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Economic Chaos Is GOOD?!
Climate Depot’s Marc Morano: The New York Times seems bent on updating Gordon Gekko’s phrase from the 1987 film Wall Street: Chaos, for lack of a better word, is GOOD.
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Culture & lifestyle journalist Annaliese Griffin writing in the New York Times: “Inflation has the potential to drive welcome change for the planet if Americans think differently about the way they eat…We could adjust what we eat to save both our pocketbooks and our planet.”
“Climate change has motivated some to eat less resource-intensive meat and more vegetables, grains and legumes, but this movement has not reached the scale necessary to bring needed change — yet…A 2021 study in Nature found that animal products produce greenhouse gases at twice the rate of foods from plants. We should be paying attention to every ton of carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere — the same way shoppers are watching the cost of every addition to their grocery carts.” …
“Inflation resulting from the cost of fuel and feed, coupled with supply chain slowdowns, may make meat substitutes more affordable relative to traditional, factory-farmed meats. … Historically, cost has been a powerful force that has changed Americans’ diets.”
By: Marc Morano
the @nytimes forgot that dying of starvation also reduces your carbon footprint. https://t.co/V8qiKRkJOh
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) June 5, 2022
Culture & lifestyle journalist Annaliese Griffin writing in the New York Times:
Annaliese Griffin NYT Excerpt: If the current rate of food inflation holds and Americans don’t change their meat consumption habits, they will spend roughly $20 billion more on meat, poultry, fish and eggs over the next year than they did in 2020. … Inflation has the potential to drive welcome change for the planet if Americans think differently about the way they eat. While hunger and food insecurity are a very real problem in the United States and globally, middle- and upper-class Americans still have more choices at the grocery store than perhaps any food shoppers in history. Climate change has motivated some to eat less resource-intensive meat and more vegetables, grains and legumes, but this movement has not reached the scale necessary to bring needed change — yet.
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A 2021 study in Nature found that animal products produce greenhouse gases at twice the rate of foods from plants. We should be paying attention to every ton of carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere — the same way shoppers are watching the cost of every addition to their grocery carts. …
One recent survey of 3,500 consumers found that while environmental concerns and animal rights would not persuade many shoppers to purchase meat substitutes more often, lower prices could.
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Inflation resulting from the cost of fuel and feed, coupled with supply chain slowdowns, may make meat substitutes more affordable relative to traditional, factory-farmed meats. … Historically, cost has been a powerful force that has changed Americans’ diets. Yes, people in most cultures tend to eat more meat as they grow richer. But tighter budgets have also driven reductions in meat consumption.
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In 1917, months after the country entered World War I, Congress passed the Lever Food and Fuel Control Act, which granted the government sweeping power over the food supply. Helen Zoe Veit, a professor of history at Michigan State University, quotes a contemporary critic who called it the “most radical” bill ever enacted by Congress in her book “Modern Food, Moral Food.” The Lever Act allowed the government to requisition food and prevent hoarding. It also created the Food Administration, headed by Herbert Hoover, more than a decade away from his presidency, who asked Americans to commit to one wheatless and one meatless meal each day, plus a wheatless Monday, a meatless Tuesday and a porkless Saturday (the pleasant alliteration of “Meatless Monday” evidently hadn’t occurred to him).
The Lever Act came at a time when the cost of living, including food prices, had risen significantly, by about a third from 1897 to 1916. Americans might have balked at Hoover’s top-down management — he was sometimes called the “food dictator” — but they were, by and large, swayed to join the cause, not least because they were already well versed in practicing the art of thrift when it came to food. Dr. Veit points to recipe books from the era that promoted egg-free cakes and meatless casseroles as a way to save money. There was “huge cultural buy-in to the idea that collectively, we could make small sacrifices — which is how people saw giving up meat — and we’d make the sacrifices in the name of a greater good and get something done,” Dr. Veit told me.
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There is an inherent conflict in asking people to change their most personal habits because of climate change when government policy puts few restraints on polluting industries like oil, gas, coal and automobiles. Still, the answer isn’t either-or; it’s both-and. Rising prices for all kinds of consumer goods are exerting pressure on Americans, but our food spending can be modified more easily than what we pay at the gas pump. We do not have to become, overnight, a nation of vegetarians and vegans, but we could adjust what we eat to save both our pocketbooks and our planet.
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Annaliese Griffin (@annalieseg) is a journalist who covers culture, lifestyle and health.
Not surprising they’d say this, as inflation has no effect on the billionaire owners of the New York Times.
Woodrow WiIson – worst, most dangerous man ever to hold that office.
After FDR, Lincoln, and now.
They did a trial run on the whole, government owns the food supply, thing with baby formula. Could use a few adjustments to the system.
Yet more journalists who are ignorant of history (and a great deal more).
Even in the post was period of less than 80 years there have been cases of inflation becoming hyper-inflation.
Hungary 1945/46 Prices doubled every: 15 hoursZimbabwe 2007/8 Prices doubled every: 25 hoursYugoslavia 1992/94 Prices doubled every: 34 hours
Greece 1941/45 (pushing the post war a bit!) Prices doubled every: 4 days, 6 hours
China 1947/9 Prices doubled every: 5 days, 8 hours
Anyone who thinks inflation with the potential for going into hyperinflation is a good thing has a serious problem and never met anyone who has experienced high inflation.
F these vile urban parasites. We would be far better off without them.
“Chaos, for lack of a better word, is GOOD.”
Boris Johnson is facing a vote of confidence…
But don’t worry, even if he loses we’ll be sticking to net zero
Let’s see the alternate version of the same inflation message with a GOP administration. I’m sure it’s vastly different. Also note the assist given any Dem Administration when needed.
NYT is in damage control mode for the master.
If there was ever any doubt that poverty is their goal for the majority of mankind, this article removes that doubt.
The climate is now milder and more accommodating to human life than it has been since the Little Ice Age; but the illusionists insist we live in fear and deprivation. “Let no crisis go to waste. If there isn’t a crisis, fabricate one.”- The Abridged Rahm Emanuel
Hi, I know this comment has nothing to do with this post and for that I do apologize but I don’t know where else to go. I tried commenting on a different post and the responses I got weren’t what I was hoping for. I’ll admit I’m not an intelligent person, especially when it comes to math and science. I definitely don’t know what side of the fence I’m on when it comes to climate change. I apologize in advance for all of this but I truly suffer a lot from depression and anxiety. Climate change is on my mind constantly. I live in San Antonio, TX, it’s only the beginning of June and we’re already in the triple digits and will be every day in the forseeable future which to me seems too hot too early for this time of year. Even our local weather reports keep saying it’s unseasonably hot, it was the same for May. When our normal average for that time of year is in the mid 80s we were in the mid to high 90s almost the whole month and when we normally get triple digits in late July and in August here it is only the beginning of June. I know it sounds like I’m alarming but I promise I’m not. I’m just hoping someone can please provide a good scientific debunking that shows this has nothing to do with alarmist warming. I assure you I’m all ears and am honestly willing to listen. My biggest worry, really what started all of my anxiety when it comes to this is the claims made by Guy Mcpherson, about how because of positive feedback loops and methane that’s going to release that in just a few years it’s going to cause temperatures to rise so high that it’s going to cause human extinction. I wish I didn’t worry about this but there are others who agree and say that he’s spot on with all of this. I’m so sorry for all of this but I don’t know what else to do. I’m coming here for help and am hoping someone can give a good scientific debunking for the claims made by Guy Mcpherson and give a good scientific explanation as to why it’s so hot this early that has nothing to do with global warming. Please? I’m not trying to cause any inconvenience and I’m so truly sorry if it seems that way. I’m trying to be positive and not alarming. I just don’t understand this stuff and I’m scared. So I’m genuinely asking. Please.
I live in South Dakota and this has been one of the coldest, wettest springs that I can ever remember and I’m 76 year old and lived here all my life. So whenever you see warm air in one spot, you can rest assured that there is cold air somewhere else. One reason for the warm air in the south could be that this cold air is firmly entrenched and hard to move. Usually the warm air works it’s way north and moderates as it does. This year the cold air isn’t moving and is bottling up the warm air in the south.
Wow, Do your own work much?
“I’ll admit I’m not an intelligent person, especially when it comes to math and science.”
No useful science background, no ability to weigh conflicting claims. Well, we have to go with it.
Worried about this fellow, Guy Mcpherson?
A 10 second internet search gives us this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson
Wikipedia no less.
The short take:
“He has made a number of future predictions that he thought were likely to occur. In 2007, he predicted that due to peak oil there would be permanent blackouts in cities starting in 2012. In 2012, he predicted the “likely” extinction of humanity by 2030 due to climate-change, and mass die-off by 2020 “for those living in the interior of a large continent”. In 2018, he was quoted as saying “Specifically, I predict that there will be no humans on Earth by 2026”, which he based on “projections” of climate-change and species loss.”
Humanity wiped out by 2026, a whole slew of super alarmist prediction, *all* of which have failed.
Need any more of this????
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to offend.I was just looking for answers outside of what I’ve found online. I was just hoping someone here could give or show their own scientific debunking explanation. I just thought it might help is all. If that’s still possible I would greatly appreciate it, I honestly just came here for help.
I’ve commented above. For your information I am an academic physician and not a climatologist but my career is entirely linked to scientific investigation and debate. I have 19 years experience in the realm of energy/climate/policy research and reading done on my own time. That doesn’t make me an expert – just informed, and you should not believe what I or anyone else says on a topic that is important to you but rather should look to the evidence if you can. My note above just suggests some questions you need to ask and answer before you assume a single event is part of a trend or something you can use to predict the future. Also you should always assume when someone is predicting the future that they are, in some way, wrong, and the art is to determine how much and in what way they are likely to be wrong, with the ultimate answer only available once the prediction matures (when the prediction is supposed to become reality). I hope this helps.
There are various different 60 year cycles in colder and warmer, wetter and drier, there may be 100 year cycles, there are 1000 year cycles, there may be cycles between 100 and 1000 years. As there are multiple cycles, the absolute effect at any given time depends upon how two or more cycles interact: two peaking at one time means more heat or more cold, two way out of synch moderates both.
There are many records of previous hot and cold periods that set records not being seen today, previous stormy events that were more extreme, more volcanoes or earthquakes, or any other natural event you might think up. This site likes to present many (many) examples from published reports of (relatively recent) past time though without much attempt to analyze or relate them to any full picture.
https://realclimatescience.com/
Spend a little time there reading about the many extreme records in historical publications, then maybe learn a little about geological time periods. Most people who actually want to understand anything need to spend some time on all aspects of the subject, not look for a few cuddly talking points.
Hi Bobby, if I were you I’d start by watching some of these videos by Dr Richard Lindzen one of the worlds leading atmospheric physicists.
http://ccdedu.blogspot.com/2019/05/videos-by-richard-lindzen.html
Then look at the record of another highly esteemed nitwit author: Paul R. Ehrlich.
Troll alert. Do not feed the moron. Not even soy milk.
I’m truly sorry. I definitely didn’t mean to come off as a troll. I’m honestly not trying to upset anyone or cause any sort of negativity, I’m just desperately looking for answers that will help ease my anxiety with this.
Start at the bottom and work your way up.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/below350-org/
You say “the claims made by Guy Mcpherson” then ask here for scientific debunking – have you applied the same criteria to his claims? What is the science behind his claims? What is the data to support them?
Listening to doomsayers and panic-mongers doesn’t help with anxiety, so start there. Read through this site – there’s lots of articles addressing stuff like this. And check out the Goddard link you’ve been given.
Your desperate anxiety is touching. But just in case you’re not popping your plea into every thread for silliness sake, I suggest you purchase and study Climate At A Glance. You’ll find the link to that fine book, written just for you, at the bottom of the comment section on every post.
I promise none of this is for silliness sake, in now way am I a troll. I mean absolutely no disrespect here, I promise. I’ll look into that book, thank you.
Mr. K: I’m a couple days late, but if you are still reading, two things: 1) At the top of the page is a resource for you called “EverythingClimate”. Try that. 2) Forgive us for suspecting that you are a troll, but the site has a few “concern” trolls. You seem to anticipate mistreatment, maybe you know how a “concern” troll works. For future reference, you should not profess ignorance repeatedly, the science guys here will tell you to do your own homework. In some settings, that “please help me, I’m ignorant” might work, but it won’t work here because many of the commenters here were once ignorant, and they read before asking questions. They know how you can solve your ignorance.
First off, one year does not make a trend.
Secondly, read up on the subject. I know that some activists are claiming that methane is soon going to be released and it’s going to kill us all.
On the other hand they have been claiming that methane is going to be released soon for over 30 years.
Also, check out the absorption spectra of methane. You will see that between most of it’s bands being already almost saturated, as well as it’s overlap with water, even huge increases in methane cannot possibly have much impact on how much heat is being retained.
You have effectively demonstrated the entire shoddy foundation of the global warming scam. You experience an “unseasonably warm” period of weather and begin immediately to worry about an unlivable future climate. Your first questions should have been has this happened before? (the answer is yes), is there a trend in a dangerous direction? (no, temperatures have shown modest warming then cooling, then warming but none of the disastrous outcomes predicted by the global warming advocates have happened and virtually every prediction they made that we can test by objective evidence has failed), if there is warming is it a bad thing or a good thing? (so far all of the outcomes linked to mild warming and the rising atmospheric CO2 are beneficial), are the predicted dangerous feedbacks happening? (no, no-one has detected the water vapor feedback that was predicted). Going from an unusually hot day to a fear of global warming is no different from fearing ghosts and alien invasion based on supermarket tabloids.
Pretty easy if it looks like a snake oil salesman and talks like a snake oil salesman … well it’s probably a snake oil salesman.
Even most not smart people have bullsh$t detectors.
I grew up in San Antonio and have lived there 75% of my life. I am currently 67. I remember years where it was so wet the ground squished in June as you walked across the yard (1987) and other years where it flooded so much that the Frio river which normally runs about 125 – 250 cfm was at 50,000 cfm. (Went tubing at 1,000 cfm, what an experience).
I also remember very hot springs and being this hot in late May and early June. This year is nothing unusual. In fact, if you think about regression to the mean, the last few years the Spring and early Summer has been unseasonably low. This year is it unseasonably high.
No big deal.
F*** those people.
Ms. Griffin wrote: “A 2021 study in Nature found that animal products produce greenhouse gases at twice the rate of foods from plants. We should be paying attention to every ton of carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere…”
And here I thought that animals produce methane, not carbon dioxide. Who knew?
Is this a call for boycotting the high-cost health food stores?
Speaking of “health food,” Whole Foods should just shut down. I tried shopping there one day because it was the closest “grocery store” to the hospital where my wife was an in-patient. There is no ordinary food anywhere in the store, just a bunch of over-priced pseudo-food in small containers from unheard-of companies. After walking several aisles finding nothing on my shopping list, I just shoved the cart aside and walked out the door. Let the pampered rich pay too much for too little.
Everyone else needs to eat, and inflation is making that difficult for many. Any fool such as columnist Annalise who can’t see that is either stupid or a hapless tool of the elites trying to overthrow our nation.
Just about any reason is a good one to skipp the health food stores. Not only are they “pushers” 3/4 of what they have is over-priced and not any better than the grocery store.
The Alarmists are now so emboldened, they believe they can tell the ‘little’ people to be unhappy and hungry because we the Alarmists know what is good for you and you ‘little’ people are too thick to know when you are being given helpful instructions.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy” Now be told, we the WEF are never wrong……
One more reason for not reading the NYT.
“ “Inflation has the potential to drive welcome change for the planet if Americans think differently about the way they eat”
What happens when that change means not eating at all because you can’t afford the food?
Is starvation or malnourished children considered to be part of the “welcome” change?
Oh, how lovely.
Another urban elitist condescendingly and gleefully deciding what less well off people can eat or not eat.
Cut “Culture & lifestyle journalist Annaliese Griffin’s” pay to farm wages, and send her out to work physically on a real farm.
After a year or so, check if she changes her inflation is good for climate change tune?
Yep, they did that in China, big time.
This is insane. Pretending that inflation is good because a few rich people may change their eating habits has to be one of the most heartless things I have read. So if rich people are forced to eat a little less meat due to inflation what are poor people going to eat a little less of? Inflation affects us all not just rich people. Poor people are hurt far more by inflation. This person is a heartless, hateful moron.
This writer is either ignorant or a shallow thinker. The US is a big exporter of food. When inflation pushes wheat and corn prices up, people in other countries suffer starvation. We may have options, but they don’t.
fresh fruit/vegatables cost more than canned stuff and junk food costs less than all of it.
but yeah….here’s hoping no money will cause people to eat less meat.
idiotic.
Journalism in most cases has become the daycare center for brain-lazy imbeciles who think their farts smell like roses and their thoughts are transcendent.
I am guessing this illustrious NY Slimes journalist has no idea of the sorts of things that happen in third world countries when people don’t have enough to eat. I wonder if she has ever heard of bushmeat? People in parts of Africa go out and kill wild animals, birds and other creatures in order to get some protein. They don’t care whether the animal in question is protected or in season because they are just trying to survive. And to cook the meat they will denude forests for firewood.
If this dim bulb of a woman doesn’t think that this could (has, and does) happen in the US she is sadly mistaken.
My mom told me stories of my grandmother trapping rabbits for food when my mom was a child. That was after the depression, but my grandparents lived thru it and did everything they could to make do.
My husband told me about his grandfather who was so poor that he mounted some kind of iron bumper onto his pickup truck grille and would go out driving rural roads at night to hit deer on purpose in order to provide food for his family. It didn’t matter whether they were in season or what the bag limit was.
As more people get poorer, many will look to other sources of protein outside of the grocery store.
A nation of many very poor people is absolutely bad for the environment and the animals and plants that live in it!
“As more people get poorer, many will look to other sources of protein outside of the grocery store”
Lot’s of people already do. Around here is difficult to find a meat packer to handle the deer you kill because of the demand!
“Inflation has the potential to drive Americans to open revolt!” There, fixed it.
“Chaos is a ladder”
Littlefinger, Game of Thrones.
Well – it worked out well for him. (Not)
Sheer madness.
Past food controls were mainly to combat crooks and immoral profiteers.
No administration should try to change food patterns with the excuse we that it is for a matter al good like CO2 reduction. The end of CO2 mania is in sight.
The NYT author needs to brush up on private versus public freedoms, then start to learn how proper science works. Hint: It is not like a fashion parade for new dresses. Geoff S