t get thru 2 days of adverse weather. God help y’all if a real catastrophe ever comes down the road.

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 3:48 pm

That’s interesting – Kew Gardens says its high today was 39C – in fact the only places recording temperatures over 39.7 today have been airports and active RAF stations. RAF Coningsby recorded 40.3 just after takeoff and Heathrow airport recorded 40.2 after a landing, I believe.

Reply to  Richard Page
July 19, 2022 4:43 pm

Well, here is the FT report:
“The UK experienced its highest ever temperature of 40.3C on Tuesday, according to the Met Office, as a heatwave gripped the country and caused widespread disruption on roads and railways and in the healthcare system.
The recording at Coningsby in Lincolnshire, 150 miles north of London, came as a large area of eastern and southern England suffered under extreme heat conditions. It eclipsed the previous all-time high of 38.7C set in Cambridge in 2019, and was almost matched in several parts of London, including Kew Gardens, Heathrow airport and St James’s Park, all of which recorded temperatures above 40C.”

Or Murdoch:
“A record-breaking high of 40.3C was recorded the Royal Air Force base of Coningsby in Lincolnshire in England’s east.
Heathrow Airport, south west of London, got to 40.2C That was then equalled in St James’ Park in central London close to Buckingham Palace. Kew Gardens, in west London, reached 40.1C.
Britain has never seen temperatures in the forties before. The previous high was 38.7C in Cambridge in 2019.”

The Manchester Evening News has a longer list of places exceeding 38.7C. They aren’t all airports:
3.12pm: Coningsby, Lincolnshire – 40.3
12.20pm: Heathrow, west London – 40.2
1.55pm: St James’s Park, central London – 40.2
3.26pm: Gringley-on-the-Hill, Nottinghamshire – 40.1
12.28pm: Kew Gardens, south west London – 40.1
12.39pm: Northolt, west London 40.0
1.29pm: Niab in Cambridge – 39.9
11.06pm: Charlwood, Surrey – 39.9
2.05pm: Cranwell, Lincolnshire – 39.9
3.30pm: Scampton, Lincolnshire – 39.9
2.37pm: Wittering, Cambridgeshire – 39.9
3.02pm: Bramham, West Yorkshire – 39.8
2.55pm: Monks Wood, Cambridgeshire – 39.8
2.07pm: Watnall, Nottinghamshire – 39.8
1.19pm: Bushey Park, Teddington, south west London – 39.6
3.08pm: Topcliffe North Yorkshire – 39.6
1.49pm: Woburn, Bedfordshire – 39.6
2.35pm: Bedford, Bedfordshire – 39.5
3.50pm: Normanby Hall, North Lincolnshire – 39.4
1.59pm: Sheffield, South Yorkshire – 39.4
2.28pm: Sutton Bonington, Nottinghamshire – 39.4
11.17pm: Wisely, Surrey – 39.3
11.39pm: Chertsey, Surrey – 39.2
1.39pm: Marham, Norfolk – 39.2
2.12pm: Holbeach, Lincolnshire – 39.1
2.01pm: Ryhill, West Yorkshire – 39.1
1.15pm: Writtle, Essex – 39.1
12.47pm: Santon Downham, Suffolk – 39.0
1.08pm: Wellesbourne, Warwickshire – 39.0
1.55pm: Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire – 38.9
12.20pm: Iver, Buckinhamshire – 38.9
1.04pm: Coleshill, Warwickshire – 38.8
1.24pm: High Beach, Essex – 38.8
2.57pm: Leeming, North Yorkshire – 38.8

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 5:16 pm

Thanks Nick, I think it’s safe to say that the UK highest temperature record has been broken and that it will reset at above +40C.

Reality strikes.

Bellman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:47 pm

What’s been unusual isn’t just whether it reached 40 or not, but how widespread it’s been. Usually record temperature is limited to a single place or so, which is why I’m not keen on concentrating on a single value.

But today, it was a very large part of the entire country beating their own records, and in many cases the overall record.

Look at any weather forum and it’s full of experienced weather watchers saying how extraordinary this has been.

Editor
Reply to  Bellman
July 19, 2022 8:19 pm

Your ignorance of past weather history of England and other parts of the world hurts your credibility since there were other “heat waves” longer than this one and more widespread as well too.

100 Degrees In London

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The Worst US July Heatwaves

Bellman
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 20, 2022 6:17 am

I said it was extraordinary, not that it was the longest lasting.

I don’t know much about the1911 summer to be fair. It certainly was hot for a long time, but was there a single day with anything like these temperatures across much of the country? It set a single max record that lasted until the 90s. But since then that record has been beating several times. In some places it set local records that were only beaten yesterday.

I wonder if WUWT in1976 would have been running articles claiming 1976 wasn’t extraordinary, because it hadn’t beaten the 1911 record?

Bellman
Reply to  Bellman
July 20, 2022 6:24 am

Looking at CET for instance, the maximum for Aug 9th 1911 was 30.9°C. There was one ther day that year over 30.

In 2022 we have just had a CET max of 34.8, followed by 37.3. More than 6 degrees warmer than the 1911 maximum that was regarded as a deadly heatwave at the time.

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Richard Page
Reply to  Bellman
July 20, 2022 6:53 am

Lets just deal with that first – all the temperatures recorded over 40C have been from next to a busy runway, covered in hot jet exhaust, or within the London UHI microclumate. This is not evidence of being widespread, but evidence that covering a weather station with jet exhaust, anywhere in England, gets you a warm temperature reading. If you had a single shred of decency or professionalism you’d treat airport and airfield temperatures with the contempt and disdain they deserve and just look at the areas away from the jets that recorded over 40C.

Bellman
Reply to  Richard Page
July 20, 2022 7:43 am

Deal with what? I said I don’t particularly care if a particular temperature was 40.1 or 39.9. it’s purely a psychological milestone. What I’m saying is that through an unusually large part of the country, stations were beating their own records.

Reply to  Richard Page
July 20, 2022 6:18 pm

“covering a weather station with jet exhaust, anywhere 
in England, gets you a warm temperature reading”
I doubt that RAF stations nowadays are pouring out that much jet exhaust. But whatever, their airfield status hasn’t changed. What has changed is the air temperatures they are reporting.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:54 pm

Meh.

LdB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:02 pm

You have a record hot and you thinks it’s the new norm so learn to live with it … that is the reality because you can’t change the world.

Mr.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 5:22 pm

“It’s hot, damn hot, so hot you can do a bit of crotch-pot cookin'”

Mr.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 5:30 pm

Living where you do Nick, 40C in Jan – Feb summers wouldn’t raise any eyebrows.

And now 3C winter mornings also wouldn’t raise any eyebrows.

How come all the good burghers of Moyhu haven’t become “climate refugees” and gravitated to Coolangatta?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2022 5:45 pm

Maybe because Austraia has air-con in private and public buildings and has railway lines that can easily cope with >35C temps.

In the UK, we don’t have these things and it wil cost billions to install them. That’s why eyebrows are being raised.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 7:14 pm

Yeah but Oz can get several episodes of 40c at intervals from November to March.

UK – not so much . . .

Editor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 8:21 pm

It is actually quite easy to mitigate short heat waves, in the UK but that requires thought……

LdB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:08 pm

No most Australians just learn to live with the heat in many rural houses they have no air conditioning. If your right and this is the new norm you will just have to learn to adapt … start by drinking cold beer 🙂

Dave Andrews
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 6:16 am

You’re forgetting that a short time back Network Rail put forward a plan to electrify some of the UK’s railways to meet net zero targets. The cost was around £30 billion . The Government rejected the plans

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 6:47 am

Interesting, in other reports I’ve seen the Nottinghamshire temperature was recorded at Robin Hood airport.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 22, 2022 3:33 pm

UHI is the climateers’ friend.

Bellman
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 19, 2022 3:29 pm

“That’s probably where the previous 40C was measured.”

What previous 40? The previous record for the UK was 38.7°C, recorded in Cambridge back in 2019.

Derg
Reply to  Bellman
July 19, 2022 6:26 pm

CO2 induced I am sure 😉

Of course, when cold weather is broken …it’s just weather.

Clown show indeed

Richard Page
Reply to  Bellman
July 20, 2022 10:19 am

Cambridge University Botanical Gardens, if I’m not mistaken?

ANDY MANSELL
July 19, 2022 6:57 am

Of course it’s all our fault- we’re dirty, grabbing capitalist pigs! It can’t possibly be China or India can it? I had this argument with a snowflake type at the weekend- I was stunned that this apparently intelligent young woman actually believed that stopping burning oil and gas in the UK would make any difference to anything, given how much developing countries use- she seemed to think that our weather was a direct result of what we do in the UK. Never mind whether it’s a big problem in the first place- she wouldn’t even discuss that- it was all, ‘Look at what we’re having to do- shut schools and offices, collect bins earlier, shelter indoors’, the list went on. I pointed out that weren’t doing those things because we HAD to, it was because we are a nation of snowflakes that over-react to everything and hide under the bed until The Government tells us we can come out. I asked if she realised that absolutely everything that she took for granted had been brought about by capitalism, which I am completely wrong about it seems. I also asked her if she was going out at all which of course she was, so bar staff, etc. were all expected to work of course. She just tutted and stormed off, which is the usual reaction of a snowflake when their delicate little world view is challenged. Interestingly, most of the middle aged or older folk I know, including a good few self-employed types, were enjoying the weather and pointing out that they’ll all be moaning about the cold soon enough. What a pathetic lot we’ve become- surviving war veterans must be wondering why they bothered…

Phil Rae
July 19, 2022 6:58 am

Absolutely spot-on, Paul (and Brendan O’Neill). The doomsday religious cult had lost the plot completely. So many articles on the BBC today boosting the climate apocalypse nonsense! Ridiculous!

John Larson
Reply to  Phil Rae
July 19, 2022 3:31 pm

Why call it a “religious” cult? This seems to be an atheistic (no God or gods) cult to me . . You know, like communism and such?

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Elliot W
Reply to  John Larson
July 19, 2022 5:02 pm

You don’t need a deity for a religion. Greenism is a medieval religion. Full of high priests (eg, algore), prophets (eg, Mann), saints (eg, Greta), extreme hypocrisy of the elite, sale of indulgences (carbon offsets), virtue signalling and religious rituals (eg, sorting your recycling when most is just landfilled anyway). Fact-based data-driven science is ignored in favor of “feelings”.
It’s like the Enlightenment is rolling backwards.

fretslider
July 19, 2022 6:58 am

All the hysteria just isn’t enough for some.

“In response to the apparent lack of enough alarmist press coverage of the heat wave in Britain, Extinction Rebellion climate change activists smashed windows of media mogul Rupert Murdoch’s headquarters in London.

At around 6:30 on Tuesday morning, several eco-warriors gathered outside Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch’s News UK building at London Bridge, with two activists smashing glass windows with hammers, while others spray-painted “Tell the truth” and “40 Degrees = Death” on the building.

In a press release, Extinction Rebellion (XR) said that they targetted Murdoch’s building over The Sun newspaper’s coverage of the recent heatwave, including showing people enjoying themselves on the beach and eating ice cream rather than focusing on what they call a climate crisis”.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/07/19/extinction-rebellion-break-windows-of-murdoch-headquarters-over-lack-of-heatwave-coverage/

Go outside. Sit in the shade. Have an ice-cream.” – heretic!!!!

Me? I’m downing a Kronenbourg…

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ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 7:50 am

Ah- Kronenbourg- king of beers for me! How many of these XR nutters will be in jail for their actions I wonder? What evidence do they have for their claim that 40c = death? Do they think that it’s preferable to have millions starve and freeze in harsh winters? I guess it is, so long as they’re filthy capitalist scum.

fretslider
Reply to  ANDY MANSELL
July 19, 2022 8:00 am

All of it exists solely between their ears. Call it belief, call it delusion or what you will, it’s a de-facto religion.

That’s why they obstructed 999 Ambulances with people dying in the back because some uptight middle class elitist kids think they have a right, no an entiltlement to tell the little people what to do and how to live. Even if they cause a death.

Older generation (left wing) academics have a lot to answer for

Rusty
July 19, 2022 6:59 am

Highest temperature at Heathrow airport. No surprises there. They always use Heathrow to get the hysteria going.

Temps have been lower than forecast. Where I am the official meteorological site has temps at 33.2°C when 38 was forecast and the BBC is saying it’s currently 37.

The media always make things out worse than they are.

fretslider
Reply to  Rusty
July 19, 2022 7:03 am

“Highest temperature at Heathrow airport”

Flights in and out seem pretty normal, every chance of a ‘record’.

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H B
Reply to  Rusty
July 19, 2022 7:22 am

Hit the nail there they are bullshitting the temperatures

Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 7:01 am

A couple of days ago I said on another thread that I doubted that even the Met office would be stupid enough to quote Heathrow temps. I was wrong, I just heard at 2:00PM on GBNews, the Met office have reported that the highest temp so far today of 40.2ºC has been recorded at (fanfare please) Heathrow! For those that missed it, Heathrow weather station is here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4792309,-0.4505824,58m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-GB

Maybe UHI?

GeeJam
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 7:18 am

The BBC are actually admitting (for once) the 40.2 Heathrow temp is influened by UHI effect.

fretslider
Reply to  GeeJam
July 19, 2022 8:17 am

Really?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 8:29 am

Several sites have already reported >40C temps today, not just Heathrow. These include Coningsby and Kew Gardens. Many more have reported temperatures more than 1.0C in excess of the existing UK record (37.8C). Like all new record reports, these will be treated as provisional until the UKMO carries out the usual checks. But it looks very likely that, at the very least, a new all time UK high temperature record has been set today and that this may well be in excess of 40C.

fretslider
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:40 am

London never got above 38

Heathrow is a joke- – check it on Google Earth

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:40 am

RAF Coningsby weather station is here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Coningsby/@53.0936887,-0.167513,264m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4878725b3a3d293d:0xd0e85c36046c428a!8m2!3d53.105091!4d-0.175141?hl=en-GB

Perhaps a more rural setting than Heathrow, but still too close to the runway for anything other than pilot information. I haven’t yet found the Kew Gardens weather station, if anyone knows where it is please post here.

TC in the OC
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 12:17 pm

Kew Gardens weather station is south of the Orangery on the westerly side of the Board Walk across from the Hive in the middle of a grassy area.
51.481894, -0.294340

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TC in the OC
July 19, 2022 12:40 pm

Looks to be the best sited of the three, but an asphalt footpath a few yards away may have an effect dependant on wind direction:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Coningsby/@51.4818983,-0.2942979,137m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4878725b3a3d293d:0xd0e85c36046c428a!8m2!3d53.105091!4d-0.175141?hl=en-GB

TC in the OC
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 2:29 pm

FWIW it seems a decent siting as it is in the middle of the London metro area. Most of the ones in So Cal seem to have been encroached by urban sprawl and are a lot worse.

Richard Page
Reply to  TC in the OC
July 19, 2022 3:53 pm

Kew Gardens reported a high of 39 today, not 40. Not sure where this bogus information is coming from but the only sites reporting over 39.7 have been active RAF stations and 3 airports. I’m not sure about the ones between 39 and 39.7 though – some may be RAF stations that I don’t recognise, the Met Office are trying to be cagey about where the weather stations are.

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 11:47 am

I hope you live…that evil CO2 thwarting your plans 😉

Old Man Winter
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 1:17 pm

Here’s a chilling thought- what if this is the last heatwave England gets for the next 100k yrs? Life is full of surprises!

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TheFinalNail
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 19, 2022 4:13 pm

What would you bet that it is?

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:28 pm

Certainly not you…you think CO2 is killer 😉

LdB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 10:11 pm

I guess what he is saying is you are not going to die from it and all we are hearing is a lot of whining and what do you want us to do about it?

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Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 20, 2022 8:55 am

But, but, but…..the weather station isn’t actually on the runway …..so there’s that. Equating a weather event to a climate emergency is beyond rediculous. Next time we have a weather breaking cold snap these fools should be reminded of what they said about this heat wave

Quelgeek
July 19, 2022 7:03 am

“Climate change causes heat wave” makes about as much sense as history causes events.

When someone starts showing me how carbon dioxide emissions affect the weather I will start thinking it can affect the climate.

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 19, 2022 7:54 am

I’ve been asking young snowflakes to show me this for some time- it isn’t even discussed any more, just assumed to be ‘a thing’- and all I ever get is insults or incredulity, as in how can I even ask such a thing? Isn’t that what science is supposed to do? I’m so glad I work long hours running my own business to pay taxes to keep these wretches.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 19, 2022 11:18 am

“When someone starts showing me how carbon dioxide emissions affect the weather I will start thinking it can affect the climate.”

I’m with you.

Yes, what’s the connection between CO2 and the Earth’s weather? Heat? How much heat? What does this unknown amount of heat do in the Earth’s atmosphere? Does it have a noticable effect? Does it makes things hotter or colder?

The Science isn’t settled.

RMoore
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 19, 2022 6:33 pm

Just curious but is there anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere that is having record cold right now?
Also is this warm weather due to a ridge of high pressure causing a heat dome effect of a diabetic heating of air as it descends in the dome similar to what occurred in the Pacific Northwest of the USA last year?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  RMoore
July 20, 2022 4:47 am

I’m in the northern hemisphere so don’t know much about the winter in the southern hemisphere although I have seen some people from there saying they were having a very cold winter.

Yes, this warm weather in the U.S. is due mainly to a persistent high pressure system hovering over the area. It is currently hovering over the western half of the U.S. and is expected to move to the eastern half of the U.S. over the next few weeks.

Here’s a view of the air circulation from Nullschool:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-106.40,27.30,350/loc=-107.397,34.855

As you can see the jet stream is moving from west to east across the northern U.S. The high pressure system causing the high temperatures is located over the western part of the U.S. (the center is marked). This high pressure system is big enough to cover almost half of the U.S. It will eventually move to the east coast, and cover the eastern half of the U.S.

When you are underneath such a high pressure system, the temperatures keep climbing day by day and the rains go away, especially in places that are far from the oceans.

This year is shaping up to be as hot as the time around 2011, which was a very hot, dry, extreme summer. One of the worst I’ve ever seen. But since then, the summers have been fairly mild and wet. Until this year. We are hoping the summers get mild and wet after this extreme summer, too, like they did after 2011. There’s no reason to think they won’t.

tom hewitt
July 19, 2022 7:10 am

During the Little Ice Age in particular, when crops failed in many parts of Europe, there was a frenzy of witch-hunting. Some in society ‘held the witches directly responsible for the high frequency of climatic anomalies’.”

There’s a reason for that. Post-menopausal women talk and act differently than their former selves

Greg
July 19, 2022 7:14 am

Guardian having a field day with “provisional” 40.2 deg C at Heathrow airport. I wonder how near that was to the rear end of a 747 ??? Where is Willis when you need him?

fretslider
Reply to  Greg
July 19, 2022 7:52 am

“at Heathrow airport”

Think small city – an UHI – with thousands of staff and passengers, think jet exhaust…

Think easy record temperature.

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TheFinalNail
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 8:34 am

Actually, it’s off the northern perimiter road, nowhere near the terminals and ~150m back from the runway edge.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 8:46 am

Yes, nicely placed to get lots of heat

51°28’43.4″N 0°26’56.5″W – Google Maps

If it didn’t record the actual high air temperature an aircraft would expect to encounter on take off it wouldn’t be much use for air traffic safety.

WMO03772, Heathrow: Britain’s Busiest Airport | Tallbloke’s Talkshop (wordpress.com)

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curly
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 9:42 am

Looks like a nearby hotel and several others not far away, presumably all with A/C running and dumping heat from the condenser units.

Or have they converted all hotels and homes to ground source heat pumps?

Mr.
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 9:43 am

I vaguely recollect that weather stations were essential to be sited at “ground zero” at major takeoff & landing tarmacs primarily for use by pilots.

It was expedient then that these same stations were included in general met sources.

However, pilots need actual, real-time weather readings at / proximate to tarmacs, including UHI effects, not “adjusted” or “homogenized” for regional records purposes.

Clearly, major airport temps stations should not be used for the purposes of claiming what actually happened at any particular time.

The duration of prevailing recorded temps events is so fleeting anyway as to be practically useless as a guide in planning any activities an hour each side of the day’s claimed max or min.

(Unless you’re trying to get a loaded B777 off the ground of course, which 99.9999% of the population aren’t required to do 🙂 )

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2022 11:23 am

As someone who previously held a PPL in South Africa, knowing the prevailing temperature and humidity of the air at the runway is critical for determining maximum take-off load and required runway length to clea5r a 50ft obstacle.

Using same temperature reading for climate purposes is nonsensical. Totally inappropriate.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 9:30 am

Did you look at the map? It’s adjacent to, as in right next to the black asphalt of the Northern Perimeter road, and if that’s 150 metres from the black asphalt runway I’m a Chinaman. Nearer 30, certainly less than 40, but in any case it’s not a suitable site to be measuring weather for the area, only for it’s intended purpose which is pilot information.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 19, 2022 4:16 pm

So you’re now saying its proximity to the road is more relevant than its proximity to the runway and terminals?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 2:02 am

Who mentioned terminals? I’m saying the site is surrounded by black asphalt, not just the road but the car parks beyond and the runway. There is no way this station should be used to claim a record.

Simon
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 2:50 pm

Think it has been there for a while so it registers the temperature it registers. It’s a relative thing. So unless the area has changed a lot then it is a record for that station.

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2022 4:01 pm

A Met Office temperature station uses siting criteria for a reason – to record ambient air temperatures, not heat from passing hot cars, hot aircraft, hot tarmac, brick and concrete. If you don’t understand what a contaminated site is, may I politely suggest that you go to the Met Office website and look at the siting requirements for valid temperature stations? Then perhaps you will see that an airport or RAF airfield temperature station is totally unsuitable for use to record ambient air temperatures in a network.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
July 19, 2022 4:18 pm

Richard is the ‘expert’ again. Oh dear.

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:29 pm

Lol…hello pot.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2022 6:29 pm

Colluuuusion clown is on the job.

You find the colluuuusion again?

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 20, 2022 12:15 am

DIIIIEEEEERGE Haha brilliant.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 20, 2022 3:06 am

And yet you are so stupid. Have you admitted that there was no colluuuusion or is it a religion like global warming?

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Greg
July 19, 2022 7:57 am

Absolutely THE best place for the Guardian and their dozens of readers!

Shytot
July 19, 2022 7:52 am

Snowflakes do tend to be susceptible to warming and heat in general …….

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Shytot
July 19, 2022 4:19 pm

The people crying about it seem mostly to be (self-appointed) ‘skeptics’.

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:30 pm

As the town crier comes on site 😉

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 8:12 pm

We’re not crying about it, we’re ridiculing it.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 19, 2022 7:56 am

Nowadays, heat waves lead directly to speakwaves.

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fretslider
July 19, 2022 8:06 am

The bad news is….

Badenoch is out, so we’re going full net zero with Truss (rod), Woke Mordaunt or World Economic Forum favourite and non-dom merchant banker Sunak.

Beam me up Scotty.

griff
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 8:26 am

No UK political party is ever going to roll back net zero

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:35 am

They will when the peasants start turning up at their homes or parliament with torches and pitchforks because of the deepening cost of living crisis, soaring energy prices and, possibly, blackouts.

Think Sri Lanka.

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HotScot
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 9:49 am

If the US mid-terms don’t go as expected for the Republicans, I don’t think the country will be far from a real insurrection.

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 10:28 am

Let’s face it, torches and pitchforks are all we’ll have…I read somewhere that Sunak says he’ll run the economy like Mrs T- what a joke. There isn’t a politician anywhere fit to hold her handbag!

Chris Foskett
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:43 am

No, but they will keep on kicking the can down the road until it is accepted that net zero is impossible and unnecessary.

Mr.
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:44 am

That’s because net zero will never be achieved.
(But we already know that)

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HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:47 am

It’s already getting kicked into the long grass.

Grow up FFS. What UK politician has ever been prosecuted for not conforming to a political ‘law’.

What are they going to do? Resurrect Theresa May from the grave in 2050 and wag their finger at her because her plan didn’t work?

Boris would be OK, he would just wave his arms around and tell everyone he did what Carrie told him.

Maybe someone will look at Sri Lanka and decide bankrupting the entire nation because of fools like you isn’t such a good idea. Then what? Jail him/her for missing NuttyZero or declare him/her a hero/heroine for saving the country?

Fracking will be allowed, the ban on gas boilers will be quietly dropped, the electric vehicle mandate will be watered down until it’s only for inner cities, and as we sail past 2050 everyone will have forgotten NetZero Law. It’s a generation away!

Redge
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:03 am

The UK has cut back its emissions to 46% of 1990 emissions.

Pray tell Griff, what difference has it made?

Old Man Winter
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 1:07 pm

You’re right. This whole thing’s been a scam for the libs to soak the Hoi Polloi with all this
useless RE. Once they have all the power & no longer need The True Believers™ to spread &
support their propaganda, they’ll just use whatever they want to- who will tell them they can’t?
Even now, the EU Commission says gas & nuclear are okay. With carbon capture, the evil coal
& oil can be blessed as being Net Zero, too. E-Z peasy!

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 19, 2022 8:21 pm

I believe Bugs said “ignoranimus”.

Quelgeek
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 8:35 am

A pretty unappetizing lineup to be sure. So now I am hoping for anyone but Mordaunt.

A bigger worry is how she is so popular in the party. There is a nasty rot in an organization that can back someone like her.

HotScot
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 19, 2022 9:57 am

Agreed. But I don’t like Sunak, cut him in half and he’s imprinted WEF like a stick of rock. I have liked Kemi Badenoch since day one, for obvious reasons, I just don’t think she has the experience to carry off the job.

Which leaves Liz Truss, who I have to say seems to have left her opposition to Brexit behind and done her job of negotiating trade deals well.

We’re not reversing Brexit, it just won’t happen no matter the hysteria from remainers. The EU probably doesn’t want us back and to get back in we would be punished badly. They didn’t want us in the first place.

At least Truss has a fairly consistent voting record resisting the climate nonsense, even if she’s not prepared to come out and condemn it. Probably why Kemi isn’t more popular, she is a dyed in the wool climate sceptic and very anti WOKE.

She stood up in parliament and blasted those calling her a victim just because of her skin colour.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 9:32 am

Merchant banker.. isn’t that rhyming slang?

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 11:05 am

Look at Truss’s voting record, consistently against climate policies.

Derek Tyburczyk
July 19, 2022 8:10 am

Hysteria manifests in the ideologue’s mind, due to ideological suppression of logical thought. The human brain doesn’t function well under constant duress. The fight or flight mode is leading them by their collective ‘noses’. It must surely be a living hell to go through life, perpetually seeking all that is wrong, and scary. Mass formation psychosis, perpetuated by the media, and government sycophants.

griff
Reply to  Derek Tyburczyk
July 19, 2022 8:26 am

It doesn’t function too well in the 39C it is outside my door right now.

A hot summer day in the UK would be 27.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:37 am

You are obviously too young to remember 1976 then? Still the hottest summer on record.

Mr.
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 9:54 am

I feel for the folks back in say 1911 who had to experience these same hot spells dressed in 3-piece woolen suits, and neck-to-ankle dresses over layers of undergarments.

And not an airconditioned theatre or pub in sight!

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 10:34 am

I remember that one- we were at the coast and the atmospheric conditions caused the TV in our flat to pick up broadcasts from Europe, (I’m guessing Denmark or Belgium but I don’t know which), whilst making the UK channels unwatchable. We played on the beach, used suncream, went in the sea, ate ice lollies…and no one thought it was a disaster. How bad of us not to feel shame!

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 4:25 pm

You are obviously too young to remember 1976 then? Still the hottest summer on record.

You’re a bit out of date, for a ‘thinking scientist’.

The summers of 2003, 2006 and 2018 were all warmer than the summer of 1976, according to the UKMO, which compiles the record you’re referring to.

It’s easy enough check thngs like this on the internet, if you’re the type of scientist who thinks.

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ThinkingScientist
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 12:19 am

Nope still the hottest on average, try downloading the UK average maximum temps and checking out summer:

Here’s the Top 20:

Rank Temp year
1 21.01 1976
2 20.64 1995
3 20.62 2018
4 20.49 2006
5 20.36 1899
6 20.26 2003
7 20.18 1933
8 20.14 1911
9 20.01 1947
10 19.96 1983
11 19.95 1975
12 19.87 1887
13 19.75 2013
14 19.70 1955
15 19.57 1989
16 19.57 2021
17 19.56 1893
18 19.55 1949
19 19.53 1959
20 19.50 1984

And always good to see 1899, 1933, 1911 and 1947 still in the Top 10 – oldies but goodies!

One of the issues with using min/max temps is that the diurnal range is reducing over time, noticeably so in UK station recrods. So using min/max we get increasing averages because the min is going up, less so the max. Lots of problems with that scientifically including UHI etc, boundary effects etc. as a consistent measure.

Lindzen pointed out many years ago you should really only look at maximum temps because they are largely unaffected by local conditions. And max temps still leave 1976 in 1st place.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 20, 2022 2:01 am

And just put the final nail in your argument, even the MEt Office agrees with me:

Summer 2018 was the equal-second warmest summer in a UK series from 1884 for mean daily maximum temperature (shared with 1995) with summer 1976 hottest. 

What is a heatwave? – Met Office

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:39 am

How would you know? You’re not of this planet.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:30 am

The wind’s been on holiday the past several days. The sun always has the nights off. Both
have been unreliable when you needed them most!

Redge
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:04 am

That’s a hot day, not a hot summer

Redge
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:06 am

You’d think unreliables would be working well in these conditions – this is from yesterday

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Pflashgordon
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 12:49 pm

At 39-40C, I am still outside running (I’m close to 70 yrs young) or mowing the grass. It’s not pleasant, but it is quite bearable if you don’t do something dumb like not drink water or walk barefoot on hot asphalt. Anyhow, you normally just plan your activities around the peak heat. Why do you think Mexicans take siestas?

LdB
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:16 pm

You clearly just need to install more wind turbines so you are in their shade and you can sell all that free electricity to others. Solved it for you Griff 🙂

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LdB
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:41 pm

Apparently nor does your power grid work to well in it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62222195

I thought you had a modern superior grid … remember you bagged the Texas grid and the UK one was so much better. Clearly more HVDC interconnectors need to be built to solve the issue.

HotScot
July 19, 2022 8:15 am

I live in the Dartford/Gravesend area of Kent where we usually enjoy around the highest of the summer temperatures.

We were assured last night was ‘the hottest night eveh!’, but I can promise, we have had much warmer nights.

My daughter lives in a nice, brand new flat in London. Doubtless, one would imagine, built to the highest environmental standards. Except that, it was 30ºC in the flat last night.

During the day it has reached 35ºC and they are North facing, the South facing flats are even higher. No air conditioning of course, far too environmentally irresponsible.

The public are being laughed at by green grifters making a huge fast buck from this bollox.

griff
Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 8:25 am

Not according to the Met Office you haven’t. And yes, a brand new flat would have more insulation – and yet it is still that hot even when North facing. That’s the climate change related heat causing that

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:38 am

Er, no. That’s the plume of hot Saharan air caused by a wiggle in the jetstream.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 4:35 pm

It’s always just the result of a little ‘wiggle in the jetstream’. Like the massive heat in NW Canada last year was just another little ‘wiggle in the jetstream’.Will never happen again in our lifetimes, we were told.

All these little ‘wiggles in the jetstream’ that result in record warming and destruction over vast regions…

Just a coincidence that they are also the long-projected outcomes of man-made global warming?

Do you believe that? Are you waking up?

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 5:43 pm

There again is that most-used word by proponents of agw –
“BELIEVE”

What’s to “believe”?

You look at current events, you look at historical events, you see that they’ve happened previously, and you conclude –
what’s new?

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:31 pm

“Massive” 😉

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 12:21 am

Just a coincidence that they are also the long-projected outcomes of man-made global warming?

Got a reference for that – from say 15 or 20 years ago? As opposed to one made up post-hoc

Shytot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:52 am

It could be the heat from all of those inefficient wind turbines

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Shytot
July 19, 2022 10:36 am

Or all the hot air from Griff and the lefty green windbags tut-tutting at us.

Steve Case
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:58 am

 That’s the climate change related heat causing that
__________________________________________

Not much different than:  That’s the Devil causing that.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Steve Case
July 19, 2022 5:50 pm

Other than that there is abundant evidence for global warming. A devil, not so much.

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:33 pm

Tsk tsk…we moved from global warming to climate change and now climate extinction…stay on message chap.

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:16 am

The MET office doesn’t sleep in my bed. 🙄

Climate change related heat my aunt fanny. My brother in law is a commercial air conditioning design engineer in Bermuda. He took one look at the pictures we sent him of the building and said “far too much glass with internal air transfer up the stairwell”.

Sod all to do with climate, it’s a badly designed building!

Will you ever in your life make a comment that doesn’t involve vomiting over your keyboard?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:38 am
Redge
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:07 am

No mate, that’s the weather

LdB
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:18 pm

So build underground
https://www.cooberpedy.com/underground-living-dugouts/
Then have your wind turbines up above and sell that free electricity

See solved it for you again 🙂

griff
July 19, 2022 8:23 am

Well here we are with a string of places beating the UK temperature record – not just Heathrow… hottest min overnight temperature too

France and Portugal and Spain aflame and with record heat (and btw they have excellent forest management in those nations)… rivers drying up and glaciers collapsing in Italy and so on…

Uk has had its 10 hottest years post 2002 and 2 of its highest 10 temps in 1990, the rest this century…

and apparently this is all just weather.

Well if you believe that, please nip outside for a nice jog this afternoon.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 8:39 am

2 days of hot weather. And? Its still weather. What else could it be?

And what have flames got to do with it? Are you suggesting that combustion is significantly different at 40 degC than 35 degC?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
July 19, 2022 4:39 pm

Combustion and fuel are two different things.

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:33 pm

So is CO2 and water vapor 😉

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:35 am

Meanwhile the southern hemisphere is breaking cold records.

So just how does this global warming thingy work? Half a planet at a time? Media driven hysteria? You vomiting over your keyboard?

and btw they have excellent forest management in those nations

Which suggest the fires were induced by something other than heat. Heat alone, even at 40ºC+ does not ignite forest’s.

Uk has had its 10 hottest years post 2002 and 2 of its highest 10 temps in 1990, the rest this century…

Thankfully, we are emerging from an ice age. The planet has only been as cold on a couple of occasions without being in a full blown ice age, or we’d be dying from the cold.

Which reminds me, just what is the Excess Summer Death rate? Oh! Right, there isn’t such a thing, it’s reserved for the 20,000 or so Excess Winter Deaths we suffer annually in the UK, largely from cold related conditions. They are called ‘Excess Winter Deaths’ because they are over and above what we experience in the summer, which is considered a normal death rate.

Well if you believe that, please nip outside for a nice jog this afternoon.

Racism now! Are you telling everyone that only African’s, Spaniard’s, Algerian’s etc. can run in the heat and that it’s impossible for the ‘white supremacist British’ to do so?

Your vomit is still dribbling down your face.

Editor
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 9:51 am

As usual you ignore the long history of English weather and in Europe in general where it has been hotter and longer lasting.

100 Degrees In London

Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 19, 2022 1:50 pm

100 Degrees In London“That’s 37.8°C. Now it has reached 40°C.

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 2:00 pm

Nick are you saying this is weather or global warming?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Derg
July 19, 2022 5:51 pm

Or is he just pointing out that the UK now gets temps of over 40C?

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:34 pm

Or is it weather?

Climate believer
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 11:39 pm

“now gets”

… that escalated quickly.

Editor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 19, 2022 8:25 pm

Did you open the link?

It is the TITLE of the post.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 20, 2022 2:22 am

Did you open the link?”
Yes. It says nothing more than that it was “100 Degrees In London”

You’ve posted it several times now. Yesterday it was 104 degrees in London. So what was your point?

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 3:35 am

That you make it up?

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 6:21 am

I hear it’s very cold in Australia right now.

Mr.
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:00 am

Griff, mate if I was as continually spooked as you are by what the weather was going to be like on any given day, I think I’d just pull the doona over my head and stay in bed permanently.

I understand you can get help for these afflictions though.
Try this one –

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2022 4:40 pm

Yet you frequently comment on a blog that is concerned with weather/climate.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 5:47 pm

Yeah, but unlike Griff, I’m not SPOOKED by what the weather brings.

Remember, we’re living in a age where deaths from weather events are ~ 90% lower than they were in my grandparents’ youth.

How lucky are we?

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 19, 2022 6:34 pm

Hello pot?

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:04 am

“and apparently this is all just weather.”

… hate to break it to you like this but………. yes.

As for France, 9 out of 10 of these forest fires start with a pratt and a match.

A criminal act, not a climate alarmists wet dream.

HotScot
Reply to  Climate believer
July 19, 2022 10:20 am

Vomit boy has been told this by innumerable people over the years.

Just doggedly sticks to his fantasy though.

Climate believer
Reply to  Climate believer
July 19, 2022 12:30 pm

“France and Portugal and Spain aflame and with record heat (and btw they have excellent forest management in those nations)… “

Yes they generally do, except the fire in the forest next to La-Teste-de-Buch, (Bordeaux) is different.

I’ll keep it simple.

The forest has in fact been at the heart of a legal battle for years, and the only forest in France to be governed by very old texts called “Baillettes and transactions”, which date from the Middle Ages. 

The forest belongs to hundreds of owners who have plots on it, but “the public” also have rights to this forest and can notably obtain wood for free.

The conflict opposes the owners and the users around the interpretation of the texts of the 15th century and what they authorize or not.

This quarrel took a turn two years ago when one of the owners, submitted a management plan for classic forest law to be reinstalled and also gain the right to be able to market the wood, describing a forest which has not been maintained since the 1980s” . 

The Association for User Rights, opposed it, supported by environmentalist Senator Monique de Marco, and the local mayor.

A diplomatic report was written by the government upholding public rights but insisting on the need to clean up and secure the forests fire protection access.
A perfectly reasonable plan of action.

Early 2021 the work started but was cut short by more eco-fascist protest in the courts.

The result, a fire that’s taken out 6500 hectares (16000 acres) unnecessarily, which could have been avoided, or certainly reduced.

Eco loons saving the planet 1 hectare at a time… these people ruin everything.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Climate believer
July 19, 2022 4:41 pm

So it’s not real then, the fire?

Climate believer
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 20, 2022 3:07 am

I obviously didn’t keep it simple enough.

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:10 am

That’s OK griff, I’ll do the work you should be doing for yourself re Summer deaths.

Reality check: New study finds that each year almost 80 times more Britons die from cold than from heat
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, 7 July 2022

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HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 11:22 am

Some more factual information for you. India’s ‘unprecedented’ 2015 heatwave which went on for around 2 months before the monsoons arrived.

Heat waves are common in India between March and June, and the country’s meteorological service declares a heat wave when the air temperature at the surface rises by 5–6 °C (9–10.8 °F) above the normal daily maximum temperature of 40 °C (104 °F). (Brittanica)

As you can see, from a population of 1.3Bn people, there were 2,081 deaths.

Heat is not the problem.

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TonyS
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 12:02 pm

Griff,

If you’re anything to do with this company, https://www.griffservices.co.uk/ and I rather suspect you may well be, it would explain your dogged refusal to see anything but the hands of man in every weather event that nature throws at us.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TonyS
July 19, 2022 12:48 pm

Shouldn’t that be grief services? Far more descriptive of the business.. “buy our solar panels and have grief for evermore”..

LdB
Reply to  griff
July 19, 2022 10:20 pm

You convinced me Griff you are doomed mate … do you want me to send flowers or minstrels to your wake?

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Yooper
July 19, 2022 9:12 am

While still in the UK

BBC Headline:”Shetland’s Lerwick dodges heatwave with top temperature of 14C

It is actually quite warm out there. One of my dataloggers, in a home-made white-plastic screen and in the shade under a small tree is presently (16:54 BST on 19 July) reading 41.0°C

Have just had a cruise round the block (on my little leccy scooter ##) and into the nearby forest and the ford where the river goes through.
With a little thermocouple thermometer

Among the trees themselves I got 37.5°C
Under a huge weeping willow and among other trees on the river bank I got 35.5°C while the water itself was 24.5°C
Tis thirsty work is Climate Science – the water was drinkable but ‘a bit on the warm side’.
(It comes from under a Limestone cliff about 20 miles upstream in Derbyshire – a bit low in Iodine but masses of Magnesium – gotta keep yer wits about you while doing Climate Science)
Perfect for paddling in though 🙂

## Yes, I’m trying Save The World.
Sadly my venture out on an EV didn’t fix The Climate but I know where I went wrong:

  • My willy isn’t big enough
  • I don’t have Supercomputer or Sputnik
  • I forgot my ‘superman’ cape – all planet saving heroes need capes don’t they.
  • More research is not needed – the water did it as I just (above) illuminated. Period

And Holy H Cow – is the sugar beet in the farmer’s fields looking sad or what.
Flat as fug.

And what I genuinely thought to be a crop of onions (Aye Kidde Ye Notte) turned out to be Maize = maize destined for the digester just down the road
Miniature maize going nowhere fast.

Not just wind and sun that make for intermittent energy

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Climate believer
July 19, 2022 8:44 am

“UK reaches hottest ever temperature as 40.2C recorded at Heathrow”
A lifetimes supply of the Guardian for our winner Mr Fretslider for his amazing powers of prediction…

Fretslider:

“Heathrow is on standby….”

Olen
July 19, 2022 8:45 am

It’s the three bears theme of too hot too cold, too hard too soft and just right. The only difference is the three bears had no malice while the climate change crowd have created a culprit in the human race ignoring the Sun and weather. And the three bears were normal except for invading a home.

Vuk
July 19, 2022 8:52 am

July 19, 2022 8:31 am
What is about the UK’s airports geography (/sarc), i.e.half a mile from Gatwick airport, Heathrow airport and Coningsby RAF base airport, that around midday, rather than early or mid afternoon today recorded the UK’s highest ever temperature?

jeff corbin
July 19, 2022 8:57 am

Relief is coming in the form of a frontal boundary and rain, West of the boundary in Wales it is 83 F, East of it it is in the 102 to 106 (Peterbourgh) across England. I don’t think heat island provides a good explanation for these high temps, although I am sure it is a contributing factor depending on the location of the temperature sensors. Seems the heat is everywhere in East of the frontal boundary.

jeff corbin
Reply to  jeff corbin
July 19, 2022 9:05 am

London has had a least a dozen significant heat ways since the early 20th century. The last one was in 2019 and today’s heat appears to be the worst. The question about the expanse of unban sprawl’s heat island effect and placement of heat censors as a contributing factor is anyone’s guess. The standard for the placement of temperature sensors placement is a key issue. I have temp sensors placed on the North, West and Southern sides of my house. In last afternoon, the West temperature sensor can be at 111 and the East at 82, Know doubt it is ridiculously hot in England today but senor placement standards are key.

George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 8:57 am

There is no question of Anthropogenic Global Climate Change. We have perturbed the Stable State of the interacting complex energy systems which determine climate. It will now oscillate between greater and greater extremes until if finds a new Stable State. It may not be one conducive to human habitat.

George Kamburoff
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 8:59 am

The mathematics of the behavior of complex and interacting systems describes the destabilization of Stable States resulting in dramatic changes through a period of increasingly extreme oscillations, leading to dramatic discontinuity and the establishment of a new Stable State.
So it is called Catastrophe Theory.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 9:08 am

George, please show, with graphs if possible, when the Earth’s climate was in a “stable state” as you declared. Go back in time as far as you like to show us this stable climate that existed before man’s interference.

George Kamburoff
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
July 19, 2022 9:14 am

Pick one yourself. How long were dinosaurs around? How long before single cell organisms went to multiple cells? Those were stable periods for millions of years and changes were gradual except for mass extinctions. We are losing species as fast as the last mass extinction now. The changes are too fast for live to keep up.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 9:49 am

Name some of the species that went extinct. No computer models.

HotScot
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
July 19, 2022 10:11 am

From memory, the Zoologist Lord Matt Ridley informs us that only one ‘species’, as opposed to a sub species, has gone extinct in over 100 years, other than on islands, including Australia.

Nothing to do with climate though for either of the groups. It’s been largely down to introduced predators like Rat’s, Dog’s and Cats killing off indigenous, vulnerable animals.

6th Great extinction my aunt fanny!

HotScot
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 10:06 am

You’re telling us you’re old enough to have been hanging around when the dinosaurs were around, with your thermometer, suitably calibrated, to determine a 1ºC shift (or less) in global temperatures over 150 years?

Go back to sleep Rip.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 3:18 pm

Here’s a graph. Please point to the stable period George. Thanks in advance.

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Mr.
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
July 19, 2022 10:46 am

Hoyt, George is referring to a Stable State”.

This condition is so important that apparently it now has to be capitalized.

Capitalizing a term means that it is beyond need for explanation.

Any ‘educated’ person under 25 years old will confirm this for you.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 10:21 am

This sounds more like religion than science.

Oh, wait..

Derg
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 11:49 am

A sphincter says what?

tgasloli
July 19, 2022 8:59 am

“…activism is less and less about coming up with practical solutions to the problem of pollution…”

Well, that is because, at least in America, the air is clean, the water is clean, and there is no such thing as human caused climate change.

The pollution problem is already solved; environmental protection should be in maintenance mode, not crusader mode. But maintenance mode doesn’t come with the narcissistic ego high that comes with all out crazy zealot mode.

Michael in Dublin
July 19, 2022 9:02 am

There is another and even more important aspect of green lunacy:
People who know nothing about the engineering of energy are behind the ruinous drive to “green energy” that has wrecked energy markets, sent energy prices soaring, ravaged the environment, further impoverished the poor and has caused riots around the world

https://www.biznews.com/energy/2022/07/19/electricity-crisis-engineering-basics

George Kamburoff
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 19, 2022 9:18 am

Try me. I am a former senior engineer for PG&E in California with a Master of Science in Environmental Management. My entire household and two electric cars are powered by the PV solar system on the roof of our house. It paid back in three years in gasoline savings alone, and would take six years in power savings alone. But now we get free power, do not have to go out to “gas up” and do not need tune-ups, oil changes, transmission worries or emissions tests or any engine maintenance at all. Don’t forget to open your garage door before warming up your polluter.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 9:56 am

No wonder PG&E is so messed up. I prefer to use my lights at night so solar doesn’t do much. Plus my heater works the most at night so again solar is useless. I get an oil change once every 9000 miles, tune-up every 100,000 miles. You’ll be looking at new batteries then. They are a little more expensive than the tune-up or oil change. And I can go anywhere I want without returning to home base to charge up.

Dave Fair
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 19, 2022 8:46 pm

Good luck with the coming rolling blackouts, George. You should have majored in Electrical Engineering; then you would understand some of the technical discussions.

Spectr
Reply to  George Kamburoff
July 20, 2022 2:12 am

Free batteries and food from PG&E, right?
Pretty soon the cheapest EV will be around 300k, ideal for the millions of California homeless.

Jeff Alberts
July 19, 2022 9:12 am

No heatwave in Western Washington (at least not my part of it). Mid July and and it’s barely gotten out of the 60s. We had two days of about 80 in June, other than that, zilch.

George V
July 19, 2022 9:21 am

It’s because of rich people.”

OK, if that’s the case, then move the World Economic Conference to Zoom instead of Davos, incarcerate Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, John Kerry, Al Gore, Larry Fink of Blackrock Financial, and others of their ilk until they sell their limousines, private jets, ginormous yachts and estates that require the equivalent of the hot breath of Godzilla to heat in winter and similar energy to cool.

When that happens I might pay a tiny bit of attention to you. And no, I will not sit quietly and eat my nutritional paste derived from insects, even if it is jalapeno flavored.

Doonman