Ian Plimer (source Sky News)

“Exposing the ‘modern green religion'” Published in the Catholic Standard

Essay by Eric Worrall

Archbishop Julian Porteous of Tasmania, Australia is in hot water over promoting the words of climate “denier” Ian Plimer, on the seventh anniversary of the Pope’s climate encyclical “Laudato Si”.

Archbishop accused of promoting climate change denier’s views on anniversary of Pope’s landmark letter

By Loretta Lohberger

Tasmania’s Archbishop has been accused of promoting the views of a climate change denier at the same time the global church is marking the seventh anniversary of Pope Francis’ encyclical Laudato Si: On care for our common home.

Key points:

  • The official publication of the Catholic Church in Tasmania has published an article quoting a climate change denier
  • The article appeared at the same time the church globally was marking the seventh anniversary of Pope Francis’ encyclical Laudato Si: on care for our common home
  • Concerned Catholics Tasmania said the article had caused widespread concern among the faithful

The May edition of the Catholic Standard included an article titled Exposing the ‘modern green religion’, a report of a speech given by geologist Professor Ian Plimer in Hobart at the invitation of the Christopher Dawson Centre, a think tank established by Archbishop Julian Porteous.

In the article, Catherine Sheehan, the Archdiocese of Hobart’s communications coordinator, wrote: “Professor Ian Plimer has written his most recent book on what he believes is a worrying trend in the debate of the science of climate change.

“He argues that the movement claiming human activity is responsible for global warming has been transformed into a ‘modern green religion’ filling the void left by the decline of traditional Christianity in first-world Western countries.

“For 25 years Professor Plimer has been asking fellow scientists to provide even one study that clearly shows human emissions of carbon dioxide are causing global warming. To date, he maintains no such proof has been offered.”

Ten climate scientists reviewed the article for Climate Feedback, a global network of scientists who fact-check and analyse claims made in the media and said: “As was the case with three other op-eds written by Plimer that we evaluated previously, reviewers unanimously rated the scientific credibility of this article ‘very low’ … the scientists identify a large number of inaccurate or incorrect statements about the way Earth’s climate system works, how climate has changed during Earth’s history, and what we know about the impacts of continued climate change.”

The article was also found to have breached standards by the Australian Press Council.

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/tasmanian-archbishop-accused-of-promoting-climate-denier-views/101146274

The article “Exposing the ‘modern green religion'” is available here. All fairly mild for a climate critique, it points out that the EV industry is driving child slave labour in Africa’s cobalt mines, challenges the environmental credibility of renewable energy, challenges the claim we are experiencing unusual climate shifts. Also mentions Ian Plimer’s book “Green Murder”.

Heaven forbid that Catholics would pay heed to Proverbs 31:8 :- “Speak out on behalf of the voiceless, and for the rights of all who are vulnerable”. There is an ongoing effort to censor climate skeptics, or even imprison climate skeptics, for the crime of disagreeing with others in public.

Those child slaves in the EV battery Cobalt mines of Africa, or the Chinese Uyghur slaves manufacturing cheap solar panels for the Western green energy revolution, could do with more people speaking up on their behalf.

The ABC claimed “the article was also found to have breached standards by the Australian Press Council.“. I can’t find a reference to any adjudication on the Press Council website. But we’re talking about the same body which once tried to adjudicate against James Delingpole for breach of standards, when Delingpole suggested wind turbines are a noisy, medically harmful government funded Ponzi scheme, so I don’t take anything the Press Council says too seriously.

The one thing this over the top fuss has achieved is massive publicity for the Catholic Standard article. Likely not what the climate puritans at the ABC intended.

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Tom Halla
June 12, 2022 6:11 pm

Bergoglio was raised under the Peron dictatorship, so Pope Francis feels comfortable with quasi fascist authoritarians. The greens definitely have fascist tendencies, combining socialism with a rejection of reason.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 12, 2022 6:18 pm

He’s planning to retire soon. He’s lining up someone even worse I suppose. Might as well be Nancy Pelosi.

Mr.
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 12, 2022 7:10 pm

I’d like to see that.
Credibility of 2 dodgy institutions finally destroyed in one move.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 12, 2022 10:39 pm

If Nancy Lugosi took over it would become a bloodbath
I think she might bathe in it to maintain her youthful appearance

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Bryan A
June 13, 2022 11:34 am

What “youthful appearance” is that?

Giordano Milton
June 12, 2022 6:35 pm

Pope Paul V would have been proud of Francis. Maybe Francis can reinstitute the Inquisition to send “deniers” for confessions, the same way Paul V sent Galileo.

Mr.
Reply to  Giordano Milton
June 12, 2022 7:12 pm

Countdown to someone posting Monty Python’s “Spanish Inquisition” skit.

5.4.3.2 . ..

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Mr.
June 12, 2022 8:12 pm

That’s unexpected.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 12, 2022 10:45 pm

And now for something completely different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8n4MfhjUc
And a word from our sponsors

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Bryan A
June 13, 2022 12:30 am

After all those years still fresh. The perfect antidote against against those who feel offended.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Bryan A
June 13, 2022 11:42 am

I have never seen this… what movie was it?

Richard Page
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
June 13, 2022 1:19 pm

‘History of the World: Part 1″.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Mr.
June 12, 2022 8:25 pm

Classics are classics because they are over the target.

Cleese today could reenact the Ministry of Silly Walks as a devastating takedown of Departments of Climate Change.
The more things change ….

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
June 12, 2022 9:58 pm

He would create the Ministry of Silly Talks.

Richard Page
Reply to  Giordano Milton
June 13, 2022 3:50 am

‘Reinstitute?’ The various inquisitions of the Catholic church never went anywhere – still part of the modern church, although renamed as the ‘Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’ nowadays.

H.R.
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 6:48 am

Oh yes. That sounds so much better than “Inquisition,” Ed.

*sigh* It’s all about marketing nowadays.

Richard Page
Reply to  H.R.
June 13, 2022 8:33 am

Of course – the Catholic church was one of the first practitioners of spin doctoring and mass marketing.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 11:43 am

And Suppression, of course.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 9:02 am

I wonder if they still believe in that Do Not Bear False Witness thingy.

David Rice
June 12, 2022 6:44 pm

The Archbishop is speaking truth to the power of a Godd@mned Communist “pope”! Guaranteed he will be persecuted for it.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/26/pope-francis-promotes-a-cultural-revolution-against-climate-skeptic-us-bishops/

Len Werner
June 12, 2022 6:47 pm

I read this immediately after reading an article where the city of Boston–I checked, ‘the Boston area is home to 28 prestigious universities and colleges’…including Harvard–is installing urine detectors in elevators so cleaners can be alerted as soon as someone urinates in them. This is not a definition of an Ivy League town.

I bet that if I pointed out that in Boston basic human decorum is not as civilized as it ought to be in a Harvard town that I’d be as censored as someone pointing out that not all is well in climate alarmism in Australia or the Catholic Church.

Mohatdebos
Reply to  Len Werner
June 12, 2022 7:25 pm

The late Prime Minister (dictator) of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, mandated that elevators have cameras to discourage people from urinating. Of course the penalty for urinating, public caning, was a significant deterrent.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Mohatdebos
June 12, 2022 10:02 pm

He also cured the public of the rather disgusting habit of horking and spitting any and everywhere – something once considered impossible. Singapore is mostly spotless everywhere.

asiaseen
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
June 13, 2022 7:05 am

Singapore is mostly spotless

In my practical experience Singapore is more like a small boy – clean face, dirty behind the ears.

William Wilson
Reply to  Mohatdebos
June 13, 2022 9:33 am

I know people who would queue up for that.

Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 6:55 pm

Either Dr. Plimer was misquoted or else he is seriously misinformed about past temperatures. He states that:
“If we look at the last 1,000 years, we’ve had five degrees of cooling.”
https://hobart.catholic.org.au/2022/05/10/exposing-the-modern-green-religion/

Now that statement is so wrong that it is hard to believe that he wasn’t misquoted.
5 degrees of cooling would put us in the middle of another ice age.

n.n
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 7:10 pm

The medieval warming period, the little ice age, followed by global warming, global cooling, global warming again, and a pause with minute estimated global anomalies… climate change.

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Mr.
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 7:16 pm

Listen, Izaak –
Joe Biden was around 1,000 years ago, and he remembers it being hot back then.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Mr.
June 12, 2022 7:22 pm

Proof: he sweated more than now when children rubbed his hairy legs! 😮

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Gunga Din
Reply to  Mr.
June 13, 2022 7:08 am

That’s only because the AC in his 18-wheeler EV stopped working.
The batteries caught fire.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 8:27 pm

We “are” in an ice age.

Mores the pity for us

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 8:54 pm

I can’t see anywhere but, what sort of ‘degrees‘ was he talking about:
Fahrenheit or Celsius

Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that he was ‘setting a trap
A Trap for:

  • the unwary
  • the unthinking
  • the unintelligent,
  • the uneducated & ill-educated
  • the brainwashed
  • the ones who don’t want to be educated
  • the conclusion jumpers
  • the useful idiots and sheeple
  • muppets and other clowns
  • Neanderthals who think with their fists
  • messenger assassins
  • liars cheats and freeloaders and hypocrites
  • etc etc

What do you see in the mirror?

(I made that list just now and ‘on the hoof‘ or ‘shot from the hip‘ and it dawned – as it just did here in Nottinghamshire…

Does Climate Science have any redeeming qualities?

Simon
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 12, 2022 9:42 pm

Plimer became the laughing stock of the scientific community when he got caught telling porkies about how volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans. Seems he just makes figures up. No way we have had 5 degrees of cooling in the last 1000 years even in denier land.
He gets one thing right though. He dislikes creationists is seems.

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R_G
Reply to  Simon
June 12, 2022 9:58 pm

Wrong again, you are the laughing stock.

Simon
Reply to  R_G
June 12, 2022 10:04 pm

Well come on… here’s your chance. Where was I wrong?

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 2:04 am

Simon,
You were wrong because nobody knows with any certainty just how much CO2 is put into the oceans by volcanic action at the floors and walls of the oceans.
If Ian Plimer can propose that there is a lot, he is just as credible as those who claim there is a little.
Simon, do you have any data to show? Geoff S

PeterPetrum
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
June 13, 2022 3:30 am

Quite correct. Plimer gave (in his recent book Green Murder) a reasonable argument to assume that there are literally hundreds of thousands of volcanic vents on the ocean floors spewing out both CO2 and SO2. The CO2 has the same isotope fingerprint as CO2 produced by burning coal and gas and is thus indistinguishable from “man made” CO2. He surmised that CO2 from this source could be up to half of the 3% attributed to man’s activities.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 12, 2022 10:15 pm

And the Russia colluuuusion clown appears

Simon
Reply to  Derg
June 12, 2022 10:19 pm

Mate you are one sick puppy. So here’s your chance Dirge… Where was I wrong re Plimer? Hey and I see Trumps own daughter now saying he lost the election. I wonder if he will ever be man enough to admit he lost. My pick is no. The man(boy) is a coward…

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Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 12, 2022 10:25 pm

You are a moron. Russia colluuuusion indeed.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
June 12, 2022 10:57 pm

“Dirge”… a boring repetitive droning noise. Yep…I think that about sums you up.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 4:07 am

Yep you were droning on and on about fake Russia colluuuusion. You are the moron who owns it.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 2:33 am

Tell you what Simon, when you’ve finished calling someone sick, prove the current warming of the climate isn’t natural. We’ll wait…
(Oh, and remember: models aren’t data and they aren’t proof)

Simon
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 13, 2022 3:20 am

Yawn. You have eyes, you can read. From one of the most respected scientific organisations on the planet.

chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://royalsociety.org/~/media/royal_society_content/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/climate-change-evidence-causes.pdf

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Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 4:06 am

Opinion, not data and your clumsy ‘appeal to authority’ shtick isn’t going to work – either post solid data or don’t bother at all.

Simon
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 4:22 am

Oh dear….So Richard cant read. More data/facts/detailed information in there than you need.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 5:08 am

Oh dear….So Richard cant read.

Simon can’t even spell.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 5:33 am

Simon, I just read that document you suggested from the Royal Society. There are no references to scientific peer reviewed studies to support the assertions made. They say: “Detailed analyses have shown that the warming during this period is mainly a result of the increased concentrations of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. ”

With no citation and no evidence.

That’s opinion, it is not a scientific statement.

The RS have shamed themselves.

MarkW
Reply to  Jay Willis
June 13, 2022 7:24 am

It can’t even be described as scientific, since they have not demonstrated that whatever caused the previous warm periods is not causing the current warm period.

There only evidence is the climate models that have yet to be validated.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 11:50 am

Careless.. “Their only evidence”… UNLESS you meant “There, the only evidence…”

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 6:43 am

Simon, dear heart, your lovely document uses models as evidence. Just a little heads up: models aren’t real data.
Now, when you’ve found some real empirical proof of anthro CO2 driving the global climate, please show it to us. Again, we’ll wait….

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 13, 2022 7:30 am

“Complex climate models, as predictive tools for many variables and scales, cannot be meaningfully calibrated because they are simulating a never before experienced state of the system……...It is therefore inappropriate to apply any of the currently available generic techniques which utilize observations to calibrate or weight models to produce forecast probabilities for the real world. To do so is misleading to the users of climate science in wider society.

‘Confidence, uncertainty and decision-support relevance in climate decisions’ Stainforth et al. (Ironically published in Philosophical Transactions of The Royal Society)

Phil. Trans. R. Soc.A (2007) 365, 2145-2161 doi:10.1098/rsta.2007.2074

One of the other authors was Myles Allen now a lead author for the IPCC

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Dave Andrews
June 13, 2022 7:33 am

Thanks for that!

asiaseen
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:09 am

one of the most respected scientific organisations on the planet.

Was, not is.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:22 am

It’s easy to be right, when you a priori declare that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

MarkW
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 13, 2022 7:21 am

How dare you question sacred writ.
Those that Simon agrees with, and are hence qualified to be called scientists, all agree with Simon, therefore Simon must be right.

James Stagg
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 1:00 pm

Is Simon God?

Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 9:32 pm

Hey, and I see that Simon can’t even look at the actual testimony. She said that she was TOLD by Barr that her father lost the election. Quite different.

Of course, the Simons of the world don’t believe in looking at the actual testimony, or actual observations; they only consume what the “news” organizations that they favor tell them, or that the made-up models say.

Simon
Reply to  writing observer
June 13, 2022 10:46 pm

Barr in his video deposition described Trump’s claims of election fraud as “bullshit.” Ivanka Trump echoed Barr’s comments in her own video testimony.
“I respect Attorney General Barr so I accepted what he was saying,” she said to the committee.
Game set and match I’d say.
And let’s not forget Barr and Ivanka were just two of a number of Trump’s team who testified today that they told him straight … “you lost,” and still he went on to tell the world he won. The man is mad, mad I say.
It’s all here…

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Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Simon
June 12, 2022 11:06 pm

Beneath the oceans a global system of mid-ocean ridges produces an estimated 75% of the annual output of magma.
That’s not counting volcanoes, as oceans cover 70% of the Earths surface you could guess that there are roughly 2.5 times as many subocean volcanoes as on land.
All that CO2 will be out gassed.
You do the sums

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 13, 2022 1:51 am

Q1. When has anyone actually measured CO2 emissions for all volcanic processes on earth?
Q2. When has anyone actually measured CO2 emissions for all human activities on earth?

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
June 13, 2022 2:20 am

Dunno, was hoping Simon did

Derg
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 13, 2022 4:08 am

Simon isn’t that bright.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Derg
June 13, 2022 11:52 am

Yeah, but ‘Simon Says’…

whiten
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
June 13, 2022 7:59 am

The OCO2 satellites cannot ‘see’ humanCO2 emissions. As there is none.

Simon
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 13, 2022 3:23 am

Done the sums, not even close. Seriously why do you guys waste your time on this nonsense.
Plimer has said that volcanic eruptions release more carbon dioxide (CO2) than human activity; in particular that submarine volcanoes emit large amounts of CO2 and that the influence of the gases from these volcanoes on the Earth’s climate is under-represented in climate models.[48][49][50] The United States Geological Survey has calculated that human emissions of CO2 are about 130 times larger than volcanic emissions, including submarine emissions.[51][52][53] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stated that Plimer’s claim “has no factual basis.”[54] This was confirmed in a 2011 survey published in the Eos journal of the American Geophysical Union, which found that anthropogenic emissions of CO2 are 135 times larger than those from all volcanoes on Earth.[55]

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 9:31 am

Done the sums, not even close.

What was the answer in numbers and show yiur working out?

Simon
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 13, 2022 2:24 pm

1 + 1 = 2

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2022 5:20 am

So you’ve no idea, just parroting what you’ve heard?

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 4:03 am

Simon – 1815 average global temperature = 7.5C (ish). 2022 average global temperature = 13.5C (ish). Given that temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period were as warm or slightly warmer than today, I see good evidence for that 5C cooling that you are trying to discredit with no evidence to the contrary.

Simon
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 4:27 am

Given that temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period were as warm or slightly warmer than today”
Umm no it wasn’t. Certainly not globally… but you knew that.
” I see good evidence for that 5C cooling that you are trying to discredit with no evidence to the contrary.”
Because you wouldn’t know evidence if it bit you on the backside. No credible person with any idea of global temperatures would state that we have had 5C cooling in the last 1000 years. Just beyond reason and bordering on stupidity. Sorry to be the bearer of this news for you.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 4:50 am

Lol…”you wouldn’t no evidence…”

Russia colluuuusion anyone?

Simon
Reply to  Derg
June 13, 2022 2:25 pm

Dirge….

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 2:30 pm

Exactly you are a moron.

Russia colluuuusion 😉

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 5:17 am

The MWP was global, much as you try to deny it.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/11/evidence-for-a-global-medieval-warm-period/

Learn to use the search function on WUWT. It really isn’t difficult, even for a dim bulb like you.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Graemethecat
June 13, 2022 10:57 am

Also many papers here.

Google Maps MWP Papers

Climate reconstructions of the ‘Medieval Warm Period’ 1000-1200 AD. Legend: MWP was warm (red), cold (blue), dry (yellow), wet (green), no trend or unclear (grey). In case data exists for both temperature and precipitation, the temperature symbol is plotted.

For more information on the mapping project contact Sebastian Luening, luening@uni-bremen.de

Graemethecat
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
June 13, 2022 3:15 pm

Thank you, this map should scotch attempts by Alarmist dummies like Simon to deny the reality and extent of the MWP, but won’t, alas.

Simon
Reply to  Graemethecat
June 13, 2022 2:26 pm

You will forgive me for laughing. WUWT may be entertaining, but it is not a reference worth hanging you hat on (or your reputation).

Graemethecat
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 3:16 pm

Kindly point out which of these citations is false, and why.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:26 am

Once again Simon rejects any science that doesn’t support his beliefs.
There are hundreds of studies from all over the world showing the existence of both the MWP and LIA.

Graemethecat
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 7:33 am

No matter how many proxies from every corner of the Earth one shows him/her/it, Loydo will never, ever accept the reality of the MWP or the LIA.

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 8:47 am

Except that we know that the average global temperature for 1750 was 13.42C, according to climate scientists, and that the average global temperature for 1815 was 7.5C (ish), according to those same climate scientists, so why don’t you go back to them and complain that they’re not doing it right rather than bleating on at me? You can’t have it both ways Simon – either the climate scientists you revere have got it wrong or you simply have no damned clue.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 11:37 am

That is complete nonsense. Where is the evidence that the earth’s temperature changed by 6 degrees in just 60 years?

Richard Page
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 13, 2022 1:29 pm

Why on earth do you think 1816 was called the year without a summer? It was in the coldest part of the Little Ice Age and then the Mt. Tambora eruption pushed the temperatures even further down. It was a perfect storm that produced a singular extreme event that year that is still referenced over 200 years later.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:19 am

It really is amazing how these alarmists declare any fact they don’t want to believe to be a lie.

Derg
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 9:14 am

Since Simon isn’t that bright what do you expect?

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 2:27 pm

It really is amazing how many times you say “it really is amazing.”

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 5:02 pm

But it isn’t amazing that you are a moron.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
June 13, 2022 6:49 pm

Dirge…….

Derg
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:29 pm

Russia colluuuusion moron. You are so stupid you own it.

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
June 14, 2022 11:09 am

I’m not amazed by it. Disappointed, disgusted and alarmed by your ignorance and stupidity perhaps but not remotely amazed by it.

whiten
Reply to  Simon
June 13, 2022 7:50 am

In a way volcanoes do emit CO2, while humanity does not.
Human made CO2 actually is not emissive.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 13, 2022 2:31 am

Whether Plimer is correct about the temp decrease isn’t really what’s worth looking at here. Instead, it’s how thermageddonists such as yourself have gone into such a tailspin when someone dares question the Green Faith.
You’ve spotted a green heretic and set the inquisition upon him (“fact checkers”) and condemned him to purgatory (“Australian Press Council” denounciation).
If someone wrote an article stating that they believe gravity forces apples to fall sideways and not downwards, would you even bother commenting on such a proposition? However, if someone disagrees with your Green mania you let slip the dogs of thermageddonist war upon them.
You must have very little of your own faith in the hypothesis that anthro CO2 drives the global climate that you get so worked up when someone questions your evidence free hypothesis. Are you worried that people are going to realise your emperor has no clothes?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 13, 2022 11:44 am

Andrew,
where is the evidence that I got “worked up”? All I did was suggest that he was misquoted. Similarly if a retired scientist gave an interview to the press suggesting that gravity makes objects move sideways you would also think that the reporter got it wrong.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 14, 2022 7:05 am

Take it from me, you’re definitely worked up. Otherwise you wouldn’t be on this discussion thread.

Richard Page
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 13, 2022 3:58 am

In 1815, during the year without a summer, the average global temperature was 6C below our current average global temperature. I would say he was about right on the money there – and that is within a quarter of the stated 1,000 years you mentioned.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
June 13, 2022 7:18 am

Change the time frame to 10,000 years and 5 degrees of cooling is quite possible.
Over the last 1,000 years it’s more like 0.5 degrees of cooling.

whiten
Reply to  MarkW
June 13, 2022 8:05 am

Actually in the last 7.5K years there has being only ~1C cooling,
while it should have being something like 5-7C cooling, according to paeloclimate data projections.
Something really wrong there. 🙂

cheers

Richard Page
Reply to  whiten
June 13, 2022 8:50 am

Given the temperature fluctuations within that 1,000 years, +/- 5C is perfectly reasonable and normal.

whiten
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 12:31 pm

According to what?

There, as I said is no more than 1C cooling in the last 7,500 years to be considered,
and no any fluctuation during this long time period, withinin any shorter periods, periods of centuries long, makes it above the 0.4C.

LIA consists as a centuries long climatic event, with only a 0.3-0.4C cooling.

Large fluctuations as 5C or more, in long term like thousands of years long,
persist only in the paleoclimate data prior to Holocene…
Making the climatic full fluctuation projected at 8-12C…officially per the climatology…
where and when most of it happening within the interglacial periods… somewhere at 5-7C.

The GCMs project climate at only 3C fluctuation.

cheers

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Richard Page
Reply to  whiten
June 13, 2022 1:38 pm

“LIA consists as (of?) a centuries long climactic event, with only a 0.3-0.4C cooling’. Really? According to what? The information I used in my posts was from climate scientists, quite a few of whom don’t buy into the ‘hockey schtick club’ of ironing out previous temperatures and find that there is considerably more variation in temperatures than the ‘Friends of Mikey Mann society’ would like. +/- 5C variation in temperatures really isn’t all that abnormal, especially when you factor in the cooling from Tambora.

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whiten
Reply to  Richard Page
June 13, 2022 4:04 pm

Ok, Richard.

At the very least, we can agree that at least one of us is very much misinformed, I think.
Not both of us can be correct abut what we discussing.

cheers

n.n
June 12, 2022 7:01 pm

The ‘G’reen “ethical” religion, which may be green (i.e. naive), operates on the principle of redistributive, renewable greenbacks, but is less than green in environmental and ecological practices.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  n.n
June 13, 2022 2:36 am

“is less than green in environmental and ecological practices”
Very true.

Bob
June 12, 2022 7:18 pm

Call me crazy, I don’t look to spiritual leaders for scientific clarification. The archbishop of course is right to point out clear scientific thinking. Just the same I wouldn’t seek spiritual guidance Dr. Lindzen.

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Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Bob
June 12, 2022 7:58 pm

The Pontiff has no clothes. Someone should tell him he’s way over his skis.

whiten
Reply to  Bob
June 13, 2022 8:07 am

But then, there is not only you in this Earth… init!

Andre Lauzon
June 12, 2022 7:56 pm

I wish the Pope would stop using the IPCC as his source to claim a climate change climate exists. I’m sure he means well but a bit more research may direct him to a better path to follow. If he is a Pope for the poor as he claims to be he should look at the problems caused by the green “reset’, not only in Africa and South America but also in Europe and North America.

roaddog
Reply to  Andre Lauzon
June 12, 2022 11:03 pm

This Pope is a disaster. Period, end of story.

H.R.
Reply to  roaddog
June 13, 2022 7:03 am

There was an old rhetorical question used a s a cute way to give a ‘yes’ answer; “Is the pope Catholic?”

It’s no longer a rhetorical question given the current pope.

Ron
Reply to  Andre Lauzon
June 13, 2022 2:27 am

the roughly 3 billion poor, who lack access to adequate energy supplies are probably more concerned on a daily basis, with access to clean water, food, hygiene and shelter than they are about their CARBON FOOTPRINT.

Alexy Scherbakoff
June 12, 2022 8:23 pm

The article was also found to have breached standards by the Australian Press Council.
Hilarious. Are they going to be ruling about virgin births, coming back from the dead and various other dubious religious things?

n.n
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 12, 2022 9:39 pm

In Stork They Trust to deliver the virgin child at the time of convenience, congruence, or profit. Millions, globally, annually are sacrificed in nominally “secular” rites for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes. Here’s to an “ethical” religion and [unqualified] progress: one step forward, two steps backward.

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davidmhoffer
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 12, 2022 9:39 pm

One can only wonder if “go forth upon the face of the earth and multiply” has also been rescinded?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  davidmhoffer
June 12, 2022 9:44 pm

No. Every sperm is precious.

n.n
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 12, 2022 9:46 pm

No, every carbon atom is precious, whether it is part of an evolutionary process (e.g. conception of human life), or not.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 13, 2022 2:39 am

As long as you agree that our CO2 emissions are taking us to hell in a handcart, you could claim the moon is made from pink cheese and the thermageddonist scientists would turn a blind eye.

June 12, 2022 10:49 pm

How Was This Missed By Watts Up With That?

Huge victory for scientific truth, and empirical proof for scientific fraud…

The revised Second Law of Thermodynamics, where ‘back radiation’ (the foundation upon which ‘climate change’ stands) is present in the Earth’s Energy Budget…

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/langley/what-is-earth-s-energy-budget-five-questions-with-a-guy-who-knows

But missing is the ‘back radiation’ on the left side of the graph for the incoming radiation (77.1 Wm2) that’s directly absorbed by the atmosphere. Opps!

NASA’s earlier graph of the ‘Earth’s Energy Budget’ affirms the Second Law of Thermodynamics by omitting ‘back radiation’…

https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/62319main_ICS_Energy.pdf

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dean M Jackson
June 13, 2022 3:58 am

Cut and Paste. I think this is about the third time I have seen this same post in three different articles.

Running out of things to say?

Richard Page
Reply to  Dean M Jackson
June 13, 2022 4:08 am

F#@! Hugh Victory!

MarkW
Reply to  Dean M Jackson
June 13, 2022 7:30 am

Are you going to spam every article with this nonsense.
This behavior got you banned under a different name.

J.R.
June 12, 2022 10:50 pm

The words “Oh come all ye faithful” keep going through my head, but I’m picturing the pope beckoning his flock to the Church of Climate Change.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  J.R.
June 12, 2022 11:10 pm

Don’t you just hate indoctrination/brainwashing? I was brought up in the Russian Orthodox faith (in Russian), I have never been to an English-speaking church, but I know the next line of that verse. I obviously learned it somewhere in some insidious fashion. I am an atheist now and have been for most of my life. Still can’t get that sh!t out of my head even though I’m an unbeliever.

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Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 13, 2022 9:55 pm

If you’ve been in an English speaking country, that is a very popular Christmas hymn. Calling the faithful to Bethlehem to celebrate the birth of the Savior.

(An agnostic myself – but that doesn’t mean that I cannot respect the faithful.)

Coeur de Lion
June 12, 2022 10:55 pm

The synod of the Church of England said it would disinvest their pension fund from fossil fuels unless firms conformed to the Paris Agreement (which has no instructions for ff coys). Now that ff share prices have rocketed upward, I wonder if they did?

Jack
June 12, 2022 11:51 pm

The Pope has no other infallibility than in the Faith and Morals issues. The Pope’s main duty he was elected for is to save souls, not to save the planet.
He has written (or rather someone else has written) his encyclical “Laudato Si” under the influence of Jeffrey Sachs and Hans Schellnhuber, two climate activists, non catholic members of his advising panel for the environmental issues. Another great scientist was scheduled together with them in this panel, a catholic french mathematician, Pr Philippe de Larminat who is (gasp!)…. a climate skeptical (he has written “Climate Change: “Identification and Projections”). Once Sachs and Schellnhuber learnt they would attend the first meeting with him, they pressured the Pope to disinvite him immediately. And so he did, in a very impolite way.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Jack
June 13, 2022 1:11 am

There was no space for him in the inn

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 13, 2022 12:04 pm

Great line! Thanks.

ozspeaksup
June 13, 2022 2:13 am

prof Plimer would actually have a very GOOD grasp of climate past as his field was geology, after all. his Heaven and earth book was brilliant, i got my library to purchase it to try and get some decent science available for the towns kids n others

June 13, 2022 3:13 am

The Climate Cult clearly is a religion.

whiten
Reply to  Mike Haseler (aka Scottish Sceptic)
June 13, 2022 8:14 am

The Climate religion, is clearly Cult.
🙂

Duane
June 13, 2022 6:06 am

One does not have to claim superior status by blaming child labor in developing nations on EVs – which is both dumb and scurilous – to be righteous in pointing to warminism as the new religion of the left.

Uhhh, cobalt has been mined for thousands of years, 98% of it being produced as a by-product of copper and nickel mining and production. Cobalt is used in an extremely wide variety of commercial products and industrial processes having exactly zero to do with EVs.

Everything from steel alloys such as those used in virtually all jet engines and rocket motors since their invention in the 1930s, to all electronics – so everybody at WUTW needs to get off the false guilt bandwagon, since the entire basis of all human everything is now electronic,. Also cobalt is an integral component of inks and pigments, and to catalysts used in many petrochemical industries, to manufacture of very hard cutting tools (one of the biggest tool manufacturers in the world named itself “Kobalt”!).

So spare us the crocodile tears about cobalt production and little kids. I suppose that all of the crocodile-tear shedders have refused to buy diamonds because they are mostly produced in poor third world countries, right? And that you refuse to buy just about any consumer products made and sold today because they are largely sourced by China who imprisons millions of their own people?

The criticism of religious leaders taking exception to warmunism as religion is because that notion strikes at the very heart of warmunism – it’s phenonemon as a faux religion. That is what is relevent, not crocodile tears over little kids in Africa.

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Bryan A
Reply to  Duane
June 13, 2022 6:36 am

BUT…
Cobalt is mined in Africa by Children (forced?) As the main source … YES/NO?
Cobalt IS required for EV battery production … YES/NO?
Banning Fossil Fuel requires ALL existing (1.2 baillion plus) ICE to be replaced by EV … YES/NO?
All New Vehicles (cars, trucks, busses, taxis, boats, planes, jets, trains) also need to be EV … YES/NO?
To achieve this in the current “Net Zero” time frame Copper mining will need to be vastly increased (minimum 20 times current levels and likely 100 times) … YES/NO?

Warring against Coal, Oil and Gas production (drilling & mining) to “shut them down” and “leave it in the ground” will not only eliminate gasoline and diesel fuels but will also eliminate the steel and silicon needed to create the Solar PV infrastructure as well as the lightweight composite components (blades) of wind turbines. Also eliminated will be the more than 6000 other items produced from petrochemical stocks like Asphalt Roads, Synthetic Rubber Tires, ink, make-up etc… YES/NO????

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Bryan A
June 13, 2022 7:59 am

The IEA have recently published their Global EV outlook 2022 ‘Securing supplies for an electric future’

They look at two scenarios for 2030 . The Stated Policies Scenario (SPS) under which they expect 200m EVs worldwide by 2030 and the Announced Pledges Scenario (APS) with over 250m EVs by 2030.

(Note they have their own ‘scenario’ for Net Zero by 2050 in which they say there needs to be over 350m EVs worldwide by 2030. This figure has been revised down wards from the 400m they said last year)

Under the SPS there will need to be 30 new lithium mines, 41 new nickel mines and 11 new cobalt mines. Total 82 new mines.

Under the APS the respective numbers are 50 lithium, 60 nickel and 17 cobalt. Total 127 new mines.

It goes without saying that their own net zero estimates would require even more mines

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Dave Andrews
Reply to  Dave Andrews
June 13, 2022 8:20 am

Note the IEA themselves have said in the past that it takes up to 16 years to bring a new mine on stream but they are quiet about that in this report.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
June 13, 2022 9:58 pm

Which goal is not even a third of the current number of ICE vehicles in the world. Of course, the peasants shouldn’t want to go anywhere else than their own little village – that tends to lead to dangerous notions (about the nobility, that is).

ResourceGuy
June 13, 2022 8:23 am
ResourceGuy
June 13, 2022 11:30 am
Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 13, 2022 1:45 pm

Give someone that amount of power over people, whether spiritual or not, and some will always abuse the trust placed in them.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 13, 2022 10:00 pm

Terrible, just terrible. Now, how many school teachers abused minors in that same region? How many “child welfare” bureaucrats abused minors in that same region? I surmise that the numbers there would be MUCH higher.

ResourceGuy
June 13, 2022 12:36 pm

Have any religious groups come out against the use of slave-made solar panel components? Just wondered.

See no evil, hear no evil

shoehorn
June 13, 2022 5:50 pm

And Heaven forbid that Catholics would pay heed to Psalm 8, and it’s clue about where to find the goodies:
‘what is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:’

Richard Page
Reply to  shoehorn
June 14, 2022 11:13 am

6 Except for trees – some of them buggers is yuuge!

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